I never bashed Piazza for taking whatever he took either.

I think he was the 2nd best Catcher from 94-2002…an 8 year span….all due to his hitting skill

there is no shame in that, the only people who are getting upset are the idealogues, who want to believe that Piazza was the best catcher and if he wasnt, the only reason was b/c Pudge was on stronger PED’s than him. Because it as the PED’s that groomed the Florida Marlins staff…the Detroit Tigers staff, the Nationals staff and Wilson Ramos.

the fact is…the difference between Pudge and Piazza on defense was much larger than Pudge and Piazza on offense.

this is again like saying Dominique Wilkins was better than Magic Johnson because he scored more points.

Magic and Nique were the same height, played the same position, but Magic was a much more well-rounded player. It doesnt mean they are not both HOF caliber players. but Magic’s versatility and leadership put him on another level than Nique. I feel the same about Piazza.

Awesome 1-dimensional player

Some players don’t like Jeter either. He’s not the most outgoing dude. He’s not much of a leader either. And many say he’s a poor fielder who engages in flashy plays just for show. Does it really matter when it comes to honors or accolades? No. The only thing that matters is what he does or doesn’t do at the plate and in terms of standard fielding. Unless he cheated with steroids, of course.

Pudge cheated with steroids. The hard stuff. His career is a mirage.

So, actually Piazza never did anything that was ever banned specifically by baseball. Pudge did with a lot of heavy banned stuff. Big difference. Don’t try to make them out to be the same in terms of banned substances.

As for a player not liking another player, puhleeeeze. If that were a criteria for the HOF or any other baseball honors, no one could ever be honored. Brett Butler is a nobody anyway., Oh, and Pudge was criticized for selfish poor game calling during his Texas days.

Piazza is better. Pudge is a fraud.

No coincidence right?

yeah ok lol

But Piazza did them so its legalized?

Can Piazza do a bag of ganga and just reverse drug laws in every state?

NO?

ok so it was still illegal…

and the fact that Brett Butler, somone who never got himself involved in controversy and was an upstanding citizen blasted Piazza is very telling.

15 years later, Piazza confirmed everything Butler called him.

AGAIN, Piazza said he was self-centered, too wrapped up in himself, and a bad team-mate.

Where is the praise from the San Diego pitching staff for Piazza? How about Oakland? Hell…how about the Dodgers….?

Nada…Nothing…Zippo….Piazza was the best HITTING catcher, not the best CATCHER.

Best Catcher is up for debate…and Pudge usually is in the top 3…Piazza usually gets mentioned in the top 10.

Only met fans put him anything higher than 5
___________________________________________________________________________MY RESPONSES ARE REKLATIVEKLY SIMPLE… AS Rre. GREENIES. MANY SOURCES HAVE REPORTED THAT THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF ASSISTANCE WAS MOST CEWRTAINLY A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD SINCE NEARLY EVERY CLUB CHOSE TO HEIGHTEN THEIR PLAYER’ ENERGY LEVELS THROUGH “APPLIED SCIENCE” WHERE AS SOME DESCRIBE IT, AN ENTIRE BOWL OF ‘GREENIES’ WAS PLACED NEAR THE CLUBHOUSE EXIT TO THE PLAYING FIELD. DOES THIS MAKE IT LEGAL? NO. BUT IT CERTAINLY SHOPULD QUALIFY THE INDULGENCE AS NOT AN INDIVIDUAL ACT OR CHOICE; CERTAINLY MORE A LEVEL OF GROUP THINK.

