Mets Head Into Opening Day With Third Straight Year Of Reduced Payroll

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With Ruben Tejada, Ike Davis and Eric Young Jr all in tow for next season after settling with the Mets and avoiding arbitration, here is the most up to date payroll projection:

2014 Contracts:

David Wright $20M
Curtis Granderson $13M
Bartolo Colon $9M
Chris Young $7.25M
Jonathon Niese $5M
Ruben Tejada $1.1M
Ike Davis $3.5M
Eric Young Jr. $1.85M

Subtotal: $60.7M 

MLBTR Arbitration Estimates: 

Daniel Murphy $5.1M
Bobby Parnell $3.725M
Dillon Gee $3.55M
Lucas Duda $1.8M

Subtotal: $14.2M

According to ESPN New York:

To round out the roster, you need to add 13 players, at least at the $500,000 major league minimum, for an additional $6.5 million.

Additionally, since you are paying more than 25 players at any given time since some land on the disabled list, you need to factor that in as well. A team official estimated that cost at $4 million to $4.5 million a season. So we’ll take the midpoint: $4.25 million.

Subtotal: $10.75M

That gives us a grand total of $85.65 million in projected payroll…

Will payroll exceed last year’s $93.2 million Opening Day figure? That would mean adding another $7-8 million dollars in a player or two. It could happen, but given what Sandy Alderson said earlier this week, I doubt it.

According to Sandy the Mets want another back end starter, but only on a minor league deal. He also said he’d like to add a veteran reliever on a major league deal, but we’re talking $1-2 million here, tops…

The word is that they expect to go into the season with Ruben Tejada at shortstop. It’s looking less and less like some ploy to get Scott Boras to hand them over Stephen Drew on a one year, $9 million contract. It’s a nice theory, but nobody expects that to happen.

So… There’s a good chance that the Mets go into the 2014 season with a third straight reduction in payroll… Wait, what… Someone get Fred on the line for me…

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  • Charley’s Twin

    Revolting.

  • The fact that they reduced payroll again plus add the fact they were given 25m in new TV money and it makes it even more obvious that these owners are broke.

  • Matt Mosher

    Real shocker. The “plan” is in full effect.

    Again, what was that about them wanting to win?

  • Matt Mosher

    Exactly. That’s what they’re banking on. We’ll see.

  • AJF

    They only care about making a dollar thats all ! They could care less about winning.At this rate the Bridgeport Bluefish will have a bigger payroll

  • ColoradoMetsFan

    Talent evaluation at the prospect level is certainly a concern. All we seem to draft are projects…

  • SonOfBromancer

    Unfortunately, it also means, contrary to their disingenuous rhetoric, that
    for our best and most richly rewarded players, our “leaders”, Wright and Granderson, winning is secondary. Couple that with the band of bozos below them, and you have a recipe for more misery.

  • Charley’s Twin

    We’re going to have a 74 win threepeat

  • Matt Mosher

    Of course it is!! They only care about keeping the team. If they can win, great. But its not the primary focus.

  • SonOfBromancer

    Sure, but I wasn’t referring to ownership, Matt, I was talking about Face-O-Franchise and Curtis “I want to play for a winner” Granderson.

  • Matt Mosher

    My bad….yes, you’re right.

  • Not4

    Sorry, but all of you have to grow up. Please provide specifics on exactly who you would have liked them to spend additional $$ this off season. It’s easy to slam a team for not spending $$, but pissing away money into bad contracts on bad players is part of what got us into the mess in the first place. We finally are in a place where we are spending $$ on players who can actually help the team, with a few somewhat costly flyers in Chris Young (fortunately only 1 year) and Grandy (for 3 years, which could look great or could stink for us depending upon whether he bounces back). I’m far less concerned with payroll relative to last year and more concerned with whether there are prudent ways to improve the team, without hamstringing us with lousy, costly LT contracts

  • Keep in mind that about $56M of that $93.2M were on 4 players that was not on the Opening Day active roster. Two of which that never appeared in a game (Santana, Bay) and the other two combined to pitch just 84.2/IP (Marcum, Francisco).
    The payroll for the active Opening Day roster was $38.5M. Barring injuries to a combination of players like Wright, Granderson, Young and Colon the Mets will hopefully at least end up having more of their invested payroll on the field as opposed to the DL.

