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		<title>By: Spring Training 2013 Edition - Page 4 - Sports Hoopla Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spring Training 2013 Edition - Page 4 - Sports Hoopla Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kurt Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bobby Bonilla...wow I remember that guy. He came to the O&#039;s and was genuinely surprised that Davey Johnson wanted him to DH.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby Bonilla&#8230;wow I remember that guy. He came to the O&#8217;s and was genuinely surprised that Davey Johnson wanted him to DH.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually I think the number was 16% as a high note which was about 2-4% more than actual Market performance (12-14%).

And those numbers were in accusations made by Picard many of which were debunked and made up by him when he did his smear campaign in the press with his buddy from the Times...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I think the number was 16% as a high note which was about 2-4% more than actual Market performance (12-14%).</p>
<p>And those numbers were in accusations made by Picard many of which were debunked and made up by him when he did his smear campaign in the press with his buddy from the Times&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good job, TC! 

Now we can call the Mets outfield the Killer B&#039;s. 

Except unlike the Houston Astros version, our Killer B&#039;s won&#039;t be killing the opposition, only the Mets&#039; future payroll flexibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job, TC! </p>
<p>Now we can call the Mets outfield the Killer B&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Except unlike the Houston Astros version, our Killer B&#8217;s won&#8217;t be killing the opposition, only the Mets&#8217; future payroll flexibility.</p>
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		<title>By: USMF</title>
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		<dc:creator>USMF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[side note...I don&#039;t know where this 18% keeps coming from...Madoff only paid out about 10-13% on the investments.   The only thing that made him odd is that he stayed in that window no matter what the market was doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>side note&#8230;I don&#8217;t know where this 18% keeps coming from&#8230;Madoff only paid out about 10-13% on the investments.   The only thing that made him odd is that he stayed in that window no matter what the market was doing.</p>
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		<title>By: tc575</title>
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		<dc:creator>tc575</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just realized.. that gives us a complete outfield!

LF Bay - ???
CF Beltran - 3.5 mil
RF Bonilla - 1.2 mil]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just realized.. that gives us a complete outfield!</p>
<p>LF Bay &#8211; ???<br />
CF Beltran &#8211; 3.5 mil<br />
RF Bonilla &#8211; 1.2 mil</p>
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		<title>By: tc575</title>
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		<dc:creator>tc575</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You forgot to mention Carlos Beltran. I&#039;m pretty sure that deferred payments to him (of 3.5 million per year) started in 2012 and will continue through 2018 (the Giants may have to pay the 2018 portion or a part of it)..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to mention Carlos Beltran. I&#8217;m pretty sure that deferred payments to him (of 3.5 million per year) started in 2012 and will continue through 2018 (the Giants may have to pay the 2018 portion or a part of it)..</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kotropoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kotropoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is offtopic, but I am looking to contact the person who designed this site. I wrote using your contact form yesterday but did not receive a reply as of today. I included my actual email in the address field and would really appreciate a reply back Thanks in advance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is offtopic, but I am looking to contact the person who designed this site. I wrote using your contact form yesterday but did not receive a reply as of today. I included my actual email in the address field and would really appreciate a reply back Thanks in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lol, look joe D, i am a frustrated mets fan. simple as that, but i am a huge baseball fan, and i am very excited for baseball to return... To quote a FORMER jet, CAN&#039;T WAIT!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol, look joe D, i am a frustrated mets fan. simple as that, but i am a huge baseball fan, and i am very excited for baseball to return&#8230; To quote a FORMER jet, CAN&#8217;T WAIT!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alex, MMO salutes you. You wrote that without the slightest hint of sarcasm. That couldn&#039;t have been easy for you. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, MMO salutes you. You wrote that without the slightest hint of sarcasm. That couldn&#8217;t have been easy for you. <img src='http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you look at these deferrments as a sort of pension fund they tend to make more sense to people....

Company contributes to your pension fund, you get a set payment from the fund and the rest can be used for other things, Other pensions, etc...etc...

In one of your examples:
&quot;If they didn’t and used the deferment as a cheap loan&quot;

This is kind of like what Enron did, instead of paying money into a pension fund they gave the fund shares of it&#039;s own stock. Essentially a loan. When the company went under so did the pension.

