Tim Teufel Is Very High On Tejada and Flores

Mets third base coach Tim Teufel, dished a little about the state of the Mets infield, an infield that looks to be returning intact. Adam Rubin caught up with Teufel on Tuesday night at the B.A.T. Dinner in Manhattan.

Teufel joked about the “Who’s On First” controversy with both Ike Davis and Lucas Duda expected to compete in camp. “If somebody comes calling for a first baseman, we do have an extra one.”

ruben tejada

On Ruben Tejada

“I think he just got off to such a slow start last year,” Teufel said. “Him going to the camp and making an effort to come into camp in shape and ready to go…I think he’s done that. I’m looking forward to seeing him.”

“I think he’s a talented young man. I know he can hit. He hit .280 one year and is one of those guys that can get on base as well… I think this is going to be a different year for Ruben. I think he’s going have one of those nice rebound years and really solidify himself as a big-league shortstop.”

lucas duda

On Lucas Duda

“I saw a big confidence boost in him out in the field,” Teufel said. “For me, he looked more relaxed at first base. He’s been there before. He’s done that successfully in the minor leagues. They made him into an outfielder, so to speak, along the way. But his natural position is first base. I think he’s more comfortable. That’s a place where he thrives. Whether that relates to a big year with the bat, I don’t know. I don’t know if that makes him comfortable where all of a sudden he has this monster year with the bat. I think there’s less worry for him being in the infield rather than the outfield.”

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On Wilmer Flores

“He’s an interesting guy. He’s still young enough. For me to say he can’t play second base right now would be kind of a little bit foolish on my part, because the times that I’ve seen him, he’s had bad ankles.”

“He’s coming off injuries and sprains and was limited already. How much of an effect that had on his game remains to be seen. I can’t wait to see him in spring training as well. He’s an offensive player. He can hit and he handles the strike zone well. I think there’s something there. It’s just now seeing him at full strength. That’s what spring training is all about for me.”

Thoughts

I think it stinks that Flores will most likely be heading back to Triple-A. Here’s a team that could use a run producer in the worst way, and you have Duda, Tejada and probably Omar Quintanilla all making the team, while their top major league ready bat will be heading to back Vegas with nothing left to prove.

In my opinion, the biggest casualty of this unresolved first base situation was not creating room for Flores to play everyday. That was the move… If 2014 is really all about 2015, we needed to see what we had in Flores. He’s the potential core player for this team, not those two lumberjacks we currently have at first base now… I mean am I right or wrong on this?

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  • diehardmets

    The correct move was trading the overrated and cost-escalating Murphy. This could have given us another close to MLB ready prospect that could still help in 2014 or 2015, provide salary relief, and open a hole for the best pure hitter in the system. Flores does not have the bat to stick at 1B.

  • sperry

    And if Flores couldn’t play second?

  • Albert Hidalgo

    The fact that there isn’t any urgency to move wilmer to first leaves one to believe that he’s not in the plans moving forward unless they move Murphy I guess they view him as a trade chip What A Joke!!!

  • The correct move to trade Murphy. We don’t know that Flores is a good 2nd baseman. We don’t know yet if he can hit the the majors. Murphy is not over rated & is worth the money .WE know he can hit & he is an average 2nd baseman.

  • William Joseph

    if you can call Murphy’s .286 13hr 78rbi 92 runs 38 doubles 4 triples 23 stolen bases overrated, and find a guy to replace that for less than 6 mil and play adequate 2nd base, you are GM of the year. Don’t forget he’s done this in a pitchers park at Citi field for the most part, in lineups that lacked much help (Wright has been out alot over the last few years) so whoever replaces him should be coming here with numbers better than Murph’s. , Murphy has been our best hitter, he’s still young and improving…and seems like the kind of guy that will give the Mets a hometown discount to re-sign when free agency comes. Watch him in this lineup with Wright, Grandy, Young, and hopefully a better Ike or Duda this year and you’ll see Murphy hitting .300, scoring 100 runs,

  • MetsFanSantaMonica

    couldnt agree more. i have been saying all winter that murph is primed to break out this season. im predicting he ll be the starting 2 b at the all star game and will compete for the batting title. if he does, he could have a top 10 mvp finish this year.

  • Jamie

    To me its between Flores and Murphy for 2nd and I like them both. Flores could have one of the best bats in the game as a 2nd baseman. He’s rated as a top ten prospect right now there. He has one of the best hit tools of anyone coming up through our organization in years. As a first baseman, I don’t think he would ever be able to produce enough power to keep him there and he’s obviously blocked at 3rd. Im ok with Flores getting a little more time at 2nd in Vegas and hopefully mashing a bit to get his confidence up. If Murphy is hitting mid-season one should be a very good chip for somebody. I just done see a world where you can keep them both. I also know Flores will nevr have a lot of range, but the few times Ive seen him at 2nd, he’s been ok. He came up a SS and has soft hands.

  • Jamie

    A few things could happen this year that we really don’t have a any idea about yet. Everyones focused on Montero and Thor making their debuts, and rightfully so, but what if Puello and Flores push their way onto the roster? What if Ike Davis rebounds even slightly to at least being a 20+ home run guy again? Is any of that overly outlandish?? How does that change the landscape of the team? What if Murphy brings back a premium piece and you have Flores, Ike(good Ike), and Puello all hitting in the lineup?

  • Jamie

    Puello, D’Arnaud, Wright, Davis, Flores, Granderson, Young/Lagares, Tejada could be a formidable lineup assuming a couple of these kids can hit.

  • Pike Miazza

    I watched all 162 Mets games last year, was Flores wearing a different jersey?
    Because I didn’t see him hit…..

  • diehardmets

    Flores is a better offensive player, is cheaper, and is under team control longer, and I believe he can play 2B. Murphy is at peak value currently. That is the time to trade, especially with an in house replacement ready.

  • Jamie

    Yeah… In those whopping 95 at bats playing on an injured ankle as a 21 year old. Good point.

  • Pike Miazza

    95 is plenty of at bats & he was worse before he even injured his ankle. Pay attention.

  • Pike Miazza

    “He’s rated as a top ten prospect right now there..”
    So what….do your math & calculate how many top prospects pan out & how many fail.

  • Pike Miazza

    “but what if Puello and Flores push their way onto the roster?”
    what if someone kills a pregnant sasquatch on The 10 million dollar sasquatch hunt?

  • Jamie

    In what? a week or two? 95 professional at bats is enough to make a decision on one of our top prospects??? lol. He has demolished pitching at every single level. You’d have to be on drugs to think he won’t at least be a solid every day hitter. His only question is his position. He’s freaking 22.

  • jamie

    Yes… so outlandish to think that two of our most promising young hitters who absolutely demolished their levels one year ago would continue to hit and make our team at some point. How could something like that ever happen?