  • Drew

    The fact of the matter is that my beloved Mets will not sniff even the second wildcard spot for the next decade or so.
    Mets fans should understand this and move on with their lives. There’s nothing to see from the Mets until years after David Wright retires and Matt Harvey has left the Mets for probably the Braves or Dodgers.

  • diehardmets

    This. The only two players you can really make a case for are Drew and Abreu, neither of whom are slam dunks by any stretch of the imagination. There is a lot of pitching available, but that’s the last thing this team needs right now.

  • WilponsStinkLessNow

    And they will finish with 74-77 wins again…

  • jjong

    High Payroll doesn’t necessary means playoff or contending team. But for NY Team it is a disgrace when it is projected so low… The off season has yet to begin and more additions are still need to be done but let us see what transpire before Spring Training before really bashing the team.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    really? now that should call for a lifetime ban IMO

  • SRT

    This ^

    I cannot imagine what this off season would have looked like if we didn’t have that infusion of new TV money – since it appears that’s all they’ve spent while pocketing all the money coming off the books – which I’m assuming is ear-marked to pay down debt.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Can we get off this “payroll equates to playoffs” kick every Mets fan is on? The Rays make the playoffs all the time and they spend even less. Calm down.

  • SonOfBromancer

    I didn’t want them to spend money on any free agents now; I wanted them to actually rebuild. Extending Wright and signing Granderson only serves to prolong mediocrity.

  • Tectaru

    They were also extremely bad for many years which doesn’t hurt in the draft department. And, they have never won the world series.

  • sperry

    It’s not that payroll = success. Yes, you can absolutely win with a small payroll when you have inexpensive talent. The problem is that the Mets don’t have that–we have guys like Tejada, Duda, Satin, etc–who are both inexpensive and not talented. Yet, the FO keeps giving them a million chances instead of finding new players (which may cost more), so that’s where the criticism comes from.

  • RyanF55

    The most contested debate in the history of the Mets: Does how much you spend matter? Here’s what I do know…a payroll under 90 million, in the most powerful market in the nation, is pathetic by 2013 standards. That’s right…pathetic. What I also know is there is a reason the payroll is under 86 million –> it’s the direct result of having question marks at SS, 1B, CF, LF, C, in the Bullpen and 5th starter. That, in a nut shell, is why the payroll is so low. If we had Stephen Drew for example and a proven 1B and CF, that would drive up payroll likely around 115-120 million. Low payroll = low proven talent. This isn’t rocket science.

    That said, there will HOPEFULLY be the need to sign Wheeler, Syndergaard, Harvey, d’Arnaud, Murphy etc to long term deals. So that has the potential to considerably drive up payroll. Still, it doesn’t excuse Wilpon diversion of funds from the product on the field to pay for illegal financial wrong doings. We desperately need a SS and there is a solid veteran available, but we won’t go near him because of price. Cecchini is years away and Tovar isn’t exactly coveted. It’s situations like this, that seem like no-brainers, that only draw the conclusion that the team can’t spend, not that it’s choosing not to from a strategical standpoint.

  • RyanF55

    Great point.

  • NCMetsfan

    Compare Ray ticket prices to Mets prices. Until they match prices, then you can compare them.

  • Charley’s Twin

    you just saved me a lot of typing

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Satin is a bench player. Relax. Tejada and Duda. Fine. But who do you want? Drew is not that good and not worth the cost. If he was, he’d have signed already and you’d be complaining about him by May. Who’s available to play first base other than Ike/Duda? Kendrys Morales?

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    “Many years”? The Pirates were extremely bad for “many years.” The Mets have been bad for a few years and Sandy’s taken three draft picks and none are ready because, you know, that’s how the draft works.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    So complain about the scouting department. But no, it’s about payroll. Tell me Mr. GM, who would you have signed this offseason to get the Mets into the World Series?

  • DrDooby

    Odds are the Mets still sign a major league reliever and a backup SS to a major legue deal. Ultimately, I’d expect a payroll right around 90 million. Which probably will be among the 10 lowest in the majors.

