Alderson Says Mets Still Shopping For Bench and Bullpen

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Sandy Anderson still has at some shopping to do, according to a report on ESPN New York, who spoke with the Mets general manager.

“We’re still looking,” Alderson said about the bench. “It depends on what happens in the middle infield as to whether we need someone else on the bench. And as for how things look in the outfield, we’ve got people who can provide us some bench help. But I’d say right now we continue to look at what’s available and at what might be of value for us.”

He also remains in the market for a veteran bullpen arm which could come via a trade or signing a free agent veteran to a major league deal.

“We’re still looking,” the GM said about bullpen help. “There’s still a decent volume. Of course, that could come through free agency or trade. Let’s see how that works out.” 

As far as adding a fifth starter, Alderson said there’s a probability he could bring in another starter on a minor league deal to compete with Jenrry Mejia and the other prospects in camp.

I don’t think the bullpen arm and backend starter is a real priority, but there’s nothing wrong with bringing in some extra arms to compete on minor league deals.

The bench of course, will remain in flux until the fates of Ike Davis, Lucas Duda and Ruben Tejada are ultimately decided.

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  • Sounds like he still wants Drew.

  • Metstheory22

    If we get someone to play SS, I think Tejada is a good 2b/SS backup. I would like Mejia to get the 5th spot in rotation and finally give us a whole year.

  • TheMets philosophy

    I tnk the mets should keep Davis hope he plays well and then trade him or keep him trade Duda for a bullpen veteran and go out and get someone like turner who can play a few positions and don’t forget they have satin who is supposed to be learning the outfield so we have satin, EYjr both who can play most positions so the mets need to get s/o who can also play shortstop because rite now we have no backup shortstop

  • Charley’s Twin

    I think we have plenty of bench players already.

  • Agee’s Catch

    Yeah, but then who will start?

  • mitchpetanick

    Shouldn’t that read “Mets still shopping for starters?”

  • Hotstreak

    I just went to the Dollar Store yesterday (yes the real one). You get some good deals there. But if you want to go to the Big Dance foregetabouit.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    I’m wondering if 2014 could be the year of the platoon for the Mets. If it is, it might be something that actually works out well for them, if Terry Collins doesn’t botch the whole thing up.

    Consider this hypothetical — the Mets actually do land Stephen Drew. Like I’ve mentioned, Tejada actually OPS-es higher vs. lefties career than Drew, so I wouldn’t mind giving him some ABs there. Plus, Drew gets some extra rest over the course of the season.

    While it appear(ed) Duda/Satin was a foregone conclusion at 1st base, if it somehow ends up Ike/Satin, despite the many many question marks about Ike, odds are this could work very well for the Mets. Remember even with last year’s underwhelming .727, Ike’s career OPS vs. righties is .827, in over 1000 ABs. There’s a very good chance that Ike puts up at least around his career average next year vs. RHP, which would serve the Mets fine. Duda’s OPS vs. RHP is .812 career, not too bad either…..and we all know Satin the doubles-hitting OBP machine will rake vs. lefties!

    Then there’s Daniel Murphy’s .616 OPS career vs. LHP, slightly better last year at .677. How about we get Wilmer Flores some at-bats vs. LHP, at 2nd base?

    I hope the Mets can get the Drew thing done (if they can’t trade for a SS), not just because it will make the primary starting lineup better, but because moving Tejada into a bench/platoon role adds much needed depth, without having to add a Cesar Izturis or dare I say an Omar Quintanilla to the team.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    I find it odd most Mets fans are happy/satisfied with the current state of the Mets bullpen. Sure we have a lot of “POTENTIAL” prospects who “SEEM” promising…but we all know the bullpen is a pressure cooker and none of these guys we currently have any experience in the majors. Except of course Parnell and he is a mystery due to the neck injury that is STILL a problem going into 2014.

    The Mets have to add at least “2” experienced bullpen arms to go with this cast of rookies. I can see Mets fans now complaining and whining if the season starts and these young guys are all struggling and Sandy is flying guys back & forth from Vegas to Queens trying to find a capable arm.

  • Tommy Med

    i dont wanna see some SCRUB like Aaron Harang or whoever they think is going to compete for the 5th spot. It should be a competition between Mejia and Montero. It honestly shouldnt even be a competition. Mejia pitched great last year. The last thing the Mets should be doing is wasting these young arms in the minors or in the bullpen where there less valuable. Mejia deserves to start

  • Tommy Med

    same for the bullpen. Enough of these light throwing veteran. crap relievers the Mets keep bringing in. Flood the gates with young guys who throw gas. Who can actually tally up Ks when you need them

  • MDonaldWilpon

    Yes, he is asking prospective players if they are willing to come play for a team that is geographically and financially misplaced and more importantly, will they work for Amway gift cards and Shake Shack coupons….