SIMILARLY I’M RELATIVLY CERTAIN VERY FEW EMPLOYEES DURING PROHIBITION REFUSED A BOSSES INVITE TO A SPEAKEASY BY AYING SOMETHING LIKE, “SORRY BOSS, I CAN’T BECAUSE IT’S ILLEGAL”

ALSO A QUALIFICATION FOR THE HOF TYPICALLY ISN’T WHETHER THE CANDIDATE WAS “AMONG THE BEST @ HIS DUTIES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE GAME”; BUT TYPICALLY IF THEY ARE OR ARE AMONG THE VERY BEST DURING THEIR GENERATION. IN THE CASE OF PUIAZZA YOU WOULD BE HASRD PRESSED TO IDENTIFY A TOTALLY SUPERIOR CATCHER TO HIM DURING HIS PLAYING DAYS. FOR MERELY 1 SEASON POSSBLY; BUT FROM HIS DEBUT DATE T ETIREMENT DATE; UNLIKELY. THA SAID TODD HUNDLEY’S 1 SEAson of out homering big muike doesn’t count despite hundley’s superior defensive skils at the dish.
BE CAREFUL, DA, I AM CEWRTAINLY NOT A PIAZZA IDEOLOGUE AS I’VE A DIFFICULT TIME IN CONSIDERING HIM A MET & NOT A DODGER.
I’M LIKELY ONE OF THE VERY FEW TO POINT OUT HIS RATHER INEPTNESS IN COORDINATING WHAT ALWAY APPEARED TO BE HIS 2 LEFT FEET,. AS HIS FOOTWORK WAS A DRAMATI DETRIMENT TO HIS CATCHING SKILLS WHILE AS A HITTER HE NEEDED TO IMMOBILIZE HIS FEET AS A PURE ‘ARM” HITTER
NO WONDER HE WAS A MISERABLE 1B OPTION. HE WAS DENEGRATED IN TYHE DRAFT AS HE WAS THEN CONSIDERED A FIRST BASEMAN & DIDN’T EXCEL OVERALL UNTIL LA TAUGHT HIM TO CATCH IN THE MINORS OUT OF DESPERATION TO AVOID CUTTING HIM AS A FIRST BASEMAN.
BE THAT AS IT MAY, I STAND BEHIND MY EVAUATION OF PIAZZA AS THE POSTER REPRESENTATIVE FOR CATCHING IN THE LATE 80s & THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE 90s.

illegal = not legal

not legal = illegal

Piazza took greenies

Piazza took illegal drugs

and there are dozens of articles now that point to their effect on batters…and since MLB enforced a ban on an ILLEGAL DRUG in 2006…HR stats have shrunk considerably

but hey, whatever helps u get through the day

but someone said it about Piazza…..( and Piazza confirmed it in his book ) sooo….its not that big of a deal !

( cues Rocky Balboa theme song )

sweet jesus u guys are hard-headed…Piazza could confess to being Nicole Simpson’s killer and you would still shake your head, put ur fingers in ur ear and say NO NO NO

Peoples opinions of a guy behind closed doors should have nothing to do with one guys accomplishments.

he served his country, was the (2nd) best player in his era and he got to marry Marilyn Monroe….but from what i hear, he was an a-hole to the next generation and was really bitter..

No but seriously, my top 5 favorite athletes of all time are Roberto Clemente, Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Johnny Mac ( tennis ) and Ali

Not sure where u get Joe D from

But Piazza did them so its legalized?

Can Piazza do a bag of ganga and just reverse drug laws in every state?

NO?

ok so it was still illegal…

and the fact that Brett Butler, somone who never got himself involved in controversy and was an upstanding citizen blasted Piazza is very telling.

15 years later, Piazza confirmed everything Butler called him.

AGAIN, Piazza said he was self-centered, too wrapped up in himself, and a bad team-mate.

Where is the praise from the San Diego pitching staff for Piazza? How about Oakland? Hell…how about the Dodgers….?

Nada…Nothing…Zippo….Piazza was the best HITTING catcher, not the best CATCHER.

Best Catcher is up for debate…and Pudge usually is in the top 3…Piazza usually gets mentioned in the top 10.

Only met fans put him anything higher than 5

I’ve never seen someone with such a weak grasp of the facts as you. And instead of simply avoiding things you don’t know, you just make them up!

And, LOL, what does it matter if a certain player didn’t like Piazza. Ask Mota what he thinks of Piazza! Does anyone care? Nope.

Piazza was better than Pudge. Pudge was a fraud. Like A-Roid.

Thanks-Leslie

and Brett Butler + Mike Piazza thought that Piazza was a selfish, self-centered, bad teammate.

Pudge was better