Who Are You And What Have You Done With Ken Davidoff?

I hardly ever agree with Ken Davidoff. I actually can’t remember the last time I did. But I have to give him credit. He nailed it 100% with his Hall of Fame ballot, or more specifically, his explanation of it. You can read the whole thing here. I can quibble with a choice or two, but he was dead on with his reasoning.

About his vote, he wrote, “I am a judge, but not a cop, an agent of vengeance or a babysitter. I don’t conduct my own investigation into players’ alleged performance-enhancing drug usage, nor do I seek to right past wrongs or protect “clean” players. If, and only if, baseball has punished someone for a violation, then I will factor that punishment into a candidacy.”

To that end, he emphatically supports assumed (but not proven) steroid users Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, and also questionable-by-association (absurd) candidates Mike Piazza and Jeff Bagwell. He did not vote for Rafael Palmeiro or Sammy Sosa because their failed drug test and corked bat incidents, respectively, damages their cases enough to fall off his ballot with other such qualified candidates. He did not state he would never vote for either player, just that their transgressions drop them below the threshold for this, a ballot lousy with no other such convicted players. 

His specific choices aside, I think he approached it the right way. He, as a writer and voter, is not the moral police and it bothers me when other voters and fans assume that role because of some almighty sense of entitlement. If there’s documented evidence, like in the cases of Palmeiro and Sosa, then that should by all means be considered. But as Davidoff also writes, The U.S. government couldn’t prove Bonds or Clemens used illegal PEDs, so who are any of us to punish them for it.

For what it’s worth, I’d have left Mike Mussina, Curt Schilling and Larry Walker off my ballot in favor of Tim Raines, Edgar Martinez and Craig Biggio. Not that the former three don’t deserve votes and potential enshrinement, but the latter three, in my opinion, are more deserving than they.

Kudos to Davidoff. His is a Hall of Fame ballot, in more ways than one.

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  • Charley’s Twin

    When I think Davidoff, I think about how shamelessly he carried the flag for the Wilpons for that outrageous smear of R.A. Dickey as they traded him away.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    This is the same reason why I don´t think it´s fair for various baseball publications to have left Cesar Puello off their top Mets prospects lists. He never failed a drug test. He´s always been considered a 5-tool prospect. He was one of the top players in minor-league baseball last year. There´s no doubt in my mind that he´s one of the Mets top prospects based on performance, and who am I to judge him based on ¨evidence¨ that is circumstantial at best?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I agree with this line of thinking….Although Mussina gets my nod over Martinez in my book.

  • slowp

    Sportswriters like Davidoff watched every day as steroids turned the game into a joke (and cost many non-users their jobs) and pretended not to see anything. He was too much of a b*tch to do his job then, and he’s too much of a b*tch to do his job now. He should give his ballot to someone who’ll take the job of voting seriously.

  • It’s good he owned up to voting in Lofton over Piazza last year

    “I made that embarrassing misevaluation last year and have corrected it.”

    He went too heavy using JAWS and WAR last year and it’s nice to see that he actually interpreted the data as opposed to taking it for face value.

  • I agree as well. IMO Martinez would be the weakest entry along with Blyleven. Mussina is on the fence but if you look at the fact that he literally missed no time and was so consistent it’s hard to overlook him.

  • Davidoff and I got heated enough on Twitter that we took it to email. Even though I disagreed with him he was very cool and was willing to talk to any who disagreed.

  • BCleveland3381

    Still remember when he went on Inside Pitch on XM radio and Jim Bowden absolutely crushed him. Davidoff admitted he didn’t even understand WAR or JAWS, what they meant or how they were calculated but those two statistics were the only reason he left Piazza off his ballot. I have always made sure to mention this in every post that he’s credited in.

    But I respect anyone who apologizes for their mistakes. We’re all human. I guess I’ll get off the guys’ back.

  • He was also crushed on Twitter and completely owned up to it. I even got Jay Jaffe (JAWS Creater for those who don’t know) on twitter to say Davidoff interpreted JAWS wrong.

  • Metstheory22

    I have a question with Bill Madden omitting Piazza on his ballot while stating that he never failed a drug test, but played during that era. Does not make sense to me. So he should omit EVERY player of that era, according to his thinking.

  • MetsFAN660

    Funny. Not a single negative comment about Dickey was ever attributed to the Wilpons. In fact, not a single negative comment was ever atributed to anyone, anywhere. Not one. Zero. Nada. Zilch. The Mets got a king’s ransom in return for Dickey, (who didn’t exactly light it up last year for the Jays), so maybe you should take some solace in that and give your hatred a rest. Or maybe you’d like to blame the Wilpons for the weather, too?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    The problem Dickey had was that he was more eloquent and wrote better than any journalist NY has seen since Mike Lupica in his hey day back in the 80’s.

