BBWAA Fail: With 17% Of Vote Tallied, Piazza Still On Outside Looking In

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A week from today, on Wednesday, January 8, the 2014 inductees to the National Baseball Hall of Fame will be announced.

As of this morning, Mike Piazza is losing ground and now has 71.9% which is outside the the 75% threshold for induction. Here is the full tally of the 96 ballots counted by Baseball Think Factory.

Updated: Jan.1 – 10:00 AM ~ 96 Full Ballots (16.9% of vote ~ based on last year)

100 – Maddux
97.9 – Glavine
89.6 – F. Thomas
80.2 – Biggio
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71.9 – Piazza
64.6 – Bagwell
63.5 – Jack (The Jack) Morris
56.3 – Raines
44.8 – Bonds
43.8 – Clemens
38.5 – Schilling
33.3 – Mussina
24.0 – Trammell
20.8 – L. Smith
20.8 – E. Martinez
16.7 – McGriff
11.5 – Kent
11.5 – McGwire
10.4 – L. Walker
8.3 – S. Sosa
7.3 – R. Palmeiro

Pardon my French, but can you believe this shit? I mean seriously, this is appalling and if this trend holds there is going to be a lot of pissed off Mets fans and Dodgers fans.

In case you weren’t aware, our own MMO BBWAA member John Delcos, voted the full allotment of ten players as follows:

Mike Piazza

Jeff Bagwell

Craig Biggio

Tom Glavine

Greg Maddux

Edgar Martinez

Jack Morris

Mike Mussina

Tim Raines

Frank Thomas

His only regret was not having room enough for Jeff Kent, who he hopes to select next year.

It’s amazing to me that Piazza’s 396 home runs as a catcher – the most by a catcher in baseball history – is not enough to get him in. But then also throw in his career .308/.377/ .545 slash, 344 doubles, 427 home runs, 1,335 RBI, and a 145 OPS+ all at a premium position.

In his career, Piazza won a Rookie of the Year Award in 1993 along with 11 Silver Sluggers, 14 All Star selections, and finished in the Top 10 of MVP voting six times including two second place finishes.

What a humiliation for the BBWAA if he gets shutout again.

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  • Waz0787

    Shame to be honest. It was pleasure watching him play.

  • goorru

    Hello DISQUS!

  • metsin20

    Whatever the case may be for Piazza or not, more Met fans need to be pissed about 5 losing seasons in a row, an owner who cannot compete without dirty money, a GM who is living thirty years in the past, and a manager who loves to kiss up to his few stars and destroy his kids whose English is less than perfect. instead of getting mad about an induction to the HoF of a guy who was only an accidental Met anyway.

  • john q

    I can’t see letting in Piazza before Bonds or Clemens.

    The biggest travesty is Larry Walker with 10% of the vote WTF???

    Alan Trammell’s poor showing is another WTF?

    Schilling and Mussina should be much higher.

    And I never understood the Lee Smith love.

  • LIKayLGM

    How was it clear he juiced?

  • BCleveland3381

    Sorry to take away from a possible snub of Piazza, which would be ridiculous, but….

    Can any of you with an account on Metsblog go over and help me get some of the good posters over here. Not because I wanted to hurt that site initially, but because they have now decided to censor “MMO”, “Metsmerized”, and “disqus”. If any of your posts have those words in it, your post will be pending and never be approved. Someone over there sees this site as a threat. But sites like this one have always been friendly with Cerrone coming over here and talking about his site, they should do the same.

    Just put periods in between any possible words…. “mets.meri.zedon.line” “dis.qus” etc., and lets get some fans over here. If they want to censor Met fans from telling met fans about better options for blogs, they should get it worse.

  • Harvey33

    I already have sir! Glad to have you here!

  • Harvey33

    Ridiculous! Also, the sooner Piazza goes in the HOF, the sooner we can officially retire his number and get a banner up on the outfield wall!

  • Gland1

    Why not Piazza over Bonds or Clemens? I would think the opposite, as Bonds/Clemens have directly been tied to steroids, but with Piazza it was always just whispers about it.

  • Waz0787

    Been doing that for a while. We need metropolitan in this site.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    He’ll get in. Find it a shame that Morris still don’t have enough votes.

  • It’s because of the holier than thou Brian Kenny types who feel that Bagwell and Piazza need more time to wait to see if there is any evidence. If that trend holds then Piazza will be in next year and that is what counts the most. It’s still BS if he doesn’t pull it off. If they were guilty it would have come out. Bagwell had a bunch of rumors and frankly I don;t really remember any for Piazza. In the end they will be OK.

  • Gland1

    I hope this isn’t the kind of site that appreciates and condones that kind of trolling poster.

  • Harvey33

    Piazza will get in the HOF within the next two years anyways.. But it’s ridiculous he has to keep mising because of speculation of HGH use due to back acne.