  • E1Guapo

    Having more than one or two full time platoons would make it hell in late innings to get good matchups when the other team goes to the ‘pen in tight games. Those matchups look even worse when one half of your platoon hasn’t seen a game scenario pitch from his side of the plate in weeks.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Not sure I agree. I would think it would give the Mets more flexibility and bench options throughout any game. Also worth noting, the Mets faced 111 right-handed starters last year, 51 lefties. So almost 1 out of every 3.1 games the Mets played was vs. a LH starter. Guys can stay reasonably fresh.

  • E1Guapo

    Egos would get involved as well. If we sign Drew for close to what he is asking will he be relegated to a platoon? Regardless of LH RH splits I think players still see it as a demotion and a decrease in their future trade/FA value. If this were a stacked team earmarked for a playoff spot, some players wouldn’t mind being along for the ride but let’s face it this team needs some good fortunes to make a playoff run.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Shhhhhhh, you don’t tell guys they’re gonna be platooned! You phase it in.

    I’m pretty sure Drew shared some playing time last year in Boston, so it’s not too wild of a suggestion to at least consider a semi-platoon involving him.

    But ya, I hear ya — I fear Terry Collins would act more like you’re describing, massaging egos and favoring veterans, instead of adhering to statistics and probabilities that give the team the best chance to win baseball games.

  • Denelor

    $10M to $12M per year for a platoon player?

    Really?

    My problem isn’t platooning Drew (or any veteran who deserves it), but paying above average starter money for the privilege of doing it.

  • E1Guapo

    In the same vein and considering he’s ready, would you consider a Centeno d’Arnaud platoon too? I honestly have no idea if Centeno is even a candidate to break camp with the ML team.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Nope. D’Arnaud sits for rest. In general, whatever offense a backup catcher gives you is gravy.

  • E1Guapo

    I figured that given the 3:1 RH to LH starter ratio. It would be nice to have the LH hitting catcher in a backup role though.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    ^ Is a good point. I don’t expect the Mets to sign him anyway, considering what he’s looking for.

    I don’t think the Mets would want to give him $10-$12 mil even if he were to be penciled in for 162 games, let alone for 130-140.

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Thooooooooooole! j/k

  • Charley’s Twin

    I think $10-$12 million is, unfortunately, the going rate for an average veteran FA.

  • RyanF55

    There’s so much rhetoric about who will start at SS and not enough on the bench. I still don’t understand why they gave up Turner, supposedly claiming “he didn’t hustle.” I thought Justin was perfect off the bench. I think I speak for most Met fans though when I say that we are more concerned with who will be starting than who will be on the bench. We need to sort out everyday players still, then can focus on other needs. The Damien Easleys of the world are typically available come Spring.

  • Run Support Group

    If they signed Drew, Tovar wouldn’t be in the majors anyway

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    I know Drew is likely to be overpaid, regardless of what he gets, but if Drew gets $11 mil/yr, and Tejada $1 mil, would you not pay $12 mil a year for the anticipated production?

    I think combined, Drew/Tejada could give you a .725-.750 OPS, minimum 2-3 WAR, and at least average defense out of the SS position. I think that’d be a decent value, no? Perhaps a slight overpay?

  • Run Support Group

    That’s the point, though. Bullpens are a crapshoot year to year. Relievers, especially middle relievers can be great one year and godawful the next. I think they’ll sign one veteran guy (Gregg/Boggs).

    Parnell
    Black
    Edgin
    Rice
    Boggs/Gregg
    Familia/Reid/Carreno
    Torres

  • Charley’s Twin

    I’m sold. Let’s see about the Wilponzis.

  • pieface turner

    Mets reportedly close to signing free agent oliver Perez for the bullpen!!

  • Run Support Group

    Lol

  • BehindTheBag

    Nothing wrong with some healthy competition.

  • Denelor

    Average cost per WAR (Fangraphs) in 2012 was $5.9M. Haven’t seen anything about it for 2013 yet and don’t have the time to come up with it right now.

    Drew has averaged roughly 1.5 WAR per season for the last three years. He had a WAR over 3 last year. That puts his rough salary between $9M and $18M depending upon how much you value last year vs. the last 3 years and what you project him to do based on those going forward.

    By the way, according to Fangraphs own definition a WAR of 1.5 is a role player, a WAR of 3 is solid starter. So it’s safe to assume Drew falls somewhere between role player and solid starter depending upon which one shows up.

    I still think that given that the team isn’t going to have a huge budget next year, I’d rather see them take a shot on Tejada. If signing Drew to 2 or 3 years this year no way impacts next year’s off season (meaning Sandy will be able to spend whatever he wants, within reason) then I say sign him.

  • Charley’s Twin

    I certainly have not researched this in depth, but I believe the new TV money is going to drive that number higher. Watching the atrocious Phil Hughes get 3/$24 was an eye opener.

