Mets Avoid Arbitration With Ike Davis, Brewers Sign Mark Reynolds

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It looks like the Milwaukee Brewers are on the verge of signing first baseman Mark Reynolds according to Ken Rosenthal, thus ending any chance that they would be a landing spot for Ike Davis.

The Mets and Ike Davis avoided arbitration earlier today, and agreed to a one-year deal, worth $3.5 million dollars according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Davis earned $3.1 million last year, so this deal gives him a little raise over last year’s $3.1 million.

Davis played in just 103 games last season, and batted .205 with a .326 on-base percentage, .334 slugging percentage, nine homers, 33 RBI and 101 strikeouts in 317 at-bats.

Sandy Alderson said Ike will be in camp this Spring after months of engaging teams such as the Brewers, Orioles and Pirates in trade talks to move him. He doesn’t expect any lingering hurt feelings.

“Awkwardness should not exist in Mets camp this spring.”

Alderson had reached out to Davis a couple of weeks ago. “He was in a good mood,” the Mets GM said. “I don’t think any of this talk over the winter has bothered him. I think he’s anxious to get to Spring Training and show what he can do. I was certainly pleased by that.”

Ike has told teammates and friends that he genuinely does want to remain with the Mets, so I suspect all will be well at Camp Mets next month.

The one thing to watch is if the Mets end up cutting Davis before the season begins and just paying him $600K, especially if he shows no improvement during Spring Training. It’s definitely a possibility, but we’ll see…

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  • TurksSpecialPeanutbutter

    .305? Wow, he really picked it up in the second half……

  • Joey D.

    Hi Joe D.,

    .305? Wow, and to think I’VE been accused of re-writing history! LOL

  • Justin Anthony

    Does anyone think Vernon Wells would be a good pickup for us? Invite him to Spring Training and see what he can do. He could be a valuable asset off the bench and be a good backup option in case Lagares/Chris Young fail to live up to expectations. Who knows, he could even be this year’s version of Marlon Byrd

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Who knows if it’s gonna be Ike/Satin or Duda/Satin, or even Flores in the mix at 1B — but either way I can’t wait til the season starts.

    Unless Terry botches the whole thing up, I like the idea that pretty much going into this season whichever lefty the Mets decide to go with is gonna be platooned with Satin, and both guys’ strengths should be utilized. Call me an optimist, but combined I think Ike/Satin could give you at least an .800 OPS out of the 1B position.

  • SpinalRemains

    Haha. Impossible for him to have hit .305.

    This guy sports a – avg. in May I think.

  • E1Guapo

    Optimist. LGM.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Here’s to hoping to see the youth on the roster grow, to other guys having bounce-back years, and to the new signings working out and….

    Coming soon to a pitcher’s mound in Queens…

  • SpinalRemains

    What did the groundskeeper get? Or his rake? Neither of those disappear for 3 months.

  • spud

    Are you kidding me. I like Ike………….a raise? He stunk it up for the last two years. A season has two halves.

    I need to be a baseball player. I am jealous !!

  • skyhappysal

    No,no no. Vernon can’t play CF anymore. We don’t need him unless we are planning on platooning Grandy

  • SpinalRemains

    Well to be fair, Ike’s services were in demand elsewhere so Sandy had to pay a little bit. The mayor of Lincolnshire wanted to try a new source of wind energy by throwing 0-2 sliders in the dirt to Ike.

  • somedude718

    If Ike walks away from this off-season and thinks anything other than “there is no team in Major League Baseball that values me as highly as the NY Mets”, he was never long for the Majors, anyway. I think we get a good year out of Ike this year.

  • Randolph Scott

    What did the 2 Japanese groundskeepers say when they heard Ike got a raise?

    “He’s still sh!tty”

  • BehindTheBag

    My math is a little rusty, but I’d say that works out to about…$15K per strikeout.

    Not bad for a days work.

  • HillsideAve

    Whew!….what a relief that the Mets avoided arbitration on this one.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Vernon Wells has been terrible for the last 3 years. Not sure how many OFs will be on the roster and how things will shake out, but off the top of my head I’d rather roll with Granderson/Lagares/Chris Young/EYJR, and I guess den Dekker.

