Keith Law: Plawecki Can Flat Out Catch, Nimmo Is Not A Bust


Here are some Mets related questions from Keith Law’s ESPN Chat this week.

Is it too soon to call Brandon Nimmo a bust?

Klaw – Why in God’s name would you label Nimmo a bust? I think he’s at least an average regular with a chance for more. Bear in mind that Savannah is a terrible place to hit – he had a huge h/r split this year – and he came into pro ball with less baseball experience than the typical US HS kid.

What is Kevin Plawecki‘s true value? He seems to be outplaying the backup catcher projection.

Klaw – He’s not a backup. He can flat-out catch.

Can Dilson Herrera play shortstop or would that be a stretch?

Klaw – No, second base only for me, but good there.

Do you see Zack Wheeler taking a Matt Harvey-esque step forward this year?

Klaw – The step forward Harvey took was exceptional. Few guys suddenly show up with a 70 slider. But Wheeler could take a solid step forward this year – he has the stuff and looseness. He needs consistency with the delivery and better feel for the change.

While I wasn’t exactly thrilled with the Nimmo pick in 2011, I get a laugh out of some people who label him a bust at the ripe old age of 20….

Plawecki is finally getting his due and long awaited respect. We’ve been high on him since we drafted him and he’s our favorite drafty pick from that class.

Comparing Wheeler to Harvey is just plain wrong and unfair to Wheeler. Let him be whatever he’s going to be without any comparisons to someone who had a historic season and debut. I hope we’re not going to compare every pitching prospect that comes up to Harvey. Some of you need to understand that what Harvey was doing before the elbow injury had never been done in the 52 year history of the Mets.

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  • TexasGusCC

    Wow, I never realized Law ever says something nice about the Mets.

  • Biggle Boy

    It’s been said before, but maybe Pawlecki ends up at 1B if Ike fails and Travis plays well. Pawlecki did play a few games at 1B at Purdue.

  • Metblogfever

    Dwight Gooden did even more than Harvey 29 years ago

  • BCleveland3381

    Problem with Plawecki at first is Dom Smith who probably won’t be too far behind Plawecki.

  • Biggle Boy

    Smith is only 18, with a few years in minor leaguye ball still to play. But even if Dom’s ready by, say, 2017, and Pawlecki is at 1B/C, then trade chips are always valuable.

  • BCleveland3381

    If Nimmo works out it will be huge. His OBP is stellar, and he was supposed to be a huge project when the Mets drafted him. I think he gets a free pass until 23 or 24. As long as he is making improvements, I don’t think we worry about him for a few more years.

    I think our most underrated prospect is Rafael Montero. Every Met fan seems to be eager to package him for a SS. But if you look at his minor league numbers, he has been in the organization for 3 years and has dominated on every level.

    He doesn’t have the hype of Syndergaard or Wheeler, because he’s not a power thrower, but his WHIP and ERA on every level is stellar. Even when moved up to a hitter’s league in Vegas last year, he had an ERA of 3.05 and a WHIP of 1.24, that is awesome.

    Everyone thinks of him as a guy we plug in as our 5th starter. He hasn’t struggled anywhere. Maybe his ceiling isn’t as high as Syndergaard, but his floor seems to be pretty stable. He may end up being no worse than a 4th starter, with #2 potential.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Agreed, but I hope they do give Plaweckii reps at 1B. You never know how things will go. It makes sense to get him some experience there.

  • BCleveland3381

    Plawecki is 22 and hasn’t played past A ball. He is still a couple of years away himself.

  • gary s.

    Met fans said Ed Kranepool was over the hill at 18..If he has a career like Kranepool that would be fine with me..

  • KennyandtheMets

    I think Montero will be very good. Some people might under value him because they compare him to Syndergaard. That said, if we could get Chris Owings for Montero, I would pull the trigger. Owings is rated as the 84th prospect in the MLB, while Montero is 98th. Owings fills a huge hole at SS. We have no serious SS prospects anywhere near the majors.

  • Harvey33

    Heaven forbids he be the best pitcher in the world!

