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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 02:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The guy s jerk]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guy s jerk</p>
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		<title>By: sarge69</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarge69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Tampa&#039;s approach considering their budget.

There are not enough fans at games to make worrying over Maddon&#039;s job relevant.

Until Tampa leaves the distant planet of St. Petersburg/gets new stadium new revenue will not appear and the Mayor of St. Pete is against helping in this regard.

With all of their success Tampa still does not have a &quot;legacy&quot; to say this is what we are like going forward though.

Is making the playoffs, World Series once, enough for Met fans considering how long the current &quot;philosophy&quot; will take.

Until I see this FO actually get aggressive in FA/Trade mkt then I will not heap kudos on the &quot;philosophy&quot; going forward.

You can&#039;t win with just draft picks/prospects coming to majors, you need veteran leadership and an essential piece here and there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Tampa&#8217;s approach considering their budget.</p>
<p>There are not enough fans at games to make worrying over Maddon&#8217;s job relevant.</p>
<p>Until Tampa leaves the distant planet of St. Petersburg/gets new stadium new revenue will not appear and the Mayor of St. Pete is against helping in this regard.</p>
<p>With all of their success Tampa still does not have a &#8220;legacy&#8221; to say this is what we are like going forward though.</p>
<p>Is making the playoffs, World Series once, enough for Met fans considering how long the current &#8220;philosophy&#8221; will take.</p>
<p>Until I see this FO actually get aggressive in FA/Trade mkt then I will not heap kudos on the &#8220;philosophy&#8221; going forward.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t win with just draft picks/prospects coming to majors, you need veteran leadership and an essential piece here and there.</p>
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		<title>By: DrDooby</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrDooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fun fact,  over the past 5 June drafts ( since 2008) the Rays have graduated zero players to the majors. The Mets over the same span have graduated 4 players (Ike, Nieuwenhuis, Harvey and Edgin).

So with all due respect to the Rays and their front office, it&#039;s not as if their recent draft record is anything special.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun fact,  over the past 5 June drafts ( since 2008) the Rays have graduated zero players to the majors. The Mets over the same span have graduated 4 players (Ike, Nieuwenhuis, Harvey and Edgin).</p>
<p>So with all due respect to the Rays and their front office, it&#8217;s not as if their recent draft record is anything special.</p>
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		<title>By: van</title>
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		<dc:creator>van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well, there is the smoking gun.  I expect we will now be seeing Donal get the apology he deserves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, there is the smoking gun.  I expect we will now be seeing Donal get the apology he deserves.</p>
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		<title>By: taskmaster4450</title>
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		<dc:creator>taskmaster4450</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True at the top end.  But what about the Matt Latos? Albert Pujols? Hell even McCtuchen at the heralded 11th pick.

And the guys I mentioned werent all high picks outside of Doc and Straw.  There was a wealth of talent that came to the majors under Cashen (albeit some was traded).  Regardless, he was able to get guys to the major league level, something the Mets have done a poor job of the last couple decades.

By the way, the drafting and developing of players is becoming even more important since the FA pools are drying up.  Look at all the players who signed extensions before they hit FA in the last couple years.  Guys like Wright, Votto, Hamels, and Cain will not see FA when they were expected.  Now there is talk that Cano is in negotiations with the Yankees on an extension.  Suddenly the FA pool&#039;s talent is diminished.  Impact players are going to have to come from elsewhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True at the top end.  But what about the Matt Latos? Albert Pujols? Hell even McCtuchen at the heralded 11th pick.</p>
<p>And the guys I mentioned werent all high picks outside of Doc and Straw.  There was a wealth of talent that came to the majors under Cashen (albeit some was traded).  Regardless, he was able to get guys to the major league level, something the Mets have done a poor job of the last couple decades.</p>
<p>By the way, the drafting and developing of players is becoming even more important since the FA pools are drying up.  Look at all the players who signed extensions before they hit FA in the last couple years.  Guys like Wright, Votto, Hamels, and Cain will not see FA when they were expected.  Now there is talk that Cano is in negotiations with the Yankees on an extension.  Suddenly the FA pool&#8217;s talent is diminished.  Impact players are going to have to come from elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: jessep</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree - they seem the most open to different ideas and a lot of it is shown with their support of Maddon. You know if Maddon were our manager, fans would have wanted him fired for some of the things he tries over there. But he&#039;s the best manager in the game in my book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; they seem the most open to different ideas and a lot of it is shown with their support of Maddon. You know if Maddon were our manager, fans would have wanted him fired for some of the things he tries over there. But he&#8217;s the best manager in the game in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. That is an amazing idea. I mean, at the least, they would consistently draw more fans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. That is an amazing idea. I mean, at the least, they would consistently draw more fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would give anything to have the Rays entire current brain trust (arguably best in baseball) and owner (who grew up a Mets fan and might still have season tickets).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would give anything to have the Rays entire current brain trust (arguably best in baseball) and owner (who grew up a Mets fan and might still have season tickets).</p>
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		<title>By: jessep</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alex, I&#039;m telling you man. Read that book. It will give you a different view of their franchise other than being terrible and drafting high. 

