Then Santana can retain his LION status, The Injury can be taken out of the picture, and it all looks like a medical decision not a problem with Santana’s work ethic, injured shoulder or anything serious….

Yes it got Santana off his butt….
I think a private challenge would get the same affect….

The question really is if he is NOT in condition and he could not go because of it does FORCING him to get up when he is not ready actually a good thing or a bad thing?

If you just minimize the entire story and let him go when he IS READY then if he breaks down it’s all on Santana!
Now if he gets hurt Sandy must take some of the blame in making him get up and work before the arm is ready that may be the cause of the injury if it happens….Sure Santana will share some of the blame but thats opposed to sharing ALL of it because he wasn’t in shape.

There are times to push an issue and then there are times to let them die!
This was a time to let it die or never give it life in the first place….

I gave you EVERY opportunity to GO ON RECORD with your opinion on the question asked REGARDLESS of what you said in the past or not….Your answer would have been accepted as FACT and we could then move on from this BULL we are now knee deep in and we could have moved onto the much more entertaining and relevant fact of this thread which is WAS SANDY RIGHT to trash a player REGARDLESS of having a good reason to trash him or not!

You REFUSED (and it is clear now) to go on that record because you were more worried about getting CAUGHT than you were in making your opinions clear on this topic!

Maybe if you approached debates on issues with a little less paranoia you might find I’m not AFTER YOU…Just trying to get you guys to go on record

Since you refuse to clarify your position on this I don’t feel the need to go search for your past statements here regarding similar circumstances because it’s quite clear your FEAR of getting caught is great enough to assume you probably WOULD get caugt if I put the effort into finding it.

If you claim to have NOT gone on record on this concept before I was perfectly ready to ACCEPT that and gave you the opportunity to go on record now….

YOU SEEM TO BE REFUSING….

I wonder why?

What are you afraid of if you NEVER flip flop on opinions as you suggest?
I agve you the courtesy to go on record…
You were too scared to do that weren’t you?

Your paranoia is starting a fight that didn’t need to be if you had just gone on record and answered the question that was asked….
If you never said anything then I could not GET YOU could I?
And we would be talkign about your answer to the question not how paranoid you are that the world is out to get you!

ALLOW ME TO FURTHER CLARIFY MY GENERALIZED STATEMENT ABOVE Re. JOHAN’S POST JULY RECORD AS A NY MET AS
YEAR #POST JULY GS

2008 10
2009 4
2010 7
2011 0 DNP
2012 2

TOTAL 23 OVER 5 YRS OR 4.6/Y AVG. WHAT IS THE GOING EXCHANGE RATE IN PROSPECTS FOR >5GS OF A ONE TIME ‘ACE’

2) SANTANA BOMBS, EARLY WBC REPORT DATE THROWS OFF VETERAN’S TIMING FOR READINESS SHOUYLD SMOOTH OUT RETURNING TO NORMAL DOMINANCE IN TIME

METSIE, EITHER WAY, HE SURELY GOT THE VET OFF HIS ASS & AS A “SORT-TIMER” WHO REALLY CARES IF HE HATES ALDERSONM OR NOT IT ISN’T AS IF ALDERSON WILL RVER NEED TO SIT ACROSS A NEGOTIATION TABLE FROM JOHAN IN EITHER’S LIFETIME.
OTHER GM’S WILL DISREGARD TOTALLY AS A VETERAN’S PROVEN COMBASTABILITY OUTWEIGHS ANY PRESEASON FRONTOFFICE SCRAP. BESIDES EVERY INTELLIGENT GM WILL MORE LIKELY PASS DUE TO SANTANA’S DISMAL TOTAL OF POST JULY GS SINCE 2005.. VERY,VERY FREW, I BELIEVE ONLY SINGLE DIGIT TOTAL COMPILED OVER ENTIRE NYM CONTRACT PERIOD. GETTING MORE THAN A SERVICABLE POSITIONAL MINOR LEAGUER WILL BE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT!

