Tackling 4 Main Arguments Against Signing Stephen Drew

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Why should the Mets sign Stephen Drew?  I mean, 3 years and $30-36 million is crazy for Drew, right?  Here are some of the arguments flying around this offseason regarding Drew.

“He’s not worth it, he’s just barely average.”  

“Drew is hurt all the time. He is way too injury prone.”

“Drew costs too much, not worth it.” 

“Give Tejada another shot.”

Let’s tackle all four issues one by one and take an in depth look at Drew, and then decide.

1. Drew Is Just Barely Average

Let’s compare Drew to some of the other SS in the league.

rWAR
1. A. Simmons – 6.8
2. H. Ramirez – 5.4
3. T. Tulowitzki – 5.3
4. E. Andrus – 4.3
5. J.Segura – 3.9
6. I.Desmond – 3.7
7. J. Hardy – 3.7
8. J. Peralta – 3.3
9. Y. Escobar – 3.3
10. S. Drew – 3.1

fWAR
1. T. Tulowitzki – 5.6
2. H. Ramirez – 5.1
3. I. Desmond – 5.0
4. A. Simmons – 4.7
5. Y.Escobar – 3.9
6. J.Peralta – 3.6
7. J.Lowrie – 3.6
8. S. Drew – 3.4
9. J. Segura – 3.4
10. J. Hardy – 3.4

If you like sabermetrics, Drew was Top 10 among all SS last season in wins above replacement in both FanGraphs and Baseball-Reference.

He was also 2nd in BB% (10.8) behind only Tulowitzki (11.1), 3rd in ISO right behind Tulo and Hanley at .190, and 9th in wRC+ 109.

Sabermetrics not your cup of tea?  Let’s look at some standard statistics.  Drew finished in the Top 8 among all shortstops in 2013.

He also finished in the Top 10 in:
– SLG% – 6th
– OBP – 9th
– Doubles – 10th

He finished Top 5* in:
– RBI – 5th
– Triples – 2nd
– Walks – 4th

*Despite playing in only 124 games last season.

All standard statistics guys like the HR

NAME HR
T. Tulowitzki 25
J. Hardy 25
H. Ramirez 20
I. Desmond 20
A. Simmons 17
J. Lowrie 15
A. Cabrera 14
S. Drew 13

Conclusion: Drew was definitely not average in 2013.  He was a top 10 SS.

2. Drew Is Hurt All The Time

Is Drew injury prone?

Years played by year:

  • 2006 – 59
  • 2007 – 150
  • 2008 – 152
  • 2009 – 135
  • 2010 – 151
  • 2011 – 86
  • 2012 – 79
  • 2013 – 124

Drew averaged 147 games per season from 2007, his first full year, through 2010.

In July of 2011 Drew fractured his ankle sliding into home plate that required surgery. You can view the video online simply by searching “Drew injures ankle”.  It is gruesome. He was out for the rest of the season after playing in almost every game up to that point.

The injury required surgery that cost Drew the first 74 games of the 2012 season. He played 79 of 89 games upon his return and that includes being traded to Oakland from Arizona at the deadline.  It comes as no surprise that, after missing a full year from a serious injury, 2012 was by far his worst season with a .657 OPS

If you take out 2011-2012 during which he was recovering from surgery, Drew has averaged 142 games per season throughout his career, and looks to be fully recovered after his stellar 2013 campaign. If someone ask me the question “Is Stephen Drew injury prone?” my answer would have to be, NO. He just had one really bad injury.

Let’s look at Drew’s 162 and then converted 142 game average

162 Games: .264/.329/.435 – 160 H –  82 R – 36 2B – 10 3B – 16 HR – 72 RBI

142 Games: .264/.329/.435 – 140 H – 72 R – 31 2B – 9 3B – 14 HR – 63 RBI

Pretty nice numbers for a shortstop.  Especially one that is so good defensively.  Keep in mind that these numbers include his 2012 season in which he was returning from a year away from baseball. The numbers above should translate very well to Citi Field. Even if he does miss some time, he was still a top 10 shortstop last season in 124 games.  I would imagine he might be top 5 over the course of a full season.

Conclusion: Drew is not injury prone.

3. Drew Costs Too Much

Jhonny Peralta just got a 4-Year, $53 Million deal on the open market coming off a suspension for PEDs and is almost two years older than Drew. Peralta didn’t cost a draft pick, but Drew will only cost the Mets a 3rd round pick, and he is much better defensively than Peralta. 

Consider their 162 Game Averages

Peralta – .268/.330/.425 – 160 H – 82 R –  35 2B – 3 3B – 18 HR – 82 RBI – .755 OPS

Drew – .264/.329/.435 – 160 H – 82 R – 36 2B – 10 3B – 16 HR – 72 RBI – .764 OPS

Surprisingly close.  Almost identical, and I like Drew’s intangibles by a mile.  It will be interesting to see how Peralta performs with no juice, from age 32-35 while switching leagues.  I’ll take Stephen Drew in his 31-33 season all day long, and it will only cost $30 million for three years at the most. as opposed to $53 million for the PED guy.  Whether you like Drew or not, the current market rate for comparable shortstops is 4/$53.

Conclusion: Drew’s asking price is a bargain relative to the market. 

4. Forget Drew and Give Tejada Another Shot

Personally, I’m not a big Ruben Tejada fan.  I don’t like his work ethic, at all.  Maybe he will grow out of it, but for the most part, as it pertains to work ethic, you either have a strong one, and it drives you all the time, or you don’t.  It’s not something you learn.  A burning desire to get better every single day, is not something you can pick up from a trainer in the offseason. It’s clear to me that Tejada has no fire.  On top of that, he has no tools in his tool box.  It’s possible a different manager might be able to motivate Tejada to obtain better results, but its pretty clear Terry Collins isn’t that guy.

The one thing that I do like about Tejada is that he can hit left-handed pitching.  Coincidentally, the one down side of Drew’s resume is that he doesn’t hit LHP very well.  I don’t hold it against him though, as very few lefties in baseball fair well against their pitching counterparts these days. The LOOGY spot on the roster has changed the game.  Thanks LaRussa.  Choo just received $150 million dollars, and he can’t hit lefties either.

Tejada would make a very nice backup middle infielder if we signed Drew.  Those 20 games per season that Drew misses, can be days off against a LHP, which should not only boost Drew’s numbers, but Tejada’s as well.  Tejada can also give Murphy a day off or be a late defensive replacement, as Murphy hits RHP much better than he hits LHP. Tejada has a place on the team, it’s just not as the starting shortstop.

           Vs RHP               Vs LHP   
Drew    .284/.377/.498      .196/.246/.340
Murphy  .292/.331/.459      .273/.292/.324
Tejada  .171/.219/.212      .274/.348/.371

Conclusion:  Drew renders Tejada a valuable backup.

The bottom line is the Mets are a much better team with Stephen Drew.  I understand Alderson waiting out the market, but even getting Drew for three years is a bargain at this point, though he likely signs for two.

You could argue that next year’s free agent class is stronger, but you could also argue that several of those SS will cost  a First Round Pick + much more money than Drew is currently asking for.  You could also argue that Drew is just as good, if not better, than any of the free agent SS on the market next season, with the exception of Hanley.  And I’ll be surprised if Hanley reaches free agency.

