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		<title>By: X-Rated</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/the-end-of-mets-bullpen-follies.html#comment-357486</link>
		<dc:creator>X-Rated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 23:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[....or we could&#039;ve just kept Dickey, and never lost the 14-20 possible wins, not to mention the 200+ innings negating the need for deep bullpens when he pitched. I know, I know...we got younger and deeper for the future, but who among us is guaranteed anything!?!?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.or we could&#8217;ve just kept Dickey, and never lost the 14-20 possible wins, not to mention the 200+ innings negating the need for deep bullpens when he pitched. I know, I know&#8230;we got younger and deeper for the future, but who among us is guaranteed anything!?!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/the-end-of-mets-bullpen-follies.html#comment-357329</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see you still got nothin and came up blank....

When you get something maybe someone will be nice enough to respond to it.....

Until then keep us abreast of yor progress in finding a point...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you still got nothin and came up blank&#8230;.</p>
<p>When you get something maybe someone will be nice enough to respond to it&#8230;..</p>
<p>Until then keep us abreast of yor progress in finding a point&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1 less appearance in each appearance? Talking be hard.

Your &quot;proof&quot; says he had 1 less appearance in the second half and 5 fewer innings. It does not say his role had been changed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 less appearance in each appearance? Talking be hard.</p>
<p>Your &#8220;proof&#8221; says he had 1 less appearance in the second half and 5 fewer innings. It does not say his role had been changed.</p>
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		<title>By: DrDooby</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/the-end-of-mets-bullpen-follies.html#comment-357065</link>
		<dc:creator>DrDooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 10:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From mid 2010 through mid 2012, I agree that this ownership group was in severe financial distress and barely able to hold onto the franchise. They needed bridge loans, needed to hand out the minority shares and cut costs drastically to hang on.  

However, with the Picard case settled in a very modest way, the payroll downsized to a point where operating losses by the Mets pretty much equal SNY gains (for the Wilpon share in it) in both 2012 and probably 2013 as well, plus “fresh” money of well over 150 million $ being paid out to the Wilpons in their re-financing, things are looking up quite a bit. 

The 2014 payroll – for now – stands at below 60 million $ - with deferred payments to Jason Bay the Mets probably are in the low 60 millions in terms of actual payout commitments. Every MLB team receives about an additional 11 million $ from 2014 on as part of the new National TV deal. So, where the break-even point for the – isolated – Mets break-even may have been around 75 million $ recently, it´ll jump up to about 85 million. If you are willing and able to invest the SNY gains – which are at least 20+ million for the Wilpons´ shares from what has been written, that would allow for a 105 million $ payroll or so in 2014  - without having to even touch the 150+ million $ in new liquid funds the Wilpons have received in their recent restructuring of loans. 

It also doesn´t account for the potential of rising revenue if the team is performing better in 2014 or going forward. Which would allow for a higher Mets payroll and also increase the profits for SNY shares. 

So, I don´t see any reason why the Mets shouldn´t have significant payroll flexibility again from next season on. Unless the Wilpons feel it´s better to milk profits by continueing to lower costs and have a mediocre team instead of the potential of higher profits with a strong team. But again, it will totally be up to Alderson to spend in 2014 and field a 100 to 110 million payroll that season – if he elects to do so. 

It´s still not the LA Dodgers or LA Angels in terms of spending of course, heck not even the Phillies or Nationals. And I´d rather see the Wilpons sell the team today than tomorrow. However, as unfortunate as that may be , they seem to be over the hump…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From mid 2010 through mid 2012, I agree that this ownership group was in severe financial distress and barely able to hold onto the franchise. They needed bridge loans, needed to hand out the minority shares and cut costs drastically to hang on.  </p>
<p>However, with the Picard case settled in a very modest way, the payroll downsized to a point where operating losses by the Mets pretty much equal SNY gains (for the Wilpon share in it) in both 2012 and probably 2013 as well, plus “fresh” money of well over 150 million $ being paid out to the Wilpons in their re-financing, things are looking up quite a bit. </p>
<p>The 2014 payroll – for now – stands at below 60 million $ &#8211; with deferred payments to Jason Bay the Mets probably are in the low 60 millions in terms of actual payout commitments. Every MLB team receives about an additional 11 million $ from 2014 on as part of the new National TV deal. So, where the break-even point for the – isolated – Mets break-even may have been around 75 million $ recently, it´ll jump up to about 85 million. If you are willing and able to invest the SNY gains – which are at least 20+ million for the Wilpons´ shares from what has been written, that would allow for a 105 million $ payroll or so in 2014  &#8211; without having to even touch the 150+ million $ in new liquid funds the Wilpons have received in their recent restructuring of loans. </p>
<p>It also doesn´t account for the potential of rising revenue if the team is performing better in 2014 or going forward. Which would allow for a higher Mets payroll and also increase the profits for SNY shares. </p>
<p>So, I don´t see any reason why the Mets shouldn´t have significant payroll flexibility again from next season on. Unless the Wilpons feel it´s better to milk profits by continueing to lower costs and have a mediocre team instead of the potential of higher profits with a strong team. But again, it will totally be up to Alderson to spend in 2014 and field a 100 to 110 million payroll that season – if he elects to do so. </p>
<p>It´s still not the LA Dodgers or LA Angels in terms of spending of course, heck not even the Phillies or Nationals. And I´d rather see the Wilpons sell the team today than tomorrow. However, as unfortunate as that may be , they seem to be over the hump…</p>
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		<title>By: DrDooby</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrDooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 09:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it´s a more recent trend, but most successful teams of recent time have employed mostly youngish and inexpensive bullpens. 
Washington, Atlanta, St.Louis, Oakland or Tampa Bay, just to name a few. 
Sure, there have also been bullpens with more experienced relievers - such as Cincy or SF. However, even those bullpens rarely featured prolific free agent signings but relievers in their late 20s that haven´t yet reached free agency but were traded for or picked up as former non-tenders. 