  • Jamie

    This isn’t a top prospect years away your wishing upon a star. He has dominated every single level and has nothing left to prove. He’s ready and he’s 22. Get a clue.

  • Mike Lloyd

    No Joe . You are right. They talk about financials and being smart business wise…yet you take a team who has a young affordable impact bat, is dying for offense and you logjam him behind two 1B who are totally flawed and behind a player who is entering his prime and is becoming expensive. If you tell me Murphy could be dealt for salary relief and a trade or signing to follow making Ruben Tejada a backup at both positions I’m seeing a boost offensively up the middle…this lineup still needs power, and Flores has, and will develop more power.

  • Fonzie

    95 is not plenty of AB’s. To judge a 22 year old kid on 95 AB’s is absolutely insane. Flores has everything you want in a young hitter. He makes consistent contact. Hits to all fields. Has a knack for driving in runs. Has a short compact swing. And has been developing power the last two years. Also has a very high baseball IQ and good instincts which you can’t teach.

  • Hotstreak
  • Fonzie

    As much as I love Flores as a prospect he’s got ways to go before you can call him a better offensive player than Murphy. I believe he can be but he’ll have to do it first. Murphy is an average offensive player, I agree Met fans seem to overrate him. Using counting stats instead of rate stats is the reason why. He was 286/319/415 last year, if he was 286/370/450 like he should be then they would have a better argument. Counting stats accumulated in 700 AB’s does not impress me.

  • Flores can flat out hit and more importantly drive in runs. Before he hurt the ankle he was driving in runs at a great rate. So yeah he showed he could produce. Now after he injured his ankle pretty badly. He did two things, never complained about it or used it as an excuse. He played through pain. Idk about you but swinging a bat with authority takes the use of your legs and feet. I mean, if you know anything about hitting you would know a bum ankle will impede that greatly. If given the chance he will hit anywhere between 275 and 300 with 15 to 22 home runs. He has power and he is also still filling out. He is 6’3, not a small guy. He is also far more advanced as a hitter at this stage in his brief career than either Ike Davis or The dud that is Duda. He may not have Ike’s raw power but, I would take 280, 15 and 100 rbi’s over 225 35 and 85 rbi’s. Now Flores lacks a lot of foot speed, though he spent this offseason once his ankle healed up working on his foot speed. Which will increase his range a bit. He has soft hands and a strong arm. He has played shortstop, second base, third and first. There has even been talk of letting him play some shortstop. Who knows, he could pull it off with good coaching and good positioning from hitter to hitter like many other larger shortstops that did not have great natural range but positioned themselves well. This kid can rake and he will rake if it is with the Mets, who knows but, given the a chance, he will hit.

  • William Joseph

    Flores hitting .320 in Vegas, and averaging .290 on the way up doesn’t tell me he’s better than Murphy offensively. If you ask me, Flores is the one who is overrated. Murph has been hitting around .300 in the majors for the last few years…

  • William Joseph

    lets not forget Flores hit well (didnt demolish) in AAA in the PCL where everybody hits…even Ike did for a few weeks last year. He also has to figure out what position he’s good enough at. ..and Puello now has to prove that he can hit without a PED cloud hanging over him.

  • Nolrog

    And then he’ll cure the sick and heal the earth.

  • Flatbush0460

    Correct sir, we have the twin towers of disappointment at first currently throwing a wrench into our future plans. If only Sandy could come to grips with the concept of addition by subtraction. Duda and Davis should both be history by now.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    95 is plenty of at bats–Pike Miazza

    Soooooooooooooooo…….According to you, 95+ At bats is enough to judge what a player is and will be…

    INTERESTING!!!

    Soooooooooooooooo……..whomever put up these stats below must suck Monkey nutz, Correct?

    “123 At bats,30K, .220AVG,.281OBP, .390OPS”

    GUESS WHO????

    Give up???

    That Guy
    vvvvvvvv

  • Nolrog

    What difference does that make? Murphy can’t play second. Duda can’t play first or the outfield.

  • Agee’s Catch

    Couldn’t get him to comment on Ike Davis?

  • Super T

    As previously already stated – The potential biggest disappointment of the off season will be starting the 2014 season with the same 1B (Davis/Duda) & SS (Tejeda) combo we ended 2013 with.

    Kind of takes the air out of the moves Sandy has already made when he couldn’t do ANYTHING about either one of those positions.

  • Super T

    He did most of his hitting wearing a Las Vegas 51s uniform.

  • Super T

    As previously already stated – The potential biggest disappointment of the off season will be starting the 2014 season with the same 1B (Davis/Duda) & SS (Tejeda) combo we ended 2013 with.

    Kind of takes the air out of the moves Sandy has already made when he couldn’t do ANYTHING about either one of those positions.

  • Benny

    “What are your thoughts on Ike Davis?”

    “No comment.”

  • Benny

    “he was worse before he even injured his ankle.”

    What an ignorant and totally incorrect comment! Were you even watching???

  • Benny

    “He’s the potential core player for this team, not those two lumberjacks we currently have at first base now…”

    That was just perfectly stated!

  • Matt Mosher

    Lucas Duda can be sent down the river for a case of sunflower seeds for all I care.

  • Charley’s Twin

    This is depressing

  • Charley’s Twin

    I don’t care if the sunflower seeds are used

  • Biggle Boy

    It’s too soon to confidently predict Flores will hit @.280 with 15HRs and 100RBI. That remains to be proven at the ML level. If Ike shows enough in ST to man 1B, Murph is at 2B, and Tejada at SS, then there is no position for Flores, now. So it would be best for him to play every day in Vegas until some spot opens up via trade, injury, or Ike’s failure to hit.

  • Benny

    Could you just imagine what could’ve been?

    Could you just imagine what a competent rebuilding phase could’ve turned out for us…

    I mean forget the fact of not trading Reyes for a moment, how about the inability of this FO to let go of Wright, and potentially setting this team up for success in the long run, instead of spending a whopping $138 million on a player who will most likely be past his prime once we become true contenders.

    The potential deals we could’ve gotten are just immense when you start thinking about the teams that may have had interest (in need of a thirdbaseman), and the grade A prospects they could’ve thrown our way.

    We would have a complete team right now, even Flores would have a position to play.

  • Benny

    And the fans who disagree with this sentiment are really fans of Wright, more than they are fans of the Mets. Remember: you root for the name on the front of the jersey, NOT the name on the back!

  • Andrew Herbst

    I think we have to decide this year about where to play Flores. If Murph is hitting well, then maybe we could play Flores at 2nd and trade Murph at the deadline.

  • METS62FAN

    JOE D. TO ANSWEWR YOUR RHETORICAL, “… I mean am I right or wrong on this?” I WOULD HAVE TO REPLY WITH AN AFFIRMATIVE.