When Tampa made it to the World Series, David Price was a mid September call up. 

You&#039;re right though, Longoria, Upton, and Crawford were early picks. But there was way more to that pennant winning team than those 3 players

they acquired Dionar Navarro via trade
they signed Carlos Pena as a free agent
they purchased Iwamura from Japan
They traded for Bartlett when they sent Delmon Young packing
In that same deal they acquired Matt Garza
They acquired Zobrist from Houston for Aubrey Huff
James shields was a 16th rounder
They acquired Edwin Jackson from LAD
They signed Percival 
They acquired JP Howell via trade from KC]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, I&#8217;m telling you man. Read that book. It will give you a different view of their franchise other than being terrible and drafting high. </p>
<p>When Tampa made it to the World Series, David Price was a mid September call up. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right though, Longoria, Upton, and Crawford were early picks. But there was way more to that pennant winning team than those 3 players</p>
<p>they acquired Dionar Navarro via trade<br />
they signed Carlos Pena as a free agent<br />
they purchased Iwamura from Japan<br />
They traded for Bartlett when they sent Delmon Young packing<br />
In that same deal they acquired Matt Garza<br />
They acquired Zobrist from Houston for Aubrey Huff<br />
James shields was a 16th rounder<br />
They acquired Edwin Jackson from LAD<br />
They signed Percival<br />
They acquired JP Howell via trade from KC</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t think 10 consecutive years with a top 10 Overall pick has more to do with that than thier staff does?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t think 10 consecutive years with a top 10 Overall pick has more to do with that than thier staff does?</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good article but not sure i agree with your assertion of Gooden, Straw and company being an example of good development. These two plus the others were extremely talernted but fell short in the character develpment and ultimately had good but not great careers. Some of that was due to being rushed by the organization. There Mets ability to draft them  them was purely due the the team having high picks due to their poor performance. It is no surprise that the Rays don&#039;t have any longorias or Prices on the way given they don&#039;t draft 1st anymore. It is certainly a combo of drafting the right guy and developing them but where you draft has a lot more to do with getting a Steven Strassburg or David Price vs. a Mike Pelprey.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article but not sure i agree with your assertion of Gooden, Straw and company being an example of good development. These two plus the others were extremely talernted but fell short in the character develpment and ultimately had good but not great careers. Some of that was due to being rushed by the organization. There Mets ability to draft them  them was purely due the the team having high picks due to their poor performance. It is no surprise that the Rays don&#8217;t have any longorias or Prices on the way given they don&#8217;t draft 1st anymore. It is certainly a combo of drafting the right guy and developing them but where you draft has a lot more to do with getting a Steven Strassburg or David Price vs. a Mike Pelprey.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, despite your nasty insults, I&#039;ll say this:

I already addressed the fact that an organizational philosophy and a one size fits all approach are 2 different things. Yes, a philosophy can turn into a one size fits all approach, but they are not the same thing.

So, congrats to you for just reiterating what I&#039;ve said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, despite your nasty insults, I&#8217;ll say this:</p>
<p>I already addressed the fact that an organizational philosophy and a one size fits all approach are 2 different things. Yes, a philosophy can turn into a one size fits all approach, but they are not the same thing.</p>
<p>So, congrats to you for just reiterating what I&#8217;ve said.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look at the link MNJ posted]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the link MNJ posted</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Yesterday, we wrapped up two days of meetings in Port St. Lucie where we went over organizational philosophy and how to implement it throughout the major and minor leagues&quot;
http://metsblog.com/metsblog/e-mail-from-sandy-alderson-about-organizational-philosophy/

organizational philosophy/one size fits all.   Normal people know what we are talking about. On the other hand you&#039;re a slime ball who sucks just like your significant other jessep.  You&#039;re  a slime ball who uses the strength of the internet to twist words, take out of context, play word games, etc.  People like you get shot down in 2 seconds in real life/real time.

Another subject that is now DONE.  The jackass refused to answer the question because he tried to pass of his opinions as facts and can not provide any links to support these 2 comments.


Here&#039;s my original comment:
 Bayonne Mets Fan February 13, 2013 at 10:47 am

“So, the fact that everyone involved with player development says it doesn’t work like that”

Show a link where a Mets source with player development showed that dissenting point of view.

“the fact that players do seem to be going at their own pace”

How do YOU know that? How can that last statement be anything other than just your opinion?


