Alderson: Mets Would Be Logical Landing Spot For Stephen Drew

Stephen Drew

10:30 AM

Quick update to this via MetsBlog:

The Mets would be a logical landing spot for free-agent SS Stephen Drew, Sandy Alderson told MLB Network on Wednesday. However, he added, Drew and his agent, Scott Boras, are imploring a strategy that may keep him on the open market until June. “In light of what Nelson Cruz got, they might want to reconsider,” Alderson concluded.

Adam Rubin also posted some quotes:

“Look, we have probably 30 front office and coaching staff down here. There’s going to be a stray comment about players from time to time,” Alderson told MLB Network. “That’s unfortunately the nature of the media in New York. It’s so pervasive that comments like that are going to be gleaned from time to time.

“We were happy with what Ruben did in the offseason. We’re hopeful that he’ll show significant improvement on the field — back to the levels he has demonstrated, so it’s not an unrealistic hope. But we continue to look at our middle-infield situation.”

“From our standpoint, look, it does appear that we would be a logical landing spot for someone like Stephen Drew. But, at the same time, we have to make our own, independent evaluation and cost-benefit computation and act accordingly, which is what we have done.”

1:00 AM

The Mets again denied reports that they had made an offer to free agent shortstop Stephen Drew on Tuesday, but the door to conversations with his representatives is still open reports Kristie Ackert of the Daily News.

A team source said that the Mets would be open to signing the qualified free agent if his price came down “significantly below the $14.1 million qualifying offer” he turned down from the Red Sox.

The Mets reportedly made Drew a $9.5 million offer which was quickly turned down.

One team source told Ackert that the Mets are fully prepared to “move forward with Ruben Tejada.

On Sunday, agent Scott Boras told Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that the free agent shortstop could sit out until after the First Year Player Draft in June.

“A road map for this strategy has been figured out,” said Boras who also contends that there are four teams still interested in Drew including the Red Sox and Mets.

Where the Mets are concerned, if Drew were to sit out until June, would it behoove them to continue to pursue him or simply just wait four more months when a better class of free agents becomes available?

Would it be wiser to then see how Ruben Tejada continues to perform while also keeping a close eye on how some of their top shortstop prospects develop?

Should we give a trimmed down and more agile Wilmer Flores every chance to win the job at short this Spring?

Or do they give Seattle the top pitching prospect they want in exchange for Nick Franklin?

What about making a play for Chris Owings of the D-Backs?

Lots of questions, but no easy answers…

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  • BigAl831

    With the amount of articles, rumors, and times I’ve heard Drew’s name mentioned this offseason in connection with the Mets, you’d think we’d be going after Honus Wagner in his prime. It’s Stephen Drew people. Let’s relax. I’d be glad to have him but won’t lose a minute of sleep if we don’t.

  • Notpoliticalyet

    I would see how Tejada does and also see if Flores does ok if asked to play SS. They are not a team looking to win this season and getting Drew doesn’t seem to be an X factor on whether they contend or not, $9.1 mil is nothing to sneeze at and if he doesnt want it then move on. Obviously nobody else has taken him off the market yet. He is a good player but is not worth $14 mil a year.

  • Pike Miazza

    I think hes only worth about 35% of the hype…
    Pass on him already..

  • Joey D.

    Drew is a good player and I’m sure there are teams including the Mets that wouldn’t think twice of signing him but perhaps Boras has badly misjudged the market for his client’s services. Would love to know what offers were made by whom in the past which Drew turned down and if those same teams are now replacing them with those less lucrative.

    This is way over the heads of most of us but it seems there is no bidding war for his services going on at this point.

  • DrDooby

    Stephen Drew would clearly be an upgrade. 2-years, 22 million – sure.

    But if Drew still views himself as a top 5 in the majors SS and expects at least 3+ years, 40+ million and maybe an opt-out after year 1, no way.

    And if Tejada is the backup SS, that’s clearly better than Quintanilla as the backup SS.

    Drew instead of Tejada won’t turn the Mets into legit playoff contenders in 2014. The only way that happens is if the young pitching breaks out in a big way in 2014. In that case, the couple of extra wins Drew figures to provide over Tejada could certainly make a difference.

  • Martin

    Agreed. Same logic has always applied. Offer him one year and if he doesn’t like it, so be it. No negotiations necessary.

  • Hotstreak

    DrDooby: Usually you have longer posts. This by far is your best post, short and definitively to the point.

  • I get the feeling this is all Boras and his peoples doing. They are desperately trying to drum up interest in their client as he is getting very antsy about sitting out and not playing. I don’t care what kind of facilities he provides for his clients. It is not the same as facing live pitching or, game conditions. If Drew sits out till June he will need time in the minors to get ready. If not he will have rust and he is not a great hitter. He will not be able to walk in and start, he needs a spring training. His asking price is ridiculous. His skills do not equate to the money he is asking for. I prefer a competition between Tejada & Flores. I will say it one more time, Drew is not worth the money he is asking nor, the type of contract he is asking for with all the outs etc. He seems like a nuisance already, we know his agent is. We know as soon as he can opt out he will and that is also not worth giving up a draft pick.

  • Also this Front office is so poorly run it is disgusting. There are already rumbles about Tejada and Spring Training has just begun. No games have been played and we have not gotten a look at Tejada. Just a few weeks ago they were raving about his renewed work ethic, his new body, how much hard work he has put in and his work at the Mets fat camp. Now all of a sudden after a week of spring training he is a bum. WTF is that all about? Seriously once again this FO is bashing its own players. I mean Justin Turner was widely liked, they let him go and some source says they FO didn’t like him for some BS reason or another. The Mets front Office is like a group of catty high school kids. So unprofessional and self destructive. I hope they do trade Ike after all the crap they have said about him. He will land somewhere hit .285 with 40Hr’s and 120 rbi. They will bash him and he will say Told ya so. Meanwhile Our terrible FO, our horrible manager TC will continue to love Duda who will bat .235 12hr and be a scrub. They will have Flores at AAA batting over .300 with 20hrs and 125rbi..

    Also we will have Chris Young in Center batting 215 with 10hrs and Lagares battting over .300 in the minors after his exposure to MLB pitchers with 8hrs saving runs down there and maybe 15 steals.. In left we will have EY batting .247 1hr 50SB with an OBP of 305.. Meanwhile Puello hits .300 with 25hr in AAA.. Lets just hope Granderson feels he has something to prove and hits .270 with 35hrs.. If not David Wright has a nervous breakdown next offseason.

  • trevordunn

    a dead body at SS is an upgrade over tejada

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Tejada would be a perfect backup at SS, and probably at 2B and even 3B as well. Plus he’ll keep Drew fresh and should definitely get AB’s vs. LHP.

