and how exactly would you describe a W-L record?

“nobody complained about wins and losses back then because they knew what to look for”
well the general consensus of the die hard baseball fans is now that wins are irrelevant, or should at least be taken with ahhuge grain of salt. So people actually DID find fault in the statistic, which is why we are where we are today, because the system of evaluating baseball many years ago was inefficient. By no means is it perfect today, bt it is much better because people ae realizing the faults in statistics like wins and losses.

And let me tell you something else, more often than not a good pitcher is gonna be responsible for most of his wins so to say that wins don’t matter with a Steve Carlton or a good performance by any pitcher is wrong. They get that win. They deserve that win. Winning pitchers are winning pitchers with more wins than losses for their careers for a reason and to take that away just because of the way the game is played is wrong and disingenuous to today’s athlete.

And no, I am NOT implying that front office people or writers know more than the players who play the game. I’m saying their job is to do what it takes to win. Players stay away from advanced stats and always have because they don’t matter to them (unless there is some glaring trend that they need to fix). The front office’s jobn is to figure out based on their evidence. who contributes more to the team. And when evaluating pitchers, they don’t use a stat that is half based on the offense’s performance to do this because that wouldn’t be smart. Can’t say it any simpler than that. If you look at it as a player that’s fine by me, but just realize that’s not the way I am looking at it.

And I gave you my reasoning, kid. That’s my evidence. This “evidence” stuff is getting completely out of hand because “evidence” on a stat sheet is not the same in real life with most of these newfangled, ridiculous statistics that tell you NOTHING. All they do is transform what’s on the field into a numeric model that can be deciphered a million ways.

Seems all talk of evidence disappears when talking about the job Alderson has done though because usually it’s just blind faith that his supporters like YOU like to rely on. And you know what? If that’s how you feel, if that’s your hunch, more power to you kid

That athlete is throwing pitch after pitch after pitch and that pitcher is more responsible for the outcome of that game than any other player on the field. He is the engine of the team and you give that guy his win and you put it on his record for all to see. Sure we’ve seen Santana throw tons of great games and not get the win but that’s the way the game is and you don’t penalize the rest because of the anomalies of the game.

And another thing, after your projections why is it that you can’t give YOUR OWN opinion on what his record will be? You need to look at some ridiculous stat instead of relying on your own intuition watching the guy for the last several years? If you can’t tell just by that than you’re taking the easy way out.

2014
Harvey
Niese
Wheeler
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Gee

If Gee is our 4th or 5th best pitcher, we’re in a good place.

And we are trying to give pitchers their due. We are looking at what exactly they did to put their teams in position to win, regardless if their teams matched their efforts.