Comments on: Mets Have The Most Promising Crop Of Right-Handed Pitching Prospects In Baseball

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Fri, 01 Mar 2013 16:11:43 +0000

VAN, WHAT CERTAINLY DIFFERENTIATES THIS PITCHING CROP FROM THE ONCE AWESOME EXPECTATIONS SURROUNDING “GEN-K” IS THE SHEER DEPTH, THUS I’D CAUTION TOO MUCH, OR TOO FRIVOLOUS HERD REDUCTION AS CONFUCOUS, AMONG OTHERS MUST HAVE CAUTIONED, “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TOO MUCH PITCHING!”

MOST LIKELY IT WAS CHARLIE CHAN NOT CONFUCOUS;BUT THE POINT IS SURELY VALID JUST SEE HOW FEW PITCHING PROMISES ARE DEALT BY ATL OR STL OVER THE PAST YEARS IS THERE ANY OTHER RATIONALE FOR THEUIR SURVIVING THE RASH OF KEY PITCHING LOSSES SO APTLY?

By: DrDooby

DrDooby — Fri, 01 Mar 2013 06:07:56 +0000

The Opening Day 2013 St.Lucie rotation should be:
Syndergaard
Fulmer
Tapia
Mateo
Robles
Pantaleodis
with Montero, DeGrom, Verrett and Pill all heading to Binghamton.
All of these pitchers have above average control. Most of them also have pretty good to very good stuff. None will be a factor in 2013 at the major league level. But each should be able to advance quickly if the stuff plays. Because “command” issues don´t figure to hold them back for long. Each of them should open 2014 in Double A ball or even higher if not injured.
Once you prove you can handle that jump, you´re not that far away from the majors.
So realistically, beginning in the 2nd half of 2014 these pitchers should start reaching the majors. Some faster, some slower, some not at all.
Realistically, each of them is a candidate for the 2015 opening day roster if they progress as planned.

However, odds are, some of them will be used as trade bait before. Still, the trade value for some of them will be significantly higher than it is today a year from now, being much closer. The value for others will be lower due to likely attrition.

Obviously, not everyone of them will make it. Some will blow out arms, some will end up in the bullpen (which the Mets can always use), but I like the odds that some become legit major league SP or legit trade bait.

By: Mets Faithful

Mets Faithful — Fri, 01 Mar 2013 00:27:45 +0000

I think some people are still a bit scared to trade top pitching prospects because they are having Victor Zambrano flashbacks!!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:30:01 +0000

It’s good to have a lot of Pitching…But the timing of when it arrives is almost as important as the having if you want it to translate into success….

Gooden, Darling, Aguilera and Fernandez all arrived within a year of each other.
Thats 4/5th of your rotation….And with all those hard throwers it made it easy to fill that 5th spot (3rd in the rotation) with a Finesse pitcher like Ojeda who are never that high in demand to complement all those power arms.

If we take the overly optimistic assumption that all these guys being touted will spend a year at each level then get promoted the earliest you will see them is 3 Years from now.

2017 where Niese will be making 9 Mil in his walk year if they don’t take the 10 or 11 Mil options. Gee will be FA, Harvey will be in his first year of Arb, Wheeler in 2018. Things get pretty pricey once Arb starts. Davis, Tejada, Baxter will also be FA that year. Lot of money increases!

In the meantime 2014 will see Santana and Marcum go.
2016 Parnell and Murphy are FA

By the time these pitchers get here Most of the CORE we say we have been building around will be FA, not all that cheap due to Arb, or Outright Gone!

And that hasn’t even touched on what it might take to get an OF, and Stabilize the Pen (francisco is gone at the end of the year).

Yes it is good we have a lot of Power RH arms in the farm…(I would prefer to have a few Leftes as well) But when I look at the complextion of the possible roster in the year they are ready it will be just a bit too late to have a payoff.

Save Rushing them or trading them I don’t see how they can play a role in any MET success and if they do it won’t last long because the timing isn’t correct for a long term sustenance of our CORE.

Best hope is to get them to AA, Pray like hell they succeed and impress so we can use them to get the Stantons and Uptons everyone seems to love to trade a farm for and make the 2015-2017 years the years the rebuild pays off. Then you might get a Niese and Davis to resign for a discount to continue playing with thier fellow Ring Bearers….For slightly less than extortionate prices.