    CERTAINLY IT WOULD APPEAR THAT BY TRADITIONAL STANDARDS WILMER IS SURELY READY TO STICK AS A HITTER; BUT SABREMETRICALLY. HIS EVALUATION APPEARS TO STILL BE ‘UP FOR DISCUSSION’

    IT SEEMINGLY WOULD APPEAR AS IF HIS “DEVELOPMENT FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION WENT UNDER THE TOUR BUS LATE LAST SEASON WITH LIMITING HIM TO THE ONE FORSEEABLY UNAVAILABLE, POSITION [3B]

    AS EVERYONE APPEARS READY TO HAND HIM 1B. I MUST ASK, HOW CAN U CHOOSE A COMPLETE UNKNOWN FOR 1B TO BE INVOLVED IN NEARLY EVERY GROUNDBALL PLAY @ A POSITION HE IS UNPROVEN @ OVER 2 WHO CAN LIKELY PROVIDE BETTER DEFENSIVE SKILLS IN THEIR SLEEP?

    RELEASING TURNER MADE IT APPEAR AS IF THEY’D CHOSEN TO HAVE FLORES TAKE UP THAT ALL IMPORTANT UTILITY INFIELD ROLE WITH MORE OFFENSIVE POTENTIAL; BUT YOU NEVER WANT GOOD TALENT BEING SPLINTER RECEPTAICLES

    ANOTHER NOTE ABOUIT OUR INFIELD THAT HAS RECEIVED VERY LITTLE ATTENTION BY THE TYPICALLY FURROWING DETAILS PRESS IS TEJADA’S CLAIMS OF BEING INSTRUCTED TO “BULK UP” FOR MORE POWER POTENTIAL IN SEPT.,’12 BY HUDGENS. WHEN THE UNSOPHISTIATED “KID” REPORTED WITH FLAB BULK INSTEAD OF MUSCLE BULK HE WAS THROWN UNDER THE BUS RATHER THAN INTO THE GYM LABELING THE PLAYER, UNCOACHABLE ALONGSIDE DAVIS INSTEAD OF LABELING THE COACH INCOMPETANT AS THE TEAM OBP HAS WORSENED NOT IMPROVED UNDER HIS COACHING DIRECTIONS

    IT HAS LONG BEEN UNDERSTOOD THAT WHEN A ROSTER FAILS TO ACHIEVE IT’S TARGETED ATTAINABLE GOALS THROUGH COMPETITION THE MANAGER, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS WEAR THE BULLSEYE; HOWEVER NOT ON THIS TEAM! AS HUDGENS WAS DIRECTLY IMPORTED FROM OAKLAND TO CREATE THE HIGH OBP LINEUP THAT MAKES SABREMATICIANS SWOON HUDGENS’ EFFORTS HAVE RESULTED IN ONE OF THE HIGHEST STRIKEOUT RATES IN THE NL ALONG WITH THE 3rd LOWEST OBP IN THE NL.

    EVERY SINGLE MiLB PROMOTEE FAILED TO MAINTAIN THEIR CAREER PACE IN OFFENSE [LAGARES,NIEUWENHUIS,denDECKER,d’ARNOUD, DAVIS, DUDA, FLORES] HAVE ALL FAILED TO PROVIDE PROJECTED OFFENSIVE RESULTS AS HAD BEEN LOGICALLY ANTICIPATED/PROJECTED..

    IMO, THAT SPELLS F-A-I-L-U-R-E TO SUCH A DEGREE A DRASTIC ALTERATION IN APPROACH SHOULD BE MANDATED.
    FORGET DREW!
    WHERE IS THAT ALTERNATE “ASSISTANT” HITTING INSTRUCTOR?

    IMO, THIS “PATIENCE” & PITCH RECOGNITION APPROACH IS PRIMARILY BEST PRACTICED BY LOWER ACHIEVING VETERANS WITH COUNTLESS MLB ABs AS A BACKDROP FOR LEARNING & DISCERNING. CERTAINLY NOT FOR A NOVICE, IMPRESSED BY EVERY MLB BREAKER GOOD & BAD THROWN WHILE BEHIND IN THE COUNT. TYPICALLY THAT AS LAST YEAR HAS PROVED RESULTS IN A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF STRIKE 3s! BOTH WILDLY SWUNG @ & CALLED LOUDLY!

    WHAT IS IT WITH THIS TEAM’S DESIRE FOR FORMULA ACHIEVEMENTS BE IT PETERSON’S COOKIE CUTTER PITCHING APPROACH OR HUDGENS ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH TO THE PLATE.

    AS FAR AS I HAVE EVER DISCERNED, TEAMS WITH A SPECIFIC “WAY” TO GO ABOUT THEIR BASEBALL BUSINESS OF COMPETITION, BE IT ST LOUIS, ATLANTA, NYY OR BOSOX TYPICALLY START WITH A HOMOGENIOUSLY CREATED ROSTER[“THE WHO”] GENERALLY ALLOWED TO COALLESCE IN A CHOSEN DIRECTION AS THE “WHERE” AS EACH PLAYER HAS DEVELOPED THEIR OWN PARTICULAR”WHAT” TO BRING TO HIS GAME IN HIS PERSONAL WAY.

    IN THE NATIONAL LEAGUE MUCH IS MADE OF “THE ST LOUIS WAY” WHILE STAN MUSIAL, TOMMY HERR, OZZIE SMITH, VINCE COLEMAN & KEITH HERNANDEZ ALL PROVIDED THEIR “WHATS” UNDER THE GENERAL UMBRELLA DEFINED AS “THE CARDINAL WAY!”

  • Metjorge

    Agree. Duda and Davis already had their chance. I’d make Flores the every day 1B. Trade Davis. Make Duda a bench player LH pinch hitter. It is about 2015.

  • Flores should be entered into the 1B competition this Spring. Seriously, the best player should get the job, and the worst goes to AAA. This is not rocket science. At this point, if Ike is the worst he’s a lost cause for us anyway. If it’s Duda then we will gladly send him down. If it’s Flores then get him everyday AAA at-bats. Wow. It’d be nice if we were in the business of letting the best guys play.

  • Eric88

    Flores simply must be our everyday 1st baseman. They have to stop jerking this kid around or they may ruin a talent. My team I release Ike, free up his money, send DUDA to the Minors and thus add the future and a reliable RBI bat. His body type will mature now, he will gain power. His future is NOT second base.

  • Eric88

    Duda is slow footed and plays a lousy 1 base. His footwork and his receiving the ball positioning awful.

  • Dave Rosenbluth

    A lot of talk here about Flores at 1B. Consider this: his glove work at his best position-3B-is considered average at best. His weakness appears to be his quickness and feet, which are truly the best skills to have as a 1B. He has never played the position to any long term degree in minors. If you want that to happen he has to go to Vegas and play 1B at least 1/2 the year before you give him the job. It would be irresponsible of the FO to just hand over the position without a real extended time there. Once that is done, I’m all for it.