    In general, I don’t have a problem with that at the beginning of a – hopefully – extended winning cycle as long as it can gradually rise going forward, so an extra 25+ million is available for the next couple of winters to address the main needs going forward. If the payroll is to stay within a 90 to 105 million window going forward and the Wilpons plan to use profts as debt downpayment, that’ll spell trouble..

  • Tectaru

    And the Pirates have had some recent success as well brought on by young players. But the Mets have been bad but they’ve always been middle of the road bad. Being extremely bad gets you higher draft picks which tend to be better bets.

  • I want to apologize to all of you for the hateful/racist comments posted by Mike earlier this afternoon in this thread. They have all been deleted and the user has been blacklisted. No room for offensive comments like that on a baseball site. Sorry, to any who were offended.

  • somedude718

    I think the biggest problem is trust, here. I know we have a very young team, and if this young team does have the goods and will grow into contention (or soon will), we need to have a low payroll now, so that we are able to maintain a core, going forward, as player salaries rise. But will they (Wilpons) raise payroll, when the time comes? I am honestly torn on that.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Mike who??????

  • $14435385

    Winning has never been part of the Wilpon’s plan – at least not as its primary focus. The Mets are Fred’s Rosebud; possessing the team is all that has ever really mattered. The only reason they spent anything at all this offseason is to give the impression they still had a seat at the table so fans wouldn’t drop off completely. But winning takes a distant second (at best) to doing what’s necessary to keep control of the team. Fans are an inconvenient truth to owning a baseball team that the Wilpons would just as soon do without…

  • calamityfrancis

    This payroll is just disgraceful. I get what Sandy is doing, and I support it but with a 110-120k payroll (still very low for NY market) we get Abreu at 1B and Choo instead of Chris Young and maybe a Drew on top of that.

  • Joey D.

    Hi somedude,
    This young team already has many of the goods in which a few more key additions for two or three seasons could make it a legit contender for post season during that stretch while the prospects that are not yet ready to fill many of those remaining holes develop further and are hopefully ready to begin the transitional process that replaces these players at the end of their contractual run.
    So considering the state of the team as we are today, it is no longer having a low payroll because it’s reflective of a young team – it is a calculated decision to sustain a low payroll instead, reflective of having to apply as much of the limited resources this organization has to paying off it’s debt obligations in lieu of improving the team. Despite high net revenue from television, advertising, merchandising, etc. it is not enough to sustain paying off the debt and investing in the operating budget that goes into the payroll and other administrative costs at the same time.
    In fact, we do not have the resources to pay back $250 million in loans we are responsible for this coming June and are again seeking another re-financing deal with J.P. Morgan.
    So if it is still a question of trust regarding priority and motive, I hope this helps in reaching an answer.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Don’t know no Mike, I am sure if you don’t like him, he must be a threat to your sandy loving ways….

  • Stupidseasonticketholder

    If Sandy were able to get Drew for two years there might be fans at Citifield in August. We NEED a SS. Tejada is a slap hitter who we all hope bats 260. Spend the money Freddie

  • Joey D.

    Hi Ryan,
    Of course. If we had most of our questions addressed with the payroll we currently have, nobody would care about the final amount. But we don’t and the concern of Sterling Mets is to keep that payroll at the level it is rather than to invest more in order to address more of those issues. We took steps with Granderson and Colon (PED and all) to make up for Harvey, now if we only added some more punch to the lineup in addition to Grandy – of which there were many credible options available this past Fall that fit into our needs – we could be really looking forward to a possibly great summer based on expectations regarding moves that were made to improve the club rather than hopes that this and that with a little luck from that could bring things together.
    To say we still have to be patient is to ask why – we already have the pitching and as one knows, pitching is the hardest attribute to come by.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Yeah, you said spending increases your chances of winning. Tell that to the Angels. Wow. Look at all those wins they got last season after spending all that money.

    It’s not just spending money that makes you better. It’s spending it on the right people. That’s fine if you want Arroyo. I want Arroyo too and he’s still available. But don’t make the Mets out to be stupid for not signing him when 29 other teams have left him sitting there as well. And Kazmir? Come on. You think the Mets were going to bring Kazmir BACK to New York and risk a bust? Nobody has been wishing we had him back.