    The guy has an English literature degree and quotes Shakespeare

    these reporters are used to talking to guys who would selling popcorn at the game if they couldnt play it.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Consistent on a BAD team for so long facing those monster Yankee teams when they were in their PRIME!

    And Mussina was also a TOP defender at his position winning numerous GG at the position. He was a stud as a youngster and pitched well as he aged and fielded his position…cant ask for more..

    If Biggio and other hitters can get in based on there consistency why not Mussina. Martinez is definitely a weak entry…dude became a fulltime DH after 6MLB seasons and he started putting up hall of fame numbers offensively starting at 32 if I remember. Before that he was ok

  • Agee’s Catch

    Greg Maddux should be off his ballot, too.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Its called Power hunger….it takes over in some…

    These bozo’s were given a priviledge to select the best players but they turned it into something else. They act as if they are The gate keepers and protectors of Baseballs hall of fame when in all actuality their job is to just vote on the best ball players.

    These writers are a joke…These idiots are even SELLING their votes…and they want to talk about INTEGRITY!!!

    http://deadspin.com/deadspin-buys-hall-of-fame-vote-will-turn-it-over-to-d-1467003665

    Its comical

  • Charley’s Twin

    You obviously have never worked in the media. Also, your username is out of date because of what the Wilpons have done to this franchise.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Is that you JEFF(Wilpon)?

  • Tired_OF_FakeRumors

    How much votes do you guys think Edgar Martínez will receive?

    I think its unfair to say that you wont vote for him because he was a Dh…I mean the MLB invented the position.

  • Charley’s Twin

    that’s true. He did hear me out, even if he did not have any good answers for his behavior.

  • Tired_OF_FakeRumors

    Is his book any good?

  • Charley’s Twin

    yep. It’s a tough read, but you’ll respect him even more afterwards

  • BCleveland3381

    Biggio is the biggest joke of a Hall of Fame player. He wasn’t even a good defensive 2B. He has 4 GG, but I think we all know how much of a sham those are. Everyone talks about how he did it clean, but Im not giving him a free pass on the steroid era. Biggio’s top 2 HR years? 26 and 24, at ages 38 and 39.

    He was a compiler that had a handful of really good years. But take into account his below average defense over his career, and see that his average career line over a 162 game season is…

    .281 AVG .363 OBP .796 OPS

    17 HR 67 RBI 24SB 38 2B.

    He was a really good leadoff hitter. But he’s no Hall of Fame player.

  • RichieGlanzer

    I was a regular on Ken’s blog. The man knows his baseball and more importantly, he knows when he’s wrong. He once got into a huge argument with me saying players that are 35 are never better than they were when they were 25. He cited Mariano Rivera.

    After looking at Mo’s stats…I told him that when Mariano pitches like he did when he was 25, Joba would be the new closer. (This was awhile back haha)

    Ken after arguing with me for almost a full day and 20 comments back and forth tipped his cap and admitted he was wrong.

    Having said that…he’s right a lot too. I hope you guys give him some slack.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    If you discredit his 2 gold gloves and call them a sham then you have to do the same for David Wrights…since Wright was a horrible defender those years and did not deserve them

    Are you willing to do that???

    If not Shhhhhhh

  • Macacawitz

    Piazza not getting in is an outrage. He’s being convicted on suspicion. I didn’t think we did that in this country. The HOF process has got to be altered in some way. Way to many hacks with an agenda hold a BBWAA membership card.

  • joeyd1966

    Wright may not have deserved the GG’s those years but you would be out of your mind to say he was horrible defensively those two seasons. He was good, not great. Horrible? That’s asinine. His defense was poor in 2010 and 2011 not 07 and 08. And just yesterday you said Chris Davis was a plus defender at third when he in fact was a horrible defender. Who taught you how to rate defense? Hopefully you didn’t pay.

  • goorru

    If Bill Mazeroski is in the Hall of Fame almost everybody else should be in.

  • Captain America

    What’s to stop the veterans committee from voting these guys in down the road?

    Cepeda was convicted and jailed for trying to pick up 150+ POUNDS of illegal drugs.

    Veterans committee voted him into the HOF.

  • Macacawitz

    Agree 100%.

  • BronxMets

    It bothers you? What when people see something wrong ey speak up? You are a coward and ken is a coward. YOU are the problem. What if we were talking about hard drugs or pedophilia you wouldn’t speak up?

    Shame shame on you

    Mike Piazza did steroids that’s a fact. When and if the truth ever comes out be here.