  • Agee’s Catch

    It would be to early to predict .325/30/140.

    .280/15/100? Flores can do that in his sleep.

  • Agee’s Catch
  • Name

    Do you not remember the nine RBIs that first week?That was when he got the injury.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    EXACT-A-MUNDO!!!

    I couldnt have said it any better…Spot on…on all your points

    This was SUPPOSED to be a true rebuild but it wasnt, although we’ve been losing like it was…

    Just look at the Astros and Cubs Farm system right now…FULLY LOADED

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    THIS

    Another direct hit….

  • Charley’s Twin

    standing ovation. I was screaming for them to trade Wright for the exact reasons you are saying. If you’re going to rebuild, then do it right. God this team drives me crazy

  • Benny

    ” If you’re going to rebuild, then do it right.”

    Perfectly stated!

  • Charley’s Twin

    and the astros new owner has $$$$. I would trade places with them in a heartbeat

  • Name

    In your scenerio, Murphy goes and Duda stays? Did you know that Murphy has played adecent first base before?

  • Biggle Boy

    Not until he proves it while he’s wide awake facing ML pitching for a full season.

  • Edward

    Agreed. That would be like giving up on darnaud after his 99 abs.

  • Edward

    Tore up winterball too.

  • Are you guys commenting on a post or playing Battleship?

    But seriously, this was one of the most half-assed rebuild I’ve ever seen. They’ve kept one foot in with the other foot out.

    The only good things have been the three trades of Byrd, Dickey, Beltran. That’s where the rebuild essentially begins and ends.

    In a true rebuild, you trade Hairston, Reyes, Isringhausen, etc. too.

    In a true rebuild you take a look at guys like Duda/Davis, do an assessment and decide if they are core players or not and move on.

    So this has definitely not been your classic rebuild.

    Now that they’ve signed Grandy, CY, Colon it’s a sign the rebuild that never really was is over?

    We’ll see…

    In my opinion we should be able to compete and play for the long and short term future at the same time. Just like the Cardinals do.

  • Texas Mets Fan Since 1979

    Read a lot of the responses, and believe that 1) Duda is better for us at 1B over Ike at the moment, but that can change easily in Spring Training as both are barely there. 2) Satin is the other option and there should be a platoon unless we see either Duda or Davis showcase they have some material skills hitting against LHP, which I have yet to see. 3) Murphy and Chris Young need to be traded mid-year to give Flores the job at 2B. You then move Young Jr. to the outfield and try your best to get him to be a legitimate leadoff hitter.

    I dream of a lineup that will have:

    1) Young, Jr.
    2) Flores
    3) Wright
    4) Granderson
    5) Duda
    6) d’Arnaud
    7) Lagares
    8) Tejada

    I think this lineup could produce 4-5 runs a game and then our pitching could be lethal at giving up 3-4 runs and we’re all of a sudden in the playoff discussion.

  • skyhappysal

    Dealing Ike or Duda wasn’t going to open up a position for Wilmer. Flores’ best case scenario is to beat out Satin as the backup corner infielder who starts against most lefties. That was going to be true even if one of the lefty swingers was dealt. Of course if he wins that job then he can try to make a case for more at bats.
    The best thing for him and the Mets may be for him to go down and play 3rd base evrtyday and mash in Vegas and get included in a deal. Of course I will be more than happy if he asserts himself into an everyday role with the Mets, I just don’t see it. Our offense isn’t good enough to carry defensive black holes. (see Lucas Duda in the OF)

  • skyhappysal

    We are probably better off dealing Murphy and Flores and letting Young have 2nd. The defense would be better and we will likely need more stick in the OF.

  • skyhappysal

    I don’t share your opinion of him defensively at 1st Eric. I am basing that mostly on what I saw when he filled in for Ike during Valley Fever (assuming the fever is gone) – admittedly i didn’t get to watch him much at first last year.

  • skyhappysal

    Why must he be the 1st baseman? I am not sure how you came to that point. I am not someone who insists that the first baseman be left handed so that doesn’t matter. And I don’t care so much that he is raw at the position (much more so than Duda) – maybe he has been working out at first all off season…
    His minor league numbers were at times nice, very nice is he had found a way to stay at SS, but were they better than what Ike and Duda did at AA and AAA?

  • If the Mets don’t end up adding a SS from outside the organization then like Teufel said they better hope he has one of those nice rebound years cause while I like Quintanilla as a backup SS if he ends up starting in 90 plus games that will not most likely end up being a good thing for the Mets.
    Back in 2012 I was impressed with the overall season he had as young as he was nicknaming him Mr. Tejada to show the respect I had gained for him. It was surprising/disappointing to find out that when he was sent down last year it turns out the reason he was not called back up was at least in my opinion to send a message to him for getting comfortable in his position and not continuing to work as hard as apparently he once did.
    In regards to Flores the thing I keep remembering is that it is not as if he is going anywhere and you don’t force a trade to make a spot for him if one that benefits the team is not there.
    I’ve been of the opinion that trading Murphy is an option because you could place Flores in at 2B and according to reports Flores bat may end up as good or better than that of Murphy’s but again the Mets should only trade Murphy if it results in helping fill an immediate need somewhere else on the team not just to make a spot for Flore in my opinion.
    Now with Duda & Davis there I would consider moving them just to make a spot for Flores either in moving Murphy to 1B and Flores to 2B or the other way around.

  • skyhappysal

    If we were in need of a first baseman and those two were available we would be taking a shot with either one. It is dissapointing that we werent able to convert one to something useful but maybe we have twice the chance of someone stepping up.

  • BCleveland3381

    It may not be ideal that Wilmer Flores’ bat starts in AAA, but he needs to work on his glove, whether its at 1B or 2B. He cant be in the lineup until he’s ready to play one of those positions on the major league level.

  • BehindTheBag

    If Flores goes to AAA and he’s working anywhere but 3B as a trade chip or 1B as our fallback plan for the Duda/Davis poop sandwich, it’s a terrible mistake.

  • vigouge

    In a true rebuild, you trade Hairston, Reyes, Isringhausen, etc. too.

    The last rebuild we did exactly what you say caused this one to be half assed and what we got was Victor Diaz and Royce Ring. There’s no evidence whatsoever that Harriston or Isrinhausen would have brought back anything of value unless you want another Niewenhuis type prospect. Heck by that measure if they wanted a real rebuild, why bother signing either of those players at all?

  • vigouge

    Exactly, trade a player who will sign to a below market contract in order to then sign a free agent to a market level contract. I too would like to pay 40m more for the same level of performance just to get 2-3 prospects.