    Agreed. I don’t want Quintanilla anywhere near the Mets’ roster. And while we’re at it, I hope Terry Collins and the Mets are smart enough to realize:

    -Mejia should be in the rotation
    -Eric Young is backup player
    -Juan Lagares should play centerfield everyday (unless his hitting becomes so bad to the point his amazing d can’t even make up for it..I personally don’t foresee this happening though)

  • Benny

    That is so foul man…smh.

  • Benny

    Boras is so full of it. Drew will not be in Baseball form come June, and no team will be willing to give him the money he wants, considering he will need to go to the minors to get into form before coming up and contributing on the big league roster. Would be a waste of time and a 25 man roster spot if done otherwise.

  • metFAN660

    It’s like Boras is threatening the Mets that he’s going to make their lives miserable with Harvey if they don’t at least act like they’re still in the mix for Drew. It’s pretty clear they’re not, and crystal clear that they shouldn’t be.

  • skyking26

    Screw Drew! This is getting old, real old. If not happy with Tejada. I wouldn’t mind seeing more of Tovar. Put someone who values getting a shot at the major league level.

  • metsaholic

    I doubt that it’s clear that they are not, nor that they shouldn’t be. They obviously are, or they would have said unequivocally that they are not interested. From most fans perspective, they should be. He is clearly an upgrade over Tejada. The question is for how much, how long and do they have other options.

  • BehindTheBag

    This charade makes no sense. After Harvey went down, 2014 should be about figuring out what you have so you know where to spend next year, and trying to maximize assets in trade.
    -Put Lagares at CF from day 1 and see where his bat goes
    -Put Davis at 1B and see if he puts it together at age 27 (not unprecedented) or if he’s just not a big leaguer
    -Put Flores at SS and see if he can cut it there, and get him a full season of at-bats.
    -Get Thor and Montero up here, in the starting rotation this summer and let them start figuring out how to get major leaguers out

    I was for signing Drew before, if the deal was on our terms. But basically, you’re paying him good money to play for a losing team, at the expense of a year of Wilmer at-bats. Then you’ll be sitting there next year still not having a plan for Flores.

  • BehindTheBag

    If we offer the contract with the most zeros, Harvey will sign.

  • metsaholic

    There has got to be a pitcher in the Mets system in a deal with Settle for Franklin. Yes, I know the question is which one would be a fair trade. But some kind of deal here really has to be made. Franklin might not be the ideal defensive SS, but his youth and potential would be a positive in the mix. I would suggest a platoon with Tejada at short.

  • metFAN660

    If it’s an upgrade at all, it’s a very minor one. Mike Francesa makes it like attendance will go up by 400,000 if they sign him. Nonsense. The fact that anyone is taking any of these anonymous quotes seriously is ridiculous. Remember a few weeks ago when “a Mets official” said Drew was going to fall to them? It’s Boras at desperation time. He always finds a sucker, and it hope it’s not the Mets.

  • metFAN660

    How about they find a place for Flores to play before bringing in another guy with no real position?

  • MyasDaddy

    It wouldn’t be a day without some mention of Stephen Drew.

  • BehindTheBag

    His name is Montero, and given Franklin’s uncertain defensive capabilities, it’s better to hold on to Montero.

  • metsaholic

    Really we’re just speculating as to the negotiation strategy of Boras and the Mets. I don’t think fans give a hoot about that. Boras has been very successful at his job. Fans are taking this seriously because most want an upgrade a SS. I take issue with you on your view that Drew is a minor upgrade. On it’s face that is not even close to being true.

  • metsaholic

    Yeah, well that’s the speculation that Montero would get it done. My point is that we don’t think trading Montero is a fair trade. So who else could we trade that we would feel comfortable parting with, and that Seattle would be happy to accept?

  • Man, finally someone making real sense! I’ve been reading and reading comments, about what they need to do etc…

    How soon we forget how bad our farm system was a few years ago, and so many years before that.

    Alderson is using the same philosophy he did in Oakland. How many young no-name pitchers come up through their system in the past and been so good. Let the man finish the job he has started. I think he’s doing pretty good. SF won with PITCHING, they had zero bats! Bat’s don’t win (i.e. Detroit), Pitching=Defense WINS!

  • metsaholic

    Drew has more speed, hits for more extra base power, and is a better defender. It’s really not close.

  • HarveyKsYou

    This is where us having more blue chip prospects would help.. We have one blue chip prospect. The other top farms have 2-3/4 blue chips.. If we could just have one more we’d be able to acquire someone like a Carlos Gonzalez, etc.. Then you have LF figured out and could keep EY Jr on the bench.. You’d also be able to live with less offense at SS. Just seems the mets always fall short.

  • metFAN660

    Sure, if you’re going by last years stats. The fact is that Drew will not do as well as last year, (especially if he moves from Fenway to Citi Field), and Tejada will be better than last year. Maybe Drew goes deep 5-10 more times. That’s worth more than $10M? With Granderson and Young and hopefully Ike bouncing back, the extra homers are insignificant.

  • metFAN660

    Aren’t you making the case why the Mets shouldn’t give up another draft pick?

  • I can’t believe how much talk about Drew. He’s a “medium player” at best. Why waste “bullets” when there are FA studs coming next year. I love this team whether they stink or not, but really, where are we going this year?
    Even with Tulowitski playing short? Better than WAS? Better than ATL? Don’t think so…
    BIG PICTURE FOLKS. STICK TO THE PLAN. FOLLOW THROUGH. EXECUTE!

  • metsaholic

    Honestly, even if you compare last year to Tejada’s best year, Drew is better. More home runs? Yes. But also more doubles and triples, more SB’s too. His run producing ability is more than insignificant. Granderson, Young or if Ike “bouncing back” is not a factor when it comes to upgrading any position.

  • oleosmirf

    The thing is it only takes a weeks worth of real ST, to know whether Flores can play SS or not. It’s very easy for them to tell whether he can defend or not. Same goes for Tejada and his attitude/bat

    By that time, Drew should still be available and given opening day is approaching, the deal should be on our terms.

  • metsaholic

    By your rational I ask this. Why don’t we just sit out the year and WAIT FOR THE BIG PICTURE.

  • metFAN660

    Yes it is. You allocate your resources based on what you need. If they have a 24 yo SS that can hit .290 batting 8th, you don’t need to waste $10M+ on a few more doubles and dingers. The only reason you do that is if you’ve completely given up on the 24 yo. Doesn’t make sense to do that after one single bad season.

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    look at the FA list next year there are no studs and it will cost more.

  • metFAN660

    Because it makes sense to use this year to actually figure out what holes they really need to fill. If Tejada doesn’t pan out, or Davis…they will know that they need to replace them, rather than letting them go for nothing and going on to be productive for someone else. You also give Wheeler and Montero, and Syndergaard some experience against major league hitting. Every season is not about winning a championship. That’s the big picture.