  • E1Guapo

    Wait, did Keith Law say that Plawecki can flat out hit or flat out catch? Title of the post is a little confusing. I do not agree with giving him reps at 1B. If he develops this year into a legit C prospect at AA/AAA then he’s perfect trade bait or insurance in case TDA is a bust.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I hope the Mets have the foresight to give Plawecki time at 1B. I am hopeful that Dom Smith will be a great player, but you never know. Plawecki seems to be a really good hitter. Letting him play more than one position just increases our ability to get his bat in the major league line up. Even giving him time in LF or 3B makes sense to me.

  • KennyandtheMets

    But what if TDA realizes his potential as our every day catcher? What if Plawecki is tearing up AAA and we still have a huge hole at 1B? I’m not saying they should switch Plawecki to 1B, but I don’t see the harm in giving him some time at 1B.

  • Sorry for the confusion E1, my fault entirely. He said catch, not hit, and I did correct the title.

  • That’s because I got on his case. LOL In the summer I said he was a Mets hater in a post and he took offense and left a lengthy comment here and then wrote me an email saying it wasn’t true. I sent him quotes from his last few chats at the time and told him that was the perception all Met fans had of him. But since then we’ve become more amicable.

  • If both develop as expected, one of them will move to first base.

  • 31Forever

    In a platoon with Satin?

    I’ll admit to knowing nothing about Plawecki, but if what they’re saying about D’Arnaud bears itself out, having a blue-chip trade piece doesn’t seem like the worst thing in the world.

    Satin, in my opinion, outperformed Ike in every metric last year (and I don’t have the stats in front of me, which is why I’m saying this is my opinion); and while I was willing to give Ike the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of last season, my patience is far shorter this offseason.

    Although I’m a die-hard Mets fan, I did live in Pittsburgh in ’03-’04. I got the chance to see Jason Bay tear through the NL Central during that time, and I honestly jumped up and down a little when he became a Met. Now, heart and desire aside – which I believe Bay to have in spades – the white-hot glare of the NY spotlight, along with his pressing, I believe, led him to go too far and become ineffective both offensively; and ultimately defensively, with the concussion and the push to try and get back on the field.

    I think Ike has the potential to be a bonafide Major Leaguer, but maybe somewhere where the spotlight isn’t so concentrated. He wouldn’t be the first.

    But I digress. Plawecki. If he is really that good, are we just being selfish to park him either in AAA or on the bench? An embarrassment of riches is still an embarrassment. And the last thing we need is a perceived superstar sowing seeds of discord at his playing time or position.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I agree. So, since TDA is already our catcher, it makes sense to get Plawecki some reps at 1B. Also, what about Flores and Dom Smith?

  • KennyandtheMets

    I always felt bad for Bay as a person. He tried really hard for us, but just couldn’t cut it.

    As far as Plawecki goes, it is nice to have some depth at the catching position. It would also be a pleasant irony to have gotten a good player from the draft pick we got for losing Reyes. If Plawecki continues to rake with the bat at every level, he might end up replacing TDA or filling our hole at 1B.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Satin is a solid RH platoon/bench player. He is in his late 20s. He doesn’t hit for enough power to be an every day 1B. He also got exposed vs RH pitching when he got a lot of at bats last season.

  • agetting

    You leave Plawecki where he is at catcher, which is exactly what is going to happen. You don’t move him to 1B and kill his value. Not to mention, we don’t even know what is going to happen this year in terms of TDA/Plawecki performance/injuries

  • 31Forever

    Which would only make sense, I guess, if Plawecki batted lefty. Unless you plan for him to only play 140 games.

  • agetting

    I agree actually

  • ill_egl

    Plawecki got playing time at first last year. Alot of it came when jayce boyd was hurt

  • KennyandtheMets

    How does giving him 1 or 2 starts per week at 1B kill his value?