    And why does Granderson have bust potential? Because he was hurt last season? Freak injuries. The ballpark is bigger? He used to play in Comerica.

    Let’s face it. You and basically the entire fanbase is so down on this team that unless they spent like the Yankees or somehow signed the next Lou Gherig, no one was going to be satisfied.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Are you really saying that people will come out to Citi to see Drew?

    Please that is insane.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    We hope Tejada hits .260? You do know what Drew hit last season, right? And for that matter, his career BA? He’s not some huge upgrade.

  • Stupidseasonticketholder

    I think we’ll be close to 500 with him on the team. 500 in August is only 3-5 games back in the wild card. At that point ‘ya gotta believe’ At least for a few weeks. I know we’re a couple years away, but at least i want a distant smell of the playoffs

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    You are a piece of work Alex,”

    This^^^

  • Taskmaster4450

    There is a segment of the fan base that simply cannot let go of the myth that the Wilpon’s issue for decades: that we will spend our way to success. 20+ years of Met ineptitude but for a few good seasons isnt enough to show that spending money doesnt equate to winning pennants. In the Mets case, it didnt even equate to playoff appearances.

  • mad met

    Way better fielder . Add 15 hrs . And a winners aditude .. not a cry baby.. that has to go to fat camp .

  • Taskmaster4450

    You want facts. Here are all the facts which can be proven.

    1991-2012 3rd highest payroll in baseball and the only 3 playoff appearances (5th worst in baseball).

    So what other teams do is meaningless because when it comes to spending money, the Mets were not successful at it.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Well you arent in touch with reality I can see.

    Maybe take your own advice and move on then.

  • mad met

    You had me at first .but lost me with abreu and choo.. young was unnessary…

  • mad met

    As per this sad payroll .. almost 30 mil of it came from tv deal everone got. Where is the money that came off the books from last year ..what 40 mil or so. Guess that dont count

  • Taskmaster4450

    “Billy Beane let Colon go and spent that money on Kazmir.”

    What does this point prove? The Red Sox let Ellsbury go without lifting a finger. Does that mean the Yankees made a mistake in signing him?

    Sure Kazmir and Arroyo might be good signings….but they might not be. You want to call Granderson a bust when the fact is that, outside of Cano, no FA that was available didnt come without major questions. Kazmir had one good year back but he was never a consideration because would never want to be reminded of that wonderful trade he forced a decades ago. And Arroyo, let us see what a non-PED 37 year old has left in the tank. All these guys hit a wall (including Colon which makes his signing perplexing) due to age.

  • Stupidseasonticketholder

    15 homers is a few wins..Better fielder a couple more. That moves 75 wins to 80.. Even when Tejada was “good” a couple years ago he looked like a boy playing a mans game

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Not paying him all that money for his glove. Not hitting 15 hr with half his games at Citi. “Winning attitude.” That comes from actually winning games, which the Mets don’t do.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Its Friday Alex…I will give you an up vote for that.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    Well that’s one of the most simplistic views of baseball I’ve ever seen. Add Drew for five extra wins even though, with the Red Sox lineup, he posted a 3 WAR.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I dont think Drew brings them much closer to the playoffs over Tejada. Drew isnt Tulo who is going to make a major difference. His power numbers will drop and his defense isnt GG. If Tejada can get above .250 with the defense he showed a few years ago, he will be right there with Drew (minus what little power Drew would have in Citi).

    Let’s be honest, Drew is a borderline back up himself. It isnt as if he is a top 5 or even top 10 SS.

  • ThatGuyWhoLeavesComments

    That’s right. Well, hopefully the Mets will go into a two-decade tailspin of embarrassment that will net us those draft picks.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Drew wouldnt hit 15 HRs in Citi if he was standing at 2B.

    Lets be honest, this guy isnt the second coming of Babe Ruth.