  • Texas Mets Fan Since 1979

    Don’t disagree with that, but worried that asking Young Jr. to be our every day leadoff hitter isn’t the best option long term without a solid bat behind him, which not sure where that will come from.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Joe D.,

    I agree that Flores’ bat could help us. But doesn’t he need reps at 1B in AAA before he comes up full time? How much 1B has Flores played so far? Unless they move Murphy to 1B, 2B isn’t available for Flores. Where ever Flores plays, be it at AAA or the big club, he has to play every day.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Agreed.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Spot on. Since Murphy is already at 2B and Flores’ defense at 2B is questionable, I think Flores should play 1B every day in AAA until he is ready. The Duda or Davis / Satin platoon will probably be holding down that position until Flores is ready.

  • Hotstreak

    Benny you are in the money spot on. I been saying the same thing to a biased DW crowd. My favorite player is Murphy. I got his autograph and had an interesting talk with him about Wally. Murphy is my type of Met. However I would trade him if the return for him really was an upgrade for the team. Root for the front of jersey not the back. By the way I would be sorry to see EITHER Wright or Murphy go, but the days of rooting for players are over. We root for the team as players are replaceable.

  • BarnRat

    What position was Flores playing in winter ball?

  • RyanF55

    It’s funny how these statements of confidence come after the coaches know that no further roster moves are going to happen. It sounds to me like this is quite a convenient time to ring an endorsement. Where was this a couple months ago when they all thought Tejada wouldn’t be starting March 31st?

  • Bromancer

    I agree with you re: Flores, Joe D. Where you may not agree with me, however, is that we should make room for the kid, at his natural position, by moving Wright.

    Here’s my case:

    We just have too many more holes to fill, and very limited ways in
    which to fill them. We can’t afford good free agents, and, even if we could, spending on them now would be foolish. There’s not much, offensively, on the farm. We shouldn’t trade any good pitching prospects; they’re at the heart of a successful rebuild. We don’t have anyone else of value to trade, with one glaring exception.

    D. Wright is not just the face of this franchise, he’s its ball and chain. Move him, while you still can, reap the benefits, and aim for success in this decade. Then, when things start to gel, that’s when you expend assets to add the last, few missing pieces.

    I’m fantasizing, I know, because this dysfunctional franchise is drowning, and has put marketing ahead of product, but, a boy can dream, right?

  • Vin

    Nah, it was and is a rebuild. It’s just a rebuild within a framework.

    Reyes was a missed opportunity, but you want to integrate young, high-end talent with existing leadership / talent. They chose Wright for that, and that’s logical. Guys like Hariston don’t get you much but, like Isringhausen, have some value to your upcoming players (just ask Parnell).

    The recent signings aren’t going to hold this team back as 2 of them are for 2 yrs or less and Granderson is likely movable, if necessary, so long as X$ in salary is eaten.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    “marketing ahead of product”

    I’ve been saying this FOR YEARS

  • Just_Da_damaja

    who did we trade for Diaz and Royce Ring ?

  • Taskmaster4450

    Jeffy will never allow that. So forget about moving Wright.

    He is Jeffy’s “Ambassador”.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Do you feel that Wright had more trade value prior to his extension last offseason, or now? The former was lower cost, but only one year; the latter is much higher cost, but a pretty reasonable annual salary with control through 2020.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Remember the wars, my friend? You, Chest, and I suggesting that trade?

  • Taskmaster4450

    Do you not think it possible for management to change their view of an employee. The FO (and perhaps the coaches) were unhappy with Tejada. That is no secret. However, it appears Tejada did everything they asked of him to get himself ready for 2014. So why wouldnt management change their opinion of him? Or are you saying that they should still hold it against him what he didnt do last offseason as opposed to what he is doing now?

  • Bromancer

    I advocated for a trade then that involved a negotiated long-term deal with the receiving team. That said, my answer to your question is now, and that waiting is very risky.

  • Bromancer

    I’m still persona non grata at MetsBlog because of it — and proud of it.

  • RyanF55

    In reference to Duda…

    “For me, he looked more relaxed at first base. I think there’s less worry for him being in the infield rather than the outfield.” They made him into an outfielder, so to speak, along the way. But his natural position is first base.”- Tim Teufel

    “As of today, I would expect Lucas to get some time in the outfield, but that will be decided just before spring training,” – Sandy Alderson

    …It’s nice to see the front office consistently on the same page. There is so much disconnect and difference of strategy within the organization it’s nauseating.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    To me, it reads more like a loss mitigation strategy. A true rebuild would cause a steeper decline in short-term attendance/profit; something a financially healthy organization could handle.

    The puzzling decisions you mentioned seem to support keeping butts in seats, an indication that financial health is not strong at all.

    My feeling is that they’re spending the absolute minimum necessary, and hoping that they strike it rich with a playoff appearance in the next few years. Simultaneously, I’m sure they’ll be trying to kick the financial can down the road again, what with over $1B in obligations due between two big loan repayments and the Madoff settlement coming due.

  • RyanF55

    I’m saying this team is completely two faced about how they approach everything. I’m sure the Mets will say how much the love Ike Davis too now. Spare us the total BS confidence pitch in-lieu of admitting they failed at acquiring anything better at either position. They don’t like Tejada, they just know he’s all they got.

  • Bail4Nails

    Does anyone else find it odd that Teufel had nothing to say about Ike Davis? He spoke about Tejada, Duda, and Flores, and then that quote about having an extra first baseman. After reading Ron Davis’ remarks yesterday, I’m getting the impression that Ike is a goner.
    As for any moves or trades, I’m waiting for the Tanaka deadline tomorrow. Once he goes, all the chips will fall, and we’ll see who needs a pitcher. I know Sandy’s not a big fan of trades, but I can’t see any other reason why we’ve been stagnant so long.
    If we actually keep these same characters from last year, I think I will lose my mind. So, I have to keep hope alive that Diaz and Drew are still available. If we have to trade, Owings, Franklin, or by some miracle Miller become available. I know someone’s going to shoot this all down, but for the sake of my sanity, please let me live with this fantasy until March, when all hope will be lost.

  • Bromancer

    True that — institutionalized mediocrity as a strategic hedge against further losses.

  • Charley’s Twin

    With one year to go on his deal the Mets could have gotten a massive haul for Wright. Such a shame they have absolutely no idea what they’re doing

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    You should probably check the news real quick. haha.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Davis is going to leave, revitalize his career with a real organization, and we’re going to be stuck with that oompa loompa moron Lucas Dud that so many on here seem to want to see.

  • Hotstreak

    I been saying that all along. Either rebuild or contend. Its very difficult to do both.

  • R04

    You are dumb, that is all.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    I was wondering why you had to respawn as “SonOfBromancer.” 🙂

  • Charley’s Twin

    It would be nice to know how many people got banned on there. I decided to keep my second name

  • Bromancer

    And then “ReturnOfSonOfBromancer — you know, playing on the monster movie motif (I wanted to haunt them). They even went so far as to block my workplace IP, denied doing so, and then ignored me — but I have friends in IT, and “won”.

  • Bromancer

    I see that, and you got contacts!