  • agetting

    If you want to give him a few games here and there at 1b that’s totally fine, but the bulk of playing time must be at C where he has his most value

  • agetting

    I do think Plawecki will be aggressively run through the system since he’s pretty old for his level. Depending on performance of course, I think you could see him up early 2015 if all goes well

  • Des

    It’s Klaw’s make up time to the Mets for all his slights, intended or otherwise. Welcome to the sunny side of the street Keith.

  • agetting

    you’re right, for some reason I thought you meant move him to 1b. You can give him a few starts here and there but bulk of playing time must be C

  • KennyandtheMets

    Satin is not going to block a legit prospect at 1B. Josh is our RH side of a 1B platoon right now. If a big time player is ready to take over the 1B position full time, then Satin will become a utility bench player and solid pinch hitter. That’s why he is working on his OF defense now. He already has some experience at 3B and 2B as well.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Good to know. Thanks.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I agree 100%.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Exactly. I just want him to get experience at 1B. If he is a good defensive catcher, along with his bat, he will hold a lot of value.

  • E1Guapo

    Normally I would agree but given the Mets organization’s lackluster track record with moving players around to other positions I’d just want Plawecki to focus on catching and hitting and not adding the stress of learning a new position. If Plawecki dominates AAA it would not be a slight to leave him there all season given he was in A ball last year.

  • The chat he immediately had after that incedent was very funny. He can be very snarky with most of his comments and he stayed very PC with the Mets ones. I enjoy KLAW a lot, sometimes it’s good to listen to someone like that sense we tend to over-hype our own prospects.

  • agetting

    is this a virus?

  • agetting

    I agree with you. I also don’t think moving from C to 1b is a big deal. Anyone C with decent hands is going to be able to handle 1b

  • Why is everyone so ready to take a decent offensive catcher and move him out to a position where his offense might not translate as well. Paw has all the tools to be a good defensive catcher why take that away from him to give him another year or two if he makes it.

  • metsman

    I’m making the prediction right now that Herrera will be the next Syndergaard in terms of Pittsburgh wondering what they were smoking when they traded him. He will be our number one prospect in a season or two.

  • agetting

    curious what you are making that prediction off of? Pure gut?

  • Argh the edit button doesn;t work well with links I tried to replace the gif with the image so you know what he is saying if you don;t know the scene in the movie.

  • metsman

    If his star keeps rising and he becomes the the highest rated catching prospect in baseball maybe we can trade him for a 40 year old knuckle baller!

  • Taskmaster4450

    The big question is whether Harvey would have been Harvey this year or was a big step back in the cards. Many pitchers had a stellar year only to revert back to their mean. What is the mean for Harvey (or would have been)? Not sure. He had a year for the ages but not everyone who puts up one like that can maintain it ala King Clayton.

    So I agree with Law, let Wheeler be who he is.

    As for Nimmo, of course, those who call him a bust at 20 are just those with an agenda. He might well be but nobody knows for sure. Give it some time. If he is still struggling at AA in 2 years, then yeah, he is a bust.

    Why would you move Plawecki (or TdA) to 1b full time of they both produce? Their value lies in production at C. If both are producing, one gets moved in a trade. That is where the greatest return lies.

  • KennyandtheMets

    Yeah. Throw in Syndergaard as well LOL!

  • I don’t really know. Smith won’t be an issue for another 4 years, but the Flores situation needs some resolution.

  • Tommets

    Harvey and Wheeler are two different types of pitchers. Yet, they both have the same potential and ability. Wheeler definitely is able to take a big step forward this year. I can’t wait to watch him.

  • Jake Jones

    I like Nimmo alot. he gets a lot of flack because we missed out on jose fernandez. News flash.. many teams passed on fernandez. Nimmo would have batted .300 last year if not for the wrist injury he got in late april. I think this year will be a big step forward for nimmo. in regards to Plawecki i loved the pick when we drafted him. His throwing needs work but he calls a good game and he can hit

  • This is the most positive Keith Law Mets report that I have seen in forever. That said, it’s all pretty much common knowledge now…so maybe he’s just toeing the company line and standard.