  • Gland1

    Disqus is nice.

  • Harvey33

    Who’s trolling?

  • Gland1

    Metropolitan is one of the worst on MB.

  • Harvey33

    I agree.

  • Metropolitan

    As long as nothing comes out he will get in,hopefully not in the too distant future…

  • Steven

    If he makes it in granderson will need a new number since piazza wil get 3 retired

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    I just cant see bonds not getting in clement too for that matter. Best of their time. We can argue all we want about roids , but we aren’t comparing them to babe ruth, foxx, aaron, etc. They are compared to the players they played against. A lot of whom we know to be on roids and im sure a lot more that we didn’t know of. Fair playing field IMO. HOF is supposed to be a historic history of the best that ever played the game, so generations from now people will know and not forget. IMO the best should all go in.

  • Lotus1209

    Haha i’ll do my fair share of posting. To be honest though… most of the good posters have stopped posting there ever since Livewire came into play. Hard to get into contact with them. Glad to see a few familiar faces here though… now only if Amazinavenue could get disqus the mets blogosphere would be absolutely perfect.

  • Lotus1209

    ??? Piazza was 31.

  • Steven

    Darn it had a brain fart there disregard my bad comment just rembered piazza was 31 that was stupid.

  • Lotus1209

    Clear that he juiced? Explain thoroughly how this speculation is now CLEAR that he juiced? There is no logical proof. Only PURE speculation due to his participation in the steroid era. Yeah yeah yeah tell me the whole back acne type thing. But honestly? That could be genetics if we’re still playing the whole speculation game.

    There is no proof at this point that he roided. Bonds and Clemens each had proof against them… and in Clemens they even have the act of perjury. So they have no chance of getting in… Piazza should.

  • Macacawitz

    This site is so much nicer than “the official” competitor. Wow.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    it sure is

  • Waz0787

    Freedom of speech.

  • Lotus1209

    They’ve always had better content. I loved this site and have been following it since 2006 I just wasnt an avid commenter. Now that it has disqus with its beautiful notification system this site is going to skyrocket in web-trafficking amongst all Met fans.

    Maca, since you’re one of the few recognizable faces in the new Mets livewire system… you should lure out the few good posters over there and bring him to here. Lets try to get this place filled with the once great posters of the old Metsblog.

  • Lotus1209

    we need Prosoundz! LOL

  • Gland1

    LOL!!!!!!!!

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    they will all be coming here, I have no doubt. I was there for 2-3 years or so, it was pretty good. They they started deleating things people had opinions on and got rid of the postion system disqus. Their loss and MMO gain. I would bet 75% of the readers there switch over in the next 60 days.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    exactly no need to go there

  • Macacawitz

    I expect they’ll be a groundswell away from that site. People want information and meaningful dialogue. For the most part, the competitor is content free. I wouldn’t want to see the owner of this blog being harassed by the legal people over there. Fighting off frivolous “cease and desist” orders is an expensive pain in the derriere.

  • MikePiazza3186

    Lgm!!!

  • Macacawitz

    Don’t know if they do a live game blog on this site during the season, but that would certainly fill the place up.

  • Charley’s Twin

    Disqus and many other features

  • Agee’s Catch

    Mike eventually gets in. Probably next year. This year’s class is exceptionally strong. I think there are a few writers who might think mike was connected to PEDs. That whole back acne thing. That he got closer this year than last is a good sign.

  • Harvey33

    Head over to CBS baseballs site. They just posted their write up debate on Piazza making the hall of fame. It’s a good read.

  • Donal

    Joe D, could you turn off the language filter for this one post?

  • Charley’s Twin

    It’s really pathetic how they started doing that, but yet totally in character for them.

  • gasparsarm

    What’s the big deal, whey does one have to be trashed, I read them both, and I get different things from each

  • gasparsarm

    Back acne, and also let’s be honest, the way he broke down, a lot like McGuire did. He has significant PED suspicion, but most writers like him more than Bonds or Clemmens. So because they like him better, they are holding back less.
    I agree, he’ll be in next year.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    No trash… But when one starts censoring its not good. And the livefire is impossable to continue a conversation. 2 very bad things. As well as u have to be on twitter or fb or some teenie bopper thing. Not good

  • JimmyBX

    lmfao hello lmfao #BoricuaBaseball

  • JimmyBX

    Metropolitan was my son as a teenager learning baseball on AOL. Kid is as knowledgeable about baseball as my pet dog…lol

  • Donal

    Broke down? His last full season in 2006, Piazza hit .283/.342/.501 with 22 HR in Oakland. Not bad for a 37 year old catcher. Yes, he went into decline. But he was pushing 40.

  • Donal

    Eye ball test from guys who aren’t doctors.

