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Mets Attendance Expected To Decline, It Still Comes Down To The Product On The Field
An article by 
Josh Kosman of the NY Post is reporting that the Mets won’t have much money to play with this season and are expecting to lose more than $10 million this year as well as suffering a fifth straight year of declining attendance.
“There is little room this year to raise salaries,” said a source familiar with the team’s finances told the Post.
“While attendance is expected to be down,” Kosman writes. “The team is banking on a small uptick in gate proceeds in its second season of so-called dynamic pricing, which allows ticket prices to be adjusted on the fly based on supply and demand.”
As I’ve said repeatedly and will say again, unless the product on the field improves, fans will continue to stay away. People don’t flock to ballparks and lay out a hundred bucks a game just because a team’s farm system ranks in the top ten. What matters most is wins and the players they pay to see.
As I’ve preached for the last two years, it looks like payroll will in fact be around $80 million in 2013 counting dollars that are actually being paid out. In July of 2011, many of my readers were aghast at that projection and yet here we are.
Next season, the Mets will have about $30 million in payroll commitments, give or take a few. Does anyone really expect Sandy Alderson to go out on a $70 million dollar spending spree? I don’t.
Read Kosman’s full article in the New York Post here.
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Shouldn’t have signed wright… That’s $20 million next year for a guy who’s not worth it. But hey, for financial purposes the mets had to sign him right? Well, according to reports, fans won’t tune out to see him live so… guess they too wanna see wins instead of dimples on the field.
You are right he is getting paid 20M next year. Of course his salary only averages 17.25 but what’s a million or 2 among friends?
Actually he is getting $11M next year which is $5M less than he was due under his old contract.
But than again, facts mean nothing to some people.
Signing Wright, one could argue hurts the Mets in the long term, but in the short term, it actually helped (from a cash flow perspective).
but in the short term, it actually helped (from a cash flow perspective).”
Ok, task, read again the title of the article: “Mets Attendance Expected To Decline, It Still Comes Down To The Product On The Field”
So, how signing him helps in the short term if fans are still not gonna show up? He’s not a difference maker nor a guy people will pay to go see…. Enough already jeez…….
Where in the article does it mention anything about David Wright or people being willing to pay to see him play. Short answer, it doesn’t. You just inserted that.
For all you know the only reason many people are paying to see the Mets this year is to see Wright.
Hi Boomer,
It’s not that even one more fan is going come because of David Wright, it’s more about adding more to the negative mindset about this organization if they didn’t which would only result in an even further escalatation of that decline in attendance.
There goes the rosey money picture for 2014?
Joey
Agreed. I wouldn’t be surprised to see attendance drop of a fraction as the article suggests but I also wouldn’t be surprised to see it rise a fraction if some of the kids play well, particularly the young pitchers. But we had to keep some continuity or the team would have seem even more significant deterioration in the attendance.
I admit, I look at this differently than many fans. I’m a Met fan for life and I accept that there will be some rebuilding years to go along with the years we make a run for the title. But I am very interested to see what some of these young arms bring to the team this year and what we have to build on going forward. I’ll be watching.
Alex how could you forget that Daviw Wright deferred his money so that the Mets could go out and get Upton… I mean Soriano… I mean Pagan… I mean Dempster… I mean Hunter… I mean Ross… I mean Span… I mean Bourn… Oh never mind.
Hell they didn’t even get Hairston! LOL
IDK, ask the marlins owner..
Alex68, you still have a fixation on Wright’s dimples!
Some of us wonder about you.
Keep it to the playing on the field and stay out of trouble.
There really isn’t all that much worth adding in FA next year, so I don’t see much in the way of a shopping spree. Hopefully some of that money is used to lock up Ike and even Harvey to friendly deals and then absorbing some salary in a trade that shores up the OF.
That is what I would like to see. If there is payroll flexibility, use on guys who are producing here first, then go out and fill up some holes.
I have my eye on one player, Giancarlo Stanton.
If the Marlins are willing to trade him, we will have pieces to acquire him as Syndergaard will be a top 10-20 prospect and Fulmer could be a top 50 prospect. Add Flores to that and possibly Duda if he has value after this season and you have a solid foundation.
He’d be a nice addition, for sure. I’d think, though, that if Syndergaard and Fulmer as showing to be as good as they anticipate, I’d say keep them and have the best rotation in baseball for many moons. Hard to say no, though, to see Stanton on the back of a Mets Jersey.
Mike is available. Probably a bit old at this point, but should come cheap!