I’m not saying that Drew will make the Mets a playoff team, but crazier things have happened.  Cleveland added Swisher & Bourn and made the playoffs after a terrible 2012.  Is that much different than adding Curtis Granderson, Bartolo Colon, Chris Young and Drew?   Let’s put the glass slipper on CinDREWella’s foot.  It’s almost midnight.  Time is running out.

mmo

  • mitchpetanick

    Great points across the board.

  • Benny

    Tremendous man, very good write up!

  • Destry

    Thanks Benny.

  • Destry

    Thanks Mitch. I’ve been researching that for a while. Obviously, I’m a bigger Drew fan than most.

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    Great write up had some points that I was expressing myself to friends. On a side note daily articles like these are making me wonder why I waited so long to switch over from MessBlog.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Great points man, it’s completely beyond me why anyone would be against this move….unless we are embarrassingly unable to compete as a New York franchise of course

  • Benny

    ” On a side note daily articles like these are making me wonder why I waited so long to switch over from MessBlog.”

    No disqus?

  • arglasser

    Jon Niese had a higher OPS+ last season than Ruben Tejada

  • Charley’s Twin

    Messblog is a disgrace to the art of writing.

  • Anthony

    Good job on the post

  • Bail4Nails

    Question: Would it be better or worse to wait until after Diaz becomes available on 2/19? I used to think Sandy was going to take a shot at Diaz, and go for Drew if he didn’t get him. But, I wonder if the price for Drew goes up once Diaz is signed (more buyers)? Either one is fine by me, as I agree that Tejada is a bench player.

  • Destry

    Thanks Anthony. I’m glad you enjoyed it, and I hope we have Drew playing SS on opening day.

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    When they switched over I just stop commenting as much as I did, but the final straw was when they kept recycling articles and having all those links with the dates on them it was a real eye sore and annoying.

  • Destry

    I’ll be honest with you, I would love for the Mets to sign Diaz. I feel like there are gonna be quite a few teams bidding on him though, and I think he will need at least a 1/2 season in the minors. Diaz has no compensation attached and he is young. He will have a bunch of suitors.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    Great post! Just curious… why did he miss so many games in 2010? From the writeup, that was before his ankle injury.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    Answering my own question: He actually played 151 games in 2010, not 15 as it says in the post.

  • kunym16

    In regards to Drew being above average for a SS, it can be argued that he has only hit in very hitter friendly parks. The one season he had away from a hitter friendly park (albeit the season he came back from his injury) he hit terribly. Would he hit for as much power in Citi Field? Most likely not. He would hit his fair share of doubles, but he is no speed threat and we already have a doubles hitting shortstop with little speed in Tejada. I honestly do not think the money would justify the “upgrade” he would provide for the team. Looking at the numbers, with $1 mil for a 24 year old and over $15 mil for a 30 year old with not that much better overalls, it’s not worth it in my opinion. Am I a big Tejada fan? No, I think we can do a lot better, but better isn’t out there for us this season. Give Tejada a chance and aim for something better next offseason.

  • HillsideAve

    Nice post. I’m just a simple minded fan who doesn’t really understand complicated statistical analysis. But I know that Drew is a major league player who is considerably better than Tejada or any other option in the organization.
    And as a fan, I want as many major league players on the 2014 Mets as possible.
    I would still like a lead-off hitter, and I don’t think Drew would be best utilized there, just like I would love to see Murphy hitting back in the order. So unless the Mets somehow muster a trade for a solid SS/leadoff, they should find a way to sign Drew.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    There is a typo under “Drew is Hurt all the time”….

    “In 2010 it says 15games, when it should be 151 games”

    Dont need anyone jumping all over that saying see he only played 15 games 😉

  • Destry

    That is a typo. He played 151 games in 2010. Thanks for pointing that out Dave. I’m glad you enjoyed the article.

  • Destry

    Thanks Leroy. I’ll see if we can get that corrected.

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    “Give Tejada a chance and aim for something better next offseason”, that’s the problem some people are missing if Tejada sucks it will cost us more money next year and a 1st rd pick for who Lowrie or Asdrubal Cabrera. Hanley is a pipe dream so Drew makes the most sense now giving the money and loss of pick and have Tejada as a back up.

  • Destry

    Drew had a .377 OBP last season against RHP, and is a career .284 hitter from the leadoff spot. He was also 6 for 6 in SBs last year with 9 triples. He could at least leadoff when a RH is on the hill

  • Hotstreak

    You’re using your opinion as a bully pulpit. The guy is not worth it. Why hasn’t he been signed? That would have been a fair and balanced post.

    You never addressed the option of filling the need by trading for a 25 year old or under ML SS.

    You’re the same guy who thought I was advocating a 200 M payroll and buy up every FA including Cano. and was very snarky about it. .

    I expect a lot of down votes and they will make me happy.

  • kunym16

    What if Drew performs poorly or gets hurt? It would be the same exact case, except it would be over $15 mil and a draft pick down the drain.The guy is only a .264 career hitter who hits for decent power in hitter friendly parks. Not worth the money.

  • Destry

    I think you have me confused with someone else. I am all about building the organization through scouting and player development. $200 million contracts ruin a franchise. It may be my opinion, but I back it up with factual evidence and statistics.

  • Dave_in_Spain

    Yes I enjoyed it! I wasn´t sure about Drew, but I think you´ve convinced me. We need someone there at least for the next 2-3 years until Cecchini and/or Rosario are ready (if in fact they´re MLB material), and Tejada will be a good backup/fill-in as needed. Two year offer with a team option for year 3?

  • Destry

    Agreed. I just think it makes too much sense, and I think Drew is gonna prove a point this season.

  • Vin

    I never liked Drew but, after reading the post, I realize that was probably mostly on gut. I do think most AL East parks inflate stats and I wonder how his hitting would translate at Citi. Also, I do wonder why a statistical 10 ten SS is still not signed. But, overall, have to say I’m certainly more open to signing the guy after reading the post.

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    What if Tejada gets hurt or plays poorly go with Omar Quintanilla again? Here is the list of 2015 SS free agents which of these other than Hanley is far better then then Drew that it’s worth the wait to see if Tejada can play and worth more money and a a 1st rd pick?

    Shortstops

    Mike Aviles (34) – $3.5MM club option with a $250k buyout
    Asdrubal Cabrera (29)
    Yunel Escobar (32) – $5MM club option
    Rafael Furcal (37)
    J.J. Hardy (32)
    Derek Jeter (41)
    Jed Lowrie (31)
    John McDonald (40)
    Hiroyuki Nakajima (32) – $5.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Nick Punto (37) – club/vesting option
    Hanley Ramirez (31)
    Jimmy Rollins (36) – vesting/club/player option

  • kunym16

    I don’t mind Hardy, Lowrie, Cabrera, and maybe even Escobar…maybe. None of them are significantly better than Drew, but they are still options. When it comes down to it, we shouldn’t settle for Drew or anyone for that matter. You should be fully committed to the upgrade. This organization has done enough settling. Who knows, maybe next season we can get a trade for a SS who can lead off for us as well, which would be ideal. We do not have a leadoff hitter on this team nor are there any projected for next season.