  • BronxMets

    That had zero affect on the game and didn’t keep non steroid users out of the game

  • BronxMets

    All he had to do was take a test every year of his career

  • BronxMets

    I would

  • BronxMets

    Thank Godnthere is at least one more person with a brain here

  • BCleveland3381

    That’s fine. I don’t really care if Wright has 10 gold gloves. Gold gloves are a meaningless award. But Wright’s have nothing to do with my argument. Do you do anything except troll on here?

  • Albin Henneberger

    The fact that steroid users are not in are a joke. They are a part of baseball history. Also steroids have been used since the early 1960’s, not to mention other drugs that everyone took. http://standingosports.com/main/2014/01/07/mlb-hall-fame-hall-shame-neglecting-steroid-users-neglects-baseball-history/

  • BCleveland3381

    The only thing Piazza admitted to doing was Andro, which was a legal, over the counter drug during a time when baseball was not testing for any banned substances. That’s the only thing that’s a fact. Anything else is pure speculation. There is nothing else based on any evidence or career numbers that show he was juicing.

    Even if he was cheating, The Hall of Fame isn’t the Hall of Morals, it’s to show future generations the all time greats of every era. When I take my kids to the hall of fame in 10 years, I want to be able to tell them about all the great players. Piazza, Jeter, Bonds, all of them were the greats of our generation, clean or not. The Hall of Fame is nothing more than a museum.

  • Metropolitan

    Joel Sherman and Jon Heyman are d-bags not voting for Mike Piazza ..I bet those two Yankee loving clowns would have him checked off if he was a Yankee

  • BronxMets

    So you were the only one at the party not drinking

  • jessepmmo

    I used to agree with you on Biggio… but I am starting to come around to be honest.

    Forget about compiling okay… take Biggio for the first 10 years of his career 89-98. From 89-92 he was the 2nd best 2B in the entire sport. From 93-98 he was the best.

    It’s hard for me to say a guy who was the best player at his position or at worst 2nd best over a 10 year span is not HOF worthy. He shouldn’t be compared to anybody but 2B, and 2B specific to his generation.

    I agree that he’s a tough one to vote in first ballot, no question – but you have to at least acknowledge that it is not easy to hit for 3,000 hits. You can’t discredit him for staying in the game because then lets just discredit Pete Rose while we’re at it for his hit totals.

    If the Hall of Fame is TRULY meant for the all time best to play the game, then Bonds, Clemens, Maddux, Glavine, Thomas, Piazza would be shoe ins and the rest would be up for debate

  • jessepmmo

    I think it’s because I owned him last year for it. That’s right, I’m taking all the credit!

  • jessepmmo

    Did you watch baseball during that time? What did you do about it? Everybody turned a blind eye to it

  • jessepmmo

    Well to be fair, Puello was implicated in a major PED investigation and actually suspended. There’s actual evidence against him to allow somebody to question whether he’s legit or not. Having a wait and see approach on a minor leaguer who was busted in connection to a PED scandal is not the same as questioning the merits of an entire career simply based on an era

  • dealingwithidiots

    Mike Piazza did steroids that’s a fact. When and if the truth ever comes out be here.

    You CLAIM it’s a fact – show proof. How can you say FACT, followed by IF the truth ever came up?

    Proof doesn’t mean replying with “you’re naive if you don’t believe it”

  • dealingwithidiots

    Wright obsessed huh?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Its called FACTS!!!!!

    Sorry I dont oggle over him like a teen girl as you do.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I said Davis was viewed as a PLUS defender and he was viewed as a plus defender in the minors and with the Rangers when called up…Has he regressed there as he has put on weight? maybe…probably explains why he was moved to 1B.

    Wright was a terrible defender he looked like Ryan Zimmerman out there throwing side arm to the stands over the 1st basemans head. You have your head up his butt thats why you cant see that. To Wrights credit he has improved immensely defensively but he was HORRIBLE and they gave him 2 gold gloves.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    It has EVERYTHING to do with your argument.

    Because you would attempt to penalize Biggio for his defense and discredit his Gold Glove awards yet if this was Wright most of you Mets fans would be using those Gold Gloves as more reason to vote Wright in

    Its called being BIAS!

  • BronxMets

    hey if that is the way you wan to teach your children wow have a nice life God Bless your kids hope they find the right way to live.

  • Captain America

    Is Cepeda the only convicted felon who served jail time who later was inducted into the hall of fame? What if a player killed someone – should they still be eligible?

  • BCleveland3381

    Yes BronxMets, my kids need to “find the right way to live”. I want to take them to the baseball HOF to show them the history of baseball(which includes steroids), so they’re obviously going to grow up to be crackheads. Whether you agree with my opinion on the HOF or not, add something to the conversation. More than just your usual stupidity, I mean.

