Comments on: Featured Post: Where Does The Mets Minor League System Rank? http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html Sun, 19 May 2013 11:58:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Connor O'Brien http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-380486 Connor O'Brien Sat, 16 Mar 2013 15:13:12 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-380486 It’s every team.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/02/service-time-considerations-for-top-prospects.html

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-380483 Metsie Sat, 16 Mar 2013 15:12:23 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-380483 Oh please it was built on the FA Pitching and sluggers they bought every year to fill all the holes around those FIVE KIDS (JUST FIVE!!!!!) Two of which were Pitchers and one of them pitched one inning per game!
The other once every 5 days!

Who won it for them the rest of the time Jeter and Posada? Really?

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-380480 Metsie Sat, 16 Mar 2013 15:10:09 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-380480 And your the one who thought you were clever by posting prospects lists of teams who haven’t won anything yet as if that said something to prove your point….

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-380479 Metsie Sat, 16 Mar 2013 15:08:20 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-380479 Yeahthey are devoid of any reason to you because your idea of reason is REVERSE LOGICAL!

You think it takes Kids to win but every example you show of having kids has never one (BUT ONE!) And the ones you show as past success all REQUIRED a lot of VETS and BOUGHT TALENT to get the winning…INCLUDING those Giants you think proves your point!

So the on’y reason why you don’t understand my reason is because you couldn’t RECOGNIZE reason if it bit you in the face!

]]> By: hbkslick1016 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-380424 hbkslick1016 Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:19:36 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-380424 I don’t suppose any of the pitchers who’s teams lead their respective leagues in A-, A and A+ in ERA, WHIP and K/BB will develop and fill the void of ZW and TDA will they?

]]> By: vigouge http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-380363 vigouge Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:32:51 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-380363 Maybe you shouldn’t have trolled with the Gomez comment in a post about the farm system. Then you wouldn’t leave yourself open to snarky comments.

]]> By: vigouge http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-380361 vigouge Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:31:07 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-380361 You’re exactly right except for that fact that it was completely the other way around. The 90′s dynasty was built on the backs of those great prospects being supplemented by smart free agent signings and trades. Their best player, Jeter, best pitcher, Pettite, and best reliever, Rivera were all home grown guys. Coincidentally they have had far less success the past decade in comparison to the dynasty years by depending on expensive free agents who quickly become overpaid.

Real success starts with acquiring young talent either through the draft, trades, or international signings, and then developing that talent. That young talent always appears on prospect lists, that’s why they’re not meaningless.

]]> By: vigouge http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-380358 vigouge Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:16:42 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-380358 I don’t have anyone lined up for anything. You’re the one who thought they were being so clever by posting prospect lists of players that didn’t pan out. Simple fact is there are no great players out there that didn’t appear on a teams prospect list, not that every prospect is a future all-star.

]]> By: vigouge http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-380356 vigouge Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:12:42 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-380356 I’m actually just seeing them now, there’s a limit to how many of your posts I can read in one day as each is so devoid of any reason or fact that it makes my head hurt.

]]> By: vigouge http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-380355 vigouge Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:04:04 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-380355 Pizza A ball age 22 1991

.277 .344 .540 .884

So yes it was his third year, which I never knew was in contention, but it was A-ball after which he became a top 10 prospect in the Dodgers system, then the next year a top prospect in general. Sickels just did a prospect retrospective.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2013/2/15/3992344/mike-piazza-mets-dodgers-prospect-retrospective

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-379248 Metsie Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:55:47 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-379248 Well said TJ….Lets hope coming from you (who has not been part of the GM wars) it sinks into some people what the rest of us have been saying….

I have no doubt that guys like Wheeler and d’Arnaud will be MLB players…The only question is how good of an MLB player will they be? Will they be more than what we gave away to get them? In my book being a lesser player for 8 years and cheaper is not an adequate replacement for much better even if it is only for one year, because that one year COULD BE the year you won the WS!

I have no desire to trash or even doubt those kids but I do have an issue with people making them out to be the key pieces to get us to a WS that they felt Beltran and Dickey couldn’t get us to with the same team. The Kids would have to be MUCH Better than those guys to do that. And anyone who suggests they are DEFINITLY going to be better is just outright praying not evaluating based on facts.

D’Arnaud has never had a year like Beltran (vs MLB Pitcfhing) vs Minor leaguers it is just wishfull thinking to think his bat replaces his in the linup or as is suggested he will make us winners where Beltran could notonce he has to face MLB Pitching!

And I have said all offseason that this was a VERY DEEP CLASS of OFers to buy that could have at least solved one problem for the short term meaning less needed to buy next year!

And I happen to believe this pot of gold they expect to find at the end of the 2013 rainbow also will never be found. If ATtendance declines as expected they will either lose more money than just 23 Mil (that they lost last year) but they could lose even more and ERASE any savings they think they got from Bay and Santana coming off the books.

Kids are great for having hope….But Hope is only the fallback plan people run to when they know WINNING isn’t something they are going to get this year….

]]> By: OmarsLegacy http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-379186 OmarsLegacy Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:42:49 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-379186 Does it bother you Rubin obviously MADE up a tale or that I exposed it, Joe? Or are you accusing TJ Rivera of lying? Careful with answering that one.