The Mistake the Mets made was to put all the eggs in one Madoff basket. If they had put it into a REAL and more diversified investment company they wouldn&#039;t have the issues they did and lose the fund entirely.

We are talking not very large amounts here and I&#039;m not even sure if the accounts that these deferrals was in is considered a Wilpon account and has not already got back some of the money they lost when the victims got some clawback money.

but Me personally I would rather just pay my bills and be done with it...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at these deferrments as a sort of pension fund they tend to make more sense to people&#8230;.</p>
<p>Company contributes to your pension fund, you get a set payment from the fund and the rest can be used for other things, Other pensions, etc&#8230;etc&#8230;</p>
<p>In one of your examples:<br />
&#8220;If they didn’t and used the deferment as a cheap loan&#8221;</p>
<p>This is kind of like what Enron did, instead of paying money into a pension fund they gave the fund shares of it&#8217;s own stock. Essentially a loan. When the company went under so did the pension.</p>
<p>The Mistake the Mets made was to put all the eggs in one Madoff basket. If they had put it into a REAL and more diversified investment company they wouldn&#8217;t have the issues they did and lose the fund entirely.</p>
<p>We are talking not very large amounts here and I&#8217;m not even sure if the accounts that these deferrals was in is considered a Wilpon account and has not already got back some of the money they lost when the victims got some clawback money.</p>
<p>but Me personally I would rather just pay my bills and be done with it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m looking forward to it. 
I&#039;m reading Strasburg is starting that game against Wheeler, who is starting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to it.<br />
I&#8217;m reading Strasburg is starting that game against Wheeler, who is starting.</p>
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		<title>By: METS62FAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>METS62FAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NO, THE CONCEPT REMAINS LOGICAL AS LONG AS THE CLUB EARNS MORE THAN THEY&#039;VE PROMISED TO PAY. UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAD SEKLECTED A TOTAL CROOK TO INVEST IN.
THE LAST I&#039;D HEARD ON THIS TOPIC WAS CONJECTURE THE NYM WERE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO WRIGGLE OUT FROM FULL LIABILITY AS THEY&#039;D SECURED EACH PLATER&#039;S CONCURRANCE ON THE SPECIFIC MADOFF INVESTMENT. TEAM WOULD ATTEMPT TO CLAIM THEY&#039;D PAID THE DEFERRED AMOUNT IN FULL &amp; PLACED IT INTO AN ACCOUNT EACH PLAYER HAD AGREED TO, FACT THERE WAS A CRIME, ELIMINATING SAID FUNDS SHOULD MAKE PLAYER CUILPABLE NOT NYM.
I&#039;VE YET TO READ OF ANY DISPOSITION TO THIS ARGUMENT, I CAN PRECEIVE AS GOING EITHER WAY; YET I SUSPECT PKLAYERS&#039; COUNSEL WILL DEFEAT WILPON ATTEMPTS TO SQUIRM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO, THE CONCEPT REMAINS LOGICAL AS LONG AS THE CLUB EARNS MORE THAN THEY&#8217;VE PROMISED TO PAY. UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAD SEKLECTED A TOTAL CROOK TO INVEST IN.<br />
THE LAST I&#8217;D HEARD ON THIS TOPIC WAS CONJECTURE THE NYM WERE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO WRIGGLE OUT FROM FULL LIABILITY AS THEY&#8217;D SECURED EACH PLATER&#8217;S CONCURRANCE ON THE SPECIFIC MADOFF INVESTMENT. TEAM WOULD ATTEMPT TO CLAIM THEY&#8217;D PAID THE DEFERRED AMOUNT IN FULL &amp; PLACED IT INTO AN ACCOUNT EACH PLAYER HAD AGREED TO, FACT THERE WAS A CRIME, ELIMINATING SAID FUNDS SHOULD MAKE PLAYER CUILPABLE NOT NYM.<br />
I&#8217;VE YET TO READ OF ANY DISPOSITION TO THIS ARGUMENT, I CAN PRECEIVE AS GOING EITHER WAY; YET I SUSPECT PKLAYERS&#8217; COUNSEL WILL DEFEAT WILPON ATTEMPTS TO SQUIRM.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those awho are interested:

Mets fans your first LIVE look at Zack Wheeler Saturday on SNY 12pm! Gary, Keith, Ron and KB]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those awho are interested:</p>
<p>Mets fans your first LIVE look at Zack Wheeler Saturday on SNY 12pm! Gary, Keith, Ron and KB</p>
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		<title>By: Perseus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perseus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Bay and Bonilla are the answer, I don&#039;t want to know the question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bay and Bonilla are the answer, I don&#8217;t want to know the question.</p>
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		<title>By: SaltyGary</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaltyGary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not exactly true, but I am not in favor of all these deferments. 