  • Donal

    So, it is suspicious he broke down and suspicious he didn’t?

    Does anyone have actual proof and not third hand stories from Not A Doctor about this time he might have had something that sort of looked like Bacne?

  • Macacawitz

    I think what we all want are legitimate topics to debate and discuss; that requires research and access to legitimate sources of information. What drives me to distraction over at the other place is that it seems as though the Mets give their bloggers virtually no information, while at the same time subjecting them to a gag order. So what your left with is the daily Ike Davis rumor and other benign nonsense no one wants to talk about. Half the fun of being a hot stove fan is second guessing and debating front office moves and discussing the inner workings of an organization both good and bad. The folks over there can’t do that.

  • OriginalLadyMet

    Piazza should be awarded EXTRA votes, like style points, just as A-Fraud should be deducted for every time he acted like the fool that he is. At least Mike is a gentleman(maybe too much,?) as he should have gone after that other fool, Clements, after he 1.threw the shard of bat at Piazza & 2. beaned him in the head. LGM .

  • Donal

    And yet, all those other users all have proof they used. Yet, somehow Piazza, in one of the most aggressive media hubs in the world manages to avoid any concrete evidence to supprot the gossip.

  • sperry

    The kid in me is really disappointed. Piazza was my Wright, and I really hope the BBWAA drops this holier than thou gatekeeper, guilt by association nonsense. There’s literally no other reason why Piazza isn’t already in Cooperstown.

  • Super T

    How can the greatest offensive catcher in the history of MLB not be in the hall of fame? Anyone……anyone?

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Great to see so many of you here. Looking forward to lots of great discussions (and a few amusing fights).

  • Waz0787

    Looking forward reading your comments.

  • Donal

    People testified against Bonds and Clemens. And the case against them was garbage anyway.

  • sperry

    Good to see you brother

  • Donal

    All Time Hits leader isn’t either.

  • LIKayLGM

    Back acne? I love this one. You mean a catcher, that wears lots of equipment, plays 9 innings in the heat, that most like sweets excessively has back acne? Say it isn’t so?

  • Donal

    Oh, you have proof then? How do you know it was accurate if there is no proof?

  • Lotus1209

    Thats because of his gambling issue though.

  • JimmyBX

    What a moron. Piazza didn’t juice. That back acne nonsense was started by a player who never played with Piazza, pushed by a clown reporter from the NY Times who is a Yankee shill media member. For the record, 45% of adult men suffer from back acne.

  • LIKayLGM

    He doesn’t actually have a vote, according to this article, but clearly he has a platform to spew his garbage. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/20/brian-kennys-hypothetical-hall-of-fame-ballot-is-interesting/comment-page-1/

  • Looks like Metsblog has done their semiannual piss off all their readers and send them to great blogs like this one and smaller ones like TRDM. Funny how MB mistakes are always our fortune.

  • JimmyBX

    The one Met who was guilty during the Piazza/Fonzi era was Jay Payton. It was obvious he was juiced. Alfonzo was never juiced. His back simply gave way.

  • Flatbush0460

    They feel he’s tainted, with absolutely no proof. It’s disgusting. These fat, chain smoking baseball writers have balls man. A career. 922 Ops? For a catcher? That’s not good enough? Just disgusting, all I can say. They should be ashamed of themselves

  • john q

    More than just whispers for Piazza, there have been direct accusations and allegations that he used steroids. Piazza by his own admission admitted to taking andro.

    My point about Piazza is that if you don’t care about PED use you should vote for Bonds and Clemens first then Piazza.

  • JimmyBX

    I’m educating you on where the rumors began. The same one that leads people to believe Piazza juiced.

  • This HOF mess is always entertaining. Unless they were convicted I would let them in and move on so that black eye era can be behind us.

  • Matt Mosher

    They are not going to let him in guys. That’s why it’s best to not even pay attention to the HOF. Pete Rose isn’t in there, for crying out loud.

  • JimmyBX

    Piazza was far from juiced. If he were juiced, he would have clouted far more homeruns. He was a superior high ball hitter, which separates good hitters from superior ones.

  • JimmyBX

    He had NO SPECULATION until one loser from the NY Times wrote an article that FELLOW YANKEE MEDIA MEMBERS pushed viciously. The reason they did was because no major Met was ever accused of steroid usage while nearly EVERY big name Yankee went down the steroid toilet.

  • Harvey33

    MMO it is!!

  • jessed619

    Is there still a chance that Piazza will get in, or does this mean he’s pretty much done?

  • Lotus1209

    Just wait until the actual commenters of MMO get on this… you’ll get to meet “the core”

    A few of them are quite nice actually… just very passionate in their hatred of the evil Sandy Alderson.

  • Lotus1209

    Lol he still has another three years to try.