  • Taskmaster4450

    The power of positive thinking on Joe D’s part.

  • BehindTheBag

    I prefer Manny Ramirez, he’s got more pow…wait, is it 2014? Damn, based on your post, I thought it was 2006! No, I don’t think Vernon Wells’ calcified remains would be a good pickup for us.

  • AndyB

    He hit .305? What, counting BP?

  • Bail4Nails

    I don’t care who starts the season at First Base, as long as Flores ends it there. And Sandy, Get Us A Real SS/Leadoff Hitter! SIGN ALEDMYS DIAZ!! Let’s Go Mets…in 2015!

  • Taskmaster4450

    It must mean that he hit the ball 30.5% of the time that he swung.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Ike hits .200 or so with less than 10 Hrs and gets a $400K raise while Tejada hits .210 and gets a $600K raise.

    It is good to be a major league baseball players.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Looks like we’ll go with an Ike/Duda/Satin platoon.

  • sperry

    Cutting him to save 3 million dollars is dumber than even the least attractive trade proposal

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Good pick up by mil, low price contract, didnt have to trade any prospects, and almost the same upside as ike.

  • WillisReid

    That’s not a platoon, it’s a crowd.

  • HillsideAve

    I hear you. I wonder how bad you have to be not to get a raise. I don’t think you can be worse and still be on a major league 40 man. It’s like kindergarten where everyone gets an award. Only in America.

  • Lotus1209

    Same upside as Ike?

    Everyone knows what Reynolds is. Close to mendoza line average with 30-40 homers.

    Ike’s potential is more than that. Ike’s potential is 260 with 35 homers and GG defense. Thats Adrian Gonzalez-esque

  • Rocky Thompson

    Den Dekker will start the season in AAA. The 5th outfielder will be either Andrew Brown or Kirk Nieuwenhuis.

  • Bail4Nails

    I’m going to sneak onto the field this season and get ONE hit. I can’t wait to be a millionaire!

  • Super T

    The $200M+ contract Kershaw just signed = approx $1M per start.

  • Rocky Thompson

    I’ve always thought Pittsburgh was a more likely place for Ike Davis to be traded than Milwaukee. The Pirates are in a win now mode (as evidenced by the Byrd trade last season) and they have more minor league talent than the Brewers.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    I’m down with Brown and his career .706 OPS vs lefties. It’s not earth-shattering, but I’m not sure what the league average is for righty-pinch-hittery types anyway.

    Either way the dude has pop and I believe can help the 2014 Mets for sure.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    I love ike, but did he his 305 after being brought up from triple A???

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Umm of the two players reynolds is the only one ever to actually hit 260 and 35 hr. He actually did it in 09 but it wasnt 35 hr he hit it was 44. He also added 24 sb that year too.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Actually Nieuwenheis has similar #’s career-wise vs RHP, but for some reason in my head I envision Brown as the more capable bat — I just find it hard to picture Nieuwenheis doing much beyond swinging and missing at high fastballs.

  • 2 down 5 to go as the Mets continue their track record of avoiding arbitration. It will be interesting to see what Murphy ends up getting.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    I think they may try satin in the of as well as in so , if he pans out he can be 5th of, as well as back up if.

  • MLBTradeRumors hit the nail on the head with their Ike Davis arbitration projection. They were off on Tejada by 100K.

  • Lotus1209

    Yeah. Its 2014. Since 2009 his average hasnt been over 221. He also hasnt had more than 7 SB since. 37 homers. He’s an all or nothing hitter now. Same upside as Ike? Not anymore.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Love me some Satin…ya I remember reading some blurbs about him doing work out there.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Yea, its his best option if hes gonna stick in the majors, and he knows it. And before satin lovers begin yelling, lol those words were said by him.

  • mad met

    Its getting late early…keep hope alive .. running out of places he would be best fit for . Starting with Colorado

  • Lotus1209

    He’s not getting traded.

  • mad met

    Yes just not in flushing

  • mad met

    Its not a crowd its an embarrasment .get a real first basemen

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    His humility, self-awareness, and his ability to be practical is part of why we love him.