  • dealingwithidiots

    Who are these most Mets fans you speak of? Was a poll taken? Any baseball fan knows that you are never satisfied with a bullpen, especially in January. Do you actually know most Mets fans?

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    In alderson we trust…. i believe we under his hands we’ll be a good enough team to compete next year… Let’s go METS!!!! take your time alderson, it’s worked before !

  • sperry

    Yea I really don’t get why we need to waste time looking for bench players. Just take the AAAA guys you called starters in 2013 and boom–solid bench.

    And we absolutely need another starter, especially if the FO has no interest in bringing up Montero or Synd until late June. There’s no reason to expect Mejia to stay healthy.

  • Denelor

    I agree, it’s going to go up.

    I just looked into it to see if 2/24 (or something similar) was outrageous for a player of Drew’s mediocrity. It’s not, really.

    Allocating precious resources to a payer with a significant history of injury concerns me still.

    Like I’ve said elsewhere, if they sign him, I’ll be on board because I think he’ll be playing the next 2 years in an effort to land that last long term big FA contract after 2015. If he does, then he’s a useful player and/or trade chip. Still, if the budget is going to stay limited going forward (which it certainly looks like it might) then I’m wary of committing 10% or more of the budget to a borderline starter.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    OH MY GRRRRRRR….I was 1SECOND away from ripping you a new one verbally…..THEN I SAW YOUR NAME…LMAO…an knew it was sarcasm jajajajajajaja

    DEACTIVATING MISSLES! lollollol

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Joel Hanrahan?
    Andrew Bailey?

    Both would sign 1yr incentive laden prove it deals…both experience closing just in case Parnells pillow neck issue drags

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    How about the ones on this blog that state the bullpen is fine….try READING

    An idiot in every bunch

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Only an idiot GM would go into a season with so many unproven arms…that bullpen there would negate the additions of Young, Granderson, Colon.

  • Alex68 (Ch)

    Lol, what? i was being positive and with a good spirit!
    Let’s go METS!
    Sandy you’re the BEST!

  • Schnitzer’s Marble Rye

    Really digging MMO and conversations. I mean, for comparison looks what’s going on over at Metsblog..this was part of a top comment over there yesterday:

    “..The smart moves for the Mets should have included re-signing Byrd (if we could have signed him for less than Philly paid; if not, trading for Adam Eaton), trading for Aoki (leadoff and LF) and trading for one of Arizona’s surplus SS or Oakland’s Jed Lowrie. Moving Murphy opens up second for Flores, and the Mets could have signed Morales to a very friendly two-year deal…”

    Jed Lowrie is good, but suggesting an overpay for Byrd (which it’d likely be even if somehow was a lesser deal than Philly’s offer)?

    Morales? Aoki?

    Adam Eaton? lolwtf

    I would hope a post like that would get down-voted here.

  • Charley’s Twin

    what, Aaron Harang or Dice K don’t do it for you?

  • Run Support Group

    Hanrahan+Gregg or Bailey +Gregg would be nice.

  • Run Support Group

    I’m personally fine with that. I like Black+Parnell as the 8th and 9th inning guys. If you look at Carreno’s stats, he’s pitched quite well in the bullpen. Torres is a good swingman, Rice is te best LOOGY in the NL East, and Edgin pitched much better after being recalled last year.

  • Biggle Boy

    Black and Parnell would be fine with me, except Parnell’s recovery from neck surgery is not certain. I’m on board with others who would like to see a vet back end reliever signed as some insurance. I don’t wanna to just rely on all the kids.

  • The most athletic weatherman

    We need another Marlon Anderson type coming off the bench, I used to love watching him pinch hit late in games coming up with clutch hits time and time again.

  • E1Guapo

    I just did a spit take…please don’t joke about that though I would like to see Joe P drawing Ollie in the Box during his daily Mets journal again.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    JORDANY VALDESPIN!!!!

    *Ducks*

  • Run Support Group

    I don’t want to either, but I think they really only need 1 vet guy.

  • Run Support Group

    If it was 13-0, then yes, Jordany’s your guy 🙂

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    “As far as adding a fifth starter, Alderson said there’s a probability he could bring in another starter on a minor league deal to compete with Jenrry Mejia and the other prospects in camp”

    Sounds like they should sign Jeff Niemann to a minor league deal. He missed the year after undergoing shoulder surgery, but you have a thoroughbred (6’9″, 285 lbs) & a former 13-game winner with Tampa that I’ve always seen as a diamond in the rough. As far as them looking for a bullpen piece, Hanrahan, Balfour, Bailey, and Rodney are still available.

  • ParisWilponCOO

    Actually that could be a brilliant marketing ploy. If Terry let it be known that “OP needs work, I plan to put him in XYZ game”, they would probably sell at least a thousand tickets for those who would like to boo him. If they announced that they would suspend punishment of fans who threw things on the field that day, it would be a guaranteed sellout!