    Nimmo will be fine; even if he takes another three full seasons (which I don’t think he will), he would be entering 2017 as a just turned 24 year old MLB starter. Plawecki needs to show he can play with the big boys; I liked his numbers on the lower-levels, but age-appropriate competition will show us what we have in him. That said, hearing he can catch is great because I have read some people who were worried about his catching abilities. I’m fine with Herrera at 2B, and so are the Mets.

    As for Wheeler, sign all of us up for a Harvey like turn in 2014. If that happens, we will all lose our minds with glee as we march to a .500 season. 🙂

  • KennyandtheMets

    Where do you stand on Flores as a 2B? Personally, I see him as a corner inf. Obviously, that limits him to 1B on the Mets, as long as Wright is healthy.

  • Connor O’Brien

    Keith Law is right on with each of these points.

  • Fonzie

    I always get a kick out of the MMO dwellers that call a 20 year old kid they’ve never seen a bust. The kid played no high school ball, had very little experience, was drafted based entirely on old school scouting, a thing many say does not exist because Sandy is a saber goon, has done nothing but show the plate discipline of a ten year vet and excellent on base skills, with a sweet stroke.

  • jason bay

    .250/.350/.350 is not enough Vs. RHP for a 1st basemen but it is hardly being exposed.

    There is a place on the 25 for Josh Satin given our difficulties Vs. LHP but it is a small role and one that won’t last long and will more than likely be taken over by Flores at some point pretty soon as he should IMO wind up starting 90 games at 1B and 20 more at 2B and 3B.

    If that happens Satin’s roster spot will go toward a full time back up middle infielder.

    Come 2016 if we plan it out right (extend Murphy and sign Diaz) we could have a bench of Centeno, Murphy, Vaughn, MDD and Tejada (or Tovar or Diaz)

    That bench for C and IF is pretty damn good.

  • cjr45

    Since BA just ranked the Pirates farm system number one I doubt they will regret the loss of Herrera too much.

  • Personally, I just want his bat in the lineup and I don’t care where he plays. The team is denying themselves an opportunity to have a high RBI producer who has nothing left to prove in the minors. On any other team, they wouldn’t be pussy footing around with Flores and they’d be clearing a spot for him.

  • Biggle Boy

    Kenny, we’re in agreement about Pawlecki getting the chance to play if, in fact, Travis becomes a solid backstop. First base would typically be where a guy who’s primarily a catcher could go – like Posey and Maurer.

    I know Yogi played LF and Torre played 1B and 3B. But the OF seems a little harder adjustment. In any event, 1B is a possibility for Paw if Ike fails. And Dom there later on. Nice to think we have some potential 1B options down the road.

  • KennyandtheMets

    It is nice to know that we have some help on the way for 1B. We have really missed having a true slugger at 1B since Delgado.

  • chavez06

    Kenny, do you want to give Plawecki reps at 1B because Mets need a 1B? If that’s the case, I think Flores is our real option. Flores is a better hitter than Plawecki. Flores has put up better numbers in the minors than Plawecki and is by the way 6 months younger.
    If it is to increase his value as a trade chip, I think Plawecki’s value is really tied to him being able to stick at C … his bat really don’t play up at 1b. So, why interfere with his development at C by giving him few games at 1b a week?

  • DrDooby

    If d’Arnaud and Plawecki BOTH turn into C that post a 280 BA / .350 OBP / .425 SLG they’d both be Top 10 catchers in Baseball with just solid defensive skills.

    However with that exact same hitting line, neither would even be a Top 15 1bman, probably worse.

    Unless one totally breaks out offensively and turns into a hitting star instead if “just” an above average starting C, then you’d consider moving him to 1b.

    The more likely scenario has one of them being traded within the next 24 months.

  • KennyandtheMets

    I hope Flores is starting at 1B in Vegas every day. He needs reps at the position and I think he could become our regular 1B at some point in 2014. I don’t know if Plawecki’s bat will be good enough for him to be a regular 1B. I just want the team to have the option if using him in more than I position.

  • KennyandtheMets

    That is possible.