  • chago

    “I think it stinks that Flores will most likely be heading back to Triple-A. Here’s a team that could use a run producer in the worst way, and you have Duda, Tejada and probably Omar Quintanilla all making the team, while their top major league ready bat will be heading to back Vegas with nothing left to prove.

    In my opinion, the biggest casualty of this unresolved first base situation was not creating room for Flores to play everyday. That was the move… If 2014 is really all about 2015, we needed to see what we had in Flores. He’s the potential core player for this team, not those two lumberjacks we currently have at first base now… I mean am I right or wrong on this?”

    You are absolutely right . I have been saying all off season that 1st base should be Flores spot to lose going into ST. If we are building a youthful team constructed to compete for the long haul there is no other real consideration necessary unless he shows up in Port St Lucie and lays an egg .

  • WillisReid

    I don’t see how that is conflicting. Duda looked more comfortable at 1B, but as long as Ike is here he’s not the 1B.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Who could say no to a face like that?

  • chago

    Ryan get with the program . Don’t you know whatever Richie does is ok with some of these guys , even if he is saying something different as he does it . He could take a dump on some of these guys heads and they would rationalize it so that it was exactly what he needed to do to improve the Mets .

    And what a brilliant dump it is.! Never in the history of mankind have eyes gazed on a dump so beneficial to a ML franchise as Richie’s dump !

  • chago

    I believe he played the majority of his games at 2nd .

  • WillisReid

    Better chance Davis leaves and is the same player he was as a Met.

  • WillisReid

    I don’t see why the Mets invest the money they did this offseason and then turn around and deal their best player. Doesn’t make sense to me.

  • WillisReid

    Why would Wright do that a year from FA, he could wait and negotiate with more teams as a FA? He did what he did because he wanted to stay here.

  • SRT

    Sure he did. You’ll want to click on Rubin to read the entire article. Here’s what he had to say:

    On Davis’ 2013 lapses in the field, including some issues scooping
    infielders’ throws, Teufel said: “His best attribute is his footwork.
    His footwork is tremendous around the bag. He’s got tremendous ability
    of moving his foot from one corner of the bag to the other and making it
    look smooth and saving some throws that might have been a little bit
    errant. But I think his moving around and his gait was a little bit slow
    on balls off the bag. Spring training is a place we need to work on
    that. Other players have had that in the past and we seem to have been
    able to fix it as a staff. I think that’s what going to happen this
    spring. I think he’s going to be a better defensive player. Two, you
    have to separate your offense from your defense. I think having a tough
    year offensively always hurts somebody defensively.”

  • chago

    I like that you want to include Flores in your everyday lineup but 4 or 5 runs a game consistently from that lineup ? IMO opinion that would mean that Tejada would have to rebound completely to 2012 form , Jr , Lagares , d’Arnaud and Duda would have to make good strides forward offensively . Flores would need to hit the ground running immediately and fulfill or outproduce expectations Wright would need to be Wright for at least 145 games and Grandy would need a big rebound season for last years injury plagued campaign . That is a lot of wishful thinking and meeting and/or exceeding expectations and projections. Impossible no , improbable yes .

    I think the pitchers have a better shot of meeting your expectations/projection than the hitters do. And I wouldn’t bank on that one either .

  • Bail4Nails

    Thanks. Sorry to everyone for being late on the Tanaka news.

  • chago

    “His weakness appears to be his quickness and feet, which are truly the best skills to have as a 1B.”

    His quickness , feet and therefor range are the reason he had to move off SS and make him a question as to his viability as a 2nd baseman . That does not in any way mean that his quickness , feet and range are not at least adequate at a corner IF position add to that his soft hands and strong arm and he could very well become above average at a corner with some hard work . We are a team building for the future now is the time to find out who are the keepers and who gets moved . We need bats Flores is our top MLR bat and most everyone agrees he will be a decent to good hitter with a chance to be very good if more power and patience develop this is exactly the kind of guy who should be strutting his stuff this year to determine if he is worth counting on in the future .

  • BarnRat

    Thanks for the winter ball answer. If Flores was getting his reps at 2B, then reinforces the view that they really thought they could move Murphy for value (lead-off /SS) and that failure screwed a critical part of the plan. 1B might not look so frightening if the other side of the infield was nailed down.

  • chago

    “His minor league numbers were at times nice, very nice is he had found a way to stay at SS, but were they better than what Ike and Duda did at AA and AAA?”

    That is an interesting question you posed , so I had to go back and take a look just to see for myself . The numbers are not that different really except that Flores consistently hit for a higher averages and slightly less power . The deciding factor though that makes me say YES Flores numbers are really that much better and/or impressive than either Davis or Duda is the age he did them at 3 to 4 years younger than each of the other 2 at comparable levels . And since he is that much younger and just starting to add power it isn’t a reach to say that he would equal or surpass their power numbers also if he were to ply another 2 or three years at AA and AAA ball .

    Power is the last thing to develop usually and while Flores was demolishing AAA pitching and the power starting to manifest into game time production both Duda and Ike were playing ball as amateurs in the desert and southern California at the same age . I would bank on Flores if I were betting .

    Add in the fact that both Duda and Ike have grossly regressed from their best play and the verdict is Flores all the way .

  • chago

    Really what if he had a career ending injury in that year?

    He did what he did because 138 million means he can do virtually anything he wants to for the rest of his life in about 7 years . He would have said the same things about any franchise , city or fan base that afforded him that kind of lifelong financial security . As well as 99.9% of us would have as well . Let’s not wax poet when hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake . If he would have said hey we are in trouble how about I cut my salary from 20 million a year to 15 for the length of the contract so you can put more pieces around me and get a winner sooner the way Micheal Jordan gave back money to the Bulls so they would have cap space to make the team better . Then I would believe the he wanted to stay here bit . Barring that it’s the money honey !

  • That could certainly be true. Some of those decisions may have actually been directives from the top as well, we’ll never really know.

    As far as spending the absolute minimum, that is certainly evident to me too.

    Yes, we spent $90 million on three players and it sure looks good in black and white, but a closer look tells you we’ve yet to eclipse last year’s opening day payroll.

    So now it’s not really spending after all. We’re just playing a shell game.

    When the spigots are turned back on again, we’ll know it. So far that hasn’t happened.

    As a Met fan I am optimistic to a fault but not blind. I do hope things get back to normal and that the next time we really start spending again, that we’ll make better player personnel decisions that will prove as valuable as they are costly, and leads us to another championship.

  • chago

    The thing I look at is this kid has been a middle IFer all his life it is so much easier to move to a corner from there than the next to impossible corner to middle IF positions . And to top it all off we have the greatest defensive 1st baseman I ever saw play at our disposal to tutor him in ST . Who on God’s green earth that needs to learn to play 1st base would NOT want Keith Hernandez teaching you the intricacies of the position ? By the end of ST 2015 Mex would have this kid playing a better than average 1st base just in time for the team to make a move up the standings (hopefully) .