And had you read my post, you´d have realized that the solution isn´t &quot;young young young&quot; but rather that what the Mets have done over the past 10+ years (i.e. mostly veterans due to a lack of young arms) hasn´t exactly worked. And also that they should spend where spending makes sense - say for an outfield. Because the next Mets playoff outfield in all likelihood won´t come from within (unless we´re targeting 2017 for the next Mets playoff team).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it´s a more recent trend, but most successful teams of recent time have employed mostly youngish and inexpensive bullpens.<br />
Washington, Atlanta, St.Louis, Oakland or Tampa Bay, just to name a few.<br />
Sure, there have also been bullpens with more experienced relievers &#8211; such as Cincy or SF. However, even those bullpens rarely featured prolific free agent signings but relievers in their late 20s that haven´t yet reached free agency but were traded for or picked up as former non-tenders. </p>
<p>And had you read my post, you´d have realized that the solution isn´t &#8220;young young young&#8221; but rather that what the Mets have done over the past 10+ years (i.e. mostly veterans due to a lack of young arms) hasn´t exactly worked. And also that they should spend where spending makes sense &#8211; say for an outfield. Because the next Mets playoff outfield in all likelihood won´t come from within (unless we´re targeting 2017 for the next Mets playoff team).</p>
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		<title>By: vigouge</title>
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		<dc:creator>vigouge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two points, Rauch&#039;s innings and appearences would have been virtually identical if not for having a few issues with his knees at the All-Star break which ended in him having them drained.  Second there&#039;s no evidence his role changed in the second half.  He was actually brought into the game before the 8th twice as many times in the first half (probably because of his struggles), and he was a better pitcher in high leverage situations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two points, Rauch&#8217;s innings and appearences would have been virtually identical if not for having a few issues with his knees at the All-Star break which ended in him having them drained.  Second there&#8217;s no evidence his role changed in the second half.  He was actually brought into the game before the 8th twice as many times in the first half (probably because of his struggles), and he was a better pitcher in high leverage situations.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoever it was it was obviously someone who can&#039;t post under a Nick we all know or recognize because they know if they did JoeD would ban them and then they would have no way to post here....

Who, isn&#039;t important the fact they are identified as an idiot is what is key here....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever it was it was obviously someone who can&#8217;t post under a Nick we all know or recognize because they know if they did JoeD would ban them and then they would have no way to post here&#8230;.</p>
<p>Who, isn&#8217;t important the fact they are identified as an idiot is what is key here&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Hitman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Real Dirty Mets]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real Dirty Mets</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/the-end-of-mets-bullpen-follies.html#comment-356732</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure I did I showed they used him less....

1 less appearance, Less in EACH appearance....

ALl you have proved so far is that your a time wasting bumbling contrarian who can&#039;t make a point, prove anyone wrong...just waste their time...

Since my proof says what I said it did...Used him less and differently than the first half and you got nothing to deny what I said I guess I win!

Now until you come up with some facts you would like me to comment on...Move along Doggie!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure I did I showed they used him less&#8230;.</p>
<p>1 less appearance, Less in EACH appearance&#8230;.</p>
<p>ALl you have proved so far is that your a time wasting bumbling contrarian who can&#8217;t make a point, prove anyone wrong&#8230;just waste their time&#8230;</p>
<p>Since my proof says what I said it did&#8230;Used him less and differently than the first half and you got nothing to deny what I said I guess I win!</p>
<p>Now until you come up with some facts you would like me to comment on&#8230;Move along Doggie!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What does RDM mean?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does RDM mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well Joe, I don&#039;t know.  Than who is it if you know.  And with all due respect you weren&#039;t exactly forthright in your explanation on who &quot;cleanup&quot; was and made up a few stories of your own so that day changed a lot.  Remember &quot;Miguel&quot;?  And don&#039;t make me explain it.

