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		<title>By: Metro12</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/understanding-the-business-of-baseball-insurance-on-player-contracts.html#comment-354743</link>
		<dc:creator>Metro12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, jessep, nice job covering an important topic. Wendy Thurm at Fangraphs also recently covered this topic as it relates to A-Rod. I just went back to read  it again, and there are two interesting things to note from that article: 

1) Because most policies are for only 3 years, it&#039;s likely A-Rod&#039;s insurance would reimburse the Yankees for ONLY that period of time. The Yankees would then be liable for 100% of the remaining years of the contract. For example, if the current 3-year period started in 2011, and included that season, and A-Rod never played another game again, then the most the Yankees would be reimbursed would be for 2013 (at 80%) which is the end of that 3-year period. The Yankees would then be responsible for ALL the remaining years of the contract. :)  This of course assumes that they they had that 3-year limitation with A-Rod&#039;s insurance. I think, though, it&#039;s a safe assumption given the recent trends in the insurance industry. 

2) The salary is STILL counted toward the luxury tax, whether the insurance or the team pays it. Again, :) 

This is very good. It would be very bad if the Yankees get off the hook for the terrible decision they made in 2007 to extend him for so many years and so many dollars. It&#039;s nice to know that the insurance may be very limited even if he doesn&#039;t play another game in his life. 

Here&#039;s that fangraphs article: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/will-insurance-on-a-rods-contract-save-the-yankees/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, jessep, nice job covering an important topic. Wendy Thurm at Fangraphs also recently covered this topic as it relates to A-Rod. I just went back to read  it again, and there are two interesting things to note from that article: </p>
<p>1) Because most policies are for only 3 years, it&#8217;s likely A-Rod&#8217;s insurance would reimburse the Yankees for ONLY that period of time. The Yankees would then be liable for 100% of the remaining years of the contract. For example, if the current 3-year period started in 2011, and included that season, and A-Rod never played another game again, then the most the Yankees would be reimbursed would be for 2013 (at 80%) which is the end of that 3-year period. The Yankees would then be responsible for ALL the remaining years of the contract. <img src='http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   This of course assumes that they they had that 3-year limitation with A-Rod&#8217;s insurance. I think, though, it&#8217;s a safe assumption given the recent trends in the insurance industry. </p>
<p>2) The salary is STILL counted toward the luxury tax, whether the insurance or the team pays it. Again, <img src='http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>This is very good. It would be very bad if the Yankees get off the hook for the terrible decision they made in 2007 to extend him for so many years and so many dollars. It&#8217;s nice to know that the insurance may be very limited even if he doesn&#8217;t play another game in his life. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s that fangraphs article: <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/will-insurance-on-a-rods-contract-save-the-yankees/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/will-insurance-on-a-rods-contract-save-the-yankees/</a></p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good informative article dealing with the insurance aspect of the players that make up your roster.  I had no idea &#039;Most of the insurance policies are covered within 3 year intervals...&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good informative article dealing with the insurance aspect of the players that make up your roster.  I had no idea &#8216;Most of the insurance policies are covered within 3 year intervals&#8230;&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: jessep</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah I sense that I guess I&#039;m just curious to what extent it impacted baseball decisions. 

oh and Donal - thanks for reading!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah I sense that I guess I&#8217;m just curious to what extent it impacted baseball decisions. </p>
<p>oh and Donal &#8211; thanks for reading!</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The insurance industry in general got an overdue overhaul after 9/11.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The insurance industry in general got an overdue overhaul after 9/11.</p>
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		<title>By: jessep</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hank - Basically what I&#039;m saying is really 2 things

ARod could sit out 2013 due to the injury and the Yanks could recoop some of that $. He&#039;d have to retire due to a medical condition for the Yanks to put in a claim, and even with that they still pay ARod and cannot guarantee they get the claim paid right away. So if they have $20m paid to ARod in 2014 lets just say, they are still paying that money regardless of the insurance claim. 

What I do not know yet because it hasn&#039;t happened is: let&#039;s say he is done. does he have to sit on the 40 man like Belle did? And if so, are the yanks penalized under the luxury tax for his salary since they are still technically paying him? I think people ASSUME they are free of it but I do not think it&#039;s as clear cut as that]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hank &#8211; Basically what I&#8217;m saying is really 2 things</p>
<p>ARod could sit out 2013 due to the injury and the Yanks could recoop some of that $. He&#8217;d have to retire due to a medical condition for the Yanks to put in a claim, and even with that they still pay ARod and cannot guarantee they get the claim paid right away. So if they have $20m paid to ARod in 2014 lets just say, they are still paying that money regardless of the insurance claim. </p>
<p>What I do not know yet because it hasn&#8217;t happened is: let&#8217;s say he is done. does he have to sit on the 40 man like Belle did? And if so, are the yanks penalized under the luxury tax for his salary since they are still technically paying him? I think people ASSUME they are free of it but I do not think it&#8217;s as clear cut as that</p>
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		<title>By: jessep</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you&#039;re welcome and thanks for reading!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re welcome and thanks for reading!</p>
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		<title>By: jessep</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point on Beltran, though he signed a 2 year deal after the knee issues so I am not sure the Cardinals would have put a claim in for that deal. 