  • BCleveland3381

    Im fine with the way Sandy handled Ike. Try and get a lot for him. If no one bites, keep him and hope for a bounce back year. The only problem now is Ike and Duda can’t be on the roster together. I would say Duda should start the year in AAA, but I want Flores there getting reps at 1B. Who knows what’s going to happen.

  • Bail4Nails

    Since Davis didn’t go to arbitration, does that mean we can’t cut him and recoup most of the money? Same if we settle with Duda? I don’t get this part of arbitration. Is his contract guaranteed?

  • Rocky Thompson

    It’s a typo. He hit .205 for the season.

  • Bail4Nails

    Hopefully another team reads the typo, and makes a last-ditch effort to get him.

  • SRT

    Duda and Davis are redundant. No way both are on the 25 man to start the season.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Please know what ever the plan is Jeff has everything under controll.

  • RyanF55

    Ike deserved the 400,000 raise….LOL. But in all seriousness this is move that makes sense right now for the Mets. Maybe with Reynolds off the market Davis’s trade value will go up. To me, this is just hopes and wishes and as I’ve exhaustively stated 10 billion times, it makes sense to bring him into camp this Spring and see if he can find his nuts and win the 1B job. Satin? Duda? Please…The only guy I want to see chase Ike for he spot is Flores if he can prove to not have cement feet and can field the position. Trading Ike for some minor league cast away would be just ridiculous. 3.1 million dollars in 2013 MLB salary is nothing. Unless they can get a reasonable return, Ike should stay.

  • RyanF55

    They usually are spot on. I use that site a lot – especially when I was frequenting Metsblog

  • Pike Miazza

    whens Diaz available, sunday?

  • RyanF55

    Completely agree.

  • Pike Miazza

    On deck…..lol

  • elsid1986

    Major league players? Is that what you call them?

  • RyanF55

    hahah

  • Joanie Yan

    Why not just trade Duda? Since he’ll make less money than Ike it might be easier. I think he’s an AL player anyway – maybe the Orioles would be interested. Let Flores play 1B in the minors in case Ike fails.

  • Taskmaster4450

    I think Ike and Duda both get a lot of playing time in ST. Hopefully both will put on a good showing which will allow Alderson to trade one of them. The truth is, at the moment, neither has much value. Ike, if he has a good ST will have more value since he will be showing that he is “back” while Duda never was.

    If Ike is traded in ST, I have no problem with Duda/Satin holding down the position while Flores works on 1B at AAA. Make them placeholders until Flores’ is comfortable with the position.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Duda has little value at this time also.

  • Bail4Nails

    Feb 19th. I am desperately hoping that’s why Sandy is holding out on Drew. Diaz has a lot of suitors, I’m hoping the Mets at least take a shot.

  • RyanF55

    A Duda/Satin platoon makes me nauseous

  • Bail4Nails

    Exactly this! Maybe Baltimore is waiting to see what Davis does in ST.

  • RyanF55

    Someone has to be willing to take Duda and I’m sure nobody is or Sandy would have moved him.

  • Pike Miazza

    geez, what a $hitty bottleneck we have at 1B….HOW IS THIS HAPPENING ?

  • Charley’s Twin

    718-507-TIXX

  • Charley’s Twin

    How about the Long Island Ducks for Duda?

  • TexasGusCC

    “Davis played in just 103 games last season, and batted .305 with a .326 on-base percentage, .334 slugging percentage, nine homers, 33 RBI and 101 strikeouts in 317 at-bats.”
    Someone may have touched on this already, but, which Davis are we referring to with THOSE numbers?

  • TexasGusCC

    Ok, I see the problem. Typo. It’s a .205 BA, the rest is right.

  • RyanF55

    I wan’t nothing to do with him. We already have Granderson/Young/Lagares/Young already. If anything I thought they should of took a flyer on Corey Hart who signed a 1 year 5 million contract.

  • Destry

    He meant “batted .205” 9 HRs 33 RBIs is correct. The .334 believe it or not was his SLG% Ha. Terrible.

  • Destry

    Duda is not available. Davis is.

  • Destry

    Incorrect. Duda is not available. Davis is.