  • jessed619

    I meant is he done for this year

  • Justin Anthony

    Every time I would try to make a critical response about the comment section on MB, it would just say “pending” and never got approved. Even though I didn’t write anything that wasn’t true. That was the tipping point for me. Bad enough they took away Disqus, which everyone clearly loved so much, now they want to take away our freedom of speech. And their lead writer claims to be in the “business of customer service” lol.. What a joke. Glad to see I’m not the only one who got fed up with them

  • agetting

    why would they not let him in? He’s pretty much a lock to get in

  • Lotus1209

    they have a week to settle the votes… he still only needs 4 percent basically to get in so he could still get in… although it doesnt seem likely. Usually the shoe-ins are around 80-100 percent at this point.

  • jessed619

    Oh alright, thanks for clearing that up.

  • JimmyBX

    Wow…lol. Radomsky worked as a ballboy for the team from ’86-’95, you immense moron. He was a drug dealer who sold to EVERYONE in baseball. That doesn’t mean he was working for the Mets from 1997-2005 while Piazza was a Met. Get your head out of your yamhole and stop being a brain cramp to the blog.

  • JimmyBX

    That’s like saying you’re a homosexual because most guys with the letters C in their blog name are homosexuals. STFU already..lol

  • Gland1

    There’s no “freedom of speech” on a blog. However, if they are going to randomly delete posts, they should have a stated commenting policy so we know what the rules are. MLBTR has one which they post frequently so everybody knows what’s acceptable there and what isn’t. But without that, it makes them look petty and paranoid to delete things at random. It’s Cerrone’s standard approach…rather than confront an issue or explain something he just goes passive aggressive.

  • JimmyBX

    Dude, STFU. There has never been a star Met accused of steroids. The Yankees were the league leaders in steroid players. That’s why the rumor began, because every significant Yankee in the 2000’s were sucking roids. 60% of the World Series rotation were proven roiders. Over 30% of their playoff roster were proven roiders in 2000. The #1 reason Piazza is getting the grief is because he’s a Met. If he weren’t a Met, he’s in the HALL already.

    The attacks are best suited, because you sound like an animal when you make laughable comments about one of the greatest hitters in baseball history. What’s next? Are you going to accuse Piazza of being gay? Another laughable accusation started by the pro-Yankee media. Dude, do us a favor and STFU

  • Waz0787

    Bro. Metsblog was fun but stupid livefyre killed the site. You couldn’t write one critical comments without being on pending status. Disqus at least allows you to express your opinions.

  • JimmyBX

    STFU, dude. No one cares for your halfwit, unproven rhetoric. Go for a walk somewhere…..

  • sperry

    They straight up failed to realize that their commenting community was the only asset of the site. Metsblog is just an aggregator with a highly searchable address (hell, that’s how I came across it–googling “mets blogs.” But the content was mindless, lacked any interesting insight, and was absurdly repetitive. I can only read so many times about the Davis/Duda thing.

  • Gland1

    It’s not Disqus that allows you to express your opinions. Words can be censored there too as well. On MB you couldn’t curse or use certain other words without getting put into moderation. It all depends on the moderation levels. They are just upping those now apparently.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Justin, great to see you!

  • JimmyBX

    oh LORD the Rooster is here…lol

  • Charley’s Twin

    I love MMO and am so glad I found it, but what will we do without the unintentional comedy of the old site?

  • Flatbush0460

    Really? Show me the proof. How is it players were tested and exposed, but Mike never failed a test? Was he lucky or what? He never juiced, or he would have gone down with the others as the witch hunt was on at that point in baseball history. Saying a man who excelled in his profession must have been cheating because others did is ludicrous on its face. Present some evidence or stop maligning the man and let him take his rightful place in the Hall. He’s earned it. Period.

  • Flatbush0460

    Haha, they would flat out delete my posts if they didn’t approve of them. Elitist nerds, all of them

  • JimmyBX

    This is comical. And you wonder why there are so many innocent people in jail, people being poisoned by pharmaceuticals and mental illness folks being mistreated by the minute in this country. Astonishingly, unless you’re some moron Yankee troll, this is the type of thinking that’s ruining the country.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    I bet 75% of the engaging, intelligent commenters that we know and like will switch. But I’m sure they’ll retain lots of passive readers and low-value commenters (like much of the new Facebook crowd, who seem incapable of stringing a meaningful sentence together).

  • Charley’s Twin

    I got banned for telling Cerrone his post was a “wet smelly digital fart.” I probably deserved the ban but it was worth it

  • sperry

    I never commented again once the switch was made, but I’m glad to see that our unanimous opposition when it was first announced was justified.

  • Gland1

    Well the Facebook crowd is not actually coming to the site; they are responding to SNY posts on Facebook. That’s why they are more one word or one line answers. And if you respond to them they’d never see your answers. So they really seem to be trying to get to a “commenting” section rather than a “conversation” section.