  • Taskmaster4450

    2012 Tejada was much better than Drew. Many seem to forget that.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Funny winning attitude means something for Drew but means nothing for Granderson.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Task, you know me better than getting into some attention wanting non baseball knowledge DB like him.. i won’t waste my time…

  • Taskmaster4450

    We have had our back and forths but we have always tried to keep it about baseball.

    And the only one who has a right to call you “mangled” is your wife. 🙂

  • Stupidseasonticketholder

    Drew is a middle of the road shortstop with a ring. Unless Tovar is the answer in 2015 we need Drew for two years. I’m hoping the Red Sox want Bogaerts to play SS and Sandy once again pulls a rabbit out

  • Joey D.

    Hi Task,

    That’s not as insane as it sounds.

    Remember what Mike Nesmith said when trying to promote the Monkees tour back in 1967? “if you don’t believe we play our own instruments come out tonight and see for yourselves.”

    Fans might pay to specifically see Drew simply because they still wouldn’t believe the Mets actually spent money to acquire him – and won’t be convinced until they see it with their own eyes. 🙂

  • Stupidseasonticketholder

    What happens if Tajada bats 240.

  • DrDooby

    In 2013 the difference between Drew & the otherworldly Quintanilla / Tejada combo actually was about 5 wins in terms of value.

    Now, Drew is likely to regress a little compared to 2013 – though he’ll probably do better than most projections think which can’t account for the fact that he missed half of 2011 and half of 2012 with the very same injury and his drop in numbers in 2012 was directly related to that cery injury.

    And Tejada is likely to bounce back some as his performance in 2013 was pretty close to the worst possible outcome.

    Realistically, expect Drew to post the same OBP as Tejada – but have 10 more HR and play bette defense.
    And actually, the Drew / Tejada combo would be quite solid too, giving the Mets nice depth.

  • mad met

    Well played my friend .. nice dig. Props . I love a witty comment .city is big . Agreed but auto upgrade over what we got and we need help big time

  • mad met

    Again i like granderson but he is not what we needed we need a four we got a six… just my opionion. But with young ike and wright thats like 700-800 k’s

  • DrDooby

    People will come to CitiField once the team starts winning AND people start believing again.
    And that’s true whether the SS is Tejda, Drew or Tulowitzki.
    Winning makes the Mets draw fans. Signing or trading for names doesn’t do anything.

    If you check out Mets attendanc records, you can see a very obvious relation between the impact of winning (or losing) and attendanc the following season.
    The 2014 will be laying the groundwork for the 2015 attendance. 86 wins in 2014 and contending deep into the season would have more of a positive impact on 2015 than trading for Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez next winter after a 76 win season in 2014 would. At least, according to historic attendance figures for the Mets.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Oh stop.

    And what happens if Drew his sub .230 like in 2012?

    We could play the what if games all day long.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Middle of the road.

    Look at this list:

    Tulo, Rollins, Simmon,s Escobar, Hardy, Reyes, Desmond, Iglesias, Cabrera, Ramiriez, Hanley, Cozart, Segura, Castro, Gregorias, Cabrera, Andrus, Lowrie

    These are all SS that Drew would be backing up. He isnt middle of the road. He is lower third at best….perhaps lower 1/4.

  • Mike

    These Wilpons need to go I think we’re in the ten cheapest club category, whada joke I guess all if that money coming off the books is going directly into the wilpon’s empty pockets, but please all buy your season tix now!! I guess spending 30 million bucks total on three new players is supposed to get the fan base excited cause they’ve spent zero the last three yrs?

  • Phoenix Met

    Your fan club is growing Alex!

  • Taskmaster4450

    Well then Met fans will be out in droves since they are stunned that the Mets signed Granderson, Colon, and CY.

  • Taskmaster4450

    With Alex, there is passion among both his defenders and his detractors.

  • Stupidseasonticketholder

    Your right about those names. We still can use him. Unless we’re ready to trade young pitching for one of the names on your list

  • RyanF55

    Not to mention the MLB TV deal netted them 25 million to spend this year. So, in theory, they spent 5 million out of pocket on acquisitions. Disgraceful.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Selling tickets was always Fred Wilpon’s goal. That was his primary concern every off season. Most signings were done with the thought of what it would do to season ticket sales. Baseball sense wasnt part of the equation. That is why Fred never cared about the minors because it is a future payoff. His sole concern is what season tickets were sold come ST.