  • RyanF55

    .305 BA….this is actually a Cerrone Fan Shot

  • Destry

    Its not that high. He K’d in over 30% of his plate appearances. So he probably swung and missed at 90% of his actual swings

  • metsman

    What a ridiculous waste of money.

  • RyanF55

    How is Duda not available hahaha ….yeah he’s an untouchable along with Syndergaard and Wheeler.

  • TexasGusCC

    WOW! Thanks for the reality check, LOL.
    And I was just starting to start dreaming about better days to come…

  • Destry

    He’s not being shopped cause he’s the 1B

  • RyanF55

    Um, no. Sandy actively shopped him this off season, it just so happens absolutely no teams wanted him.

  • Lotus1209

    Nope. Davis has more value. In a perfect world they’d love to keep Davis instead of Duda.

  • Destry

    The .334 is not even his OBP last season. That was his SLG%. Easily worst in the league for a 1B. Easily

  • TexasGusCC

    I can’t believe it, but, it’s true!

  • Destry

    And seeing Ike hit .200 after a hot streak doesn’t?

  • Destry

    No he didn’t. He was discussing Ike. Other teams brought up Duda, Sandy shopped Ike.

  • RyanF55

    Nope, Flores hitting .324 doesn’t

  • Kabeetz

    Too funny

  • Lotus1209

    If any team wanted Duda they would have definitely traded him by now. Duda is not holding back this team from trading him. He has less value than Ike at this point

  • Guest

    Can you point me in the direction of something that captures what you just suggested? Are you kidding ,me?

  • Destry

    How can you say Ike’s potential is more than Renyolds?

  • Destry

    Since May of 2011, neither has Ike’s

  • Kabeetz

    Well we certainly are counting on a lot of improvements, resurgences and prospects panning out in order to make this all work :).

    Yet somehow it all seems plausible.

  • RyanF55

    The reason the Mets are “shopping” Ike is because they can’t shop Duda. Trust me, if they could trade Duda for any form of value they would.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Ryan,

    I don’t know if this is going to increase Ike’s trade value or not.

    It is rumored that Reynolds is settling for a minor league deal and with other teams expressing interest in his services to thus settle for that minor league contract suggests a lot about the market return there is for Ike.

    Reynolds also plays third which increased his value only more whereas Ike only mans the base at first.

    Reynolds very much resembles the type hitter that Chris Young, Jr. is – an anemic batting average (lifetime three points lower) with a tremendous propensity to strike out (he led the league a few times) and though he has power, it was accented more by having played in Arizona. Both have speed but I don’t know if Reynolds at third/first carries the same glove as CYJ.

    We will have to see what the final details are but considering this close resemblance, it is interesting how one who made six million last season signs for a minor league deal while the other whose performances of late have been just as anemic gets $7.25 million.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mil/brewers-nearing-minors-deal-with-veteran-mark-reynolds?ymd=20140116&content_id=66769472&vkey=news_mil

  • Wolfmicky21

    So that’s why Ike strikes out 4x a game!

  • TexasGusCC

    Hi Joey D.
    Reynolds is a butcher at third, if remember correctly from his Baltimore days. But, $7.5MM for Young? Good for him, I guess.

  • Joey D.

    Hi BCleveland,

    I wonder whom Sandy was offered in a possible trade for Ike. I’ve only read rumors as to the types of players the Mets were asking for – not the ones being dangled in front of them. I agree Sandy shouldn’t have just unloaded him but there was that conversation we had a few weeks back about Sandy being too “stubborn” so that his strong point of being a tough negotiator in the sense of being firm and resolute and not being the first to blink could also be his weak point and work against him by making others turn to somewhere else instead.

  • Lotus1209

    …. you really dont think much of Ike do you?

    Ike is 26. Reynolds is what he is at this point. A player struggling to get a major league deal. Ike still is about to hit in his prime and at this point its safe to say he hasnt hit his potential. For you to think otherwise is ignorant to say the least…

  • MDonaldWilpon

    Amazing, it’s like waking up every morning listening to “I Got You Babe”… God I hope this season is worse for the Wilpons than the last. It’s come to that. I can’t root for the team and separate it from the cancer that is growing in and on it…

  • Lotus1209

    Mark Reynolds is also 30 years old.