I’ll get in at least 5-8 games this year, with a couple of them comped, no matter what. Maybe go to a couple more games if they’re playing reasonably well. Still not comparable to the 20-25 games a year I went to around ’04-’08. Hopefully I’ll be lured back to that many games soon.
I know this is entirely off topic. I just wanted to see someone else’s opinion..
How crazy is this article?
http://www.sportspickle.com/news/89/elias-sports-bureau-disbands-after-finally-getting-laid
Is this estimation based on the 100 million or so official payroll or is it based on the 80 million or so the Mets will actually pay out in 2013 ?
That’s a key question: Cash flow or accounting ?
Likewise, SNY, Citifield and the Mets may technically be three different enteties, but all three are very closely related, depending on each other and essentially are owned by the same people.
As well it should decline. Frankly, I think Mets fans have been far too kind the past two seasons. I’m all for Sandy’s plan. But let’s face reality, they are really trying to compete in 2013.
One thing I like about the Mets fan base – we aren’t like Cubs fans that support the team regardless of the record.
Keep losing and you’re going to continue to bleed money at the gate. Oh well.
Sorry: should say “NOT really trying to compete in 2013″
This is pretty much what I have been saying to Dooby and anyone else who seems to think we are going on some Buying Spree to make 2014 the year it comes together…
They EXPECT to lose 10 Mil this year, which is about the same amount in losses as last year minus the 10 Mill TV money they will get this year from the new tv deal.
And all of that is predicated on them having the same attendance as last year.
WHich is more likely to decline than increase or stay the same…
If they lose another 160K of Attendance this year that will translate to roughly another 20 Million in lost revenue which would translate to 30 Mil in losses for this fiscal year.
They will NOT go out and have a spending spree in a year they just lost 30 Million, a number that is only 20 Million less than they lost in 2010 when all the FISCAL FIXING supposedly put into place was supposed to fix.
As I have tried to point out to anyone who thinks Sandy is fixing this team’s money issues,
All the cuts and departures of our best player in every year has cost us 316,935 in attendance over the two years….We have saved roughly 60Mil in Salary but lost roughly 39.6 Mil in Revenue….
Do the Math
50Mil (losses of 2010) + 39.6Mil (Losses of Revenue since 2010) = 89.6Mil
89.6Mil – 60Mil = 29.6 Mil in Losses
You can talk about how little you think they are committed to next year in guaranteed money but it means nothing because they can’t field a team for that amount, NO TEAM really can!
We would have to become the lowest paying team in the MLB without losing a shred of attendance to break even.
80Mil – 29.6Mil = 50.4 Mil! Thats 5 Mill less than San Diego spent last year as the lowest spending team in the league!
So anyone who thinks Sandy has fixed the spending by cutting costs is pretty much fooling themselves!
Please do the math for us.
Where did you get the $60 million from?
140 million we used to be minus the 80 Million we are currently projected to spend this year….
Why would you compare the payroll reduction for just 2013 against loss of revenue for three or four years?
Do the math with the reduction in payroll for each of those same years and then what is your bottom line?
Really?
“Do the Math
50Mil (losses of 2010) + 39.6Mil (Losses of Revenue since 2010) = 89.6Mil
89.6Mil – 60Mil = 29.6 Mil in Losses”
Where is the reduction in payroll in 2011? Reduction in Payroll in 2012?
You claim the $60 million is the reduction in payroll in 2013.
Add in the two numbers you purposefully left out and your brilliance becomes laughable.
What is your highest level of education?
Yes REALLY!
With a 140 Million dollar Payroll they lost 50 Million dollars on 2.559 Mil of attendance….
Since they they cut 60 Mil from payroll at the cost of 317+K of attendance which resulted in a near 40 Mil of lost revenue from the year they had a 140Mil payroll!
Sorry it’s too confusing maybe when you graduate from addition and subtraction and get to a grade where Algebra and comparative analysis is taught you will under stand the concept….
They cut 55 Mil from a 140Mil payroll and lost 23 Million…AFTER THE CUTS!
So for 55 Mil of cuts they didn’t SAVE money just didn’t lose 27 Mil they did when they had that 55 Mil worth of players!
You saved 50Cents on the dollar and you STILL haven’t turned a profit yet!
But things are swell aren’t they?
He’s a frikken Genius!
Is it possible for you to post without insulting people?
Is it possible for you to disprove someone’s opinionand statements with FACTS instead of playing Mr Ask 50 Questions just to waste my time?
Many posters here poke holes in your fact-challenged opinions.
Your response is to attack the posters.
Yeah they THINK they poke holes…..But they also think Sandy is a genius so that tells you all you need to know about what theyTHINK (of don’t really think just guess, make up crap and hope it sticks)
Just like last year when everyone said I was wrong that losing Reyes would not hurt attendance and make it decline….