  • Bromancer

    I think it was Baron.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    LMAO!! PHOENIXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    My buddy!!! where have you been?? guys, i’ve been asking for you guys, man… this new “disqus” system has made all the good baseball people banish… stick around here man, i’d like to discuss baseball once in a while
    #TheCORE

  • Taskmaster4450

    Bourne was an upgrade over what the Mets had in 2012. Yet we saw that missing out on him was a good thing since a) he didnt provide much more than EY and b) he would have blocked Lagares.

    Plus, the same thing could be said about BJ Upton. He was an upgrade over the CF combo of 2012 for the Mets of Kirk etal. Of course, that was before he posted sub Ike numbers all for the low sum of $15M.

  • Mike

    Tejada’s lifetime slugging is 312 drew’s is 436 much much much more extra base hits. 312 is like 5th worse in baseball over last three years out of like 500 players!!! Throw in bad work ethic, self entitlement and spotty defense and u have a player who begs to be replaced!

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Lmao, Pretty much.. Me and you hardly agree on things. yet, we’ve kept the respect side of things.. i used to be like that with MNJ but he too went to the “good” side….

  • oleosmirf

    The offseason isn’t over yet. I think it’s reasonable to assume an extra 3-5 million added by the time ST starts.

  • Taskmaster4450

    You dont know who will be available off that list (or what other studs) will be available. Things can change a great deal between January and OD let alone the trading deadline. A key injury or two and suddenly a team is willing to move a particular player to fill a need. And with desperation comes good deals.

  • Tacohow

    If we signed Bourne he could play left field and bat lead off, Legares in center and Granderson in right, CY on some other team. Doesn’t sound bad to me

  • Joey D.

    Hi Task,

    Good thinking – I never thought of it in that context.

    The Mets better cover themselves with what’s printed on the back of ticket stubs, you know, about not being responsible for injuries sustained due to the playing of baseball. They might want to add not being responsible for heart attacks sustained due to seeing they actually spent money.

  • DrDooby

    Drew is pretty much in the 8 to 16 range among MLB SS. Which means he’s a slightly above average overall SS. Tejada certainly isn’t in the Top 20, so Drew would be a significant improvement on paper.

    .750 OPS career SS aren’t too common, especially if they play average to above average defense.

    Again, Drew certainly isn’t exciting or would seem like a long term answer. But he’d buy the Mets two years of time and make it very likely they are solid at SS in the meantime.

  • Anthony Schifano

    This really has to stop with the Wilpon’s. How the commissioner hasn’t stepped in is beyond me, but then he’s a terrible commissioner altogether so what do I know.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Hey JoeD,

    Whats the PAYROLL PERCENTAGE????

    I wanna know if we’re going to win a championship this year…And Payroll percent is all that matters ;P

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Leave Selig alone he is busy doing 60minutes and giving millions of dollars to a guy(Bosch) who sells drugs to kids.

  • Anthony

    So was aroid and it wasn’t millions

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Unfortunately A-roid isnt the commissioner of baseball…

  • Anthony

    Well in order to get dirt on dirtbags you can’t always deal with choir boys.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Arod is a dirtbag because he takes Roids

    BUT

    BOSCH supplied Aroid and how many other MLB players exactly??? And kids who will one day be drafted???

    There wont be anymore choir boys because Bosch wouldve just them all up

  • slainte2

    what is payroll percentage?

  • Joey D.

    Hi Alex and Reed,

    Alex, ya know I love you and though I didn’t see this Mike’s comments that were banned, however, since they were described as ” hateful/racist comments” I’m sure we all were offended by them regardless of what our opinion of Sandy Alderson might be.

    Reed, ya gotta realize that Alex is a legend here at MMO and not just with us, his fellow “core” members and that he has a reputation for responding that would make Joe Bidden sound like Pope Francis.