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Not true, he came up big in the clutch off the bench and won a few games for the Mets.

    Its 1 thing to dislike the guy but at least be honest.

  • The most athletic weatherman

    The home run off of Papelbon was incredible

  • Bayonne Mets Fan

    On an Alderson built team you can’t tell the difference between the starters and the bench players!

  • Run Support Group

    He had his moments. I was kidding. The Clippard and Papelbon HR’s come to mind. But he simply isn’t a ML player.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Ive been calling for the Mets to add Nieman as well[before the Colon signing of course].

    But this is the 1st Ive heard the Mets brass mention & show confidence and a willingness to give Mejia a real shot to make the rotation.

    And I prefer the Mejia option

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    oh 😉

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    yea he had a flare for the dramatic…It will be must see TV when we face him this year in a Marlins uniform.

  • The most athletic weatherman

    They absolutely need to get somebody who has proven they can pitch a complete season because Mejia, Syndergaard, Montero, Degrom etc are all on innings limits. We can go through the month of september with the likes of Daisuke and Harang again.

  • The most athletic weatherman

    Not sure any of the Mets hitters would have the guts to hit him if the opportunity presented itself.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    OHHHHHHHH

    THE BAND IS GETTING BACK TOGETHER

    Longtime no see buddy

  • Run Support Group

    Mejia has insane stuff. I’m a HUGE Mejia guy. He looked filthy last year after cleaning up his mechanics. He throws a 93 MPH cutter that moves like a slider!

  • Run Support Group

    Oh, Terry is pretty gutless, but after being called a c*cksusucker by Valdespin I don’t think he’d hesitate to have someone throw at him.

  • Bayonne Mets Fan

    My man Leroy Brown! Yep I am back but I’m gonna try and bite my tongue and not respond to most of the miscreants saber geeks and try and just talk with my buddies like you, Maniac, Alex, Vinny B, Amazin, KMaxx, and all other people who are assaulted simply because they believe in traditional baseball methods still being the best and not happy with the direction of the team albeit i am more unhappy than most and quite frankly don’t care what happens to them until this absolutely HORRENDOUS Front Office and the Virus that is their culture is gone from the team that i used to love and grew up loving. That is until this pandemic of saber and very weird affection for an Old white haired man became en vogue around here

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    -Mets didnt do anything when Piazza was used as a target at a gun range by pitchers(Estes soft butt toss)

    -Nor did they do anything when Cain almost DECAPITATED David Wright…

    So you are correct the Mets wouldnt bust a grape…We’ve been soft pushovers ever since they broke up the 80’s team..

    We went from the toughest to the SOFTEST in no time

  • Name

    Valdespin was doping and STILL had a sub .200 average.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Yeah I think he has the NASTIEST STUFF out of all the pitchers we have on staff and thats including Harvey.

    P.S. Im NOT saying he is better than Harvey.. just that he has the nastiest arsenal of pitches

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    He was a pinch hitter off the bench….name the pinch hitters who were sporting .300averages

    P.S. No one’s complaining about Bartolo Colons doping

    ***$20million dollars later

  • Lenny Harris batted .304 off the bench for the Mets in 2000

  • The most athletic weatherman

    Time will tell

  • Matt Mosher

    Please….make March 30 take six more months to get here.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    From what I see among current FAs that will possibly take minor league deals, you have Jason Hammel, James McDonald, Scott Baker, and another guy I’d like to see signed to a minor league deal next to Niemann, Tommy Hanson.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    THIS!

    Bay, I hope so BADLY this is Alderson AND companies last year in office these guys are BRUTAL and dont seem to have a clue.

    I remember all this mumbo jumbo talk about a GREAT PLAN!

    You dont hear that crap anymore…now all you hear is his supporters saying he finally has money to spend…when prior they were saying Alderson is a breathe of fresh air because he doesnt need money to build a team and he will do it the right way through the farm unlike Minaya….

    But fastforward to 2014 the last year of his contract and miserable tenure fielding unwatchable baseball and its time to spend MONEY…Omar style, but inferior talent.

    And no prospects to depend on no Wheeler d’Arnaud still mysterys.

    Building a team through the farm my A** He’s failed on that front….a computer progra just doesnt add up to good ole TALENT EVALUATION by scouts

  • Bayonne Mets Fan

    you got that right, right now i’m very content watching the Knicks and getting all emotionally involved in that roller coaster. Real sports with real athletes mano a mano. Mets can take the entire season off until Alderson’s contract is up as far as i’m concerned

  • DrDooby

    There’s nothing wrong with such a bullpen. Parnell, Rice and Torres are all “veterans” even if Torres & Rice haven’t pitched too long in the majors.