  • Lotus1209

    Hi Joey D,

    Sandy played the game the right way. Ike doesnt have the highest value right NOW, but his potential is sky high. Sandy correlated his potential with his overall value and sought to trade for at least a top-end pitching prospect. If Ike ever figured it out somewhere else, and Sandy just gave him away, everyone would NOT let him hear the end of it. But if he got the pitching prospect in return for Ike at least he made it out even.

    Sandy never seeks to lose deals. EVER. He will always play it out to at least break even in every single one of his deals. That’s the way he negotiates with trades and so far (besides the Pagan deal) it has worked out fine. I trust Sandy with trades and it’s no different with this situation.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Lol. U r right. I was trying to keep it positive.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I hope Duda’s gone. Time to move on from him.

  • Tectaru

    At this point, unless Davis is lighting it up in ST, I’d like Duda to get the LH platoon starts. Davis has been given every chance to suck, I think Duda deserves a chance. At least Duda had a nice OBP last season.

  • Guest

    -1

  • Make that now 3 down and 4 to go.
    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/80511/eric-young-jr-settles-with-mets
    MLBTradeRumors missed the projection by $50K.

  • Big Mets Fan

    This reminds me…. next time I screw up at work, I’ll ask for a $400,000 raise.

  • Joey D.

    Hi Texas,

    I know. The same could be said about Kelly Johnson in left and though his hitting is just a cut above our new left fielder with his prior home run production having also
    been aided by having played in Arizona (bet my two Hopi Nation Kachina Dolls could hit a few over the fence out there) the Yankees were able to sign Johnson for less than half what the Mets paid for CYJ.

    While Johnson might be doing his butcher job at third for the Yankees maybe it’s become a case of no hit but excellent fielders now being appreciated and finally compensated for their glove just like excellent hitters but no glove fielders have always been. We all know how under appreciated a great glove is when it comes to all the runs he prevents from scoring all by himself in lieu of all the runners he leaves on base in which there will be other run scoring opportunities where he could be picked up by his teammates.

    If so, then Juan Lagares can look forward to eventually really cashing it in

  • Tectaru

    I posted similar below, but I want Duda to start the season. See what he can do with some consistent playing time. Ike has been allowed to suck for 2 years, think we can give Duda a shot for a few months.

  • metsaholic

    There is a typo in the post. Ike Davis in 2013: Batted .205 BA not .305.

  • KennyandtheMets

    As long as they still have the option of cutting him to save most of the money.

  • SCarton12

    Why should I trust you? Do use have any expertise in scouting? Inside info, maybe?

  • Joey D.

    Hi Lotus,

    But besides the Pagan deal, when did he ever sit down to negotiate major league players for major league players while with the Mets? Again, not to take away getting Wheeler, d’Arnaud, Syndergard and even Black but we must also acknowledge there is an advantage trying to obtain top prospects when dangling quality, experienced major league players in front of teams that feel that player could be the missing element that could propel them to the world series. One does not have that bargaining leverage when dealing for players on the same level or negotiating with agents who are also talking with other clubs at the same time for the players they represent.

    So in those cases, all we really have to judge Sandy and his people on are Pagan, how he handled Reyes, and (except for Granderson) his signings of the likes of Marcum, CYJ, Francisco, the first Chris Young, Carrasco, etc. Even when it came to Upton, we would have had to bankrupt ourselves of too many quality players we had planned going into the future with in order to get him and that is why even though Sandy waited to see if the D’back’s demands would go down further, the talks never became serious – though I will admit I would have been worried about them becoming so under those demands had Jim Duquette been on the phone instead.

  • SCarton12

    Exactly, Duda has the same value as Ike. However, he will make less than half and give the same weak production. Which is why Ike was being shopped.

  • Andrew Herbst

    I think that’s worth a shot. Duda has never been given consistent playing time in order to be given a full assessment.

  • Bail4Nails

    I don’t think they have that option. If Ike had gone to arbitration, whatever they awarded him would have been non-guaranteed, meaning they could cut him and recoup. But, to avoid arbitration, they gave him a guaranteed contract. So, unless Baltimore gets desperate and takes a flyer on him, we are stuck paying Davis his full salary, cut or not. I could be wrong, but I think that’s how it works.