Tsk Tsk…It Declined didn’t it?
What is combined three year payroll savings?
And how much more is the team now worth and how much more is SNY worth?
Sorry to blow your argument with convenient facts.
60 Mil….
The Wilpons are savvy enough to realize they are going to need to invest some money in free agency next winter or risk completely alienating the fan base.
I wouldn’t expect Robinson Cano. But I would certainly look at guys like Sin Soo Choo and Carlos Gomez as likely Mets targets. They’ll spend money somewhere.
Well the question is who and how much?
Cano they will pay far more than anyone in this FO will think is worth paying to get…Scratch him…
And of the remaining players available next year none are any better than the players were available this year but will get even MORE money due to the lack of available options compared to this year…
We know the NOT SPENDING can’t go on…And I agree the Wilpons know that….
Does Sandy? Because they are not going to tell Sandy go spend this on that if Sandy doesn’t feel it is worth it.
And he never feels it is worth it…Thats his main problem….
Right now the best hope to infuse a start player and talent on this team revolves around getting Stanton without losing Wheeler, Harvey or d’Arnaud….
And ask many of the folks here who support Sandy they will all tell you NEVER going to happen…I happen to feel differently on that….
My only concern is we have a GM who thinks NOT DEALING, is DEALING, NOT NEGOTIATING is a NEGOTIATION TACTIC….
Not conducive to prying a guy like Stanton away from smeone….
You know, at some point we the fans are also going to have to do our part.
In the first half of 2012, the Mets were playing like a Top 10 team in the sport and were as exciting to watch as anybody in baseball. But you look at their tickets sold for even the final weekend against Chicago, under 30,000. July 4th against the Phillies, under 30,000. Weekend set in early June against the cards, under 30,000.
I get that the 2nd half they ran out of gas and their flaws came shining through but that shouldn’t stop you from buying a ticket in June, July.
Hi Jessep,
Could that have been because 1) even with the price drops it was still too expensive a proposition to see the team other than the secondary market which hurts the Mets box office by two people purchasing the same ticket through them, and 2) that we had an inkling that none of the money we put into the team was going to be used for the team?
1) quite possibly
2) So what? You either want to see the team win or you don’t. Getting caught up in payroll is superficial nonsense.
“Getting caught up in payroll is superficial nonsense.”
Yeah you finally sound like a guy from the CORE!
If you believe that then why have you supported every move that is all about Payroll and not about seeing the team win enough to draw these people you think winning will bring?
I think what Donal was saying, is that we shouldn’t be worried about where the money goes when we buy a ticket, we should just buy the ticket.
Hypothetically, I would imagine he means thinking about going to a met game, checking the price of ticket, and being fine with it. Then, while you are deciding if you should go or not, you think about, “Well, what is the team going to do with my money?” When you should really be thinking about how much you just want your team to win.
We are concerned with th product we will pay to see…..
I will not spend money to go see a a bad movie why would I spend money to see a bad baseball team?
Are you a fan of Beef? Do you spend your money on Bad beef merely because you love to eat beef?
Or do you decide to have chicken until something fresh and tasty comes to the Beef Freezer?
As I said elsewhere…If you think the team is on the right path and is going to give you a good product then you should go and help pay for it!
If you want me to go you had better make a product I want to see…If not I won’t put my money in your pocket just so you can continue to make money while giving me a product I don’t like!
Okay, the analogy you just tried to use, does nothing but say that when your team is doing bad, you’ll go root for another team.
That’s a front runner, bro.
Wrong but nice try at the YOUR NOT A FAN card….
Not going to games does not make you NOT a fan….
If it did then I guess most people who like Sandy are not fans of the Mets because most don’t seem to answer when I ask how many tickets they have purchased….
I was a season ticket holder from the late 70′s to early 90′s…
Not some Sunday play season ticket holder mind you the full season Monty!
I paid my share of FULL SEASONS to support this team in it’s darkest hours…
I have SEEN and PAID TO SEE that Movie Grant left us with!
And I REFUSE to pay to see the Grant movie (selling your best player EVERY YEAR) again!
Your turn….Let me know where your sitting I’ll do snap inspections to make sure your there and supporting the team so you can keep that GOOD FAN label that you seem to think is important to anyone above age 13.
I never said you weren’t a real fan, I said what you described is a front runner.
But lets get a little angrier.
No because my desire to buy tickets has nothing to do with where they wind up in the standings but how hard I think they are trying to get BETTER than they were a year ago REGARDLESS of the eventual outcome!