  • AJF

    I agree to a point but we all pretty much know the Mets will not be players for any of the Stud FA out there for the next few years

  • metsaholic

    Yes, we need a better defensive shortstop who can be a better run producer than Tejada. Such a player improves the team. The Mets offered to sign Drew for pretty close to the 10 million which I certainly think is worth a “few more doubles and dingers.”

  • metsaholic

    LOL so we waste another year trying to answer a question as to what holes they need to fill? The fans, the organization and the media all know what the holes are. If every season is not about competing and winning championships you find yourself in exactly the situation the Mets are in now. Losers.

  • I’ve been waiting a long time! Vegas has the O/U for the Met’s at 71.5 Wins. I just went big $ on the over (with Tejada at short). I don’t want to think they would win less games than last year? That would be the same as “sitting out”.
    Montero & Syndergard come up this year. d’Arnaud’s time to show-up. More AB’s for Flores. Vic Black, Degrom to solidify a young powerful bullpen?
    Plenty of questions to be answered this year, while we “sit out”

  • I stand corrected….

    The headliner of the group is Dodgers star Hanley Ramirez, who is tentatively slated for his first foray into free agency after signing a six-year extension with the Marlins back in 2008.

    Ramirez may never get there, though, because he has discussed an extension with the Dodgers, Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Timesreported last month via Twitter. The right-handed hitter never developed the consistency to be the perennial MVP candidate many projected he would be early in his career, but if he can put together a solid, healthy 2014, he’ll likely be in line for a huge payday next offseason—assuming he doesn’t get locked up before then.

    Down a tier, we find two pretty good shortstops who might be looking for a Peralta-like contract if they play well next season in J.J. Hardy of the Orioles and Cleveland’s Asdrubal Cabrera.

    Hardy, especially, looks like a good bet to land that contract if he keeps up his recent production, while Cabrera will need to rebound from a disappointing 2013. Age is on Cabrera’s side, though, as he turned 28 in November, while Hardy will turn 32 this season.

    Jed Lowrie is another name to watch, a guy who hits well for a middle infielder (.264/.332/.427 career line) but might be best suited for a utility role because of his defensive limitations and proclivity for injuries. His 662 plate appearances last year were by far the most of his career, and if he can do it again, and maintain his production at the plate, he’ll make for an interesting case in free agency.

    Finally, a couple of past-their-prime greats will be at a crossroads, as Derek Jeter could be facing retirement, while Jimmy Rollins could be a free agent due to a convoluted vesting/club/player option for 2015 (as per Cot’s Contracts).

    THEY ARE STILL TREMENDOUSLY BETTER THAN DREW, and MAYBE FRANKLIN!

  • Andrew Herbst

    All of these Drew rumors have gotten ridiculous.

  • Hodges14

    Only problem with that kind of thinking is that you have no idea who will be on the free agent market next winter.

  • Hodges14

    lol… that’s what last year was for.

  • metFAN660

    Right. Because “win-now” worked really well for them from 1998-2008. You’ve apparently learned nothing from the mistakes they’ve made. The rest of us can only hope the team has learned a lot, and resist your calls to repeat them.

  • DKNOKOZ

    Every year we create or let new holes open that have to be figured out the following year before we can get better the year after that. It’s ridiculous, how many losing seasons seasons in a row is acceptable?

  • Hodges14

    It’s all posturing at this point. He’s saying anything he can in an attempt to gain leverage in negotiations.

  • Hodges14

    Apparently according to disciples of the “plan” how many years and how many losses is unimportant. In their mind the losses of today pave the way for wins tomorrow hahahahaha. In reality the losses of today make them losers.

  • Hodges14

    Between 1998 and 2008 they were in the post season 3 times. Why is that worse than pissing away 1/2 a decade without making any genuine effort to win?

    Why is “lose-now” more appealing to you than “win-now”?

  • Biggle Boy

    Now that a “source” indicates the Mets are not impressed with the condition that Tejada’s supposedly in, I’m not surprised to hear they are still talking with Boras about Drew. Sure sounds like they may sign him … before June.

  • Hodges14

    Hopefully they are proceeding on multiple fronts to find an upgrade at SS. Nothing wrong with comparing and taking the best option.

  • Hodges14

    Maybe they already have taken a look at Flores. They’ve been in camp for a while now. Maybe it’s obvious that he’s not capable of playing SS.

  • Hodges14

    It’s funny how all of the Mets prospects are can’t miss hall of famers but everyone we would trade for is full of flaws.

  • Hodges14

    I suspect they have already seen enough of Flores during workouts to know and that’s why you are hearing rumblings that they are looking outside the organization again.

  • Hodges14

    So if Wheeler or Syndergaard go down this year then we should surrender for 2015? That would follow the same logic. Conceding a season because of 1 injured player is pretty ridiculous. I wonder if the Cardinals considered that as an option when Wainwright was injured just before the 2011 season started.

  • Gland1

    Jeter already announced he was going to retire, no? Did you just copy an old article or something?

  • Biggle Boy

    I agree. But I wouldn’t trade Montero for Franklin, as some MMO articles are asking. As long as other SS options they may pursue are good defensive players, that’s fine by me.

  • Hodges14

    That’s the problem with worrying about “next year’s” free agent class. You have no clue who will or won’t actually become a free agent. You just have to be ready to jump on talent IF it’s available when you need it. You can’t plan ahead with free agents.

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    Also the Yankees are going to need a SS so you can count on the prices going up and forget about the top SS’s. Hanley is going to resign, already reports about Hardy looking to resign. So the Mets will be competing with the Yanks for the likes of Lowrie and Asdrubal because the rest of the SS are not even worth trying for.

  • Hodges14

    The fact is that Drew will not do as well as last year, (especially if he moves from Fenway to Citi Field), and Tejada will be better than last year.

    Those are FACTS? You have a crystal ball that told you so?

  • Hodges14

    We don’t know that it would be a 1 for 1 deal. It may be Montero and some other package for Franklin and some other package. Without knowing all the details we cannot make the judgement about whether or not it’s a good deal.

  • metsaholic

    Between 1998-2008 the Mets had 8, count them, EIGHT…winning seasons. How is that not better than the 5 STRAIGHT YEARS OF BEING (projected to be 6 years) LOSERS?

  • Yea, older article, just listing the FA’s. And this too…

    The 29-year-old Tulowitzki still has seven years left on a $157.5 million contract. It’s a figure that will weigh on the Rockies if they don’t contend soon. It’s also a price tag the Yankees could absorb as they look to replace Jeter, who has announced he’ll retire at the end of the season.

    “I know that right now I’m wearing a Rockies uniform and my job is to prepare and try to have the best season that I can and we can as a team,” he said. “I think if we play good baseball those rumors will go away. But I know if we don’t, they won’t go away.”