  • BarnRat

    If not a bottleneck, maybe better to call it stick-jam at 1st. No one has earned log status.

  • Flatbush0460

    No, typo. He hit. 205

  • Flatbush0460

    I believe after his return he hacked at a. 246 clip.

  • DrDooby

    Hi Joey D.,

    C.Young gives the Mets nice protection against Lagares getting injured or not hitting enough to be playable as a starter in CF. I expect Lagares to hit .275 with a .320 OBP and .400 SLG and be fine as a starter with great defense and a little pop.
    But if he only hits .245 with a .280 OBP and .350 SLG, he’d be tough to hide in the lineup, barring massive breakouts elsewhere. In that case, Young gives the Mets a very nice CF option with good defense and 20 /20 HR/SB potential. Basically Mike Cameron with merely good but not great defense.

    That’s the big difference with Reynolds or Kelly Johnson by the way who both are well below average defenders. Young is an above average defensive outfielder who also is a good baserunner.

    Adam Dunn has a career .861 OPS and is a DH who can fake it at 1b and in LF. Would you rather have him than Jose Reyes (career .781 OPS) ?
    Of course not.
    Realistically Young gives the Mets a season right around his career averages. .745 OPS with 18 HR and 18 SB and good outfield defense. That’s a ” WAR” of 2.5 and thus easily worth what he’s getting paid.

    That’s assuming he’s healthy.

  • LOL Sorry guys…

  • Joey D.

    Hi Lotus again,

    Also have to take into account those fiscal restraints that have not as yet provided Sandy the opportunity to negotiate for big name players based on the recommendations of his baseball brain trust (other teams need to salary dump too and are willing to take pitching prospects, which we have a surplus of, in return – if we can get the player to sign a contract extension as part of the deal).

    Same thing with Sandy being unable to negotiate for highly sought after free agents other than Granderson and Reyes. And all we do know is that with Jose he never even offered the customary initial low bid he said is expected in all negotiations. Curtis was seeking a four year deal and no other club was offering that to him – even Sandy’s initial offers were for three years. Sandy gave into Granderson’s demand for a fourth year – the reasons we do not know (was it being pressured to make the deal by the Wilpons or not wanting to risk being outbid by other teams offering more lucrative deals even though just for those three years?).

    The bottom line is that we have not had opportunities to really see Sandy tested as a high level negotiator in many types of situations because of the fiscal restraints we know of and thus we can’t really make a judgement on how he would have handled them except for what we know based on his past actions in San Diego, Oakland (after the selling of the team) and his own statements about his fiscal concerns versus his baseball concerns.

    But remember I pointed out that he didn’t trade McGuire in Oakland because wasn’t going to re-sign him (it was a buyer’s market and so he got nothing in return for him anyway) but rather that the prestige (sic) of the home grown McGuire’s chase of the Roger Maris record was less important to him that what it would cost him in salary to keep McGuire that low attendance could not make up for instead. T

    This is an indication of Sandy’s way of thinking, like it or not. If the team is in desperate fiscal trouble, that will be his focus. And that is why the Wilpons needed him – they were and still are in desperate fiscal trouble. For as you say “Sandy never seeks to lose deals. EVER. He will always play it out to at least break even in every single one of his deals.” and that is true but also applies in other areas of business negotiations in which he, as the general manager, is also involved in as well.

    negotiate with as far as the player’s agent is concerned but also outmaneuver the opposition (i.e., other clubs) also bidding for that player’s services.

  • Joey D.

    Hi DrD.,

    That’s really expecting an awful lot out of Young considering how he’s never been a good hitter even before his downhill slide and as I have mentioned that along with Reynolds and Johnson, his home run productivity was also enhanced by playing in Arizona.

    If one wants to make projections based on lifetime stats then expect a good year from Ike Davis – counting on 30 doubles, 25 home runs and 80 ribbys, a .242 batting average but with an OBP of .334 thanks to 76 walks. Yes, CYJ has had to deal with injuries the past two years but when healthy he has had only two seasons hitting above .240 and there was one full season in which has batting average resembled that of Manhattan’s area code. He was always a strike out machine and was not as proficient a power hitter away from his friendly confines in Phoenix – in which he is not going to be able call Citi Field “home, sweet home” in that one respect.