My point on Reyes was just a ballpark. I&#039;m merely suggesting an insurer COULD take issue with the potential for hamstring issues/leg issues in the future just as the insurer didn&#039;t trust Brandon Webb&#039;s arm. It&#039;s just something to consider that&#039;s all.

For example, when Webb wasn&#039;t signed it appeared to be a failure by the GM at the time but that doesn&#039;t mean AZ didn&#039;t try to sign him. The same could be said for Reyes - and I&#039;m not saying that IS what happened. I&#039;m just suggesting if the Mets made an offer and then their insurer said &quot;no we won&#039;t cover a leg injury.&quot; and then Mets pull an offer - we&#039;d have people all over the Mets right? But we wouldn&#039;t have the facts]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point on Beltran, though he signed a 2 year deal after the knee issues so I am not sure the Cardinals would have put a claim in for that deal. </p>
<p>My point on Reyes was just a ballpark. I&#8217;m merely suggesting an insurer COULD take issue with the potential for hamstring issues/leg issues in the future just as the insurer didn&#8217;t trust Brandon Webb&#8217;s arm. It&#8217;s just something to consider that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>For example, when Webb wasn&#8217;t signed it appeared to be a failure by the GM at the time but that doesn&#8217;t mean AZ didn&#8217;t try to sign him. The same could be said for Reyes &#8211; and I&#8217;m not saying that IS what happened. I&#8217;m just suggesting if the Mets made an offer and then their insurer said &#8220;no we won&#8217;t cover a leg injury.&#8221; and then Mets pull an offer &#8211; we&#8217;d have people all over the Mets right? But we wouldn&#8217;t have the facts</p>
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		<title>By: jessep</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for reading!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for reading!</p>
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		<title>By: jessep</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right Vaughn was a similar case. Vaughn was in the final year of his contract though and had an arthritic knee. Belle or in this case ARod are/were much bigger insurance claims than Mo Vaughn&#039;s contract. 

In one of those links I provided, Steve Phillips even suggested that the Albert Belle contract and 9/11 changed the entire business of baseball contracts.

I&#039;m not totally sure I grasp the 9/11 connection yet though to be honest]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Vaughn was a similar case. Vaughn was in the final year of his contract though and had an arthritic knee. Belle or in this case ARod are/were much bigger insurance claims than Mo Vaughn&#8217;s contract. </p>
<p>In one of those links I provided, Steve Phillips even suggested that the Albert Belle contract and 9/11 changed the entire business of baseball contracts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not totally sure I grasp the 9/11 connection yet though to be honest</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do you have this discussion without mentioning Mo Vaughn? I&#039;m pretty sure he was the guy who finally pushed the insurers over into forcing the current system. Its even jokingly referred to in the industry as the &quot;Mo Vaughn Rule&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you have this discussion without mentioning Mo Vaughn? I&#8217;m pretty sure he was the guy who finally pushed the insurers over into forcing the current system. Its even jokingly referred to in the industry as the &#8220;Mo Vaughn Rule&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very informative piece. One thing if note, I think Reyes is a bad example. His hamstring injuries cause time on the DL but are not career threatening. The insurance company will insure that all day long because of the low likelihood of payout. A better example is Carlos Beltran who has s degenerative condition with his knee. He would be tough to insure. Similar to a Bo Jackson hip or an Albert Belle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very informative piece. One thing if note, I think Reyes is a bad example. His hamstring injuries cause time on the DL but are not career threatening. The insurance company will insure that all day long because of the low likelihood of payout. A better example is Carlos Beltran who has s degenerative condition with his knee. He would be tough to insure. Similar to a Bo Jackson hip or an Albert Belle.</p>
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		<title>By: wasadeyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>wasadeyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The informed and educated fan tends to be more rational.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The informed and educated fan tends to be more rational.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 18:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice work. 

So you&#039;re basically saying unless say A-Rod retires...the Yankees are screwed?? I mean, they will probably push to settle but still have to eat a giant piece of the contracted money. Man, for the first time all season, I&#039;m glad David Wright didn&#039;t get traded because he would so be a Yankee in 2014.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work. </p>
<p>So you&#8217;re basically saying unless say A-Rod retires&#8230;the Yankees are screwed?? I mean, they will probably push to settle but still have to eat a giant piece of the contracted money. Man, for the first time all season, I&#8217;m glad David Wright didn&#8217;t get traded because he would so be a Yankee in 2014.</p>
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		<title>By: jerseymet</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerseymet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 18:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Michael]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Michael</p>
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