  • Biggle Boy

    Franklin’s defense is not rated as a plus, so I’d rather the Mets look at other SS trade options, as well as Drew.

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    Bad article to chose to post for your side of the debate. It says Lowrie is probably better sutied for a util role because of injuries and defense and Cabrera has to show he’s not on a decline. Those are the only free agents to have a shot at and will cost more money and a higher draft pick, so how are the better?

  • metFAN660

    Because I’m not satisfied with over-.500 seasons. I want championships. I guess you have lower expectations. Who’s the loser?

  • Bail4Nails

    I’d like for them to see Flores play SS at least one Spring Training game before making a decision. Maybe they should watch Franklin play SS for Seattle a few games too. I’m willing to wait a couple weeks, as long as I don’t hear Drew’s name the entire time. He’s seriously becoming a Geico commercial.

  • metsaholic

    LOL! That’s all you have don’t you. Nothing.

  • NewYorkMammoths

    Two questions:

    1. Assume the Mets agree this week to a two-year deal with Drew. What’s the price that divides a Sandy win from a Sandy loss? I say $20 million/$10 million a year.

    2. Does it enter into the Mets’ thinking that if they do Boras somewhat of a favor with Drew, it will help them down the road with other Boras clients?

  • Gland1

    Whats your point? And your source?

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    Haven’t they already been doing this for the past 3 years?

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    IF this guy got an offer for 14.1 million from the Sox-TAKE IT! First of all he’s not worth it and second he has a shot at another WS ring and all the money that goes with it. This guy just may be the STUPIDEST baseball player in the game today and for that reason alone we should walk away!!

  • MetsFAN660

    Yes. It’s called rebuilding.

  • My point is there are other options (how it all pans out, none of us know) for next year, rather than the few right now. I’m sure people will disagree but I think Alderson got the organization (at least) in the right direction. He might be on a roll and whatever they decide might be best.

    Maybe not doing much at all and retaining the talent we have might be the best move thus far?

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Hopefully I have this right, but I think it makes sense to sign Drew and relinquish the respective draft pick rather than including Montero in a deal. We at least know what Montero can do at the MiL level whereas the draft pick is a total unknown. If Montero gets you a young stud SS, then that changes the equation. But my preference would be to keep Montero, as the health of a pitching staff can vary widely over the course of a season…

  • Hodges14

    Alderson’s teams in Oakland were built on steroid aided homerun hitters for the most part.

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    how many years does it take to rebuild and find a solution for the same holes that have been there?

  • BarnRat

    Getting Drew at a decent price and for not too long (assume Mammoths 2 yrs at $10 mil per, below), is acceptable but unlikely to ever be more than acceptable — we all know Drew isn’t a difference maker.

    If we look ahead to 2015 and the possible FA class, we should reconfirm what cards we’re holding. We’re weak on $ and strong on young pitching. Certain “other” teams are the opposite and have to chase free agents because they have few attractive trade options. Given that, we aren’t going to be winners for top tier FAs, but we are a team others will trade with. So someone figure out sooner rather than later if Flores at SS is a smokescreen. If it is, make something happen with an Owings/Franklin/Miller. If that doesn’t work, Drew. If that doesn’t work go back and try all three again before Tejada.

  • Enrique Castro

    Nothing will help with Boras. .

  • Gland1

    The point you seemed to miss in your cutting and pasting is there is no guarantee there will be other options. If Hanley stays in L.A. and Hardy stays in Baltimore next season we’d actually have competition for the leftovers. And wowould have to give up a higher draft pick for it.

  • Charley’s Twin

    YOU

  • Gland1

    Well he already turned the qualifying offer down.

  • metFAN660

    Davis hit 32 bangs the year before last, and played gg 1B. He’s 27. The year before last, Tejada hit .290, and was being drooled over for his smart play, both at bat and in the field, by Keith Hernandez. He’s 24. You want to give up on them after one bad season. And you’re giving up on them for players who aren’t going to get you anywhere anyway. You want to get Joey Votto at 1B and Jurickson Profar at SS? Fine. Abreu and Drew? I’ll take my chances with what we’ve got.

  • Charley’s Twin

    haha your last sentence is perfect

  • oleosmirf

    I think you could be right, I just hope Flores gained some agility to make him more adequate at 2B.

    I think most people in the organization knew SS still wouldn’t work for him, but it was a nice little “reward” for his dedication over the summer.

  • Hodges14

    When has Davis won a gold glove? I must have missed that. Or perhaps you mistakenly thought that jumping over the dugout railing to catch a foul ball automatically won the award? Fact is that Davis has put together 0 complete seasons. Now as you suggest the Mets can continue to wait for Davis and Tejada and continue to absorb losses every year. Or, they can start upgrading a little bit at each position and make the team competitive. Then when this hall of fame pitching staff comes together they will be ready to contend.

  • metsaholic

    And that is why you fail.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    All of those things can still happen, that’s what ST is for. All those players have an opportunity to win the jobs you want for them.

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    That makes this dufus double STUPID if that is even possible!

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    As well as several other teams. And most of baseball.

  • RyanF55

    This is nauseating. Here’s all I know…Drew > Tejada. How much is worth paying for the marginal upgrade can be debated until the end of the time. Drew offers greater power, a career OPS of over 100 points higher than Tejada, (whom has never broken .700 in his career) and, not a statistic but important in me eyes, a World Series Champion pedigree.

    That considered, Drew’s career hit an obvious offensive wall after 2010. After posting four-straight seasons of double-digit HRs, over 60 RBIs, a BA of over .265 and an average OPS of .768, he followed that with four-straight years of single-digit HRs, never more than 45 RBIs, .229 BA, and a OPS of 669. The difference in those years? Health. In the years he struggled, he never played more than 86 games. Last year he was able to play in 124 games, albeit in a WS lineup, and produced again hitting .253, 13 HRs, 67 RBIs and an OPS of .777. If he’s healthy, he can contribute. In exactly 50 percent of his career, (10 seasons) he’s played in over 100 games. That means literally half his career has been plagued with injuries. Signing Drew is a large risk – if healthy he’s valuable, but he can break down at any time. How much is too much for that risk?

  • Destry

    Tim Dierkes of mlbtraderumors predicted before the offseason tha Drew would sign a 4/$48mil, and hes been right on or under on most predictions. Drew has fallen in our lap already. 2/$22 would be a steal, and 3/$30-33 would still be a bargain. Cant believe we’re gonna mess this up

  • BarnRat

    Agree with you to some extent. But as mentioned in another thread, when a team goes 13-13 with the #1 or 2 pitcher in MLB on the mound, that’s a problem. We’re a .500 team with Harvey pitching EVERY day.

  • metFAN660

    No. I want to win. You want to whine.