    I’m hoping you’re right with your expectations for Lagares but his mechanics and bat contact show less chances to meet those potentials according to the baseball insiders. As said, if the Mets can get any sort of hitting at all, then Juan is a keeper because a glove like his doesn’t come along all that often.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Read the last paragraph of the post above.

  • KennyandtheMets

    The post stated that the Mets can still cut Ike before the season and save most of the money.

  • DrDooby

    Hi Joey D.,

    my projection for Young is exactly in line with his ordinary 2012 season during which he hurt his shoulder and missed 50+ games. It’s well below his good showing in 2011 and 2010 but better than his down- year in 2013, playing in the worst possible Park for his type of hitting.

    As for Lagares, if he manages to lay off pitches outside & low, I believe he can be a .265 to .285 BA type of bat with an OPS in the .700 range and, of course, plus CF defense. That’s not a star but a starter…

  • DrDooby

    No problem with Ike at 3.5 million. Still believe he needs a change of scenery. But unlike the past, we’re talking about the #6 or so hitter in the lineup.

  • TexasGusCC

    Hi Joey D.
    I agree and have always pointed to the reasons Whitey Herzog gave Ozzie Smith a big contract. Remember when Herzog said “what about all the runs he saves that we don’t have to score” when a reporter asked him why he gave Smith a big deal with his stats? Herzog “got it”. That’s why he won in St.Louis with a team few managers would choose and won in Kansas City before that with unknowns.

  • Destry

    whatever dude

  • Taskmaster4450

    Duda doesnt have the same value as Ike. One thing Ike has on his resume: 30+ HRs in a major league season. Duda never did that. It might sound strange but that carries weight.

    Ike is trying to prove he can back there….Duda is trying to live up to potential.

  • METS62FAN

    ALL TOO OFTEN WE FIND MANY FRANCHISES WHO NOTABLY HAVE THEIR SEASON’S BRIGHTEST MOVE BEING “THAT MOVE”, THEY DIDN’T QUITE MAKE BE IT IN NYM TERMS, NOT SIGNING A F/A A-ROD FOR BEING A 24 & 1 PLAYER OR NOT GETTING GRIFFEY-Jr. FOR A BOATLOAD OF TOP PROSPECTS,IMO, THE DAVIS NON-DEAL WILL BE LOOKED UPON AS ONE OF THESE… JUST “LET HIM BE”.
    WORRY MORE HE REDISCOVERS HIS TIMING WITH HIS HITCH THAN GETTING MORE BB. WITH DAVIS IT MAY JUST BE AN “EITHER OR”. “LIVE WITH OR LIVE WITHOUT” ISSUE. PERHAPS THE REAL ISSUE AS TO THE CORRECT SUBTRACTION FROM THE TOTAL PAYROLL IS;
    EXCISING HUDGENS – AS EVERY SINGLE HITTER PRMOTED NEVER FULFILLED THEIR PROMIED MiLB HITTING PROFICIENCY

    IVE LONG STATED, “THE PATIENT WALK, DON’T SWING” APPROACH HAS BEEN MOST SUCCESSFULLY USED BY TEAMS IMPROVING THEIR VETERAN ROSTER’S MEDIOCRE HITTERS RSULTS BY GETTING THEM ON BASE WITH MUCH GREATER FREQUENCY; HOWEVER YOUNG INEXPERIENCED HITTERS ARE INCAPABLE IOF DISCERNING A GOOD MLB SLIDER FROM A RUN-OF-THJE-MILL SLIDER ESP BEHIND IN THE COUNT

    ONCE YOU ALLOW FOR DAVIS’ D/L TIME, HIS RATHER LOW AB TOTAL PLACES HIS HITTING @ MLB LEVEL EXPERIENCE AMONGST THE RISING SECOND YEAR PERFORMERS ADD IN DAVIS’ PALTRY AAA EXPERIENCE LEVEL[ORIG PROMOTED DIRECTLY BYPASSING AAA] & IT IS NO GREAT SUPRISE HE REQUIRES MORE TIME FOR PITCH RECOGNITION USING “THE HUDGENS’ METHOD” THAN HIS PREVIOUSLY PRACTICED, “SEE IT, SWING @ IT” METHODOLOGY. EXTRA TIME HIS UNHITCHING HIS SWING CAN NOT ACCOMODATE; THIUS THE SUDDEN ISSUES OF DISMEMBERING “THE HITCH” & BEING “UNCOACHABLE”.