  • DrDooby

    Nimmo’s upside is a Shin Soo Choo / Andre Ethier type player. Maybe with better CF defense.
    Now, whether he comes even close to reaching that ceiling remains to be seen. But he has plenty of time.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    We can do gifs here?

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Let me try again…..

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Apparently, I’m too stupid to animate properly…..

  • Scottymike

    Nimmo a bust at 20?. Plawecki a backup? Wheeler to Harvey esque year? No disrespect from whom the questions came from but as a Met fan I think we took a hit in the smarts category.

  • Peter S

    The people who called Nimmo a bust are the same people who said changing Reyes’ running style a good idea. With all that said, I would like to see him take a giant leap this year. If I’m not mistaken, wasn’t he off to a red hot start last year before hurting his wrist?

  • Peter S

    I don’t see a problem with that type of bat in the 2 hole.

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  • Peter S

    In fairness, I don’t think you can brush the “we missed out on Jose” stuff aside. That’s a big whiff. But the Mets also are so deep in pitching that the mets can survive it. Nimmo is the best lower level OF prospect right now so he needs to perform.

  • Peter S

    Pirates were a lot closer to winning a title than the Blue Jays. I think losing a 2B that is 4 years away would be worth a title.

  • I’ll take a Shin-Soo Choo type career any day. That would be huge.

  • joeythew

    Yet Warthen and Collins changed his (Wheeler) delivery because he was “tipping” his pitches after his second start. Not a good idea either. You don’t toy with a wind-up a kid has used his entire pro-ball career and put that added pressure on him in his 3rd big league start. I think some of these coaches just make changes to try to justify their jobs. Leave well enough alone, he did fine making it to the majors without you.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    I don’t trust Warthen changing anything about our pitchers. He tried changing up Harvey, and you know the rest. I’m scared at what he’ll do with Syndergaard and Montero.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    “I think we took a hit in the smarts category”

    LOL you should see what some say on here on the regular.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    If Plawecki tears up AA pitching this season, promote him to the majors ASAP. His bat can solve that 1st base issue if it isn’t figured out by then, and he could catch behind the plate whenever d’Arnaud needs a day off. Either that or put d’Arnaud at 1st. Good problem to have nonetheless.

  • vigouge

    Mike Piazza would like a word with you.

  • Lotus1209

    Plaweckis worst tool though is his arm. He’s said to have little arm strength. Can’t teach that and runners will exploit that a lot at the major league level. To say he’s a better defender than d’Arnaud now is premature to say the least.. He might be able to be in the near future but it’s not a sure fire bet now. D’Arnaud also has elite offensive potential..

  • agetting

    the worst trait a C could have is a weak arm

  • Long-term, as he fills out, I think he moves out of CF, and finds a home on the corner. The best three OF prospects in the system right now are (from left to right), Nimmo, Lagares, and Puello. If we hit the lottery on all three, coupled with our pitching, we will win a championship in the next decade.

    Yup. I said it. And it’s true.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    “I’ll only give up Montero for a good shortstop, like Brad Miller”

    While I’m impressed by his numbers, I wonder if he’s capable of batting leadoff? I read that he has good speed on the basepaths. Also, I’ve read concerns over his defense at short.

  • Kabeetz

    Wheeler will not make a Harvey-sized leap this year. That’s once a decade type stuff. Doesn’t mean the future for him isn’t as bright or brighter (though I wouldn’t bet on either).

    It’s nice to hear positive prospect chatter but all pundits are wrong as often as they are right.

  • Connor O’Brien

    The idea that sabermetrics replaces scouting … lol

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Comparing Wheeler to Harvey is just plain wrong and unfair to Wheeler.

    I remember only 2yrs ago when they both were in the minors all we ever heard were Wheeler/Harvey comparisons….and they were all in favor of “WHEELER” being the “SUPERIOR PROSPECT”…..LOL…Funny how time changes things

    Harvey>Wheeler –there was never any comparison on my & others parts whom alwaays viewed Harvey as the better of the 2…but I digress

    LGM 😉

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    There are very few that say Nimmo is a bust, then there are those that say he doesnt seem to be “PROGRESSING” well and needs to start showing some imprvement in one area in particular….