  • mets2014

    I’m not a big fan of tejada or drew, but it is clear that drew is the better option. let’s face facts here, SS is one of the hardest if not the hardest position to fill for an organization and the candidates whether it be through free agency or trade leave a lot to be desired. I really think the mets need to “invest” in a 3 year contract for drew…even if he is not the long term solution, at the very least, they could use him as a trade chip for the cost of a third round pick. I would also consider using this approach for Nelson Cruz…for the price of a 4th round pick they could install him as the cleanup hitter…the next dilemma would be surpassing the self imposed salary cap…that’s why I used the word invest…at points during this season they will have ample opportunities to unload salaries in exchange for major league ready talent…for example they may have to put up $20M – $25M in additional 2014 salary to secure drew and cruz, but they will have the chance to unload a number of salaries to get closer to a more comfortable salary range while adding young talent. Their OD lineup could look like this:
    C Young CF, Murphy 2B, Wright 3B, Cruz RF, Granderson LF, Duda 1B, Drew SS, D’arnaud C
    By the trade deadline they could realistically move Colon ($9M), Gee ($4M), Murphy ($6M) & Parnell ($4M) which is $23M in salaries and replace them internally with Thor, Montero, Flores & Black. I know it’s a lot of moving parts, but alderson is a bright guy he could figure it out.

  • Hotstreak

    I could be wrong but I said the Mets were meh that .500 was mediocre (per Seaver) and I thought you said so you think we should have signed Cano. I agree with you that over bloated contacts are to be avoided. We learned the hard way. That is why I am against Drew. If I came on to strong I apologize but it seemed to me your post was in response to my anti acquiring Drew. I wish we obtained Brad Miller even for a guy like Montero or Mejia (who I once said be careful as he is another Pedro). Brad Miller would supplement the rebuilding process for a new infield of Smith, (we have a lot of 2B options) and Wright and TdA with OF of Grandy Largares and other options like Puello.

  • FIXED! 😀

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    I don’t think it’s settling at all with Drew. You said yourself none are significantly better so why wait until next year and pay more for them and give up a 1st rd pick? This organization can’t go anymore with maybe next year we can make a trade they don’t have the leverage with fans anymore to do so. Now is the time when his price is dropping and the draft pick is a 3rd round pick to make the move for an upgrade. Because be it with Drew or any of those other SS they are better than Tejada and that’s what this team has to start doing, putting better players on the field.

  • ro7a

    #5. Mets are broke.

    Nobody in their right mind can argue against signing Drew when the Options are Tejada, the no names in the minors or using the wait till next year’s FA Class (which we all know will be too expensive for the Mets tastes) excuse.

  • Bail4Nails

    Great article, by the way. You make a good case for Drew. Is is possible that you could write up something on Diaz? I’m preparing myself for the possibility that Drew chooses Boston over the Mets. Then, barring a trade (in which we lose prospects), Diaz would be our only hope of an upgrade.

  • gameball

    To me, the injury history is the big question, and like Destry I’ve noticed that Drew’s “history” boils down to one freak injury in 2011.

    A healthy Drew almost guarantees us a .200 increase in OPS over last year’s production from SS, and at least a .100 increase over anything that Tejada is ever likely to provide. That’s a pretty big bump, and worth $10-12M.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    The was I see it, if drew was a “top 8” or “top 10” ss wouldn’t there be 20 other teams looking to him to up grade their team??? Hes really isn’t that good, the guy hits 250, has an OBP of 310 and will hit 10 HR. 10 mill a year for that is a lot of money. Not worth it at all, IMO

  • Hotstreak

    FA No
    Trade Yes—–Brad Miller(or his type)

  • Destry

    Thanks Joe

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    lol against righties, leadoff spot??? come on what does he hit for his career? don’t look at, “what does he hit vs righties, in douring day games when its 75 or warmer outside on the road.

  • Bail4Nails

    I am a big fan of Brad Miller, but it sounds like he is untouchable. You might, might get Owings for Montero and someone else, but I don’t want to lose Montero. He looks like the real deal. I would go for Diaz or Drew first, then trade for a SS if, and only if we would be stuck with Tejada. Our pitchers are too good to give up, IMO.

  • Destry

    I have done a little research on Diaz, but admittedly am no expert on him. Give me a few days to do a bit more research and I’ll get something up.

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    “The was I see it, if drew was a “top 8” or “top 10″ ss wouldn’t there be 20 other teams looking to him to up grade their team???”
    Sorry but that point makes no sense because the Rocks, Dodgers, Blue Jays, Brewers, Nats, Rangers, Padres,Indians, Cubs, Cardinals, O’s, A’s, Braves, Angels, Mariners, W Sox, Phils, Royals, Reds, Astros, Giants, Rays, Tigers, D Backs, Marlins all have better SS. Drew’s market is very limited to teams that can use him.

  • Destry

    Thanks CT

  • Hotstreak

    I respect your opinion. There are a lot of good SS minor league prospects who we would give up much less. I will supplement this post once I get the link to them.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    exactly cause he isn’t a top 10 ss

  • Destry

    70% of the pitchers in the league are RH.

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    I agree if we can land a SS from the Mariners or D Backs first go with that but if we can’t then I think it’s fair to say the cost of signing Drew in terms of money and pick is better then waiting until next year.

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    How can you say he’s not when the article post facts that he is? Some of the teams on that list already have young cost efficient like the Mariners, Asrtos, Marlins and Braves to name a few so why would they give that up?

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    is a 250 average and a 310 obp top 10??? I dont think so.

  • rwdavis22461

    if we were closer to winning i could almost undertand signing him but i rather wait till 2015 to sign a ss vs now. I know our current ss is not great but neither is Drew why overpay unless your closer to winning

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    So you ignore all the other stats but choose the 2 to make your argument.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    I would like to see the list of 20 ss that he is better than

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    tell me the 20 ss hes better than

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    I never said he was better then 20 SS I listed all the teams that have big money SS or young cost efficient SS that made so sense to sign Drew to counter your blanket statement that more teams should be looking at him.

  • chago

    Sign him , don’t sign him , but PLEASE SOMEBODY sign him soon . I am sick and tired of reading about him !

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    right all I said was he isn’t top 10. If he was there would be 20 ss hes better than

  • Stupidseasonticketholder

    What is the market price for an average SS. Add in as W.S. ring. Price is 10-14 million a year. He’s a huge upgrade over Tejada. It’s a FO decision that could haunt us. I’m not very optimistic that Freddie will spend the 26 million over 3 years to get him.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    lol down vote but no list of 20 starting SS hes better than

  • Taskmaster4450

    Was like the Bourn saga last off season which went until Mid-February.

    After 3+ months, it is old.

  • Destry

    R. Tejada, A. Heccavarria, J. Rollins, S. Castro, Reds SS, J. Peralta, J. Mercer, D. Gregorious, E. Cabrera, B. Crawford, in the NL alone.
    Boegarts, Jeter, Hardy (arguable), Y. Escobar(arguable), J. Iglesias, A. Cabrera, A. Ramirez, p. Florimon, A. Escobar, Jed Lowrie(he’s a 2B), B. Miller, J. Villar, E. Aybar

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    Sorry but that logic doesn’t make sense, the article has FACTS that he is. I gave you 25 teams that have a SS that is getting paid or is young and in the team plans. The Marlins for instance have Hechavarria, Drew is better but the Marlins are not going to sign him because he is in there plans. The Mets, Twins, Yanks, and to a degree the Red Sox and Pirates are the only teams that have openings to sign him. It’s not about 20 better players it’s about teams having a need or opening to get better.