By: 3doza33

3doza33 — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:09:12 +0000

Our near future is finally looking bright! Can’t wait for the milb season to get started! The best part is that tge Yankees are on their way down and fast! They are old, hurt, Have an enormous payroll and a weak minor league system! Life is good!

By: Dave In Spain

Dave In Spain — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:02:01 +0000

What encourages me is that in past years we had few or no pitchers who had the combination of stuff and control that we have this year. I don´t give much credit to Kingsport or Brooklyn, but I start paying attention at Savannah and up. Most of these prospects were age-appropriate or young for their levels, and many had very good K/BB ratios. In previous years I´ve complained about the K rate or K/BB rates, but not this year. This gives me hope.

By: taskmaster4450

taskmaster4450 — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:51:07 +0000

I agree with the assessments of most who posted. It is a numbers game, not all will make it, and it is purely conjecture at this point what the Mets have. However, a farm system full of good young arms is much better than one without. It will be a telling year since many of the names mentioned will see AA and that most likely will thin out the herd a bit. At the same time, those who do perform will have more value.

Now to get some everyday players who are thought of equally as highly.

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:38:20 +0000

Right again. But people here think you just take 3 or 4 minor leaguers and bring back a good major league outfielder like there’s nothing to it. When he got here there was nothing but Harvey with any real value. Only now is the farm starting to develope some valuable trade chips and that’s still not a foregone conclusion just yet. If the arms on the farm perform like last year then we have more chips to play with along with more flexibility.

By: CThomp519

CThomp519 — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:34:36 +0000

It’s reasonable to me, that in one year, half of these guys might be in AA. One might be in AAA, and some still at the high A level. There’s no escaping the fact that next off season the Mets might have 5 or 6 pitchers in mlb’s top 100 and that doesn’t include the 2013 draft.

One more year of development will give Sandy a lot of options next off season.

By: Peter

Peter — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:33:58 +0000

Yes only time will tell but when I read these articles all I get is the Mets are counting on all these pitchers, fact is not all of them will make it which is why you need depth which the Mets clearly have right now, and it figures to get deeper. The generation K comparisons are a little ridiculous be aide we where talking about 3 prospects and one of them actually ended up with 300 career saves, so 2 did not pan out. The main thing here is that the point of building up the farm and having depth is to be able to trade and or control these guys. Enough depth can help you trade for a young power hitter that you can lock up through their primes and not their 30s, or gives you financial flexibility and player control with the rotation. They are not just hopeful prospects, they are like ciggarettes in jail, even if Syndergaurd does not throw a pitch for the Mets, if he gets us Stanton his value will be felt. You guys should start adding that in your articles instead of making it sound like we depend on all of these young kids to make it to the show.

By: JetsMets13

JetsMets13 — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:27:53 +0000

Wow, well done Mitch!!!

By: CThomp519

CThomp519 — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:27:45 +0000

Don’t forget Jacob DeGrom, yet another awesome power righty.

By: van

van — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:27:07 +0000

I think it ties into Sandy’s comments (of course, you always have to read behind the lines there!)

If AZ said wheeler for Upton, no trade.

But if they had said Fulmer for Upton, it would have gotten done.

THat IMO is what he meant about having trade chips but the value not meshing in potential deals.

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:20:49 +0000

“Needing these guys to graduate (and perform) at AA IMO is a big reason why there was not a big trade made this off season. The arms that will be attractive will bring back a lot more if they can perform the same at the next year. basically, pull a Wheeler”

Exactly Van! Good luck trying to get that point across around here.

By: van

van — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:13:08 +0000

Needing these guys to graduate (and perform) at AA IMO is a big reason why there was not a big trade made this off season. The arms that will be attractive will bring back a lot more if they can perform the same at the next year. basically, pull a Wheeler.

Say that Montero, Fulmer and Synderblock all dominate PSL and get bumped up to AA, and keep on rolling. Suddenly at the end of the year, you could end up with more than 1 guy attracting the attention Wheeler got (or close to it), making it a whole lot easier to cut some from the herd for a good player back.

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:44:42 +0000

“On paper, these guys look great. Heck, at single-A these guys look great. But let’s wait and see what happens against more polished hitters in the upper levels.”

Agreed.

By: Matt Balasis

Matt Balasis — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:41:56 +0000

They seem pretty durable too, not a lot of DL minutes on those A-ball arms.