    Black, Familia, Germen and Edgin aren’t spring chicken either. They’re 25,24,26 and 27 respectively. This is not a kids bullpen but a pen featuring a plethora of semi young arms who have nothing left to prove in the minors.

    Mejia, d’ Arnaud and Lagares aren’t proven either – but they’ll be key players in 2014 and quite probably going forward.

    2014 is a transitional / turnaround year.
    The Mets need to find out what they have in all these power arms. And they’ll only do so in the majors. Vic Black and Josh Edgin have nothing left to do at AAA. Neither does Gonzalez Germen. Swim or sink.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Your playing with fire with that rotation.

    If you spend that much in free agency you better spend a little on the pen which has been the downfall of this organization for a long time.

    We fielded good teams only for the pen to destroy their success

  • The most athletic weatherman

    Hanson could fit in well with the Mets, he won 13 games in 2012 not too long ago…last year he was hurt but if he’s fully healthy now then he’d be a perfect addition on a minors deal..especially since he’s still only 27, could potentially be somewhat of a steal.

  • E1Guapo

    Replace the Mets Apple in the Hat with an Ollie Perez dunk tank for every HR? Maybe throw in a couple biting/stinging sea creatures stolen from the Marlins’ park?

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Rice is no VET…He was a ROOKIE last year….

    Dude is a vet CAREER MINOR LEAGUER…BIG difference. Same goes for Torres last year was essentially Carlos’s 2nd and he only played half the season in the majors. And it was the 1st time he had any success.

    AGE has very little to do with it…It has more to do with EXPERIENCE!!!

    Mejia, d’ Arnaud and Lagares are flanked by Wright, Granderson, Murphy, Young etc.

    They need to add a vet or 2 to the pen like they have the lineup.

    Cant underestimate how much a vet means to a bullpen….

    SEE Hawkins tutelage of BLACK in such a short period that the 2 worked together not to mention all the other pen arms Hawk helped that year….

    Or was Isringhausen meant to a young struggling Parnell]

    Proof is in the pudding

  • Anthony

    Sandy is looking in the buy one get one free bin. This payroll is a disgrace

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Exactly. No excuse why they wouldn’t be looking at either Hanson or Niemann right now if they want another starter to compete with the young guys. If say, Colon & either Hanson or Niemann do well, they could flip them at the deadline by the time Montero (if he’s still here) & Syndergaard are ready.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    The same Lenny Harris whom has countless seasons under his belt where his avg was .180- .230???

    So far & very few in between…I think you further proved my point

    Thanks 😉

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    The Knicks? Damn. You gonna be depressed as hell when Melo bolts to the Lakers, aren’t you?

  • Charley’s Twin

    I’m not crazy about the GM and his merry band of assistant GMs, but 95% of our problems come from the Wilpons. Seriously.

  • Bayonne Mets Fan

    I hope not Hitman, I’m a Melo fan. I understand sometimes he goes too far with iso-ball but the guy is a scoring machine. He needs some consistent help. Labron would never be able to do anything in Miami without Wade and/or Bosh and outside of Melo here everyone else has been inconsistent. I hope the Knicks do what they can to build around him instead. But one of the things that does alarm me about Melo is he reminds me of David Wright here in that Melo has a tendency to miss big shots when you need him at the end of the game. Which, as you remember, Wright did w/the Mets from 06-08.

  • E1Guapo

    Hopefully it wasn’t the “nastiest stuff” that led to an obliterated elbow. I suspect it was his mismanaged development in the minors.

  • IndianaMet

    The bench has been solidified for a year now. Duda, Ike, Satin, Tejada, EYjr.
    I really wish this team would rebuild or go all in with the FAs. You cant do half and half and expect to accomplish anything. I was on board with signing Drew until it became apparent that first base will be a hole, again.
    We have Puello waiting in the wings, but signed 2 OFers to make the roster set at 5 minimum. I firmly believe this team wont contend in ’14, so why not see what the kids can do. Mejia, Montero, Syndergaard, Black, Flores, Lagares, Puello, all need to see lots of big league action so we know what we have and can assess and react accordingly.
    If the plan is to sign players (CY, Granderson, Colon) then dump them at the deadline, we will discourage other players and their agents from giving the organization any real consideration.
    This team’s plan going forward is like a soup sandwich.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    – The Royals sign Ramon Hernandez to a minor league deal

    – The Mets sign Taylor Teagarden to a minor league deal

    Whats wrong with that picture.

    Youd think we’d want to add the grizzled vet Hernandez to mentor our stud Catching prospect.

    I guess Sandy is smarter than EVERYONE ELSE

  • jessepmmo

    welcome back and happy new year!

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    They need a facelift badly. I’d LOVE to see Nowitzki as a Knick as their Center as well as picking up Tony Parker and bringing back Randolph to put around Melo. I’m curious about Rice Jr too. Shame he went down to injury.