  • Destry

    R. Tejada, A. Heccavarria, J. Rollins, S. Castro, Reds SS, J. Peralta, J. Mercer, D. Gregorious, E. Cabrera, B. Crawford, in the NL alone.
    Boegarts, Jeter, Hardy (arguable), Y. Escobar(arguable), J. Iglesias, A. Cabrera, A. Ramirez, p. Florimon, A. Escobar, Jed Lowrie(he’s a 2B), B. Miller, J. Villar, E. Aybar that’s 23

  • Destry

    Here ya go R. Tejada, A. Heccavarria, J. Rollins, S. Castro, Reds SS, J. Peralta, J. Mercer, D. Gregorious, E. Cabrera, B. Crawford, in the NL alone.
    Boegarts, Jeter, Hardy (arguable), Y. Escobar(arguable), J. Iglesias, A. Cabrera, A. Ramirez, p. Florimon, A. Escobar, Jed Lowrie(he’s a 2B), B. Miller, J. Villar, E. Aybar

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    It’s not about 20 better SS, 25 teams already have a SS

  • Taskmaster4450

    Is he better than Reyes? I noticed his name was absent from the list.

    Hence he drops down at least one spot.

    Is he better than Jeter? Perhaps another spot goes.

    I notice Andrus is missing from fWAR. There he goes down another spot.

    Funny how top 10 just because top 12.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    omg – I really cant even debate with this response, ugh.

  • Taskmaster4450

    #5. Mets are broke.

    The result of Fast Freddy working his magic.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Ill upvote you Hotstreak just for taking a stand.

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    How is it an overpay when he’s most likely going to get less then the 14 mill he turned down and cost a 3rd round pick, when next years list of SS are not that much better and will cost more in terms of money and picks?

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    the article is about how drew is a top 8 or 10 ss. So I asked what 20 is he better than. That list above is a bit illogical, lol

  • Mike Lloyd

    I have been on the fence over Drew. ‘even thought to give Tejada another shot…but I can’t deny Drew is a superior player to Ruben..vastly superior. If it’s 2/22 I’m in. No to 3. Any advantages you get by getting him on the cheap now are lost later if the contract extends out to long. 3 no. 2 yes. In that 3rd year you have Wheeler, Harvey, and D’Arnaud, Lagares, possibly Flores and a few more becoming arbitration eligible. That isint having cost certainty which is imperative to this team and it’s lender’s due to the heavy debt load the team has. If you sign Drew for more than 2, you run the risk of having to deal a young player who is arbi eligible in that 3rd year. I.believe they need to hold firm at 2 years or…I’d wait till this coming offseason to address SS.

  • rwdavis22461

    anybody pays him more then 10 per year is over paying sure he may not get 14 but he will get over 10 i do not feel he is worth that much see MLBGM as proff of what i am saying for a guy who averages 128 games

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    I didn’t say u did, the article says hes a top8-10 ss

  • rwdavis22461

    unless your getting a ellite ss like Tulo then i do not mind over paying for a ok ss nothing that great i would not think he would make us win over 81 games this year and still far from the playoffs even at 81 wins .

  • ClarkWGrizwold

    I’m not debating that he’s top ten my debate is that he’s asking for 20 better ss when 25 teams already have a ss. So why would they go and sign him and give up their 1st rd pick?

  • Hotstreak

    It is only my opinion. I appreciate your upvote very much.

  • Destry

    Reyes isn’t on the list because he only played 90 games last year. Reyes is not a top 10 SS if he only plays 90 games. There is a good chance Reyes only plays 90 games next season, and he won’t be a top 10 SS if that’s the case either.

  • Mike

    Bravo bravo I’ve been saying this all off season, excellent job, hope Sandy is reading let’s get it done!

  • Metsaholic

    I don’t understand why the Mets have not been more aggressive in making
    this move. Your augments for signing Drew make perfect sense. And you
    mentioned a point which I think is key, which is that Drew hits from the
    left and Tejada from the right. It makes for an excellent platoon. It
    gives the team a solid backup at short and second, and late inning
    defense at second. It brings more power to the lineup. It gives the
    manager more line up options. It buys the team time to develop or trade for a SS down the line. It really isn’t that much money for a key
    position.

    The move should add more interest in the team and generate ticket sales. The players would also benefit from more new blood added to the mix. The team has not been that exciting to watch since they traded Reyes. Harvey brought some excitement, and we’ve been looking forward to Thor, but the more good everyday players you have the better. Add this to the teams strong daily pitching line-up and you have a team with a chance to win any given game. Why can’t the Mets not sign Drew? Make the case to the creditors and get it done.

  • Destry

    Drew was +5.0 WAR over what Tejada & Quintanilla gave us at SS in 2013.

  • Collect the Mets

    There’s a slight flaw in your methodology for point #1 (other than saying “the league” when you mean MLB). You claim that Drew definitely isn’t average because he’s a top 10 shortstop, but one has nothing to do with the other. Without quantifying the population and defining what the average shortstop looks like, “top 10” is a meaningless distinction and says nothing about whether Drew is at, above, or below the undefined average point.

    Part of the problem is defining just what a shortstop is. What number of games or plate appearances as a shortstop should give a player the designation of starting shortstop? If you set the minimum at 400 plate appearances and at least 75% of games at shortstop, you get a list of 24 players (without Hanley Ramirez; dropping the threshold to 300 PA gives you 12 more players including Ramirez and Omar Quintanilla). Average WAR (f or b) for the 24-player group falls at about 2.4 and increases to about 2.8 if you remove the replacement level or below players. There’s too much variation and too few samples to pin down a definite average, so let’s just call 2.0-2.8 average-ish (or about 1.5 to 2.5 for the 36-player group, take your pick).

    Where does that leave Drew? With a bWAR of 3.1 and fWAR of 3.4, he’s above the mark for average by any measure, but not by an elite margin. Based on his career numbers and the projections for 2014, he doesn’t look to be a good bet to be much better than he was in 2013. That still leaves him above average, for whatever that’s worth.

    Not like being an average MLB starter is a bad thing in the first place, especially at a position like shortstop (and especially on a team that has been getting a lot of use out of Omar Quintanilla). So I suppose the easiest way to refute point number one is to just agree with the statement and point out how much of an upgrade an average player would be.

  • Bill Buckner

    Was Drew a top 10 SS over the last 3 years?

  • skyhappysal

    Drew was criticized for his work ethic and willingness to play will nicked up in Arizona.
    You didn’t address the games Drew missed in 2013 after already being recovered from the injury.
    Comparing Drew’s cost only to Perralta’s is silly when Perralta was over paid. Yunel Escobar comes up a lot in your list too and he is coining 5M. It is interesting to note that Escobar, Hardy, and Lowrie were all picked up for not much over the past few years and are now generally considered top 10 short stops.
    Drew turned down 14M for one year and wanted 15-16 per for 4 at the outset. I don’t believe he will sign 3 years for 30M, not when the indications are that Boston would still take him back on one year 12-14.
    Of course Drew is quite a bit better for 2014 than Tejeda and I would like to see the Mets sign him. At Tejeda’s ceiling he doesn’t match Drew’s current but he could still be solid and affordable.

