Exactly. Jeter was just one hitter in stacked lineups during those years. He wasn’t even the most productive player in any of those years. They had Martinez, O’Neill, Williams, Posada — all as productive or more than Jeter during those years. OTOH, they didn’t have other arms in the bullpen who were as good as Rivera. If there is any player who was key to those teams and who was irreplaceable it was Rivera. Not Jeter. Not any of the other bats. Just Rivera.

Players shouldn’t get any extra credit for HOF consideration for WS titles anyway. That’s a team thing.

And, lol, of course Wright is coming through more in the WBC than he does in the regular season. If he came through like that in the regular season, he’d be the greatest MLB player who ever lived. No one hits like that in the regular season with regularity.

at this point, he comes through more in the clutch in the WBC than he does in the regular season

both Jeter and Alomar are 1st ballot type HOF players…

Alomar is considered the BEST overall 2B in the past 80 years…and during his time, there was not a 2B who was even remotely close…

he was Ozzie Smith on defense and Cal Ripken on offense…all rolled up in 1, playing 2B..

Jeter in my opinion was to the Yankees what Pippen was to the Bulls, except he got Jordan type attention, due to his marketability.

and thats not a disrespect to Pippen/Jeter….

they rank in the best of their professions….

but guys like Alomar are in another class

“Not to mention his being the face of MLB itself for many years, a class act, and a player who ALWAYS hustles.”
1. Alomar was also known for his hustle.
2. I would also say that it is much easier to be the face of Major League Baseball when playing for the New York Yankees. Alomar spent his years with the Padres, Indians, Blue Jays, etc. Mostly small-market teams. Jeter has the added benefit in many people’s minds because he not only played in the biggest market in the country but also because he spent his entire career with one team.

“That’s just a fact. And intelligent BASEBALL people know that. This nonsense of comparing Alomar to Jeter has just as much weight as comparing Babe Ruth to Hank Greenberg. There’s just no reason for it.”
You can call me an uninformed, ignorant baseball fan and use all caps as much as you want for emphasis, but I really disagree with you here. You speak as if Jeter is in a whole other class. Jeter was no better than Roberto Alomar and if Alomar isn’t a first-ballot guy, neither is Jeter.

Derek Jeter is a first ballot HOFer because of his player ability, the numbers he produced throughout his career, and his overall play. Not to mention his being the face of MLB itself for many years, a class act, and a player who ALWAYS hustles.

That’s just a fact. And intelligent BASEBALL people know that. This nonsense of comparing Alomar to Jeter has just as much weight as comparing Babe Ruth to Hank Greenberg. There’s just no reason for it.

And NOTHING is more childish than the YOUR NOT A FAN response people are getting for stating thier opinion….
If you don’t think it is ok to trash Players….Then don’t…EVER for ANY reason if you wish to be a Met fan and call someone else NOT a fan for doing what you do!

My advice, and I know you’ll probably write it off a split second after reading it, is to move on. There is no winning a blog, the only thing that happens to divisive posters on the internet is that they either get banned or run off everyone else and no one benefits from that.

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I know that’s what they said, but it doesn’t make sense given the fact the first game didn’t start till 2 days after the substitution was made. Either Howard or Ike could have easily gotten to AZ in just hours. I think Torre made the decision and he had to say something to try to justify it so he just threw that out there.

Nope … It totally explains why ALL his numbers have been off since moving to Citi Field. The larger dimensions screwed up his entire swing and approach at the plate, so while Wright had more HRs in 2010 than in 2012, his BA and OBP took a dive. In 2012, his BA, OBP, and SLG all went back to his career norms, and his OPS was also back to normal and the highest it’s been since the move to Citi.

OPS is NOT an absolute measure of power

No one said it was. But it’s one of the best numbers to use when looking at OVERALL offensive production.

if Wright is IBB all year long, because he has a weak hitter behind him, his OPS is raised high, despite his not having to do anything

Except that’s not why Wright’s 2012 OPS rebounded. The number of IBBs Wright had in 2012 was not significantly more than his career norms. And if you took them away and instead counted his normal OBP and BA against those IBBs, then his 2012 OPS would be essentially the same.

Beltran just hits HR’s everywhere he goes…weak lineup, strong lineups, AL Central, NL Central, NL West, NL Central, different leagues, divisions, lineups, umpires, weather conditions, whatever…

And Wright hits for a better average, gets a higher OBP and OPS … and ends up with a better WAR!