  • oleosmirf

    nobody really cares about the 3rd round pick. It’s all about the money they have to pay him after 2014.

  • metFAN660

    You say yourself that Davis hasn’t put together a complete season. But you think they should get rid of him for pennies on the dollar and replacing him with another question mark before finding out if he actually can? Brilliant!

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    How is it that you want to win but you are going to give Tejada another chance? i think an Ike/Satin platoon will be okay but Tejada is a glorified back MI. He has 2 career HR’s and offers next to nothing with the bat. Drew’s numbers last year pass Tejada career totals. So if you want to start winning it’s about time to start to fill those holes instead of waiting another year when the price goes up for nothing better.

  • Hodges14

    I think they’ve spent enough time on Davis to see what he is. He can’t hit lefties at all and he can’t hit breaking balls at all. His defense is up and down. When you say pennies on the dollar… if they release him they pay him $600K for this year. If they keep him they pay over $3M so in Mets terms this is not pennies.

  • Hodges14

    Exactly, if the Mets are going to let a 3rd round pick dictate whether or not they sign free agents then they will never sign another free agent in the future.

  • DrDooby

    Just like Kenny Morales, Erwin Santana and Nelson Cruz, Stephen Drew (or actually their agents) misread the market and how important draft picks AND slot money with those picks are in today´s game.

    While it´s no problem losing an early pick (and slot money) by signing an impact player, it apparently is a big problem when sacrificing something like that for a good complementary player.

    There´s no reason why Jhonny Peralta should receive significantly more money than Stephen Drew. Both are of similar value when healthy. Drew had the big injury that cost him the 2nd half of 2011 and 1st half of 2012. Peralta got a PED suspension that puts things in question. But in general we´re talking about “3 WAR” caliber shortstops under normal circumstances. Drew a better fielder, Peralta a better hitter but both are adequate in other areas to be at least average if not above average MLB SS overall. Unlike Drew, Peralta did not receive a QO from the Tigers. So, he was in line to make a fortune. Likewise, the one contender with both money and a gapping SS hole filled its need and led Drew´s market to collapse.

    As it is, Drew remains a good fit for the Mets. But it obviously comes down to money. Drew is not an impact player you want to break the bank for. So, if Drew is okay with a 2-year, 22 million $ deal, that should work for both. If he wants more than that, it´ll be tough for the Mets to justify – especially considering that they´re probably more than just Stephen Drew away from being a legit playoff team.

  • Hodges14

    Right… it was all proportional. Canseco & McGwire were equivalent to the others. lol

  • metFAN660

    Sorry Clark. I don’t think he’s useless because he doesn’t have speed or put up gaudy power numbers. The guy played a very smart game. Aside from last year, he’s a really good situational hitter. He works deep into counts. He plays a better SS than Reyes did, even though he has half of Jose’s athleticism. That’s what Hernandez was saying about him, not me. If Drew is slightly better, he’s also 7 years older. No need to quit on Tejada yet, unless you’re bringing in a super-stud to build around.

  • DrDooby

    Well, the Peralta contract (4-years, 53 million) is the reference. In a normal market, a 3-year, 39 million or 4-years, 50 million deal for Drew would have been ok.

    2-years, 22 million or 3-years, 30 million would be acceptable. 1-year, 10 million would be fine too as a stopgap solution. Anything beyond that would be difficult, though length would be the bigger risk vs. a million more in AAV.

  • Hodges14

    It may turn out that Flores’ best contribution to the Mets would be as trade bait to fill one of the existing holes on the roster.

  • Hodges14

    hahaha… really? You can’t believe it? Where have you been the last 4 years?

  • metFAN660

    If he sucks again, they’ve blown $3M, and know that they have to find a replacement. If he gets his head right, and goes deep for 32, he’s a bargain at $3M, and you’ve got your 1B set until Dom Smith is ready. Which bet would you rather win?

  • DrDooby

    They don´t have to see Flores in a game at SS to understand that he can´t be a starting SS option. Again, to fill in for a few games or innings here & there, maybe. But in a best case scenario, Flores will be adequate at 2b and playable due to offense. Or be fine at 1b & 3b (where his sure-hands will make up for the lack of range).

    But we´re talking about a player who had WELL BELOW MAJOR LEAGUE AVERAGE speed & range before entering nutrition camp. While miracles happen, any hopes that Flores improved from more than poor to borderline fringy / worst range among MLB shortstops over the winter are rather foolish. As much as I like Flores and root for him to eventually get a starting gig somewhere for the Mets. But that somewhere almost certainly won´t be SS.

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    I’m only quitting on him being the starter. He is better suited to be a backup MI. Drew plays a good SS and can offer something with the bat. This team needs to score runs or it’s going to waist the starts of these pitchers as they did last year with Harvey. I would feel a lot better going forward with Drew and Tejada than Tejada and Q. Because if and when Tejada fails we are stuck with nothing at SS. But I will say if Flores can show he can play SS I would go with him over Drew, and with that we will at least have a young hitting SS.

  • metFAN660

    I disagree, and that’s fine. I’m ok with Tejada starting, and I’m also fine with giving Flores a shot. Flores doesn’t get a shot if they sign Drew, though. The team is going to score more runs this year. The OF is much better, and d’Arnaud will be a major upgrade too. Add A better Ike, and they’ll be fine with Tejada hitting eighth.

  • beers22

    Boras still “owes” them for the Perez contract. Teams want to have good relationships with guys like Boras, so they’ll make some concessions/considerations here and there, but they’re never going to sign a bad contract just to help themselves down the road with an agents clients. They know the agent is going to and should always be looking out for the best interests of their clients, not the teams.

  • On the topic of Drew and his agent Boras. Is anyone following the whole back n forth between Boras and the Blue Jays? I just picked up on it today.

    Boras apparently on Sunday described Jays ownership to Fox Sports as, “They’re a car with a huge engine that is impeded by a big corporate
    stop sign . . . a successful and committed ownership that needs to give
    their baseball people financial flexibility.”

    Apparently suggesting they need to release the purse strings so the Jays GM can sign his clients.

    When the Jays GM was informed about Boras’s comments he responded by saying that it had nothing to do with an unwillingness to spend but,

    “As the offseason has progressed we’ve felt better about the internal options, especially the young guys, whether it’s a guy like (Marcus) Stroman, Drew Hutchison, Kyle Drabek,” …Brandon Morrow looks great. We felt good about him in November but as he’s progressed through the offseason, we feel even better about him.”

    “…Feeling better about our situation allowed us to not have to stretch as much as we might have had to. We wanted to add to the rotation, to add depth. But again, where some of the price points were, whether it was years or dollars or some of the acquisition costs in trades, I wouldn’t have felt good standing in a scrum and saying, ‘We didn’t believe in the acquisition cost, we just did it but we don’t feel good about it.’ You need to feel good about those moves.”