  • WillisReid

    “Really what if he had a career ending injury in that year?”

    Wright had already made “rest of his life money” before he signed his extension. And nobody is giving a discount to put pieces around themselves in a league without a salary cap.

  • Bromancer

    Yup, and that, my friend, does not a hero make.

  • BarnRat

    Strongly agree. I like both Murph and Flores on the right side — who goes where in the short run would be to move Murph, but long run the opposite might work better. And I still think they’re going to try to trade Murphy.

  • Rocky Thompson

    The reason the Mets resigned Quintanilla, is because other backup SS did not want to sign. Cesar Izturis believes the Mets are going to sign Drew and Tejada would be the backup. So if he signed with the Mets he would be in the minors.
    IMO the Drew situation will be resolved around the time Aledmys Diaz is eligible to sign (February 19th). Hoping the Mets end up with Diaz.
    Interested to see Flores at 2B in spring training. See how he plays when healthy and spent the off season working on his quickness.

  • vigouge

    IIRC Burnitz and Cedeno. We got jack for Benitez, kept Piazza and Leiter.

  • BCleveland3381

    David Wright has a full no trade clause. So moving him means he is only going to go where he wants to go.

  • BCleveland3381

    How many guys have ever had a career ending injury at 30 years old? Less than 1/10 of 1%. It just doesn’t happen.

  • BCleveland3381

    Why is it so embedded in some people’s brains that we need to take every good
    player we have(David Wright) and trade him for prospects for the future? At some
    point we need to build around what we have and try to win. If Harvey
    wasn’t hurt, I would argue we could compete with any team in the NL
    outside of maybe St Louis and the Dodgers over a full
    season…..especially if something broke in our favor with either Tejada
    or Ike/Duda figuring it out and contrubiting. Im not saying we’re
    better than the Braves, Nats, Reds, etc….Im just saying we match up
    really well wth those teams in a bunch of categories. The Braves
    haven’t done anything to get better. The Reds are probably a little
    worse. The Nats aren’t much better either. I think the Phillies are going to be a disaster this year.

    I think you could have made an argument for trading Wright before the Mets re-signed him. But the Mets chose him to build around and now we really aren’t that far away from contending. He’s still young enough to significantly help this team if we can have a playoff run in the next 2-4 years.

  • BehindTheBag

    Agreed, it’s crazy to talk a Wright trade now. However, before the extension, it was equally crazy NOT to try to trade him. We’d be much better off 2-5 years from now with the haul of prospects and picking higher in the draft during our lean years than we will be with an aging Wright in the lineup.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Flores is going to be a terrific player. The kid can flat out hit. Put him on the no trade list along with Montero and Noah. Run out Murphy, Ike and Duda to see if they can establish some trade value (that applies mostly to Ike and Duda) while giving Flores some reps in Vegas. After you move what is in the way, put him in the lineup for the next 5 years.

  • Just_Da_damaja

    how did they choose to “build around him” ?

    no SS
    1B/2B still in flux
    C is a huge question mark
    they got no backup catcher
    no vet presence in the pen

    seriously…are u THAT gulluble ?

  • Just_Da_damaja

    Very clearly…

    What is hilarious is looking back and seeing MMO’s T Agee aka Jason Bay, say the same things we were saying, but then doing an about face once everything became Sandy/David Wright vs Omar/Jose Reyes with Carlos Beltran being the one guy we all think is good but the same folks who are on the Sandy/David side of the fence, feel is not a good fit for the team and/or would never sign here.

  • mr. belvedere

    this has to end by June 1st this year with Ike and/or Duda, it’s been too long already and now worst of all it’s gonna start hindering Flores’ development…I say start the year with a Duda/Satin platoon with Ike and Flores starting in Vegas with Flores playing 2B, 1B, DH and 3B…let Flores rake down there for all of April and have Ike try to get himself straightened out and/or pump his trade value up…by mid May something permanently has to be done with Ike and Duda

  • Destry

    What if Duda is hitting .290 10 HRs .375 OBP at the end of May next year, like he did in 2011? What do you do then?

  • Destry

    2B is not in flux.
    1B shouldn’t be in flux as long as we trade Ike.
    We have the best C prospect in baseball. You have to give him a shot at some point.
    Teagarden & Recker are as good as most backup C. Teagarden backed up Weiters last season and the Orioles were in the race.
    Parnell is a veteran at this point. He is going into his 6th season.

  • Destry

    We’d be better off right now. We could’ve landed 3 or 4 good young players, and add in 2-3 for the Reyes trade that wasn’t. We could’ve probably landed Shelby Miller & Allen Craig from the Cardinals for Reyes that year. Not to mention we would have a lot more money this offseason, and the next 7.

  • Destry

    We should’ve traded Wright immediately after the Dickey trade, and put Flores at 3B.

  • Destry

    Keith doesn’t want to teach the young players for some reason.

  • Destry

    They have been trying to tell us Ike is a goner since he packed it in last season and went to his home in Arizona instead of staying with the team. Duda/Satin are platooning at 1B. They been telling us that for 5 months. There is no way Ike breaks camp with this team. I’ll be shocked if he even goes to camp.

  • Destry

    I can see Flores get some time at 1B, 2B & 3B in Vegas to start the season and get called up to replace the 1st one to hit the DL of Duda, Murphy or Wright.

  • Destry

    You haven’t seen him play 1B then. He was much better than Ike offensively and defensively at 1B last season.

  • Destry

    Duda and Davis didn’t have the distinct advantage of playing their homes games in Vegas coming through the system either. I’d give the nod to Duda’s numbers being best of the 3 in the minors since they were actually the best numbers without having to make up excuses as to why Flores’ “actually” were.

  • Destry

    When did Duda have his chance at 1B?

  • Destry

    We weren’t trying to do anything at 1B except for trade Ike. Duda and Satin have been penciled in at 1B in a platoon situation since September, and for good reason.

  • Destry

    He only hit 18 in the dessert against minor league pitching. I wouldn’t be positive he could put up .280 15 his rookie year, against major league pitching, in a pitchers park.

  • Destry

    Sure sounds like you are describing Murphy. Consistent contact, hits to all fields, has a knack for driving in runs, except you could also add in that he had 23 SBs last season. Don’t understand the drooling for Flores, when he is the slower, unproven, RH version of Daniel Murphy. Murphy is actually doing it in the big leagues and get no appreciation for it, yet Flores is Babe Ruth? What gives?