  • Destry

    Escobar, Hardy & Lowrie aren’t free agents though, and signed before the TV money came into the market. David Wright signed an 8/138 deal. He would command close to twice that if he were a free agent this offseason.

  • metsman

    Quite honestly, besmirching someone’s work ethic to this degree based on hearsay is kind of messed up…not that it shouldn’t be considered at all, but keep in mind the limited source and subjectivity before you declare that he had, and will always have, a poor work ethic. The term “pigeon holed” was created for this kind of lazy thinking.

  • Destry

    Not in 2011 or 2012, but he was in 2010.

  • Destry

    I understand your point, but if you are 10th of 30 starting SS, then you are in the upper 1/3. The upper 1/3 is generally not considered average, unless 9-30 all had identical production. Which, one should assume, is not the case.

  • skyhappysal

    This is true but the 2 main salary points are – Perralta was overpaid no matter what TV money is coming and guys who were seen as near worthless (Hardy and Escobar) are now solid contributors. There don’t ‘seem’ to be any of these guys available either but the idea is that some could be available next year if we don’t buckle to Drew’s demands this year.
    Asdrubal Cabrerra could be in that category next off season if he doesn’t have a great year, along with Escobar, Hardy, Lowrie, and Zobrist. Granted some of these guys may be asking for Perralta money if they have good 2014s.

  • Destry

    If it happened once. I would give him a pass, but he showed up late and out of shape to camp in 2012. If he had a tremendous work ethic, it would’ve remedied itself, and the exact same thing wouldn’t have happened in 2013. Until proven otherwise, I don’t think its an unfair label at this point.

  • skyhappysal

    26M over 3 years? If you phone Boras he will tell you the price is 56M for 4 years and he may let you get him for 3 years at 39.

  • skyhappysal

    And so happy we are that we didn’t sign Bourn by the way.

  • Destry

    True, but if the organization isn’t willing to give up a 3rd round pick and $30mil this year, what would make them want to give up a 1st Rd pick next year, and more money. Many more teams will need a SS next season, since many of them will hit the free agent market.

  • skyhappysal

    That really is a poor list.the numbers would not support Drew being superior to all of these guys,..and we HAVE to consider salary. For most teams paying a lot at one position means there is less available for another. Many of these players are young and cheap and have upside and I would rather the Mets had them over Drew.

  • skyhappysal

    Top ten last year or top ten this year (and for the next 3)?

  • Destry

    In 2010, the season before the gruesome ankle injury, Drew put up a 4.7 fWAR. He was definitely Top 10 that year. 2013 Top 10. There is no reason to believe that he wont be a top 10 SS next season. People forgot how good he was because he missed a full year. He will be 31, and he will have something to prove after not getting the contract that he wanted. I say yes, he will be a top 10 in 2014, 2015 maybe 2016 most likely not.

  • Stupidseasonticketholder

    Yup. I hope we get him. We have nothing really in the system for the next few years. In three years 13 million could be a bargain

  • skyhappysal

    I would rather sign Drew than deal Montero for someone. I am not anti Drew, I hope we sign him. He can help us, he won’t be a middle of the order hitter for us though, nor will he set the table. He was not much of a leader in Arizona, maybe he has matured.
    Does signing Drew mean we have to cut Ike instead of keeping him or waiting to get something close to his worth? I don’t want to see that-

  • Props on how you went about tackling the arguments in your post. Though I think your SLG & OBP ranking is off. MLB says that he is not 6th & 9th but rather 8th and 13th.
    I also would not be so strong to condemn Tejada as far as his work ethic. Not knowing all the details as to what was going on I think it’s not a stretch to say a player can’t make the Bigs with a poor work ethic and if he remains with the team deserves a chance to show whatever transpired to question his work ethics is no longer the case.

    I’ve been torn on Drew all Winter as to if the Mets should sign him. I will say that you put the past injury concern in a better light after explaining what was the cause to Drew’s missed playing time in prior years and I think your argument of using him and Tejada in the role you described is a reasonable argument.

    The pluses for Drew I guess are veteran player, played on championship team, solid glove at SS, Adds more pop with the bat than anyone currently with the team at SS.

    The minuses I guess would be lack of speed, strikeouts, more pop than anyone currently on team is not saying much to begin with, and will the cost of adding him require what would be viewed as an overpay for it or will it be a deal both sides can agree it being beneficial for? With Boras as an agent that last one seems difficult to see.

  • Destry

    Yeah, I would too, but upside doesn’t mean they are better than Drew right now, and we would have to move Montero, Flores etc. to acquire one of those said cheap, upside/or flops young SS. Tejada had some upside…………at one time.

  • skyhappysal

    The mets are hoping to get a 2 or 2.5 WAR from Tejeda this year (if they have to use him) so tehy are wondering if the money and draft pick are worth the extra 1-2 wins when they are more than 1-2 wins out of the picture.

  • Collect the Mets

    Again, that is flawed thinking. As shown above, there are not 30 starting shortstops in MLB, there can be anywhere from 20 to 40 depending on your criteria. Your average depends on the the population in question and the value distribution within that population, which can vary significantly with such a small sample. You are making assumptions that have not been stated up front and are not supported by any provided data or references. That won’t stand up to professional scrutiny.

  • I forgot to mention that there is a article from earlier this month by Gordon Edes of ESPN Boston as to why the Sox should bring Drew back that some might find worth reading.

    http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/10239876/boston-red-sox-keep-biding-free-agent-stephen-drew

  • skyhappysal

    It depends on the year..and on semantics..When Nomar, Arod, and Jeter were crushing it they were far and away the top 3 SS. If you touted yourself as top 4 or 5 that didn’t really make you any better than #15. It depends on where the drop offs are.
    Drew seems to have similar value to JJ Hardy, Jed Lowrie, Johnny Perralta and Yunel Escobar – if we look at 2013 numbers. Perralta was abysmal a coupel years ago, as was Hardy. Reyes, Castro and Andrus were dynamite.
    He seems solid for the moment but year to year there are 20 shortstops who could comprise the top 10.
    (None of them named Ruben of course!)

  • Stupidseasonticketholder

    9-1 odds we get him

  • mad met

    Does drew make us a playoff team …answer No!! So wait for a difference maker

  • Eric Raffle

    8-12 million is pretty much “slot” for an Every Day Player c2014 mlb….so I don’t understand the shock and surprise of that.

    The Mets should be in for 3-4 years without question—it solves specific problems and opens many, many opportunities—it makes Tejada more valueable…provides and easier scenario for trading Murphy for a future need(you’ve covered a LH bat and you have depth to replace Murph)…etc, etc.

    Conclusion…They’re Broke!!!

  • Hotstreak

    See link for possible trade candidates. We will have to give up a pitcher not named, Harvey, Wheeler or Thor.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/xander-bogaerts-heads-list-of-mlbcoms-top-10-shortstop-prospects?ymd=20140113&content_id=66482416&vkey=news_mlb

  • Metsaholic

    Drew brings us closer to a playoff team, and who’s to say we don’t add a difference maker at the all-star-break?