    Yeah he walks a lot but he strikes out at an EXTREMELY ALARMING RATE and he is only in A-Ball….and the only way to justify a high K-rate is with POWER something he hasnt shown yet…although power is the last to come so he still has time.

    What was more alarming was the fact that after they drafted Nimmo we started hearing how the Mets initial reports on Nimmo were wrong…and…

    – He didnt have the speed they thought he had
    – He was going to be able to stick in CF nor those he have the arm for RF
    – So he is relegated to LF
    – Doesnt have the speed to steal bases takes him a while to get to his top speed.

    If Nimmo never grows into power he will be a bust…IMO

    Power will be his saving grace especially since he doest have the other tools

    -Doesnt project to hit for high avg.(that could change but thats an if)
    -Doesnt play a important defensive position

  • BadBadLeroyBrown


    I’d be reluctant to part with Montero though 😉 and instead sign a young 23yr old SS like Aledmys Diaz or just bide my time with Tejada or vet signing.

  • mitchpetanick

    Good patience = a lot of walks but also a lot of strikeouts. It just comes with the territory from hitting deep into counts. I never had that problem lol

  • Connor O’Brien

    I think it was actually about half and half when they were both prospects from what I saw.

  • mr. belvedere

    maybe my definition of a bust in baseball is different but the “bust” gets thrown out there a lot with Nimmo and Cechini…nothing could be further from the truth, there’s a lot of high picks doing worse than these two, neither has struggled playing young for their level and both have been promoted each year and while neither have been setting the world on fire there is nothing that either has shown that will keep them from getting to the show in a normal time span…and if they make the show and stick for 5+ years than they are not busts…this not football or basketball where 1st rounders are considered busts if they are not impact players

  • metsman

    They didn’t build a good system by being blase about talent . I don’t care what God ranks them ; if Herrera becomes the kind of Pedroia type player he can be they will have regret about trading , especially since they didn’t even get any hardware out of the deal.

  • metsman

    Worth a title? I didn’t realize rentals=titles.
    4 years? What are you talking about? When we got Syndergaard he had played at low A the year prior he ended the year in Bingo…I can see Herrera doing something similar. So we are talking more like two years and change. I don’t understand your need to quibble with my comment.

  • metsman

    He does everything well. He is a young, switch hitting, middle infielder (projected to stay there more importantly) with power, what’s not to be excited about?

  • mack24

    It’s very easy to claim now that you always favored Harvey

  • Destry

    What if he hits .325 plays + D steals 20 and hits 5 HRs? I keep forgetting baseball got rid of all the other stats, and we can only evaluate players by number of HRs

  • Destry

    His bat isnt that of a 1B. He loses all his value if he isnt catching

  • Destry

    The same people that are predicting Ike to resemble a major league baseball player in 2014

  • DrDooby

    The throwing arm is easily the most overrated factor in a Catcher´s game.
    Pitch framing & pitch sequencing are of far bigger importance than whether your record on SB attempts is 20 CS out of 100 attempts (well below average, 20 % success rate) or 20 CS out of 50 attempts (well above average 40 % success rate). Does it play a role ? Sure it does. But accuraccy & quickness can also make up for a fringy arm.

  • DrDooby

    Nobody – and that includes pro scouts & executives – saw Harvey suddenly coming up with arguably the best slider in Baseball in 2012. Harvey also improved his changeup significantly in 2012 and 2013 to a point where it became a fine complementary pitch. His command also improved from 2012 to 2013.
    That moved his ceiling from promising # 2/3 SP type to true “ace”. With a plus plus fastball, a plus plus slider. an average changeup and a fringe average curveball to go with plus makeup and – by now – above average command is an ace-like repertoire.
    Wheeler – for now – lacks a 2nd plus pitch. The curve & slider have shown flashes but haven´t been thrown with enough consistency so far. His command has been shaky too. Improvements similar to Harvey seem unlikely because they are so rare in such an extreme form. Wheeler realstically will turn one of his breaking pitches into an above average pitch he can throw for strikes consistently, make further strides with his changeup and further improve his command. In that case, he can become a very nice “# 2 caliber SP”. A Mat Latos / Clay Buchholz / Matt Garza / Matt Cain type of SP. Not ideal as the ace of a perennial contender but a good fit as a # 2 behind that ace and a great fit as a 3rd piece of a trio of frontline SP.