  • I have always liked Tim Teufel. Obviously, he is taking the high road in his comments which is the right thing to do. Everyone is high on Flores. Maybe it is just me and I need to adjust my vision but I have not seen enough of him yet to anoint him a core player. I hope everyone is right about him. If he hits in ST they need to bring him up north. I want to see a winning team take shape sooner rather than later because all too often later never comes at least not with this franchise. Enough of the lets save him for later strategy. What ever happened to a lets win now strategy? We have seen numerous clubs in the last few years make transitions from second to first tier teams. We have seen teams with relatively low payrolls make the playoffs. Yet the Mets seem to continue to stand still year after year. To paraphrase Casey Stengel, “Does anyone in the Mets FO know how to build a winning team?” We keep asking and saying the same question season after season and we are still waiting for Godot. Anyone familiar with that play knows well that the point is that Godot never comes so we just keep asking a meaningless and fruitless question, “When will we start winning?” with the same redundant answer, “Maybe this will be the year?” In 1969 with the emergence od a great starting rotation (Seaver, Koosman & Gentry) and a significant major pick up at mid season (Donn Clendenon) the Mets came from out of nowhere and went from last place to WS champions. I am ready for that “de ja vou all over again” to repeat itself. Sandy, make it happen and transform into the GM we all want you to see you become. Lets Go Mets!

  • Fonzie

    Yeah pretty much. I just wish Murphy would get on base at a higher clip. As far as drooling over Flores, I wasn’t. I just think he has a nice future with the bat albeit without a position. I didn’t think it was fair to judge the kid on 95 AB’s just like it was unfair to judge d’Arnaud on 99 AB’s which most of the Sandy haters did last year here.
    Unless I’m mistaken you’re new to MMO. Murphy has gotten plenty of love here over the years. He tends to get overrated believe it or not. Flores gets drooled over mostly by the anti Sandy crowd. Although I’m a supporter of Sandy, I also am very high on Flores as a hitter. Just wish he had a set position.

  • RyanF55

    Trade him.

  • RyanF55

    It’s conflicting because Teufel clearly states Duda is not comfortable in the outfield and shouldn’t play there, yet Sandy says he should get some time in the outfield. A coach and former player sees how bad Duda is in the OF, but the GM thinks otherwise. That’s a disconnect and for some reason this team keeps pursuing Duda in the OF. Its a joke.

  • Bromancer

    Yup, so my hope is he’ll change his mind, and consider winning to be important.

  • WillisReid

    Actually Teufel never states he shouldn’t be there, and wouldn’t if he valued his job. We all know what Duda is in the OF, so I’m sure the Harvard educated GM does too. What is said in January and what actually happens in April are probably diffent. Also, how great did Murphy look at 2B initially? Two knee surgeries later he’s not a complete jpke defensively.

    You can hammer this organization for a hundred different things, but this is the lowest of low hanging fruit.

  • RyanF55

    I cant disagree more. Comparing Murphy’s improvement in the field translating to the lumbering Duda improving his defense in the outfield is ridiculous. Duda doesn’t have the physical abilities to play a position that requires considerable range and speed. Duda is a huge man with absolutely no range. Why not trot out Mo Vaughn because I’m sure because he can learn the outfield right? Duda should never, ever, EVER be considered to play the OF again. It shouldn’t even be mentioned as a joke. And yes, as Sandy clearly stated, “As of today, I expect Duda to get some time in the outfield, but that will be decided in Spring Training.” – how can the Harvard grad even jokingly consider going down that path again? His statement contradicts the belief of his own coach and the entire fanbase. Everytime the front office is quoted, its always “The Mets brass is split on the decision…” Hell, JP Riccardi diminished the draft and said he’d rather build through FA, but it goes against the entire Met strategy. There needs to be continuity top to bottom.

  • alan friedman

    it would be great if Wilmer Flores had a great spring where he tears the cover off the ball. I can’t see the team continuing on with both Davis and Duda.as you stated that would likely keep Flores at AAA Vegas. If Ike has a decent spring…Sandy could trade Duda for whatever is offered as his roster spot impedes any progress in Flores career. Murphy is not going to be traded despite all the silly rumors. The team needs to find some playing time for Flores and the best place for him would be as part of a platoon with Ike and to give David Wright an occasional day off.. All of this and then there is still Josh Satin who hopefully has trimmed his eyebrows.a bit!

  • Destry

    I wasn’t referring to you directly Fonzie, I was surprised by how many people completely disregard Murphy like Flores is already better. I think Flores will hit, but I think he may hit around .265 12 HRs this season. He has always taken some time to adjust to a new level. He will hit. I just think it won’t come immediately. He’s gonna have to learn to be a bit more patient as well, although you could say the same thing for Murphy.

    I actually believe, and admittedly I’m in the minority, that Murphy is gonna take a small step forward offensively and defensively in 2014. He really hasn’t played all that much at 2B in regards to the big picture of major league repetitions. He didn’t play all that much 2B in the minors, and then he lost a full year in 2010(knee), and half a season in 2011(other knee). He’s only played 2.5 years at 2B. That’s not a lot when you are talking about a baseball career. He turns 29 on opening day. A lot of people would consider that THE prime year of a baseball players career.

  • Destry

    Of Course, and if Ike is hitting .290 10 HRs, we sign him to a 25 year $400 million contract, and anoint him the greatest person that ever lived?

    You would rather see him on another team than succeed with the Mets, huh? Would you rather see Ike fail with the Mets than Duda succeed?

  • RyanF55

    First off you arguing over complete speculation is pointless. “What if” – the most ridiculous statement in all of sports talk. What if Duda hit .370 and hit 49 HRs next year?

    When did I say to sign davis to a 25 year 400 million dollar contract? You just made that up to strengthen your absurd argument. I’m not defending Ike in any way, shape or form. But how you defend Duda is by analyzing Ike, instead of looking objectively at Duda himself.

    And yeah, you trade Duda if he has those ridiculous numbers in May because, like in 2012 2013 and 2010, hell tank by the year’s end. In 2012, he went from a sizzling .258 average in June to a .140 average in July. Or how about last season when his average never surpassed .265 and he went from .224 in June to .148 in August. 2011 is the only season he finished strong.

  • mad met

    Keep murphy all else is cool with me

  • Fonzie

    Stick around Destry. There’s a few Sandy/Wright haters that already have Flores being better and more clutch than Wright. I bet you can guess who one of them is.
    And it wouldn’t shock me t all if Murph went 310/360/475 17 HR 40 2B 80 RBI’s. If he were to hit fifth I could see him knock in around 100 with Grandy and Wright in front of him with their on base skills.

  • Destry

    People underestimate the season he had last year & how hard it is for LH to produce at Citi. He would have .325/.375/.475 20 HRs 40 2Bs 20 SBs in Arlington, Baltimore, Pee Wee Field in NY, Coors, Cincy, Philly, Milwaukee……..have you looked at his road splits from last season?

  • Destry

    You mean his average dropped after his injured his oblique in June? No way. 2010 doesnt count unless Flores time with the Mets in 2013 does. Cant play it both ways bro. The 2011 season Duda had was absurd, & 2013 was way better than your giving him credit for.y6