  • Waz0787

    It got to a point every negative comments were being censored. We mets fan have suffered long enough if you can’t express your own opinion about the greatest baseball team in the universe no point being on that shitty site. Also cerrone that fool used cite his own comments which I found very annoying.

  • JimmyBX

    Nowhere near as slippery as your laughable accusation of Mike Piazza….

  • BronxMets

    Where he belongs he should never ever get in.

  • JimmyBX

    Jesus…this dude is here SMH LOL

  • BronxMets

    that’s absurd……..

  • Charley’s Twin

    The “Ike Davis for Ryan Braun” sequence was quite fantastic as well

  • Justin Anthony

    Good to see you too Pedro. Glad you made the transition over to this side 🙂

  • JimmyBX

    You should go over there and boost up their site, TRS. Be our guest…lmfao

  • BronxMets

    now you are making sense

  • Gland1

    Oh no doubt. I find Disqus to be superior for comments. Not only do they give you the notifications, but since other sites use it it’s much more useful. But they decided they wanted to change the whole commenting section away to the discussions we used to have. So they want a lot of short, generic comments and no real in depth discussions among the posters. Without that, since Cerrone’s and Baron’s commentary is useless, and since breaking news comes out on Twitter well before MB, what’s the point of that site?

  • BronxMets

    there is no proof he is clean…………

  • sperry

    I guess we have to take the bad with the good

  • BronxMets

    Mike never got tested during the majority of his career. ANd we also know now the testing is a joke. If you think Piazza wasn’t juicing you are just being naïve. BTW, show me the proof he was clean

  • JimmyBX

    Nothing like a bonehead calling others naive..lmfao.

  • BronxMets

    Cerrone killed Metsblog. He made a change nobody asked for.

  • BronxMets

    Dats right baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How you been? Happy New Year Smoooooooooooch!!!

  • Gland1

    Precisely. To me I think he wanted to weed out the posters who criticized him and were only there to talk to each other rather than to marvel at his insight.

  • JimmyBX

    Show me proof you never did time in jail for drug dealing…..

  • JimmyBX

    lmao….this site is going to get quite interesting

  • LIKayLGM

    If Piazza is guilty by association because of the era he played in, I will find it interesting to follow when the likes of Mariano Rivera and Derek Jeter are eligible,will they too, be held up to the same arbitrary excuse? Some of those that are heavily suspected, ie Clemens, ARod, etc.. were in the very same clubhouse? Time will tell.

  • Waz0787

    Good to have you in this site bro. Missed reading all your comments.

  • JimmyBX

    Takes someone special to miss the backslap…lol

  • Waz0787

    Mets merolized

  • LIKayLGM

    According to this article it’s based on 17% of entries. I’d say there is still a chance, too many non reported to go either way.

  • BronxMets

    Steroids affected the entire game not one team. There is no evidence Pete fixed anything and if he bet on his team to win and they were winning what did he have to do.

  • BronxMets

    Thanks man good to see you

  • BronxMets

    LOL totally different scenario. Im not under a CBA.

  • Waz0787

    Lol exactly.

  • Gland1

    100%. He knows that a bunch of the posters on his blog were definitely much more informed about not only the Mets but about baseball than he is. That’s when he runs back and hides behind his “I’m just a fan” defense. I mean, this is a guy who told us on his own BASEBALL BLOG that he didn’t have much time to watch games this summer because he was busy with other things. So when he would get called on things he’d get defensive. All of this, to me, seems like a result.

  • JimmyBX

    Man, I used to love haunting MB..LOL. I wonder how many of you MB’ers are cringing at this flag and the “JimmyBX” name…lol. If you support that idiot Balderson or Wright, be ready for your daily dosage.

    Here’s to hoping David Wright has more than 1 meaningful hit with a game hanging in the balance with RISP this season. Hopefully Santa dropped off a few bats with at least 3 dozen hits for such occasions….

    Not holding my breath, however.

  • Flatbush0460

    Hahaha, I get it. Sosa, Bonds etc were tested, but Mike wasn’t? How fortunate I guess, right? The presumption is innocence in the face of no evidence. This is America, remember? Your point is dubious, at best. Please.

  • Flatbush0460

    You’re delusional. Wake up

  • JimmyBX

    Absolutely…as special as you thinking you’re winding up with the last word.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Did not realize that–thank you!

    The net result–for me–was trying to interact with all of you, while wading through lots of “no!!!!1!!,” “Yes!!!!” and “LOL!!!1!” posts.

    Objectively, it makes sense. Cerrone has refused to acknowledge/engage the commentariat, and paid zero attention to feedback and advice. The comments section, predictably, became a daily beatdown of him and his shortcomings. Rather than address the criticism, he just diluted it all with Livefyre and Facebook comments.