    Then yesterday maybe because his comments were being taken as saying Jays ownership is cheap he went on a Toronto Sports talk station and tried to be clear of what he meant and trying to convey on Sunday.

    The part that that stood out the most to me though was when Boras was asked what if it simply was that Alex (Anthopoulos) and Paul (Beeston) felt Drew and Morales were not worth it. Here is the exchange.

    SportsNet 590: “Scott, what if this is just Alex and Paul this is just a philosophical thing in their part? You know it’s got nothing to do with the corporate stop sign. It’s got Alex just saying, “I don’t think Stephen Drew or Kendrys Morales are worth it at that price, I just don’t?”

    Scott Boras: “Well look, I know a lot about what Toronto thinks about players. I don’t think it’s good business for a general manager to come out and say that his team, his board of directors or such is going to do x, y or z or not do that. That’s not his job. His job is to take the noted policies of the club and work within it. So this is really above the general managers pay grade these decisions.”

    So am I reading that right? Boras is saying it’s not the Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos job to decide if signing one of his clients is worth it. Does Alex know that? 🙂

    Source: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/rosenthal-boras-takes-jays-ownership-to-task-022314

    Source: http://www.torontosun.com/2014/02/24/gm-anthopoulos–calls-jays-ownership-outstanding

    Source: http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/jeff-blair-show/

    Source: http://www.torontosun.com/2014/02/25/agent-scott-boras-wants-to-see-blue-jays-win

  • Bubbadubbs

    You seem so sure that flores can’t play ss, please explain why flores coundn’t be a similar player to jhonny peralta, not a great feilder but hits well (other than last year peralta was a .260/320 type hitter)

  • DrDooby

    Peralta ‘s range / defense was considered fringe at SS. Like Jed Lowrie’s or Nick Franklin’s range has been considered fringe.

    Not good but playable. But according to all scouts & even from the pure eye test, the consensus has been that Flores had less range than Daniel Murphy – a below average defender at 2b himself. If the camp helped Flores get close to Murphy levels, that’s be great. But nobody has been lobbying for Murphy to be the SS (hey, maybe to get EY jr to 2b !)….

    Why ? Because Murphy like Flores is NOT a Major League caliber SS. Just like Josh Edgin probably isn’t a Major League SP…

  • Ben

    Mets have no shot at Hanley and he is the only substantial upgrade to drew in next years class. They will never pony up the dough.

    Hardy is to old to give a multi year deal. I would pass on a 33-36 ur old SS whose skills will likely decline , and whose power will be hampered by citi compared to Camden.

    Cabrera…maybe. I think we need to see a bounce back this year. Even so, this team will be built on pitching and he is below average at the position, and will likely cost more money, years and picks. The jury is still out ,but I would prefer a better defensive SS.

    I agree that lowrie is a good hitter for a middle infielder, but you do realize the triple slash you posted is almost identical to Drew’s career slash of 264/329/435? Lowrie is also a poor defender much more suited to 2B. He too, willost likely cost more in years dollars and picks.

    Jeter is retiring. If not, he will play with the Yankees. He will never play for another team, and you know it.

    Rollins is old, not worth a multi year deal. He wants to finish his career with the Phillies, he will not be a Met.

    My defense of Drew is all based on a reasonable contract and the alternatives. I would go as far as 3/30. No opt out, no other bull. All other expected free agents next year (BTW we don’t even know who will be available a year from now)are not a better fit for this team.

    If you want to talk trades, now is not the time. I think the meat will be in a much better position to trade next season. The young guys (legartes, Montero, plawecki, puello, nimmo, Flores, etc) will have another year to prove if they are legit, and we should have some excess SP. The ones whom are, will be that much more valuable. However, I think the excess talent would be better used to trade for a bopper.

    Signing drew now filled a hole. And sets the table next year to get a cleanup hitter, instead of using the resources to get a SS. He is much better fit than anyone you listed.

    I would love to hear the communities thoughts.

  • louisrstennes@yahoo.com

    Very insightful comments. I wonder if pro athletes consider the average fan’s pocketbook. A guy like Kershaw gets 23 million a year from LA and there are still 24 other guys and all the other coaches and staff to pay. That comes to about 75 dollars a ticket for a decent seat. Who can afford more than one or two games a year? If anything kills pro sports it will be one thing. GREED!!!

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    I’d be willing to bet the third-round-pick excuse is in Sandy’s hip pocket…

  • Hodges14

    You keep citing his 2012 season in which he hit 32 homeruns. That season he put up a 0.9 WAR. Hitting homeruns was literally the only thing he did well that season and he didn’t start doing that until the Mets were eliminated from contention, and he hasn’t done it since.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Of course. The mets blogs have had more Drew stories than anyone else.

    And that is the true barometer of where a player will land.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Bourn> Torres

    Yet it was a good thing that the mets didnt sign Bourn considering how things work out. Signing him would have meant no Lagares in CF, no D Smith in draft, and most likely no Grandy.

    That would have been a flesh wound if that shot hit.

    Glad we didnt sign Bourn. Passing on Drew might ultimately work out better.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Just sign him so we dont have to have any more reports about Drew.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    The quote Adam Rubin has is longer.

    “There’s been a lot of talk about Stephen Drew obviously. My own personal view is at this point, Stephen and his agent are reviewing the situation and perhaps looking at a strategy that prolongs this situation into the regular season or even into June. I have no idea at this point, but I do think in light of Nelson Cruz’s contract (one year, $8 million) that they’re probably reconsidering where they are. That doesn’t mean they’re going to do a similar deal. But I do think there will be some reevaluation going on.

  • Xavier 22

    If Rick Peterson and Bora$ were ever locked in a room together, the English language would implode.

  • Agee’s Catch

    I’m hoping someone else signs him.

  • metsfaninparadise

    Imploring or exploring? All winter I’ve been saying 2 years at $9 mil per, before I knew he made 9.5 last year. But if Cruz can sign for 8, Drew can sign for 9. It’s not a pay cut, it’s a market fluctuation. I just wish it was over.

  • Fonzie

    Peralta has much more range than Wilmer Flores.

  • Hodges14

    How did thing turn out? I was under the impression that Bourn has completed 1 out of a 4 year contract. How do we know how that contract is going to turn out?

  • Sylow59

    1) Perralta was signed very early when the SS market was still very high.

    2) The Cards were in no way, shape, or form wanted to enter the season with Discalzo or Kozma.

    3) The trade market was insane and Drew would cost them a pick (they haven;t lost a pick in more than 10 years) so Drew was not going to happen.

    4) The Cards have actually reduced payroll from last year. Signing Perralta did not break their bank. They overpaid so Perralta wouldn’t keep looking.

    5) They settled their SS problem and they still have a good amount of payroll flexability.