Don’t say it’s an editing mistake either. The kid did grow up in the Throgs Neck section of the Bronx. And the 4 train runs on the opposite side of the Bronx, easily a 10-15 minute drive. Isn’t responsible journalism what posters, readers and sports followers demand from writers?

Lets play Devil’s Advocate for a second. Why would this egregious error be allowed to come to fruition? I would wager 90% of New York City natives catch this error. EVERYONE who rides the 4/6 in NYC catches this error. At the very least, this article makes TJ Rivera appear to be a liar, since reporters are treated like the Pope by the common sports fan.

Maybe someone should ask him that question? If he’s going to embellish a story, he should do it without quoting a young man who he made look like a liar.

]]> By: OmarsLegacy http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-379182 OmarsLegacy Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:21:54 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-379182 Yes, because TJ Rivera CLEARLY forgets what train travels in his neighborhood lol. It’s funny how journalists are believed over athletes.

]]> By: TX http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-379179 TX Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:16:13 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-379179 Time will tell, but I tend to lean towards the proven commodity that is Bourn than what MDD or Kirk may become.

]]> By: Joe D http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-379172 Joe D Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:49:28 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-379172 That’s a ghastly lie? Wonder what you would call Nixon saying I am not a crook? And Rubin didn’t say it anyway. You should worry about your own legacy, which may soon draw to an end at MMO if we don’t see any baseball intellect from you soon.

]]> By: srt http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-379164 srt Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:33:52 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-379164 Doesn’t sound like that ‘lie’ was Rubin’s. He’s clearly quoting Rivera there.

]]> By: TRS86 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-379163 TRS86 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:32:28 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-379163 You are right, that MDD and Kirk are very good so thus no need for Bourn. Glad we agree.

]]> By: OmarsLegacy http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-379160 OmarsLegacy Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:29:24 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-379160 Adam Rubin continues to be the biggest liar. In this write up for TJ Rivera, he wrote up the following.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/44167/farm-report-bronx-cheer-for-rivera

This was the ghastly lie:

“I grew up a Yankee fan all my life,” Rivera said. “Everybody in my family is except my dad. My dad was the only Mets fan, believe it or not. I was actually pretty close. I was right in Throgs Neck, which is about 10 minutes away from Yankee Stadium. And if we took the train, it would be a little longer — 15 minutes maybe. We’d just hop on the 4 train and be right there.”

The 4 train doesn’t run to Throgs Neck. The 6 train does. The 6 runs nowhere near Yankee Stadium. You must go to Harlem’s 125th street station, transfer to the 4 train, and then take the 4 to Yankee Stadium. That’s about a 30-45 minute train ride depending on wait time.

]]> By: TJ http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-379149 TJ Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:30:39 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-379149 J-D-D,
I appreciate all the efforts that you put in to producing the “top 10″ lists. I am Alderson-nuetral, but if that doesn’t wake up the Sandy flock there really isn’t much more to discuss. Even on Sickels list, there are 5, count them 5, pitchers rated above Wheeler. Wheeler, who hasn’t thrown a pitch in MLB, he of 4.4/9 BB rate in AAA last year. Now, I love having a prospect like this, but they are far far far from givens, as you demonstrate. Are all 6 Sickels “top 15″ pitchers going to become aces? Are any? Proven MLB talent is required, and until Alderson starts acquiring that he is essentially going PT Barnum style. We can debate Omar vs. Alderson like we can debate religion, both have strengths and are capable baseball men, but putting ALL the chips on prospects is a VERY risky business. Lastly, this notion of “2014″ when the Mets become big spenders is more illusion. They may well have a pocket full of money with no one to spend it on. That list of available OF next year is not impressive to me, and perhaps the one of most interest, former Met prospect Mr. Gomez, looks like he is staying put with the Brew Crew. This is the trend now, where more teams retain the “quality” FAs. I am a Met fan, and I would rather see them win, see these prospects pan out, and the Mets surge to the top, but this has been one unimpressive offseason as far as I’m concerned.

]]> By: DrDooby http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/featured-post-where-does-the-mets-minor-league-system-rank.html#comment-379148 DrDooby Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:27:28 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=110789#comment-379148 Looking at ” failed prospects” is too simple.
One can also look at the Bartolo Colon for Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee and Brandon Phillios trade or the A’s deal of Trevor Cahill for Jarrod Parker and Ryan Cook or the – fortunate trade – of Mark Teixeira to ATL for Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz, Matt Harrison and Jarrod Saltalamacchia for example.

Those trades have worked out extremely well for the teams receiving the prospects for example.

And if you look at some prospects list for the Braves, Nats or Reds of recent years, those have been very productive systems…

It all depends on finding the right mix of veteran players and young players and knowing when your time comes to strike swiftly in trades or free agency.

The Mets system has produced a significant number of decent major leaguers – but for now – very little true ” impact types ” over the past several years. Hopefully Matt Harvey, Jon Niese and Ike Davis will eventually change that perceiption and will be joined by Wheeler and d’ Arnaud as a good core ( along with Wright) going forward.

As for d’ Arnaud and Wheeler, if just one of them becomes a high impact player, that’d probably be worth more than having Beltran and Dickey around at 25 million $ overall or so per year right now from a structural point of view.

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