    He achieved what he wanted–quantity over quality, and no one to tell him the truth. Now he can blog about how awesome he is, and impress everyone with page click counts (rather than unique visitor counts, which would paint a more accurate picture).

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Thin-skinned, inept, and egotistical is a very dangerous combination, especially when someone is put in charge of things.

  • Gland1

    Exactly, you nailed it. I couldn’t figure out what was happening with the “from Facebook” or “from Twitter” posts, because they seemed completely out of context. So I went on the SNY Facebook site, took a look at most recent comments and saw that they were matching up. At that point it all made sense to me. They have no interest in a community, they just want a massive amount of one off comments.

    And you know I totally agree about Cerrone’s refusal to acknowledge things. On the very few occasions he’d pop by the comment section, he would get defensive and arrogant if anyone said anything to challenge him (think “Matt Harvey will never win a Cy Young”). This new system works much better for his ego.

  • Harvey33

    I agree. Piazza is as good of a human being as both Mo and Jeet.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Honestly, it’s great to see you, Jimmy. You were a key reason why the old MB comments section was a must-read. Some of the most entertaining battles I’ve ever seen. Hope you still have some fight left. 🙂

  • agetting

    I don’t agree with your argument. Rose was gambling on his own team to win, not to lose. That’s not affecting the outcome of the game…

  • LIKayLGM

    The burden of proof lies on guilt not innocence.

  • LIKayLGM

    Proving the faults of current system of voting, and injustice of selective guilty by association argument.

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    It makes me a little sad. I saw guys like Ted Berg (who is a very gifted, engaging writer) having to play second fiddle to dopey Cerrone. Thankfully, his talent was recognized and he escaped the mediocrity of SNY.

    Now it’s Vazzano, a j-school grad and someone who could really develop MB into something professional, who gets to play midwife to the journalistic abortions that Cerrone squeezes out 5-10 times a day.

  • Hotstreak

    You have the knack of getting the most likes. Yes we had differences but clean slate here.

  • vigouge

    All that means are the games he had money riding he would be more likely to let a banged up player play rather than have a game off, use a relief pitcher for the third or fourth game in a row, etc.

  • BronxMets

    what? have you no idea what the CBA is all about? WHen did they start testing and when did Mike start playing.

  • Gland1

    That’s probably my favorite line of 2014!!

    I agree, the whole things is kind of sad. But honestly, with the livefyre thing, it became pretty obvious what was going to happen. I think we tried to still make it work over there, but it just wasn’t going to happen. Even now, they could probably save some face by putting up a post telling us how the new system works and letting us know if they are doing something about the comment notifications (which Vazzano said they were working on). Instead, we got a happy new years post with Cerrone telling us his job is customer service. That’s a jump the shark moment if there ever was one.

  • BronxMets

    Baseball broke records as late as 2007 meaning the game was more popular after testing started. Baseball would have been popular without steroids too. I never went to a game where Bonds, McGuire or Sosa played.

  • Flatbush0460

    I don’t need to prove a negative, it’s impossible to do so. Explain why Sosa and McGuire hit 70+ Homers while juicing, but Mike could only hit 40 with a. 308 lifetime average. He was making consistent contact, if he was juicing those balls would have gone out. There’s your proof. You’re welcome

  • Donal

    There are PED users already in the HOF. Generations of “greenie” users.

  • BronxMets

    I mean that’s absurd. Mike would have been out of baseball halfway through his minor league career if it wasn’t for roids. Hey listen I am not here to convince you, you can do whatever you want. I am merely stating my opinion . That is Mike did steroids.

  • Donal

    Some of these nerds with type writers also voted in Torre and LaRussa, who managed teams with PED users. Why are they allowed the accolades?

  • Pedro’s Rooster

    Great point!

    I’m sure the writers worship Saint Jeter, and believe he would never, ever do anything to besmirch the holy name of baseball. They’ll let him breeze in with 98% of the vote. Maybe even give him a lifetime Gold Glove or a baseball Medal of Honor or something.

  • Phoenix Met

    Character attacks about drug use without actual proof are just as silly.

  • agetting

    what are you talking about? Pete Rose was a player, not the manager, I think you are confused. Since when would he have any effect on a relief pitcher?

  • RyanF55

    This really is just total BS. It’s arbitrary and he’s being associated with an era, even after he’s stated he never took steroids and wrote what he did do into his book. These baseball writers need to get the chip off their shoulder.

  • AJF

    You are like a roach!

  • agetting

    okay, I was wrong about the 5 years he was managing

  • Flatbush0460

    Do you? Pick up a copy of The Lords Of The Realm, as I have, it’ll teach you the history of the CBA, collective bargaining, and all issues regarding labor relations between the owners and the players. Of course it’s 700 pages, not exactly a comic book. I’m not sure you’d enjoy it.