    With that in mind, it’s no wonder why I have dubbed him our core’s “fearless leader” but be assured that offers us little or no protection from immunity as well, right Alex? LOL

  • DrDooby

    Task, with all due respect, but please explain why you feel Zack Cozart, Didi Gregorius, Alexei Ramirez, Yunel or Alcides Escobar, Asrdubal Cabrera, Starljn Castro and Jimmy Rollins (not the 2008 All Star but the more recent version) are BETTER players than Drew. May I suggest listing your choice of 2013 offense totals or 3-year totals from 2011 through 2013 (thus, punishing Drew for one big injury) or using WAR totals ? Again, why is Drew WORSE than any of them ?
    Again, not claiming he better in any way shape or form. But I fail to see evidence that makes him appear worse. Has Zack Cozart ever posted a .300 OBP in a season ? How have StarlinCastro and Asdrubal Cabrera performed recently ? What about the latter two’s SS defense ?

    I understand a lack of excitement for Drew and there’s an argument to be made that adding him to the 2014 won’t be vital to their 2014 playoff chances anyway. But Drew is closer to being a Top 10 SS in the majors than he is to being a bottom 15 SS in the majors (among projected starters)…

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    ReedRothchild – 3 days ago

    I love what sandy alderson has done since coming on board”

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Hi joey d, lol, well said… they’ll get the idea soon enough

  • Joey D.

    Hi Alex,

    Yup – none of us are immune from your wrath! LOL

  • pennmetsfan

    Please explain which free agents left will make the Mets into a championship team. None right? Then increasing payroll for no reason doesn’t make sense. I don’t see a point to increasing payroll at this point.

    This article is a typical “bait” to being out the crazy rants. There isn’t anyone left to sign that’s worth it. Drew is the only possible target but if he was really worth it he would be signed already.

  • Not4

    Seriously Reed? That was pretty funny. While I believe there are good arguments on both sides as to who will be more productive over the next two years between Colon or Kazmir, that is an entirely different point. They signed virtually identical 2 year, $20 million/$22 million contracts. (Kazmir has had enough injuries over the years and has a fairly violent delivery, so I would not begrudge any GM from being apprehensive about signing him. Time will tell whether Beane or Alderson made the better deal here)

    My issue is with people who gripe about the lack of spending $$ for the sake of spending money – not who the money is spent on.

    To the extent that we limit your argument to the point that Alderson should shell out some more $$ to sign Aroyo, well that is a lucid argument, but it seems one that could still come to fruition. I mean, he is still unsigned by not just the Mets, but by all other MLB teams. Could be that he is asking too much in years or $$ or could just be that he and other pitchers are waiting to see how much Tanaka signs for. Either way, as long as it is a 1-2 year commitment for reasonable $$, I wouldn’t be opposed to this move. Even entering his age 37 season, he has continued to pitch effectively the last few years – albeit as more of an innings eater, No. 4 type of starter. If he ultimately commands a salary in the $10mm/year range, I’d personally pass, as to me, that is too steep for a pitcher who profiles as an innings eater back of the rotation guy. I’m also partial to giving Mejia a shot, who is, no doubt, an injury risk and a big question mark. Just always loved his stuff and make up.

  • Phoenix Met

    I’ve been lurking around here and there. Was mostly using cell phone and at first Disqus was difficult to see/navigate comments, but now is all good. I’ll be around my friend.

  • mad met

    There are 30 teams u can make trades with .. all u gotta do is pick up a phone

  • pennmetsfan

    Who gets traded? No one wants to give anything good. They just want to steal the Mets best pitchers and give garbage back. Unless Sandy can get something for Ike then the Mets are kinda stuck. No way would I trade any of the top pitching prospects unless you get an all star caliber player in return.

  • MDonaldWilpon

    That tells me the fault is in the owners’ box because 1)They hire the wrong people; or 2) are meddling too much.

    In other words, they are either incompetent or too stupid to know the difference. I think it’s a combination of both…

  • JerseyCityMetsFan

    LOL I love the main picture

  • SHOCKED…(should say) no Mets fan ever.

    I just hope the young kids step up this year because we might also be on our way to a worse team than the previous year, for the fourth…nope, fifth year in a row.

    P.S. I know we tied with 74 wins, but the Pythgorean W-L was one game better in 2012, so I’m sticking with my story.