  • Bail4Nails

    I am curious about these different trade possibilities. I haven’t seen any articles here covering anything other than Drew or Tejada (no offense Joe). It makes me wonder whether Sandy really meant it when he said a trade was unlikely.
    Work ethic or not, I’ll take anyone over Tejada. He just seems like an ideal bench player to me. We need a leadoff hitter!

  • Bill Buckner

    So he was top 10 in 2 of the last 4 years and 1 in the last 3. This is my biggest argument against signing this guy – his inconsistency. Tejada’s 2012 was better than Drew’s 2012 or 2011. Who’s to say that Tejada doesn’t outplay him in 2014?

    Look, if the Wilponzis are just going to pocket the money rather than signing him then I completely agree – sign Drew because even his marginal upgrade over Tejada is better than nothing.

    I, however, am under the (perhaps foolish) opinion that the money that they save by NOT signing Drew could potentially improve us elsewhere by taking on a better player via trade (Ie: salary dump type deal) as we get into ST and teams realize that they have an excess at any given position or just flat out want to shed salary. Perhaps I’m delusional, but I’m holding out hope that something like this occurs and we are able to get a more significant upgrade than Drew at either 1B or SS.

    In short: if the options are Drew or no further improvements then I’ll take Drew. If there are other ways to improve this offense by not signing Drew, I’m all for going that route because I just don’t see the appeal TBH….

  • mad met

    Does drew get u to the playoffs yes or no … what happens if that difference maker is the ss

  • Hotstreak

    When you make the decision to in effect let Jose Reyes go then you have to live with a .250-.260 SS. Yes his OPB sucks.True Tejeda is in the lower echelon but he was hyped as Reyes replacement. Tejeda is a fair to good 8th place hitter. I am not looking for a sexy SS now that Reyes was foolishly gone for way less than market value. I realize the decision not to go with an injury prone 30 year old long term. But who is Drew, an injury prone 30 plus SS. 15 M for three years is to much dollars and years. That money could be used not to far down the line such as trade deadline if Tejeda fails Many point to Kevin Plawecki but he was a 3rd round pick which we would forfeit with Drew. Yes if we were contending and Drew would be the difference maker then its a new scenario.

  • Hotstreak

    We won the WS twice with less than sexy SS.

  • metsfaninparadise

    2 years at $9 mil per.

  • William Joseph

    what are you talking about? Ruben hit pretty good in 2011 AND 2012. Injuries limited him of course, but not bad number for a mostly #8 hitter. Last year he looked like he tried to bulk up and get some more power, which was a bad idea….then the injuries happened again. I think you underestimate the still only 24yr old Tejada. Sure i’d take Drew on a one year , maybe 8 mil (which could reach 10 or 11 if healthy enough)…but not 3yrs/30 mil.

  • Metsaholic

    I’m sorry, but I think I was clear in my post. I reject your premise that we should not get Drew because he does not represent to you the final straw or tipping point to get us to the playoffs. By your logic, we should not have gotten Granderson, Young, or Colon. Each one of them do not bring us the playoffs alone, but they bring us closer to the point. Should things break right, Drew brings us closer to the playoffs than last year. But no one can say if he or any other addition at the margin gets us in. But each positive step gets you closer. Perhaps Drew is the tipping point. Or perhaps, Drew makes us competitive enough so that if we get average production at 1st base, or we find another hitter at the break, we’re in.

  • vigouge

    There’s not a ton out there on Diaz. There’s no real way to analyze him because his biggest question marks, his ability to stick at SS and his cost, are unknown to everyone but the various clubs insiders.

  • metsman

    What happened once? Are we really going back to this office space esque argument about how early and extra are really on time and expected? Maybe Tejada bulked up to try and get a little more power on his frame and it didn’t work out. These players are aware of what’s said about their lack of power. We’ve never heard his side of the story or had much more than Sandy’s off the cuff remarks about how they’re not happy with Ruben’s flair. So I would tread lightly before making bold decrees about the kids work ethic.

  • Destry

    I meant that he was late and out of shape for camp 2 years in a row

  • metstastic

    Many teams need a SS this season.. That is irrelevant. There will always be demand. The Mets are not willing to give that money to DREW, doesn’t mean that they are not willing to give it to someone who is better.

  • Destry

    Did you read the article? He fractured his ankle to the point his bone was sticking out of his leg. Do you think that had some bearing on his playing time in 2011 & 2012? It pretty hard to be a top 10 SS when you are out for a full year recovering from a horrific injury. What salary dump player is gonna be better than Drew?

  • Destry

    OK. Give me a minute, and I will get the average WAR for the SS position. Its well below what Drew put up last year. For example, Tejada & Q put up -2.0. That alone throws off the average enough to make his 3.4 well above average

  • metstastic

    SS is a hard position to find offense. Once you get past the top few SS, the drop off is huge and I think that is what everyone is saying.

  • metstastic

    You don’t pay $10M+ to platoon a guy!

  • Bill Buckner

    Great players get dealt due to their salary all the time. Look at the Fielder/Kinsler & Fister deals this offseason. 3 of the 4 Dodgers’ OFers were widely known to be on the block this offseason – all three are (arguably) better offensive players than Drew. Teams like the Marlins deal players like Stanton when they realize they can’t keep them long term.

    I did read your article, but you can’t point to injuries to defend his lack of production and then go and say that he’s not injury prone when he’s only played 150+ games 3 of the last 8 seasons. Either he’s inconsistent or he’s injury prone. So which is it?

  • Destry

    Plawecki was a supplemental 1st Rd or Sandwich Rd pick.

  • Destry

    How many of those players that you just mentioned can play +D at SS? Very few people play 150 G every season. Grandy missed 50 last year, so did Wright, Murphy missed 50 in 2011 and all of 2010, but he is in no way injury prone. Davis missed 50, Tejada missed 50.

  • Destry

    There were only 2 free agent SS this season. No one needed a SS, besides the Cardinals & us. That’s why he’s fallen into our laps. Sandy knows this

  • Destry

    Agreed. That was the point. Drew is a really good offensive player at the SS position. If he put up those numbers as a 1B, or LF, then no, they aren’t, but coupled with +D at SS, they’re solid offensive numbers.

  • Bail4Nails

    Hey MMO,
    Can we see some articles on Aledmys Diaz, Chris Owings, and other possible Shortstop acquisitions? Destry did a great job here arguing for what he thinks is the best move for the Mets to make. Whether I agree with him or not, I applaud his work.
    That being said, I would love to see this kind of argument for every shortstop possibility out there. Any chance?

  • metstastic

    Because the top 10 for SS is way different than the top 10 1B or top 10 OF. There is a HUGE drop off after the top few SS. Just like in fantasy baseball. If you don’t get the top few SS, might as well punt the position and grab one from the scrap heap.

  • Bill Buckner

    Touche, but I would answer that offense if our bigger need. Defense is great, but this team was devoid of offense last year and I don’t see Grandy and Young catapulting us into the list of offensive juggernauts this year.