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    You don’t remember when majority were up in arms about the Mets having interest in Hernandez before? Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Like I said before, Torrealba was a better option than Teagarden.

  • Taskmaster4450

    Except Valdespin most likely wont be with the Marlins, at least not to start. He was signed to a minor league contract without an invited to ST. That means he is going to the minor league camp.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    That was when it was said they were trying to acquire him via trade….when Fans wanted to see the young guys get a shot.

    This is different…you are acquiring him via free agency to help mentor your stud prospect catcher. Totally different circumstance

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    Honestly, I’d rather sign another catcher. Have Teagarden in AAA mentoring the young studs that are at the cusp of getting into the majors (I.E. Thor, Montero) and have another vet as a mentor on the ML level (Torrealba). They almost did it like that when they signed Blanco & Barajas to mentor Thole.

  • Don’t move the goal posts. You wanted one pinch hitter that hit over .300. He has done it more than once and was a career 270 hitter. Thank you for being wrong.

  • ROFL at BMF up-voting your comment. Looks like the gang is back together. 🙂

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Yeah but we know that aint happening….Also Ive been a proponent for Blanco….

  • Kabeetz

    “Depends on what happens in the middle infield” was the key takeaway there.

    They are basically openly saying what we already knew but they publicly changed course on regarding their hope to trade for an ss or sign drew.

    I think Sandy would like nothing more than not going into the season with Tejada as starter.

    Hope he’s got something up his sleeve.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Didnt move any goal posts…..

    Here is what I said–>>”name the pinch HITTERS who were sporting .300averages”

    HITTERS = PLURAL = MORE THAN ONE

    I wasnt implying that no pinch hitter EVER hit .300….

    I was implying how DIFFICULT it is to even pull off that feat, so claiming Valdespin sucks because his average as a pinch hitter is low is IDIOTIC

    So no I was NOT wrong…but nice try SodiumGary

  • vigouge

    He’s certainly smarter than the people whining about not signing one AAA catcher versus another.

  • varian64

    good reply. Got a good laugh on that…lol

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Noone whining about signing a Triple A catcher, slappy…

    They are talking about adding a SOLID VET BACKUP behind an injury prone prospect.

    Your nose is so far up Sandys exit wound you couldnt sniff that out

  • Joey D.

    HEY BAYONNE,

    SO GLAD TO SEE YOU BACK! AND YES, I AM USING CAPITAL LETTERS PURPOSELY TO EXPRESS MY JOY AND PLEASURE.

    PLEASE TRY TO CONFORM A BIT MORE TO THE RULES SO WE DON’T HAVE TO LOSE YOU AGAIN!

  • Super T

    With Ruben Tejeda, Ike Davis, Lucas Duda, Josh Satin, & Eric Young they don’t currently have enough bench players?

  • Out of place Met fan

    Keeping Tejada is probably the wisest value to dollar wisest decision right now but I would bring in someone to push him. Bring back Dice K and Aardsma along with a Bedard or Maholm

  • Denelor

    Serious question: What should they have done differently given the minuscule payroll?

    Personally, I think the jury is still out on Alderson. He had a giant pit of nothingness to work with when he showed up given that the Wilpons weren’t going to supply him with the money needed for a quick turnaround. Whether he’s done that or not remains to be seen.

    How do you judge him a failure and what would you have done differently? I’m honestly curious. I’ve recently moved here from MetsBlog and over there everyone who vehemently hates Alderson can’t seem to express it in anything other than mouth-frothing gibberish.

  • Pike Miazza

    Some of us ARE complaining……

  • Just_Da_damaja

    speaking of positive, i wonder what other former PED user Sandy intends to sign.

  • Bayonne Mets Fan

    Well first of all the comment that he inherited nothing is complete BS so you’re don’t know what the HELL you are talking about right off the bat. Second of all myself and others have answered this question a hundred thousand times before in our many arguments and now a whole new crew from Metsblog wants us to repeat. I’ll say what i can off the top of my head when i can. Third anyone who asks “Well what would you have done” is code for defending Alderson. Fourthly just because i wouldn’t know all the players that I wanted off the top of my head means nothing. There are TONS of good players starting with Alderson’s first off season that other teams signed that the Mets let go and it was within their budget. Other teams have been making better moves with almost the same amount of limited funds as the Mets his entire tenure here.

    in my opinion this is a man who had absolutely no intention of trying to win since he got here, in my opinion this is a man who felt he inherited a roster that had no chance so he may as well go out and fill positions as cheap as possible instead of getting the best talent he can as cheap as possible because if he did the latter all it would do is cost the Mets draft picks if he tried to make the team as good as he can every year. In my opinion that’s what he was doing.

    He dropped the ball right away by letting Reyes go and keeping Wright. Some of us felt the way to go forward with to remain strong up the middle with Reyes as SS and Tejada at his NATURAL postion -2B. SS is not Tejada’s position. Getting rid of Wright for major league ready talent and a prospect or two or whatever combination was the best way to go because like we said at the time it’s easier to replace what a choke artist like Wright can do then what a Reyes can do.