  • mad met

    There are about 15 teams that would gladly shed payroll plus u can offer a propect or two does not always have to be your number 1 guy. The way all these met fans talk we must be loaded with talent apparently dominic smith should be in the hall of fame now. And i like the kid . And murphy is just holding back florez .if he is so good hiw come we cant get anything for him

  • mad met

    Your complaining about other teams and you want to give them ike. Come on

  • metFAN660

    Does this matter? Is there a single person on here wouldn’t have more fun watching a low payroll team over-deliver than a high payroll team under-deliver? How many more 2006’s, 2007’s, and 2008’s will you need to endure to finally admit that spending money does not automatically bring Championships. SMH.

  • metFAN660

    Not to mention they wouldn’t have been able to draft Dom Smith, either. I really think a lot of these trolls are Yankees fans who desperately want the Mets to keep sucking.

  • metFAN660

    Oh yeah! He’s a huge draw! SMH. 🙂

  • Dave

    Trade Flores

  • Dave

    And both would have cost a 1st round pick and lost of draft pool $.

    Drew costs the mets a 3rd round pick.

  • DrDooby

    So would make trading Syndergaard, Montero, Plawecki, Flores and Tejada for Jose Reyes and Jose Bautista get you all amped up about 2014 and ready to start printing flags ?
    The Mets the way they are currently made up will heavily depend on their YOUNG TALENT. It´s up to Wheeler, Mejia, the young relievers, d´Arnaud and others to make this work. Or fail. And the right way to build a team that can win in the long haul is to build a foundation first and then look to add major pieces. There was exactly one major piece on the free agent market this winter who can be labeled a potential “difference maker”. That was Robinson Cano. And I´m not sure that a 10-year, 240 million $ contract would have been the best of investments to make for the Mets at this point. And there is no player who got traded this winter who would have been this type of difference maker either with all due respect to future DH Prince Fielder coming off a down year.
    The Mets did add a couple of very respectable pieces in Granderson & Colon this winter – both receiving more than any other free agents signed under Alderson so far. But they are more cogs towards short term respectability and not long term building blocks.

  • mad met

    There are always thing to do. You dont have to trade everyone ..take on some salary add in 1or two young players a florez and a degrom … you could not have made a deal with yanks for gardner to lead off ? You would not made an offer to mccann ?? Ask about encarcion ? How is young helping this team

  • DrDooby

    You’re not getting Gardner for Flores & DeGrom. And certainly not Encarnacion either. In general, there has been a very small number of trades this winter in all of MLB. Teams are holding out for the next Wil Myers or next Syndergaard / d’Arnaud and others are reluctant to part with them.
    Heck. the Mets have been holding out for s Top 100 prospect arm for Ike Davis…

  • mad met

    As far as most of these mets fans are concerned florez is the next hall of famer . Thats exactly my point nobody wants to trade anything yet they are not worth much what is it ?

  • mad met

    Peullo grom nimmo florez smith hierrara lugaras black montero syndagard degrom ect ect and we cant trade for a ss or a firstbasemen while taking on salery . One example insert mccann and gardner into this line up … young and granderson are not getting us to the playoffs

  • Michael

    People are always equating high payroll with success. TALENT and HEART win more over.

  • mad met

    So what jesey did u buy this year for your kids the steriod colon one or the young jersey ..cause next season i would love to buy everyone i know a mets tulu jersey .. thats also revenue

  • mad met

    Yeah just ask the royals and astros …. Wake up !!! And money does not buy happiness said the dude with no money. Just like everything else money always helps

  • nvmets10

    So you can only sign free agents if it makes you into a championship team? Absolutely ridiculous. For an organization with THIS many holes, especially, you have to start SOMEWHERE. And the free agent market next offseason is absolutely miserable. Simply bringing in Granderson this offseason can in no way be considered good enough. My gosh, you’ve got to be kidding. We came in with both corner outfield spots, 1B, and SS as major problems and only addressed one. Chris Young sure as hell doesn’t count as a solution.

  • Michael

    Did spending money all those years give us championships? Remember the worse team money could buy? 1992 Mets with Viola etc……..its HOW you spend not HOW MUCH dude