This thread is the root of my only issue with you. I don’t mind disagreeing with you, I don’t think you lack rational thoughts – but what you do is you get overly excited to make a point that you throw facts aside.

You claimed that *I* said something about Ike Davis which created your entire point.

“What did you say when it was suggested Sandy or the FO was the source of the Ike trashing? A: Why would he trash a player he might want to trade and DEVALUE his trade value by saying those things?”

“So remember back to the alibi you gave him when Ike was trashed and apply that same logic to what he did with Santana…..”

Then when I showed you I said nothing you said it didn’t matter. You didn’t say “sorry for misquoting you” you claimed it didn’t matter.

But it DID matter enough to start the argument because you thought you had me. You thought you caught me and you tried to make me look foolish.

I don’t need to defend somebody else’s views. I don’t think comparing anonymous sources and a GM answering a question in public is the valid.

So I’m not going to go back and forth on this because your attempt was to “catch me” not to have a discussion… and when it turned out to be a false accusation, you didn’t acknowledge the mistake – you claimed accusing me doesn’t matter.

One of those cases where everyone was right but it looked like it was all horribly wrong!

Pujols who wore number #5 and forced DW to wear #4 the last WBC did the same thing to the Angels and forced them to say “NO”. A patroit will force the issue to show wear his heart is knowing it probably will be declined. Your issue on “forcing to say no” is IMO bogus.

Name one MLB team who has ever entered into Bankruptcy
How many times havethe Yanees who have spent more than anoy other team been there?

So yes this Fifth grade persepective is about as accurate as thier perspective on Santa being REAL!

Because if you think differently I guess YOUR NOT A FAN!

Thats what you guys seem to be saying!
How does it work for you?

I would ACCEPT whatever answer you gave to the question regardless of what you said or didn’t sday in the past…

So answer the question please and stop avoiding it….

“Do you agree (or not) that a GM should not (and could) diminish the value of a player who he may want to trade in the near future by trashing him publicly?”

This is not about your PAST statements this is about DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE ABOVE?

YES OR NO thats all it takes dude…

If you refuse to answer that question then all we can assume is you have something to hide and wish to change your mind at a later date HOPING no one will bother to look for the last time you answered that same question…

The Question is posed…Do you agree or disagree?

oh

wait

http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/5-things-sandy-handled-poorly.html

Dickey?

Reyes?

Ike ?

now Santana ?

So does that mean, I didn’t say it?

You realize your entire point to me is based on me saying something… that now you’re telling me to forget if I said it or not?

Do you agree (or not) that a GM should not (and could) diminish the value of a player who he may want to trade in the near future by trashing him publicly?

Forget the Circus, the justification or the MERIT of thre trashing….
Is it smart to trash a guy who your BIGGEST hope this year is he does really well so you can trade him and be done with the contract, the option, the innings counts etc…etc…

My knock on Sandy isn’t based on moral grounds….It’s tactical!
I’m already on record that he had enough justification in the moral dept.
It’s the tactical and it does not look good towards any players that are here or we may soon WANT to be here….plus the area of Santana trade value I already mentioned.

What are u talking about??

Santana pitched on a bum leg during a meaningless 2nd half after throwing over 130 pitches to give our franchise their first no-hitter.

I’ll go to battle with Santana 7 days a week and 2x on Sunday.

Wright can do all the talking to the reporters afterwards

uncontrollable fire, but at times when aimed in the right direction, useful

http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/ike-davis-responds-to-charges-about-staying-out-late-and-resisting-coaching.html

You mean that?

I’m looking for my comments on the situation which you quoted or paraphrased. Do you mind finding me my views?

I’ll be honest, I don’t know if I said anything about the Ike Davis situation because really I don’t even remember it – and I go to that link and see nothing from me – so if you can help me find where I said “Why would he trash a player he might want to trade and DEVALUE his trade value by saying those things?” about Ike Davis – please let me know?