For the Bonilla and Saberhagen ones, if you take the deferred money and just drop it in one of the Madoff accounts. Based on the prospectus they would be making money every year. What was not smart was having the term so long, and also being dim enough to believe the consistent returns they were getting. 

For Santana, it&#039;s a great business move for both sides. Santana gets a longer termed contract with a small interest payout. For the Mets they make a lot of money by banking the money because they are getting more back from interest then what is paid out to Santana. 

This is where the issue is. If the Mets banked the Santana money then it&#039;s a great move. If they didn&#039;t and used the deferment as a cheap loan, it just adds more liabilities to a portfolio of liabilities. 

We don&#039;t know how much interest is paid out on Wrights deferment yet. Bay is a different beast. We all just wanted him off the team and a 3 year deferment of those dollars is really no big deal, is it was extended longer then that will the others would be a bigger problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly true, but I am not in favor of all these deferments. </p>
<p>For the Bonilla and Saberhagen ones, if you take the deferred money and just drop it in one of the Madoff accounts. Based on the prospectus they would be making money every year. What was not smart was having the term so long, and also being dim enough to believe the consistent returns they were getting. </p>
<p>For Santana, it&#8217;s a great business move for both sides. Santana gets a longer termed contract with a small interest payout. For the Mets they make a lot of money by banking the money because they are getting more back from interest then what is paid out to Santana. </p>
<p>This is where the issue is. If the Mets banked the Santana money then it&#8217;s a great move. If they didn&#8217;t and used the deferment as a cheap loan, it just adds more liabilities to a portfolio of liabilities. </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know how much interest is paid out on Wrights deferment yet. Bay is a different beast. We all just wanted him off the team and a 3 year deferment of those dollars is really no big deal, is it was extended longer then that will the others would be a bigger problem.</p>
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		<title>By: CThomp519</title>
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		<dc:creator>CThomp519</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I simply don&#039;t understand why any team would make such deals.  You can&#039;t blame Madoff because AFTER Madoff the Mets did the same thing with Bay and Wright...just this off season.  

So, basically every year you can add 5-10 million to the payroll just for deferred payments.  I guess if you defer something from all of the big contracts, it kind of evens out in the present.  Defer 5 million from Wright, but pay 5 million to these other three guys and presently it&#039;s the same payout.  

I guess that&#039;s the logic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I simply don&#8217;t understand why any team would make such deals.  You can&#8217;t blame Madoff because AFTER Madoff the Mets did the same thing with Bay and Wright&#8230;just this off season.  </p>
<p>So, basically every year you can add 5-10 million to the payroll just for deferred payments.  I guess if you defer something from all of the big contracts, it kind of evens out in the present.  Defer 5 million from Wright, but pay 5 million to these other three guys and presently it&#8217;s the same payout.  </p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s the logic.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are absolutely right, Salty. Shame on me for not catching that when I proofed this for John. I will make the necessary edit. Thanks for pointing it out. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely right, Salty. Shame on me for not catching that when I proofed this for John. I will make the necessary edit. Thanks for pointing it out. <img src='http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SaltyGary</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaltyGary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/national-league/new-york-mets/]]></description>
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		<title>By: SaltyGary</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaltyGary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually there is deferred money on Santana&#039;s contract. 

$5M deferred annually at 1.25% compound interest (payable June 30 seven years after season in which salary was earned), reducing present-day value of package to $123.1M]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually there is deferred money on Santana&#8217;s contract. </p>
<p>$5M deferred annually at 1.25% compound interest (payable June 30 seven years after season in which salary was earned), reducing present-day value of package to $123.1M</p>
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