  • BronxMets

    What in the entire world are you talking about not sure why I chatted with you. You make no sense. My employer just started random drug testing nothing I can do about it. The players association fought testing for years. There was no way to prove guilt. But if you have a brain and some common sense you can figure it out.

  • Flatbush0460

    Notice the difference between Sosa, Palmiero, Bonds, McGuire, Clemens, etc and Mike. You see any of the former group in a baseball Park lately? That defines how MLB perceives Mike, as he’s been to Citi and other venues, and isn’t afraid to show his face. He acts with a clear conscience and you have absolutely no business accusing the man of a damn thing without a basis in fact, without a shred of evidence. Until proven otherwise, by an admission, or an by factual evidence, Mike is clean, always has been, and will eventually get into the Hall with a Mets cap on, whether you choose to like it or not

  • BronxMets

    I have no idea McGuire has been in a ballpark a lot let me explain something to you and Ill make it very clear. I can make up my mind on something any way I want. If you choose to look the other way that is your decision and how you run your life. People make decisions all the time without black and white evidence. If we didn’t nothing would ever get done. I believe Piazza fits the profile of a steroid user. That’s my opinion what you think or say isn’t going to change that. Piazza as well as the rest of the players would not allow testing so we will never know. Mike could have easily went and got his own tests done. Nothing stopped him from doing that. .

  • Nolrog

    It’s a small sample of the ballots. And while we can make projections and estimations based on them, the final tally could be very different. Based on 96 ballots, Piazza would need 72 to hit 75% and based on the current percentage, he was named on 69 of them. What surprises me more, though, is that Bonds and Clemens are in the mid 40s. Didn’t think they would be that high.

  • mynewdisqusname

    If memory serves me right, Piazza and the Big Hurt had the same body type.
    How is Thomas absolved of all suspicion but Piazza isn’t?

    And seriously, Biggio was a better player than Piazza? BS.

  • Madduxboy

    Uhhh… Mark McGwire has been a MLB hitting coach for the last 4 seasons…

  • BehindTheBag

    I think that the only fair way to deal with the steroid era is this – if he failed an official MLB drug test and/or accepted an MLB suspension for drug-related offenses, then I would consider him a cheater and not vote for him. So that’s Raffy, Manny, Braun, A-Roid, Miggy.

    Players who never failed an official test should get in, no matter how much circumstantial evidence exists that at some point they used – so we’re talking Rocket, Bonds, Papi…and guys like Pettitte, McGwire, Sosa if you believe those guys were HOF caliber.

    And lastly, guys who are now under the cloud of suspicion – Piazza, Bagwell, Thomas, etc. just because they were sluggers in a tainted era…that’s got to stop.

    We’ll never truly know who used what when, what advantage they got from it, etc. We’ve done as much fact finding as is possible, now declare amnesty on guys who never were proven to have violated an MLB policy and move on.

    For the record – I’m of the opinion Piazza juiced. And I’m of the opinion it helped his numbers. But II believe that a great many of the guys he competed against coming up and throughout his big league career also juiced. I think he was one of the best players of his era and he deserves the HOF nod.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Yes there are, as well as spitballers, scuffers, vasoleen users, cokecane, greenies, like u said, as well as other guys who tried to cheat to get an advantage

  • Hotstreak

    One is integrity of stats and an unfair advantage and the other is the integrity of the game.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Imo mark should get in the hof

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Same with me

  • muskytoes

    The difference being that Frank Thomas had his body type in high school. He had a modern day TE physique before committing to Auburn.

    Piazza definitely fits in the “look at the skinny rookie card” group. Not to say he’s guilty of anything other than playing at the wrong time, but he didn’t turn pro with a Frank Thomas body type.

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Lmao!!!!!

  • MLBGM Fire TC

    Pete rose, joe jackson, bonds, clemens, the hof is a joke

  • Hotstreak

    Pedro Martinez is more awesome then ever since he pitched in steroid era.

  • LIKayLGM

    He won rookie of the year, so the “look at the skinny card” defense makes no sense. He’s been a consistent great player from the beginning.

  • LIKayLGM

    No, it hold true in any situation. No reason to prove innocence.

  • Hotstreak

    Donal we have major issues but please correct me if I am wrong.

    I recollect you accused Albert Pujols of being on steroids. Or at least implied the possibility.

    I know I said I was Dunn with you but please clarify if I am misspoken.

  • muskytoes

    I was replying merely to the comment of Piazza and Thomas having the “same body type.”

  • Matt Mosher

    Personally, I get a kick how Thomas gets a free pass and Piazza doesn’t. It’s ridiculous.