    I think Bad Bad Leroy Brown listed a whole lot more moves that should’ve been made instead of Alderson’s so go look for that.

    Alderson’s hitting philosophy has hurt this team IMMENSELY. More talent has gone backwards under Hudgens than improved. The OBP philosophy is complete nonsense and will will lead to failure. It already has. This is all off the top of my head. Oh and im’ sick and tired of all this talk about getting players just in case they do well so they can move them again for prospect. To hell with that already. It’s time to start TRYING TO WIN not barter. If you are looking for me to take time out of my day to …stop…go back and look at what players he should have gotten the last 3 years then you come to the wrong person buddy.

    I’m sure you are familiar with many teams rosters so i’m sure you can go look on your own at what players should be wearing Mets uniforms over the last few years instead of passing the buck to me all in the name of defending Alderson.

  • Bayonne Mets Fan

    Thanks Joey I will try.

  • Bayonne Mets Fan

    why do you even care that it’s “wisest value to the dollar” I mean really? Winning is hard enough now everybody want to try and win “under conditions”

  • Tacohow

    This team is full of bench players. What we don’t have are enough starters (see SS and first base)

  • Connor O’Brien

    When your budget is as tight as it seems to be, sometimes it has to be that way, especially when you’re spending big money in other places.
    Anyway, I would only agree with Out of place Met fan if Tejada bounced back to something like he did in 2011. He doesn’t have any plus tools to make keeping him worthwhile when he is struggling at the plate. When he’s not hitting, he doesn’t help in any way.

  • Bayonne Mets Fan

    Oh okay so you will agree with Out of Place if Tejada bounces back. But you will disagree if he doesn’t.

    Got it.

    And no friggin kiddin’ there budget is supposed to be tight. I said under what i had hoped to be the understanding or “wavelength” that he would mean i’m not referring to big money players. It was said relatively speaking and we were speaking about Tejada. Stay talking with the kids don’t bother me because Saber is all about wasting out time talking about things that were ingrained in the back of our minds growing up. In other words the stupid “Park Factor’ concept as if we had no idea about back in the day. Of course we did. We always knew that “player a” may not hit as well in San Diego as he did in Boston or Cinci. They refer to that now as “Park Factor”. We always knew that

    Go have your last word kid because i’m not going to type what i think about a wise guy like you. I just got back.

  • Destry

    Teagarden still has a lot of potential. I realize he isn’t a 20 year old, but he hasn’t really had that much playing time, and was very highly regarded as a prospect. He has always been very good defensively, he just never hit. I think it is really nice signing for 3rd C on a minor league deal. There is a very good chance Teagarden has a much better year than the over the hill washed up Ramon Hernandez.

  • Connor O’Brien

    They need to get younger, especially down low.

    At least the Knicks, unlike the Nets, have the ability to improve through the draft. I think the Nets don’t have another pick until like 2019…

  • Connor O’Brien

    Yeah I would agree that if he bounces back and hits as well as we’ve seen him, only then will he have that value/dollar amount that OOPMF is looking for. If he’s below that level, despite his salary, he still isn’t worth it in my opinion.

    And I totally agree with you on park factor. It’s been known for a long time. A lot of “sabermetric ideas” are really ones taken from years ago. I do think quantifying that stuff is important though, which is all something like park factor is.

  • Denelor

    Any team in worse draft shape than the Knicks should just fold up shop.

  • Connor O’Brien

    The Nets?…

    Big man who just can’t stop hurting his foot, superstar that wants out, aging complimentary pieces, and an inability to fix anything through the draft… That’s pretty bad…

  • Denelor

    Yup. My point exactly. They’re somehow in worse shape than the Knicks both in terms of draft picks available and long term contract prospects (as you point out). Things are bad in Brooklyn unless they go on some crazy run and win it this year.

  • I will find another but it will take time. Matt Franco only hit .270 PH. Spin did suck dude. In April he had 58 PA with a .255 BA, May 35 .138 and June 44 .167. He just couldn’t do it.

  • Randy

    Sign James McDonald or Tommy Hanson for 5th Starter. Pick Jerry Sands off waivers. Designated for assignment today. 1B/OF with power. Good bench player or AAA depth.

  • Connor O’Brien

    Yeah he was terrible… his career isn’t over yet but he’s not going to stick around much longer if he continues to play like he did last year, especially if he keeps the attitude…

  • According to Wiki Rusty Staub hit over .300 as a Mets Pinch hitter in 83 so there is 2, plural. This is a tough state to find out because there isn’t a good source to separate positional offensive stats with PH ones.

