Comments on: The Bourn Debacle Was Mishandled By All Sides

By: Just-Da-Damaja

Just-Da-Damaja — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:32:38 +0000

our biggest need is a RH OF with pop…

so basically….they should’ve signed BJ Upton…or Cody Ross…or traded for Justin Upton…or signed Nick Swisher…4 moves Sandy was never even remotely close to doing…

considering that Sandy attempted to sign a LH CF with no pop, me thinks Sandy disagrees with your assesment

By: Just-Da-Damaja

Just-Da-Damaja — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:30:21 +0000

LOL

Right before Bourn signed with Cleveland…

“Jim Bowden of ESPN reports that, according to sources, if the Mets are able to reach an agreement with Bourn their pick would be protected. He adds that MLB is more concerned about protecting the teams with the worst 10 records rather than the first 10 picks of the draft.”

according to sources….

so do i take these sources as gospel?

By: Just-Da-Damaja

Just-Da-Damaja — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:22:24 +0000

Does this rival exec have a name?

or is he just another employee of another organization ….

technically, an advertising exec from the Yankees is a rival exec…

By: Just-Da-Damaja

Just-Da-Damaja — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:20:48 +0000

anyone who could’ve been a difference maker for us would’ve had more suitors…

By: What about that guy? | John Strubel

What about that guy? | John Strubel — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:07:50 +0000

[...] Online writer Connor O’Brien makes a more common sense approach, claiming the Mets suffered from “lack of preparedness.” Alderson was “too passive,” he [...]

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:32:13 +0000

That was meant for the poster above.

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:30:08 +0000

I don’t know, when we signed Bay did you have interest then?

By: Donal

Donal — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:09:59 +0000

Because none of us have the religious zeal some like to claim. We also see the big picture.

The fact is, Alderson is GM of the Mets. And while we all have moves or actions that we disagree with, we think, over all, that things are improving. Does it hurt for the short term? Absolutely. But, if the work is done right and we avoid too many disasters, the Mets wil lbe sustainable winners.

“Even in their worst years, there was always some interest generated about a particular new acquisition. Not this year.”

And that is the problem. We’ve been too content winning the December World Series and engaging the false hope. Instead of thinking “hey let’s go see that new guy we signed”, why can’t we think “let’s go see the defending champs”?

We need to be less concerned with the sizzle and be more concerned with the steak.

By: srt

srt — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:08:22 +0000

‘Again, I think the Mets largest need is a RH OF with pop and I still think that is the case regardless of Bourn.’

This.
And here’s hoping TC’s answer to that is not Turner.

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:06:42 +0000

Did you want my opinion or just to give your’s again?

Again, I think the Mets largest need is a RH OF with pop and I still think that is the case regardless of Bourn.

By: van

van — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:06:04 +0000

Well, I assume that is a dig at Nimmo, bu if you can get Von Hayes with the #11 pick, you hit the jackpot.

By: Marco

Marco — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:02:15 +0000

I don’t know how O’Brien can still support Alderson. I have been a Mets fan since 1968, and this is the first year that the Mets begin spring training with uninspiring and unexciting hopes for the coming season. Even in their worst years, there was always some interest generated about a particular new acquisition. Not this year.

By: srt

srt — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:59:44 +0000

You’d be surprised at a lot of things.

By: Alex68

Alex68 — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:58:42 +0000

So are you OK with the wright deal then? a 30 year old getting paid $20 million per for a guy who is in obvious decline and with his best years clearly behind him??? You make no sense. again, rosenthal couldn’t have said it better, for dickey we got 2 guys who can help almost immediately in comparision to a draft pick this year, also, for $12 million i’d sign up for him because he’d make us better in areas we are desperate to fill, or what, you rather him keep brining PO’ss to be giving them the opportunity to suck just to wish if he can find lightning in a bottle? Amazing… SMH

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:57:20 +0000

That should read “you have to expect that on Feb 11 he is not going to wait a few weeks”

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:56:18 +0000

You answered your own question Connor. “Why not take care of (or at least fight) that issue before it can become a problem?”

The answer was “…the Mets were reluctant to appeal the rule in the CBA that forced them to give up their pick until they had first signed Bourn, fearing that once it became public, Bourn would have more leverage and drive the price up.”

Based on reports the biggest factor that saw Bourn sign with Cleveland was finding out the grievance would not take days but rather weeks. In fairness to Bourn you have to expect that on Feb 11 he is going to wait a few weeks for a maybe even if it was a strong maybe over a sure offer now in Cleveland.

In the end the Mets was not willing to give up the pick and in my opinion more importantly the bonus money that went with it to sign Bourn. At least not if it meant they had to pay him 4 years $48M.

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:51:40 +0000

Think what you wish. That’s all you can do with rumors.

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:50:51 +0000

“TRS86 February 5, 2013 at 9:42 am
Pending the Bourn deal, I tend to agree. I don’t like it. It would have to be the perfect deal where we not only do not sacrifice the pick but also sign him at a cost that is easy to trade if needed. Otherwise, I don’t get it either.”

“TRS86 February 7, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Very well could Maniac. ANY thing over 3 years for Bourn is stretching it and anything close to 5/75 will result in Jason Bourn… oh that’s too close to the other, Michael Bay.”

“TRS86 January 29, 2013 at 10:03 am
Well I guess we are at an in-pass as usual as I wouldn’t give Bourn 5 years even if there wasn’t a draft pick attached. 5 Years for a 30 year old career .272 .339 .365 .704 hitter? No way.”

Keep in mind he basically got a 5 year deal with that easily attainable option.

TRS86 January 29, 2013 at 10:03 am
Well I guess we are at an in-pass as usual as I wouldn’t give Bourn 5 years even if there wasn’t a draft pick attached. 5 Years for a 30 year old career .272 .339 .365 .704 hitter? No way.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:47:26 +0000

Same rumor mill that said Cleveland wasn’t even interested at all….

I predicted this all last week before the report of more than just who we knew being interested, that the second we got to a point where we were moving towards protecting the pick that someome would see that we had a price we liked and GET INTERESTED!

It doesn’t take a business or psychology degree to know that if Tightwad Sandy alderson had a price he liked the price must be damn good enough to take a look and inquire…

Cleveland did and got him didn’t they?
And all they had to do was offer an option year to get Bourn to say I like the mets but I like money more!

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:39:22 +0000

Again, I think with or without Bourn the Mets largest need is a RH power hitting OF. To me signing Bourn for that amount and giving up the #11 pick just takes resources away from being able to solve the largest need. We have LH CF options, not as good as Bourn but kids that have something to prove, we have only one in house solution for RF power guy… your favorite Brown.