    I’m not saying someone who doesn’t play 150+ games every season is injury prone – I’m saying that Drew has more seasons that he HASN’T played 150+ games than seasons that he HAS over the last 8 years. That is the definition of injury prone. By the way, Wright and Granderson are also widely thought of as injury prone as well, so comparing Drew to them doesn’t really bolster your argument…

  • Metjorge

    Good article Dexx. You convinced me to go with Drew rather than Tejada right now, and I would sign Drew if I knew my team would have a chance to compete at the wild card this year. However, my feeling is that the Mets are hoping that Tejada can become a much better SS than Drew when all is said and done since he is still only 24 years old. SInce 2014 seems to be another rebuilding year. I’d rather give Tejada one more chance to see what he can do instead of tying the team to 12M/year for the next three years.
    Because the Wilpons are still broke and they can’t continue to add other free agents to improve the team in other areas, I rather them save the money until they are ready to do so.
    As I see it, the Mets probably won’t be serious contenders until 2016 as long as the young players reach the potential everybody thinks they can and/or the Wilpons can spend some more money.

  • I’m fine with them waiting out the market if that’s what they are doing, but they need to sign him. You can’t not replace Tejada, with Drew available, and expect to look like you mean to contend.

  • Destry

    Thanks Metjorge. I appreciate it. I’m not totally worried about the $12mil because I think the will move Colon at the deadline this year if we aren’t in the race, and in the offseason if we are. That would open up $10mil, and I think Dillon Gee or Jon Niese gets moved next offseason as well. We will have Harvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Mejia, Montero, Gee/Niese and several younger arms approaching. Matz, Fulmer, Ynoa etc. Our top 2 SS prospects are in low A and short season ball in 2014, and we can always trade Drew if we are out of the race.

  • metstastic

    Don’t know when it started happening (maybe around the time SNY bought them out), but the only thing they do now is link to news. They do not have any interesting to write about. The way to distinguish one site from another is the writing. Metsminorleaugeblog is awesome. Toby does a fantastic job writing up his analysis of players. Every day or at the very least , every week, your site needs to come up some well thought out analysis backed up by facts.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    I think more people have an eye on 2015 SS free agents – guys like Hardy, Ramirez, Cabrera, etc. – rather than “give Tejada another shot” when they want to pass on Drew.

  • Metjorge

    Good points, but you are assuming someone will be interested in taking Drew and his 3 year contract in a trade. That would only happen if a serious contender would lose their regular SS for the year or other rare circumstance. You are also assuming that Harvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Mejia, Montero, Gee/Niese will stay healthy and on track.
    I am just saying, from my point of view, we won’t be contenders in 2014 even with Drew, thus I’d rather remain as much economically flexible as possible until next year.
    I rather see what Tejada can do in another losing season, than have Drew play in another losing season and not know what player Tejada can be at ages 24/25. Just my opinion.

  • mad met

    And again i agree with u one player will not make or break. But either will any of the four players u mentioned as they will be at best a 500 team if everything goes well

  • Destry

    I’m certainly not saying that Drew is gonna play 162. I even stated in the article that he was good for about 140 G. I think the way the game is played today, with so many specialty positions, and specialty pitchers, that you have to put guys in position to succeed now more than ever. I think resting Drew 20 or so games a year will keep him healthy, and I think it will keep Tejada sharp, and also Murphy fresh as Tejada could give him a day off vs LHP. Maybe Drew and Murphy could rotate days off vs every other LH starter. It would most likely give them 145 starts, and that would give Tejada 35 starts against LHP which he hits very well. It might be good for his confidence. I think the sum is greater than the parts on this one. Drew’s +D at SS will also bode well for out young pitching staff. Especially the bullpen. If he makes a few of those diving up the middle stabs, and turns a one out single into a double play, Vic Black may have a 1.45 ERA instead of a 3.70

  • Destry

    Thanks Mike.

  • Hotstreak

    Good catch. But my point stands !5 M Drew and 7 M CY is wasting valuable money.

  • metstastic

    Yankees…. A’s… Twins

  • Bill Buckner

    Certainly valid points and I don’t disagree. I sort of “half agree” with you in that I’m all for signing Drew if there is no other available option to improve our offense.

    Playing devil’s advocate – there is an ongoing rumor that Sandy may cut Ike in ST so as to only pay him $500K rather than the $3.5 mil or so he will get for being on the team all year. If this does happen and both players are still unsigned, would you still prefer to sign Drew or would you rather sign Kendrys Morales to play 1B?

  • Destry

    Toby Hyde does a terrific job, and provides wonderful in depth analysis.

  • Metsaholic

    I’m sorry, but you have to get to .500 first and stay there. Drew seems to well get you to .500, which makes the next addition a tipping point or makes you a playoff team. If you don’t get him, you’re still likely two players away.

  • Destry

    Definitely Drew. The value he adds defensively at SS, far outweighs any offensive potential that Morales provides, and I’m not totally sure Morales is competent defensively anymore. He hasn’t played 1B regularly since the injury. In fact, I also believe that Duda/Satin platoon with put up better offensive numbers than will Morales. Seattle was the 2nd HR friendliest park after they moved the walls in last season.

  • Destry

    The Yankees would have to ask Jeter to move off SS. That ain’t happening. The A’s would have to move Lowrie to 2B, which they might anyway, but they also have Sogard, Nakjima, and Addison Russell knocking on the door. Twins like Florimon more than they are letting on, but I could see the Twins sneaking in. I think they are more inclined to give that money to Bronson Arroyo though

  • Destry

    Agree 100%, DOn’t understand that premise whatsoever. How would you ever improve?

  • Metsaholic

    Why not? Who made up that rule? If you read Dexx’s post, he makes the point that you would bat Drew 142 games, which is his avg, (taking out the 2011-2012 injury seasons) Those games will be against right handers. You get excellent production from Drew since you won’t waste at bats against left handers. And you get excellent at bats for Tejada because he’s not wasted on right handers. Drew will get well over 500 AB’s and you keep him healthy as he gets older, preserving his trade value.

  • Destry

    I can certainly see your point. I think where we disagree is that I think Drew does make us a contender for the 2nd WC spot. If we are in it, and add what we need at the deadline, I’m not convinced we couldn’t sneak in. Stranger things have happened. Red Sox & Indians went from worst to 1st last season with less additions, and worse seasons than the one we just completed.

  • Destry

    The rankings were SS with at least 400 ABs

  • Destry

    He was at or near the top of the league lead in errors from the SS position. You’re right. He may very well be a 2B in the big leagues

  • Ahh. Thanks for clarifying. That then does remove quite a few names 9 it seems as far as OBP if I am looking at it correctly but by making the min 400 you excluded H. Ramirez and J. Reyes then since they didn’t have 400 AB’s.

  • Metsaholic

    I agree with you Destry. I also think signing Drew keeps the Mets in contention longer and attracts more fans. More fans mean more revenue, which means more payroll flexibility, which means more money to compete in the free agent class next year. In other words, winning breeds winning and more winning, etc, etc.

  • Metsaholic

    Signing Drew make perfect sense. And you
    mentioned a point which I think is key, which is that Drew hits from the
    left and Tejada from the right. It makes for an excellent platoon. Drew would get 500 at bats against against right handers in 142 games. He’ll get plenty of rest and maintain performance. Tejada gets the other 20 games (or so) again left handers and is backup for the Murphy. It gives the team a solid backup at short and second, and late inning defense at second. It brings more power to the lineup. It gives the manager more line up options. It buys the team time to develop or trade for a SS down the line. It really isn’t that much money for a key position.