    You cannot compare Perralta and Drew straight up. The situations are totally different.

  • Captain America

    And Cruz was getting 5/75?

    Drew is in the corner because mets have him boxed in.

    He wants years, dollars and opt out.
    Mets want a short deal at their price.

    If mets added second year with opt out it would be the same QO circumstance he is facing now… And to do so logically the mets would backload the deal to get an even bigger bargain if he opted out AND a draft pick better than the 3rd rounder they gave up

  • DrDooby

    Maybe Boras & Drew believe that Cruz signing for well below expected value (he was supposedly asking for 4-years, 70 million early in the off-season) actually makes waiting out the June draft a valid strategy.
    After the draft, Drew can be had without costing anyone a draft pick. Some teams may feel more desperate about their SS situation then than they feel now and one big hurdle for some teams (i.e. draft pick compensation) would be cleared anyway.

    The odds that Drew receives a 2 2/3rds -year, 32 million $ contract (say 10 for the rest of 2014 -12-12) are probably higher in June than they are now.

    Basically, Drew can play it safe and take the best offer he gets now or wait things out and hope more options present themselves.

  • trevordunn

    Just sign the damn guy already. Your other options are Tejada/Omar/Flores or trading Montero for Franklin…SIGN DREW NOW BEFORE THE YANKEES DECIDE THEY WANT HIM

  • trevordunn

    Lagares is that big of a deal? he hit .240 last year and will be a 4th OF or in AAA this year….He’s not the second coming of Trout for god sake

  • DrDooby

    Would you trade Dominic Smith for the remaining 3 years on Bourn´s contract right now ? I´d guess no. Both based on how highly Smith is regarded and due to Lagares and even EY jr. having emerged as internal options at a lot less cost but arguably not much worse production.

  • trevordunn

    look at Bourns career stats and compare them to EY….lol

  • metsfaninparadise

    He won’t sign with the Yanks for the same reason he won’t sign with the Sox. he wants to be a SS, not a utilityinfieder

  • Captain America

    Or he might be trading 1/10 for 2/20 in June

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    If Drew signs after the draft, the team that signs him doesn’t have to give up a 2015 pick then? Is that how it works b/c I don’t know. If so, then why don’t all teams wait till after the draft?

  • DKNOKOZ

    I would trade him for Ivan Wilson though. That is the more accurate analogy in terms of Drew.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    yea they wont loose a pick – BUT I don’t think that’s the issue – I think teams just don’t think hes worth what hes asking – the guy isn’t that good

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    me too – hes really not that good

  • DKNOKOZ

    I’m not glad we didn’t get Bourn, I’m just glad we didn’t give up our pick to get him. I would feel much better about this year with a true leadoff hitter on the Mets. I take it you think that Bourn is washed up because he didn’t do great in his first year switching leagues and dealing with some early injuries. Still was a 2.4 WAR ballplayer. Not sure we will get that out of Grandy this year. And the better analogy than D. Smith in terms of Drew is Ivan Wilson, our 3rd round pick.

  • DKNOKOZ

    And not for nothing, it’s looking like Lagares won’t even be the starter. It could very well be EY/CY/Grandy starting the season.

  • $6064075

    Peralta was “even” in runs saved in 2013, ranking him 16th among MLB shortstops in 2013.

    Drew was 21st with minus 2 runs saved.

    I agree, Flores is not going to be a viable option. He could very well be in the Jimmy Rollins-esque range of minus 15 or few runs saved in 2014. But probably worse than that. It’s a pipe dream to think Flores can man the position.

    As we’re talking about shortstop, opting for the best defensive option available is critically important. That’s why you sign Drew. If I thought Tejada could match his defense, I would say go with Tejada. But Drew is going to give you more a little more offense with probably comparable to slightly better defense than Tejada.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    2 years – 5 mill per BUT if boris and drew think hes a top 10 ss we should offer incentives. SO:
    Base 5 million
    15 or more HR – + 3 mill
    OBP of 340 or more + 3 mill
    Average of .275 or more + 3 mill
    so that would all up to 14 million IF he plays like a good ss.
    ugh and still I wouldnt like him, but at least get what you pay for

  • kidcarter8

    Mets were never surrendering the Smith pick for Bourn

  • SCarton12

    boras always tries to bypass the GM and go straight to the owners.

  • RyanF55

    I personally want to pass on Drew, but I understand that he is an obvious upgrade. If willing to sign a one year deal, I have no problem bringing him in…and the money for the one year deal means little to me and much more to the Wiponzis. I don’t want to go multiple years for a injury plagued player in decline.

  • RyanF55

    I think D. Smith will be much more valuable than Bourn every would be IMO.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    well said!

  • Martin

    I think they meant employing a strategy, not imploring.

  • $6064075

    The “Wilmer Flores can play shortstop” is a popular internet meme this offseason, but absolutely no evidence exists that it can actually work.

    Don’t get me wrong, I really like Flores. He just isn’t going to work out at SS. Hopefully he’s playing 1B 3 days into the season after Ike is booted out of the league for maiming a group of reporters with a fungo.

  • Erin_II

    Ha ha ha…”imploring a strategy” That sounds just like that clueless twit, that wears the same shirt every day of his life, regardless if it`s below zero, or 85 degrees down here, like today.

  • EzRider

    I’ve gone back and forth round and round on this. I have come down to two real options for the Mets since i really don’t think they feel that Flores is a real option for SS.
    1. Since the Rays are in on Franklin, who we were linked to but don’t want to part with Montero, see if we can get involved in a three way deal of some sort. We could ship a small package of other prospects centered around Familia, DeGrom and one other for Zobrist or Escobar. Zobrist has a reasonable contract for two more years or Escobar is a FA at years end. The Rays could use one of those prospects to ship to the Mariners for Franklin (Win-Win all around).

    2. Offer Drew a 2 year deal for about 20 million. Give him the opt-out after year one but set the deal up so in year one he gets 10 million guaranteed and can earn 2 million more based on incentives and then only earn 8 million guaranteed the next.

  • RS

    Correct. After the draft the draft-pick compensation is out the window. Also of (maybe more) importance, if drew signs a one-year deal after the start of the season, the signing team can’t give him a qualifying offer for the 2015 season. So even if he takes a smaller less-than-one-year deal, he could possibly set him self up for a big contract in 2015, by being a FA SS option not tied to a pick.

  • RS

    Wasn’t Stephen Drew’s 2013 worth over $16 Mil based on his war/ performance?
    The market dropped out from under him. Boras misjudged the market – it’s unfortunate for him, but it doesn’t make him stupid.
    For drew to take a one-year deal, after a very good season for him, and with his injury history, would have been a big financial risk for him. I can see why he was looking for a long-term deal. What if he took the QO and got hurt in the middle of the season? He would be begging for a rebuild contract in 2015.