  • DrDooby

    If Nimmo becomes an AVERAGE regular – like Law thinks he´ll be at least – that´d be a huge success with a 1st round draft pick, outside the Top 3 overall where you´d expect a star.

    How many merely AVERAGE regulars have the Mets produced since Jose Reyes & David Wright became well above average to elite major leaguers a decade ago ?
    If you´re very, very generous, maybe Daniel Murphy, though he´s fringe average due to his defensive shortcomings. And Carlos Gomez, of course, but that has happened elsewhere. That´s pretty much it. We´re hoping Juan Lagares´ sudden defensive improvements can propel him to “AVERAGE” regular status among homegrown players. Maybe the physical tools are still there for Ike Davis. But it seems doubtful he has the mental ability, at least in New York.
    And let´s define “AVERAGE” as a player who posts an annual WAR in the 2.0 to 3.0 range – on average each year.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Plawecki or d’Arnaud?

  • Ivan Wilson’s got physical tools but he’s got a long way to go. That said, I wouldn’t object if you end up correct. Today, I’d say Nimmo is worth 3 Wilsons. Stuart is another sleeper who could be pretty good.

  • I don’t see Herrera as close to Pedroia upside though. Pedroia is very hard to strike out. Herrera K’s a lot so it’s hard to see him hit 300 in the show. Doesn’t mean they won’t regret the trade, especially if they have a hole at 2nd in a couple years, but I have a very hard time seeing Pedroia upside.

  • skyhappysal

    I understand that Nimmo and Gavin aren’t doing what you hope first rounders would do but each has a shot at being a ML starter still – and I feel like Nimmo has the room to grow into a really good player still – maybe a Nick Markakis

  • cjr45

    Ok smart a$$ you missed my point which was the
    Pirates system is so deep that they can easily make a trade to get some one better. You are overrating Herrera.

  • Donal

    “(even though he got caught with a DOA and was suspended)”

    He killed somebody?

  • metsman

    Smart a$$? I don’t know what your problem is but You missed my point which is that regardless of how the Pirates farm system is,
    if Herrera is as good as I think he is, they will regret trading him. Rather I’m overrating him or not remains to be seen.

  • metsman

    Maybe not quite that elite stat wise, but certainly the same bag of tricks. His fast easy motion and weight transfer is polished. 19 years old and hitting the ball with authority in low A? I think he is our second best position prospect behined Dom Smith.

  • Donal

    Ahhh, I actually thought it was an autocorrect error and you meant DUI or something.

  • joeyd1966

    Don’t be surprised if Smith is in the big leagues in half that time. He’s far more advanced then your average high school player. Miles apart from a Nimmo type.

  • joeyd1966

    It’s only a whiff if the player selected becomes a bust. The Mets are famous for whiffs but it’s still too soon to call this a whiff just yet.

  • joeyd1966

    Exactly Destry. One thing you know for sure is if he does hit for that high an average, 325, you know his OBP with be around 440 with an average like that. He’s the type of hitter that will probably hit 290/400/450 when all is said and done. I think he’ll hit around 15 HR’s per year though.

  • Destry

    If Nimmo can hit .275/.375/.400 with slightly above average D and 10-15 HRs, then that is a huge success. I was down on Nimmo originally, but after I did some research I think he is gonna be really good. Most likely very underappreciated, much like Shin Soo Choo. He is gonna get on base, steal 15-20 bags, hit 15-20 HRs, but he is gonna K a lot, and he won’t hits LHP, but no LH batters hit LHP anymore with all the specialty RPs these days