    The move should add more interest in the team and generate ticket
    sales. The players would also benefit from more new blood added to the
    mix. The team has not been that exciting to watch since they traded
    Reyes. Harvey brought some excitement, and we’ve been looking forward to Thor, but the more good everyday players you have the better. Add this to the teams strong daily pitching line-up and you have a team with a
    chance to win any given game.

  • I’ll pass it along to our team and see if we can have someone do a profile on Diaz at the very least.

  • Destry

    Agreed Sir. Lets get the fans back to the park

  • Destry

    Working on it now Joe, unless you have someone on it already

  • Hotstreak

    Drew could also STOP us from adding a bat or reliever from contending for 2nd WC stop. I use to hate term financial flexibility, but lets be honest with bonds due and stuck with this ownership it comes into play.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I’ll say it again Drew isnt a stud or a game changer but he is a big improvement on this team that would bring depth and some legitimacy to this lineup on offense and defense.

    Adding him gives this team soooo much depth. It would move Tejada into the role in which I think is perfect for him….than super utility role 2B/SS…It makes even more sense when you realize Drew and Murphy are Lefty’s so any given day versus tough leftys he can fill in for either to give them a breather and if one were to go down Id be comfortable with him filling in…..THATS DEPTH

    And it pays unlimited dividends in a 162 game season….I dont want to see Quintanilla in Queens….PLEASE no more of that, No offense to him but Im good.

    And the Whining about a potential 3rd year in a deal is nit picking…What the hell is up with all these 1yr-2yr deals…3yrs isnt long term and its not like the Mets have any SS prospect he’d be blocking in 3yrs anyway worst case scenario he’d be a trade chip for year 3….If necessary

    It makes too much sense which is why the Mets WONT SIGN HIM!

    Drew to the Mets is:
    -Too Public
    -Everyone thinks its a perfect match
    -It makes perfect sense
    -Boras is his agent
    -It would cost a 3rd Rd pick
    -And money
    -Mets are dragging this on

    Which is all the reasons why it wont happen….

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Thats a Lie….

    He was never late and out of shape for camp…Collins wanted him to come to camp EARLY!!!

    And he didnt come early he reported with everyone else….and that pissed Big bad Collins off and he put Tejada in his doghouse…and to justify that he started dropping BS to the media that Tejada was out of shape blah blah blah.

    The one season where Tejada gave in and came to camp early was last year…and ironically that was the year he looked like he put on a few pounds and had his worst season EVER! offensively and defensively.

  • donobrien

    What’s with wanting to trade Murphy? Led in BA, RBIs, and Runs Scored in 2013. Add Drew, absolutely, but don’t negate that by losing Murphy. What team are you watching, Eric Raffle?

  • donobrien

    We need a short stop AND a first baseman. Will we get them wrapped in one package? And what year will that happen? Put a good team on the field and the attendance will double, increasing yearly income by 100 million dollars. That’s 100 million every year. Attendance has dropped from 4 million to 2 million. Only one way to get them back. Not saying wait, wait, wait.

    When you sell a crappy product, you go out of business. Only the loyalty of Met fans allows the Wilpons to continue this charade. Sell the team, you ba……s. Some of us don’t have enough years left to wait for your family businesses to recover.

  • Destry

    I didnt purposely exclude the. I guess they’re too injury prone. Ha

  • AustinMets

    You are ignoring 2009 and 2013 injuries. What were they? Shouldn’t they be included in the conversation of injury prone? You would expect a player to play more games healthy in their earlier years. I can’t see how you can claim him to not be injury prone.

  • mad met

    Preaching to the choir bud. But as for now u cant buy a benz with corrola pockets

  • Bail4Nails

    Just read the article by Mitch. Great piece! Very cool to hear it from a scouting standpoint. Thanks!

  • Super T

    Late to the party as usual, but I read this at work earlier (can’t post though) and just wanted you to know I gave the Daniel Bryan “Yes”, “Yes”, “YES” chant at work while reading this article.

    The Mets need a SS. They have a pretty good one available sitting right in front of their face, and it is beyond pathetic instead of getting him signed they’re making ridiculous excuses as to why they won’t sign him. Even worse, so many “fans” making excuses for the team not to sign him as well.

    Great job with this article Dexx. You really summed it up nicely and pretty much laid to rest all of the lame excuses some fans are giving as why they don’t want to sign him.

  • mad met

    Boston ..totaly dis agree bud

  • mad met

    U get the right players at the right time. These are not them

  • mad met

    Bud the mets are in punt mode for 2014 . They are praying to god juan and travis play well and can distract the fans with hopes of promise future… granderson is a move to apease the fan base .. colon and young they are hopeing to play well so they can trade them for more prospects for trade purpose in 2015 when their chances are better.

  • Mike

    Agreed, The goal of every Gm is to have as many average or above average position players as possible. Just replacing an average to slightly above average player like Drew over an egregiously below average Tejada is like fixing a flat tire, makes it easier to get to your intended destination

  • Just_Da_damaja

    injury’s to SS only count when we are discussing Jose Reyes

  • Destry

    THen why sign Grandy or Young or COlon? Adding value to your roster is always a good thing. Tradable assets bring back value

  • Destry

    Thanks Super T. Glad you enjoyed the read

  • mad met

    I would 100% agree with you IF IF IF i believed they would spend big and give us a 120 mil payroll where it Should be but i dont .so no to your well said argument 🙂

  • Tony

    Die-hard Cardinals fan here … wondering, “What the heck are the Mets waiting for?” I would have signed Stephen Drew two months ago. I wanted the Cardinals to sign him! All right, we got Peralta and we got him without losing a single prospect — but Drew is the better deal.
    I have to think, sometimes, that Mets’ ownership really does not want to field a great team. They want to field a cheap team and hope they get lucky. That only works if your two top starters are named Tom Seaver and Jerry Koosman.

  • mad met

    Graderson was just to apease someof the fans. Colon and young arejust about hopeing and praying they play well enouph to trade… its not about winning for them…so why sign drew when better guys might be available and more of difference maker

  • mad met

    I do like this part of your argument but do u see them adding the right player

  • Thanks Destry

    This is a great article. I am convinced.

  • Destry

    Thank You. Love your screen name by the way.

  • RyanF55

    I think this is real simple: Drew is an upgrade to Tejada. That is undeniable. The reason the Mets haven’t made the upgrade is because of the asking price and the years. It’s about money and nothing else. As you stated, somewhere around 10 million a year is reasonable considering the ridiculous size of contracts lately – see our own .200 BA LF making over 7 million and Peralta 53 million dollar deal by the savvy Cardinals. The Mets don’t want to commit money to him, plain and simple. I have to say however that Drew’s big 2013 came hitting in this lineup:

    Red Sox Game 6 WS Lineup:
    Ellsbury, CF
    Pedroia, 2B
    Ortiz, DH
    Napoli, 1B
    Gomes, LF
    Victorino, RF
    Bogaerts, 3B
    Drew, SS
    Ross, C

    ….that surely played a role in the success.

  • BMac

    The Mets are never going to sign Drew. All arguments for or against are a waste of your time so don’t bother. The Mets payroll cannot increase because they lost a ton of money on Bernie Madoff and need payroll to remain the same, or lower, so they can pay off their creditors. It really is as simple as that.

  • skyking26

    Best reason not to sign Drew to a multi year. Hanley Ramirez in 2015