So that&#039;s why i don&#039;t believe you if you say it&#039;s not an RDM person. Tell us who it is and I will take it back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Joe, I don&#8217;t know.  Than who is it if you know.  And with all due respect you weren&#8217;t exactly forthright in your explanation on who &#8220;cleanup&#8221; was and made up a few stories of your own so that day changed a lot.  Remember &#8220;Miguel&#8221;?  And don&#8217;t make me explain it.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s why i don&#8217;t believe you if you say it&#8217;s not an RDM person. Tell us who it is and I will take it back.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not an RDM person and they have more integrity than you give them credit for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not an RDM person and they have more integrity than you give them credit for.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Metsie I&#039;ll bet money that it&#039;s a RDM person, they like to do things like this here and on Twitter. The other clown that stalks me is Kramer67 and this doesn&#039;t appear to be his MO but u never know.  The follow me all over the place so I guess that&#039;s my &quot;fan club&quot; by default.  And a lousy fake moniker too.

I&#039;ll guess it&#039;s Kingman/ChestRockwell.

Oh well]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metsie I&#8217;ll bet money that it&#8217;s a RDM person, they like to do things like this here and on Twitter. The other clown that stalks me is Kramer67 and this doesn&#8217;t appear to be his MO but u never know.  The follow me all over the place so I guess that&#8217;s my &#8220;fan club&#8221; by default.  And a lousy fake moniker too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll guess it&#8217;s Kingman/ChestRockwell.</p>
<p>Oh well</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fewer appearance. Singular. 1 less appearance. You haven&#039;t shown anything that can&#039;t be explained by something like September call ups getting some work in.

In fact, in August, he had more appearances than any other month.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fewer appearance. Singular. 1 less appearance. You haven&#8217;t shown anything that can&#8217;t be explained by something like September call ups getting some work in.</p>
<p>In fact, in August, he had more appearances than any other month.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well here is someone this site could do without....and it&#039;s apparent JoeD has tried considering the attempt to hide the identity with a made up Nick meant to incite trouble....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well here is someone this site could do without&#8230;.and it&#8217;s apparent JoeD has tried considering the attempt to hide the identity with a made up Nick meant to incite trouble&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And fewer appearances...They add up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And fewer appearances&#8230;They add up!</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pitched .04 fewer innings per appearance. Whoah, that is a huge shift.

You have done nothing to show they changed how they used him, only that he pitched 5 fewer innings after the All Star Game. He remained the late inning set up guy. Every available piece of info says he maintained the same role. Did he pitch in other situations? Sure, when thye were in need of an arm or he needed work.

But, they kept him in the same place most of the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pitched .04 fewer innings per appearance. Whoah, that is a huge shift.</p>
<p>You have done nothing to show they changed how they used him, only that he pitched 5 fewer innings after the All Star Game. He remained the late inning set up guy. Every available piece of info says he maintained the same role. Did he pitch in other situations? Sure, when thye were in need of an arm or he needed work.</p>
<p>But, they kept him in the same place most of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: ifthevansrockin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ifthevansrockin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that chart is a reminder of how, for as many games as they won in 2006, the SP really was not all that good, and certainly did not pitch a lot innings.  That pen was used a ton.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that chart is a reminder of how, for as many games as they won in 2006, the SP really was not all that good, and certainly did not pitch a lot innings.  That pen was used a ton.</p>
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		<title>By: ifthevansrockin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ifthevansrockin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ideally, there is enough left in the pot to form a strong pen in AAA too, so they have reinforcements as needed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ideally, there is enough left in the pot to form a strong pen in AAA too, so they have reinforcements as needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 21:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Less innings per game....

Picked which batters he would face....
Have a point to make prvide your data....

If not your just playing the contradiction game with no evidence to back it up....

Which is all you EVER do (we all know) because your incapable of making a point on your own unless Jessup has made it for you and you can play parrot!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less innings per game&#8230;.</p>
<p>Picked which batters he would face&#8230;.<br />
Have a point to make prvide your data&#8230;.</p>
<p>If not your just playing the contradiction game with no evidence to back it up&#8230;.</p>
<p>Which is all you EVER do (we all know) because your incapable of making a point on your own unless Jessup has made it for you and you can play parrot!</p>
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