    “In 1983, he tied a National League record with eight straight pinch-hits and that same season also tied the Major League record of 25 RBIs by a pinch hitter.[9]
    In his last at bat in the season Staub hit a three-run home run off the
    LHP Dave Roberts to push his average to .300 for the season.”

  • Connor O’Brien

    We didn’t ask for .300 off the bench… .200 would be nice…

  • Well if they hit .300 off the bench they wouldn’t be on said bench usually.

  • Connor O’Brien

    That is very true

  • Brian D.

    Welcome back!

  • Bayonne Mets Fan

    Vinny thank you. It’s primarily you I have to thank for making me think about it and for all i know my IP could’ve already been blocked. But i’m here. So after a couple posts……..then getting a few things off my chest involving a couple of people (who came to me not me to them) i will try to simply move on and try to improve. Now back to the Knicks 🙂

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Yeah MIKE BAXTER O_o your favorite

  • Bayonne Mets Fan

    The Knicks were actually better last year when they were OLDER. Not everything in life is “you have to get younger to be better.” In life sometimes the situations you are dealing with at hand require you to make the moves you need and it always doesn’t fall into line with a mold, or a pattern, or an ideology, or even a belief.
    You roll with the changes.

    Knicks already have some good young talent just alone in Shump and Hardaway. What the Knicks REALLY need is another star to go with Carmelo Anthony and what they have already to play up the capabilities they did last year. That’s the “philosophy” they need now and not a one size fits all…duhhh…er,……they need to get younger.

    ….they need to get younger. Everything is…they need to get younger. Enough already and let’s just deal with what we have.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Oh please shut up already

    PLAY like what???

    You dont like him because of the stories you hear about his personality…The guy NEVER got a real chance to play consistently.

    If Collins gave d’Arnaud the same playing he gave Valdespin next year…all of you would calling for Collins head…and telling Alex how he’s wrong for calling TDA a POS because he hasnt received consistent playing time….

    So cut it out.

  • BadBadLeroyBrown

    Dont waste your time the fact that you cant come off the top of your head with the top pinch hitters says it all.

    Pinch hitters dont get enough atbats consistently to form a solid avg. they come in the game in high pressure situations and are asked to do the almost impossible and produce

  • Out of place Mets fan

    That was a comment regarding present realistic options available. Drew, Carrol, & Casilla namely. I would just rather go with Tejada and be in position for mid season sales on Oakland , Baltimore etc

  • Joey D.

    Hi Bayonne,

    Please do – we want you to stick around this time – especially because you played ball and we need one with a professional perspective to represent us “core” guys when we take on the “sabers” in our classic confrontations about differentiating between between statistics being a compilation of resource material that is great for game preparation and reference but not as a pragmatic application on how one should then either play or deal in strategic moves once the first pitch is thrown – in lieu of how the game is playing out according to how the players are performing that day, the weather conditions and even the height of the grass.

  • Connor O’Brien

    Thankfully they still have some fleibility with Shump, picks, and a few other pieces.

  • Connor O’Brien

    He’s gotten 350 PAs… not saying he will never be good but besides a few home runs, he’s been unproductive. And yes, he would have a shorter leash with me because of his personality.

    BTW Brandon Nimmo never got a chance to play consistently in the major leagues. Heck, he’s 20 years old and was feeling effects from injury all season, yet he’s a bust…

  • TexasGusCC

    BBLB, no thank you on Blanco, unless he’s a coach. That guy has sucked for several years now getting by on his résumé.

  • TexasGusCC

    Bayonne, you bring up five years ago like nothing has happened since. For all you guys that rag on Wright, name five 3B who are better right now. And, take park affects into consideration.

  • TexasGusCC

    LOL, BBLB. Good one!

  • Another reason why Spin was sent packing. 2 PH HR doesn’t make someone good at that situation.

  • dealingwithidiots

    While this blog is awesome and has a large readership I’m sure, it’s does not speak for MOST fans. How about this, instead of telling me to read, you learn what the big bad words mean. Not to mention, many readers on this board have not said they are satisfied. Just like people aren’t Sandy lovers, defenders, etc…. just because you say it over and over again, doesn’t make it true.

  • TPT

    Oh hey i know a great vet relief pitcher you add Sandy.. hes a great clubhouse guy,and great teacher whos respected by every pitcher in the organization and pitched lights out last year in any role that was asked asked of him in fact with Parnell gone he was a savior..his name is Latroy Hawkins and you let him go to Colorado because you deemed his 2.5 million dollar per yr salary 1 million more than you thought he was worth..lets see how much it cost you to replace his arm and intangibles…sorry Sandy but your a joke …

  • Hitmanᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔

    The Nets plan was a disaster from the start. Bringing in Kidd as head coach, who just retired and had NO coaching experience, plus adding a couple of has beens Boston have been looking to dump? Just brutal. If they were smart, this upcoming offseason would’ve been the right time to start adding guys.