  • Joey D.

    “There’s going to be a stray comment about players from time to time,” Alderson told MLB Network. “That’s unfortunately the nature of the media in New York. It’s so pervasive that comments like that are going to be gleaned from time to time.”

    I take that to mean that a stray comment is not the general manager telling a reporter “From our standpoint, look, it does appear that we would be a logical landing spot for someone like Stephen Drew. But, at the same time, we have to make our own, independent evaluation and cost-benefit computation and act accordingly, which is what we have done.”

    Yes, that has to be taken in context to the entire statement which included very good things about Ruben Tejada but considering Sandy’s understanding of the New York Media and what he warned the organization was up against on MLB, would he not be the one not abiding by his own cautious concerns and in light of that his overall comments were ill advised and in very poor judgment?

    It is quite easy to talk about the Drew situation and to leave the Mets completely out of by keeping the subject on Boras and Drew as a separate issue. Sandy did voicing the opinion that they “are imploring a strategy that may keep him on the open market until June. ”In light of what Nelson Cruz got, they might want to reconsider.” Say no more.

    Then when asked about Drew and the Mets shortstop situation why not simply have limited your response to this: “We were happy with what Ruben did in the offseason. We’re hopeful that he’ll show significant improvement on the field — back to the levels he has demonstrated, so it’s not an unrealistic hope”. Again, say no more.

    Again, my advice to Sandy is to distance himself sometimes from his analytical approach and not to get nervous with a “gut reaction” – in this case it would have helped a little bit in putting out the fire rather than making it spread a little bit more.

  • RS

    Thank you.
    This team is perpetually “win when?” not “win now.”
    How many more 75 win seasons should we expect before we transition into a win-now mode.
    Yankees missed playoffs in 2013 and transformed into a frontrunner for 2014. We can’t do that, but us staying the same is getting real old. We seem like a better-funded, only slightly more ambitious version of the Astros; content with not really competing seemingly endlessly.
    Mets are expected to finish in the bottom 10 in the league AGAIN. IS the front office’s plan to keep payroll and talent at the some level, and hope that by some kind of “Mets Miracle” we will be competitive? Is 2015 the real year we make a push? 2016? Are we waiting until our very young SS and 1B prospects are ready to fill the gaping lineup holes? The ship has less holes then it used to (remember our backstop tandem of Thole Nikeas?) but it’s still sinking.

  • RS

    I don’t think so. A talented draft pick would not likely make an MLB impact for 4 or so years. We need to turn the gas on at some point.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    So then why don’t more players find themselves unemployed until after the draft? Are you sure that’s the rule?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    No, but tons of players were on steroids. Bonds. Sosa. Palmero. Et al. Not every steroid user was on the A’s.

  • Joey D.

    Hi MLBGM,
    I doubt highly that losing a pick would be the deciding issue for clubs that are serious with Drew. It is as you point out, other clubs not thinking he is really that good for the money he is asking.
    If his value is to go up sitting out to June, it might very well be because there will be more than one team in the playoff hunt finding that the solution they thought resolved the issue did not work out. Not an agent or GM so don’t know if that is what Boras is banking on or not.

  • Joey D.

    Hi RS,
    If Drew takes a deal that only goes through this season, no matter the date he signs it, he’ll become the second player to demonstrate that one can lose out not accepting a qualifying offer and that players no longer hold all the cards.
    Being eligible for a qualifying offer does not automatically mean one is also a top echelon player as well. Wonder how many from the class of 2015 won’t let their vanity and their agent’s blowing smoke up their rear ends stand in their way of being reasonable about themselves.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    I don’t think boras isn’t banking on much here, just trying to save face by saying the issue with his client not signing is the “pick” a team will loose as well as hes simply giving teams more time to see if some ss gets injured in ST or the start of the season.

  • RS

    Agreed, it seems likely there will be an attitude/strategy adjustment on both sides. You have to anticipate a higher reluctance for a player to turn down a QO. On the other side, teams may sense that impending trend and be more reluctant to make those offers.

    Morales seems primed to be the biggest loser in this. Seattle must be very pleased Morales did not accept the 14 mil, where clearly his value is much lower on the market, even if there wasn’t a comp pick attached to him.

    It remains to be seen if Boras is at all successful with his plan to subvert the QO process for his players that have lost out. But I agree with you, that clearly Boras did not handle the situation well, and several players will suffer because of it.

  • Joey D.

    Hi MLBGM,

    If trying to save face, it’s probably just for public consumption and not for anyone within the business. His reputation with the players needs more busts with clients before it becomes tarnished though yes, he might be saying that to place the thought in the minds of current and potential future clients only as a business pre-caution for it doesn’t hurt to be careful.

  • DKNOKOZ

    I’m not arguing that at ll, 100% agreed.

  • Super T

    That is the best quote I have heard Sandy say regarding the situation. At least he is finally acknowledging Drew is a great fit and the money is the stumbling block.

    All these “Drew is not the right fit” or other similar quotes have all been code for “Stephen Drew at $14M per season is not the right fit”.

  • Stephen Drew to the Mets…. Yup. Still not happening.

  • Destry

    He has only had two seasons in which he played less than 100 games. 2011, when he broke his ankle so bad it was sticking through his skin, and the first half of 2012, when he was recovering from the surgery that followed the ankle injury, unless you are somehow counting his rookie year when he got called up in late July and played 59 of 60 possible games

  • Destry

    You mean in decline like Granderson & Chris Young?

  • Destry

    We’ll see. I don’t see him in camp anywhere. Do you?

  • Destry

    I’m almost positive Dierkes never predicted that Cruz would get 5/75. That’s what Cruz was asking for. Big difference.

  • BehindTheBag

    Oh, were Wheeler and Syndergaard top 5 pitchers in the big leagues? Bonafide aces? If not, then it’s not even close to the same thing?

  • BehindTheBag

    Franklin still has enough luster that he’s not going to get traded for a DeGrom, or a Fulmer/Matz type…they’re going to want a blue chipper, and we shouldn’t part with one for Franklin.

  • RyanF55

    You’re right I looked at the stats wrong.

  • RyanF55

    Am I defending those moves?

  • Destry

    The point is that all free agents are in decline

  • RyanF55

    Yeah, and some much more than others? You can’t generalize all FAs as declining. Yes, in actuality, every player is “declining,” but then you have a Bartolo Colon, Marlon Byrd performance which completely negates your assumption. Generalizing, I’d agree, but that’s just generalizing.

  • Destry

    Generalizing maybe, but any which way you wanna slice it, free agency is paying players for the back end of their career. You think its generalizing now, it will be a sure thing in a few years will all of the extension being dished out. It pretty much is now. Oh yeah, What do Bartolo Colon and Marlon Byrd have in common?