This jackass parrot made those 2 comments, I asked him to back them up.
And he cannot.

This thread is now done.  Kudos to Bayonne, again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yesterday, we wrapped up two days of meetings in Port St. Lucie where we went over organizational philosophy and how to implement it throughout the major and minor leagues&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://metsblog.com/metsblog/e-mail-from-sandy-alderson-about-organizational-philosophy/" rel="nofollow">http://metsblog.com/metsblog/e-mail-from-sandy-alderson-about-organizational-philosophy/</a></p>
<p>organizational philosophy/one size fits all.   Normal people know what we are talking about. On the other hand you&#8217;re a slime ball who sucks just like your significant other jessep.  You&#8217;re  a slime ball who uses the strength of the internet to twist words, take out of context, play word games, etc.  People like you get shot down in 2 seconds in real life/real time.</p>
<p>Another subject that is now DONE.  The jackass refused to answer the question because he tried to pass of his opinions as facts and can not provide any links to support these 2 comments.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my original comment:<br />
 Bayonne Mets Fan February 13, 2013 at 10:47 am</p>
<p>“So, the fact that everyone involved with player development says it doesn’t work like that”</p>
<p>Show a link where a Mets source with player development showed that dissenting point of view.</p>
<p>“the fact that players do seem to be going at their own pace”</p>
<p>How do YOU know that? How can that last statement be anything other than just your opinion?</p>
<p>This jackass parrot made those 2 comments, I asked him to back them up.<br />
And he cannot.</p>
<p>This thread is now done.  Kudos to Bayonne, again.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just answer my question.  You ducked it simple as that.  Those were your opinions you tried to pass off as fact.


ANSWER THE QUESTION.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just answer my question.  You ducked it simple as that.  Those were your opinions you tried to pass off as fact.</p>
<p>ANSWER THE QUESTION.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, you and K MAxx and others have asserted such a philosophy exists while never actually proving it.

I find it funny you demanding proof of someone when I&#039;ve asked you multiple times to back up your assertions only to be met with insults and hand waving.

&quot;Alderson has referred to his organizational philosophy many times and once when addressing Valdespin on TV said “That’s not how we do things around here” regarding his approach. &quot;

Linky? No, you don&#039;t have one. Even if there is one, it is beyond you to provide it. I expect some other fraud to come in with a tangentially related video and screaming &quot;AHA!&quot; at something that doesn&#039;t prove you right. But, you won&#039;t actually do the work.There is a difference between an organizational philosophy and a one size fits all approach. 

There is a difference between &quot;We stress this quality in our organization&quot; and &quot;everyone must be this exact type of player&quot;.

&quot;Answer the question.&quot;

MNJ already did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, you and K MAxx and others have asserted such a philosophy exists while never actually proving it.</p>
<p>I find it funny you demanding proof of someone when I&#8217;ve asked you multiple times to back up your assertions only to be met with insults and hand waving.</p>
<p>&#8220;Alderson has referred to his organizational philosophy many times and once when addressing Valdespin on TV said “That’s not how we do things around here” regarding his approach. &#8221;</p>
<p>Linky? No, you don&#8217;t have one. Even if there is one, it is beyond you to provide it. I expect some other fraud to come in with a tangentially related video and screaming &#8220;AHA!&#8221; at something that doesn&#8217;t prove you right. But, you won&#8217;t actually do the work.There is a difference between an organizational philosophy and a one size fits all approach. </p>
<p>There is a difference between &#8220;We stress this quality in our organization&#8221; and &#8220;everyone must be this exact type of player&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Answer the question.&#8221;</p>
<p>MNJ already did.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You answer my question first.   That&#039;s how it works and if you are going to play games the readership will see it, jackass.

Alderson has referred to his organizational philosophy many times and once when addressing Valdespin on TV said &quot;That&#039;s not how we do things around here&quot; regarding his approach.  


Answer the question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You answer my question first.   That&#8217;s how it works and if you are going to play games the readership will see it, jackass.</p>
<p>Alderson has referred to his organizational philosophy many times and once when addressing Valdespin on TV said &#8220;That&#8217;s not how we do things around here&#8221; regarding his approach.  </p>
<p>Answer the question.</p>
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		<title>By: TX</title>
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		<dc:creator>TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Tampa could only move to Puerto Rico, they would clean up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Tampa could only move to Puerto Rico, they would clean up.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is 2 years, not 10. In case you didn&#039;t know, 2 is less than 10.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is 2 years, not 10. In case you didn&#8217;t know, 2 is less than 10.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Show me a source of someone in player development saying that there is a one size fits all approach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Show me a source of someone in player development saying that there is a one size fits all approach.</p>
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