  • JimmyBX

    lol Rooster. I save my best work for this blog, because the characters here are demented. Some real haters on MMO. Right now, I’m more focused on my Tita-Knicks who are doing a lot of nada so far this season.

  • JimmyBX

    Good, so STFU already lol

  • JimmyBX

    STFU, peasant.

  • JimmyBX

    As worthless as your Piazza opinions,

  • JimmyBX

    Your daddy from MB “JimmyBX” is here! 🙂 Balderson lovers beware! Wright fans beware..lol

  • Captain America

    In the small sample he supposedly is THREE Votes short of 75%

  • BKShogun

    You have a way with words, sir

  • Hotstreak

    Please provide basis for your charge as I never heard him linked to having used steroids.

  • Out of Place Mets fan

    Voted in by veterans committee, which is where many of the PED generation will be elected

  • j e

    How can the best hitting catcher in major league history not be the HOF????

  • Bill Buckner

    I’m sick of self-important windbags getting the privilege of determining who does and doesn’t belong in the Hall. They system is absolutely silly and because of that fact, I will never again visit Cooperstown. A Hall of Fame without Bonds or Clemens is an absolute joke…

    In my book, Piazza is a first ballot Hall of Famer – as is Pete Rose, Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Shoeless Joe…

    It’s the baseball Hall of Fame – not the baseball hall of well behaved

  • Bill Buckner

    They censored the word “coupons” there! LOL what a Wilpon shill Cerrone is…

  • sarge69

    I see that many want to assign blame just based on when Piazza, Bagwell, Biggion played and if those writers, some whom I wonder how they even get a vote, subscribe to this then it just shows their ignorance when many did not bring up the issue until the great McGwire/Sosa/Bonds season HR race.

    When Ken Cammineti died and PEDS were discussed where were the national press outcry to look into this and put pressure on MLB.
    Even if MLB and owners were happy because of the need to distract from lost WS and the extra revenue coming in, enough pressure could have made many of those currently making judgments to have a leg to stand on.

    How many I wonder of those currently voting have been covering baseball for a long time or are just inheriting their vote for their paper or outlet?

  • gasparsarm

    Just for the hell of it I am going to reply. When I said back acne, I am achknowledging what others before me in the discssion said, and if you red what I said, my point is that (even though everyone brings that one up) it goes beyond that. The way he broke down, that’s my point, so if you go and attack the first statement, just jumping off from there, you are ignoring what I said. But I am up for discussion. My point was I found the way he broke down suspicious, and I loved Piazza, and yes he may have had a good year in his last year, but if you look at the crazy injuries in his last 3 years before that, it’s questionalbe. That doesn’t prove anything and it’s not a soundbite like back acne, but it is a consideration, it’s what made me personally, in my own mind decide that I had to acknowledge that it is possible that he did use.. So in the end I’m saying if you want to disagree with me, fine, lets talk, but let’s get straight what I said, might be helpful. Other than that, have your opinion, I have no problem with it.

  • gasparsarm

    I’ve always agreed wth the opinion that Pete Rose should absolutely be in the hall of fame, just not in baseball currently, that fits the crime.

  • sarge69

    Piazza should go in as a Met when he is elected to HOF.
    He might have made us take notice when he became a great hitting catcher after being drafted as a favor to Lasorda and won ROY in LA but it was in NY that he made a difference as a hitter, team mate and face of a franchise needing one in the 90’s.

    There should be no doubt about this unless the anti-Mets bias in media continues.
    Hopefully the influx of some veteran hitters and pitcher for 2014 will allow Mets to compete and bring a bit of respectability to team and fans.

    2nd Mets voted in HOF, Mike “Pepperoni” Piazza! 🙂

  • Donal

    Never accused Pujold of PED use. I was criticizing a baseball writer who was posting some vague hearsay on his twitter account.

  • LIKayLGM

    Well my opinion that pointing to back acne, as I too have heard media people mention, is just grabbing at straws and looking for guilt with absolutely no substantial backing. I also think a catcher breaking down at 37 is not out of the question. Perhaps I’m being naive as fan, so be it, but I don’t see it and don’t think he used. I think he is being unfairly judged and that judgement is inconsistent thoughout baseball making it all the worse.

  • gasparsarm

    Thanks for the dialog. I also agree it’s real inconsistent and certain people are singled out with their circumstantial evidence and others get a pass.
    I may look at the way he broke down as suspicious, but I have no problem with you looking at it differently, after all, you and I are just guessing and will prob never know.

  • Rick Torres

    Frank Thomas is not getting a “free pass”. If he is above suspicion it is because he spent his career being the most staunchly anti-steroid player in the game. He also was the most vocal advocate for player testing. And there isn’t even a close second. To be sure. Piazza is being victimized by rumor mongering, but if he had been even a fraction as against PED’s as Thomas he’d already have a plaque in Cooperstown.