    AS THE SON OF A MLBer IKE KNOWS BETTER THAN MOST IN HIS POSITION HOW CAREERS CAN BE DERAILED BY WELL MEANING IMPROPER COACHING AS HIS FATHER LIKELY HAS EXPLAINED ULTIMATELY IT IS HIS CAREER NOT THE COACH’S.

    PERSONALY, I WONDER WHY THE RUMORED HIRING OF AN AS’T HITTING INSTRUCTOR HAS NOT COME TO FRUITION AS THIS TEAM. MORE THAN ANY PAST NYM ROSTER DEFINITELY REQUIRES A SECOND HITTING PHILOSOPHY TO CHOOSE FROM AS “ONE SIZE CERTAINLY DOES NOT FIT ALL 12,13 OF THEIR HITTERS”

  • Destry

    You think Flores if gonna hit .324 as a rookie & you think Davis is gonna hit higher than .200, yet Duda will suck? Why have you come to this conclusion? There is no statistical evidence or realistic basis for this opinion in any way shape or form.

  • Destry

    Duda has more value because he is under team control for 4 year, makes 2mil less, and is a better hitter.

  • Peter S

    I wish I got a raise from my job for underperforming.

  • Peter S

    I stopped reading this after the first paragraph. Do you tealize how the good the mets lineup would have been in 2001 with A-Rod? Who cares what happened 10 years later.

  • anthony G. Decesare

    No ike trade probably means no drew or morales either. The good news is it probably means no duda at 1b either.

  • mad met

    Have a lot of mixed feelings about all this .. ike will be a star just not on mets..duda sucks period ..i like drew but only if they add payroll to 110 mil by trade deadline .

  • mad met

    The money in baseball is sickening ..thats what is so funny when people say mets are broke. There is a big difference between broke and scared to spend

  • mad met

    Sadly im more worried about granderson and young then ike or the firstbase platoon .i think first base will be productive this year deep in the line up… but way to many k’s 456

  • Peter S

    TV revenue baby!

  • Joey D.

    Hi DrD.,

    The only way he can be of benefit is when used as a platoon player.
    He is really dangerous against left handed pitching with a respectable .262 lifetime batting average. Even in his last full season (2011) he hit .a healthy .285 in 158 plate appearances against southpaws (.267 in 2012 but – and this is worrisome – only .209 last season).

    However, as a full time player, nope. Even in 2011 he hit only .222 in 501 plate appearances against right handed pitching and against all types struck out one out of every four turns at bat and hit below .200 with two outs.

    He is a career .203 hitter with two outs and just .233 lifetime with runners in scoring position.

    So, even though a return to his 2012 or 2011 form might work out well as a full time player for other teams – taking into consideration what Chris brings with his defense – it would not fit well with the Mets. For a team that already consists of way too many regulars who hit only in the .230 to .250 range and plays half it’s games in a ball park like Citi Field, one like CYJ does little to resolve their hitting problems and might very well add to them – which taken in context with the entire team’s makeup, his glove would not be enough to compensate for.

    But whom then do we platoon him with as a left handed counterpart? Perhaps den Dekker. But he has to show he is capable of doing better .222 average in very limited 58 plate appearances he had against right handers in his debut season. Eric Young? Another of those .230 – .250 hitters I spoke about and he is actually weaker from the left side.

    So, if we are going to utilize CYJ to the fullest, if we go by last year, it means he starts just 51 games (the amount of games started by left handed throwing opponents) and as far as left field is concerned overall, we have to count more on den Dekker or Eric unless somebody else comes along. Then he is used as a pinch hitter and late inning defense. But not an everyday player.

  • Destry

    No other team would. guess thats why we are amonngst the worst franchises in all sports, decisions like that. Luckily Sandy is smarter than that.