  • BronxMets

    True sign you’ve been used attack me. Great job.

  • metFAN660

    That’s not true, but what would that matter anyway? Is there a quote anywhere? From anyone?

  • metFAN660

    That’s clever, Leroy. Can’t help notice that you ignore the facts. Again.

  • joeyd1966

    You need to take courses in scouting if you think he was horrible the two years he won the gold glove. He was good not great, shouldn’t have won the GG but to say he was horrible is to be absolutely clueless about the sport.

    Not only could you see with your eyes that he wasn’t horrible in 07 and 08 there are no stats even to back up your claim. 2010 he was poor and 2011 he was horrible not 07 or 08. It is you who has your head six feet up your own ass.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    And you need to be committed you nut…

    Wright was BRUTAL defensively…IDK what he did but he finally improved defensively DRASTICALLY starting in 2012

    Your nose is still lodged up his exit wound

  • dealingwithidiots

    I’m sorry, you have some serious issues. You turn every thread into a hate Wright thread and you say I oggle over him like a teen girl? Where do you get this crap? Seriously are you a 12 year old?

    So when someone calls you out for your immature crap, that is your standard reply, same as “Sandy Lover”

    Get a grip Big Bad Baby Boy

  • dealingwithidiots

    One more thing, learn the definition of FACT.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Calls me out pfft please…you search these threads for my name just so you can reply to me. You cant help yourself

    FYI I DONT hate Wright. I think he is one of the best 3rd basemen in the game right now.

    But unlike you im a REALIST not a fangirl like yourself. I’ll be honest about a player even if I like them.

    All of a sudden im the one dealing with an IDIOT…smh

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Youre an IDIOT

    #FACT
    #LESSONLEARNED

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    What facts????

    That journalists NEVER REAVEAL THEIR UNNAMED SOURCES???

    Stop being naive….3 people thumbed your comment down noone thumbed you up so what does that tell you…..

    No one is buying your garbage

    (no offense)

  • metFAN660

    Oh No! 3 thumbs down! I feel so alone and worthless. But please consider that journalists always reveal sources unless the source asks them for anonymity. Personally, I tend to give more credibility to sources who put their name to their quotes. You can put your blind faith in anonymous sources if you want, but that might make you more naive than me…regardless of how many thumbs down I collect. No offense.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    unless the source asks them for anonymity

    EXACTLY…Why would anyone in the Mets organization not ask for anonymity??? The rumor was spread for a reason…to lighten the blow of trading away a fan FAVORITE who came off an OUTSTANDING season….the average fan who spends tons of cash on mets games doesnt want to hear about prospects. they want to see there favorite players. But if you sully a guys reputation some people(like you) start to believe that crap and say who needs Dickey.

    MOST SOURCES are ANONYMOUS you have to sift through them. People RARELY if ever put their names on stories because of the backlash

    And the thumbs down thing has nothing to do with popularity and more to do with…you are in a tiny group that believes the Wilpons arent behind that.

  • dealingwithidiots

    How the frig am I a fan girl? Really do you wake up at night thinking of this BS? Realist? Another word misused – you are sad and pathetic.

    The thread had NOTHING to do with Wright, again, and you brought up his name AGAIN.

    SICK and OBSESSED – seek help

  • MetsFAN660

    Ummmm, no. Seriously. How many people work for the Mets…a few hundred? Ciould there possibly be someone…an assistant passed over for a promotion…a salesman who had his commission cut…an IT guy who was hoping they’d hire a friend…who might have an ax to grind? Beyond the obvious reason to take anonymous sources with a grain of salt…does it make ANY sense for an organization to de-value an asset they’re trying to deal? Look, I loved RA, too, but the likelihood of him repeating his 2011 was next to zero. They got two studs for him…and one is turning into a super-stud. Stop whining and making up reasons to bash the owners.

  • joeyd1966

    That’s what he does dealingwithidiots (perfect nickname btw). When he gets into these stupid debates that he’s always wrong in he calls you names or a Sandy lover. That’s what all of his ilk does because they can’t deal with facts. Instead of countering with a valid argument he resorts to name calling.

  • joeyd1966

    You’re so clueless and childish it’s not even worth schooling you. Anyone with the slightest bit of objectivity and a few functioning brain cells knows Wright was far from brutal in 07 and 08. Reading your posts in every other thread shows you just don’t have much in the way of baseball knowledge. Or class for that matter.

  • jason bay

    I’ll tell you who was brutal defensively in 2007 and 2008. DELGADO

    Man was he bad.