When you trade away or let go the BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM two years running I refuse to reward you and PAY to see that team MINUS it’s BEST PLAYER the next year!
Ok, I’m not going to start throwing insults, but look at how much you just rambled on, and all I did was say that you used a bad analogy man. If Food is the MLB, each food would be its own team, and by going to a different food, that would be going to a different team. Bad Analogy, that’s all I was pointing out.
How far have we drifted off the original topic, you turned it into a not wanting to buy the product that’s on the field, when that’s not what the comment was even about.
Great news!!!
I’ve just nominated Random Guy and Metsie as Met fans of the Day! Take a bow guys, you are Metsmerized!
Put your measuring sticks away, now and get some rest, big day tomorrow!
Tomorows not that big a day for me only thing I have scheduled is a prelim skype with the Miss USA pagent on thier shoot coming up….LOL
Oh, I agree it went crazy far, but let’s be serious all I really said was it was a bad analogy and he went off, for a 2nd time off topic rant.
Is the team winning?
It was when people went to games and didn’t care how poor the Wilpons were when baseball decisions were being made….
that was his point. Last year, mid season, the team was right around the playoff cutoff, and fans were still not coming out.
And after we threw in the towel even LESS showed up….
All it would have taken was making a move to show people they were going to at least try…
Why not make that offer they claim to have made for Upton back then?
They cost themselves more attendance than had to be….
Gun to your head would you rather:
A) win 80-89 games consistently and not make the playoffs
B) win 71-79 games for a few years and build a team which wins 90-99 games consistently
Don’t need the gun….Option A because it means any ticket I buy has a chance of being a good game to go to and a win….
I have already seen them go to four World Series games in my life….
So waiting to win another in 20 years really doesn’t interest me….
If they make Option A happen then all it takes is a few signings to win another….
You way when it fails you can’t do anything to make a WS happen!
“You know, at some point we the fans are also going to have to do our part. ”
BINGO!
Been saying that for three years now!
Problem is you can’t expect the fans who don’t like the moves and direction of the team in investing in and REWARDING thier bad behavior so it is up to all those who LOVE the direction, LOVE the approach, and think Sandy is doing a BANG UP JOB in fixing this team to show them thier appreciation and go spend on the team they say is being constructed properly!
Once those Fans of the FO pay the bills to a break even point, then anyone who wants to see them spend more money will have to pay the piper and give them the money they will need to make those expenditures.
Some were already going to see guys like Beltran, Reyes, Wright and Dickey….
But the Beltran fans bailed, the Reyes fans Bailed and this year I expect many of the Dickey fans to bail as well….
Not looking good for 2014 Spending!
Nope! Because they only won 3-7 more games in 2010 and yet they lost over 300K in attendance since then….
Tell us what you think is the ticket to win ratio to prove what you think is key?
Then when you actually come up with one…CHEW on this fact….
They only won 70 games in 2009 and drew 3.1 Million….
They lost two games more in 2011 than 2010 and lost 200K in attendance
They lost two MORE games on 2011 in 2012 and lost another 110K in Attendance…
Wins don’t seem to be the key here does it?
And if it is then why did we punt on the last two seasons when we were above .500 in July and hurt the attendance that could have solved all the financial issues?
Is it the losses that made attendance decline?
Or the lost of the 5 Best players over 2 years that did that?
I offerred you a challenge….
Name the ratio of Wins to ticket sales so we can look at the past wins and attendance figures to prove what you say is right….
You passed because you know you can’t prove your point….
I proved mine!
Please be honest with us. Why did the mets draw 3 million fans in 2009?
New Stadium coupled with the prediction that the 2009 team was the team to beat in the NL East at the time Season tickets went on sale!
They had the highest season ticket sales that year in thier history because everyone wanted to lock in thier new seats for the future of a team that was predicted to be the cream of the national league crop until it got hurt.
Ding ding brand new stadium. Can’t just compare wins and fans then can you when the stadium since 1964 is replaced.
Kind of a major impact on 2009 and 2010 attendance.
I see you ignored the most IMPORTANT part of my answer….
team predicted to win the NL East…
How convenient of you to ignore KEY FACTS when you don’t like them….
You are basically saying the only people who attend games are Sandy Alderson fans..
You won’t go see the team play because of Sandy Alderson’s FO?
I hate to break it to you, but that’s not a real fan. A real fan sticks with his team through the thick and thin.
The guys on the field, THE TEAM, you are a fan of, did not decide their own roster, or who they play along side of, as a fan base we should SUPPORT our team, and the guys who play on it. I’m not saying trades, and looking for improvements doesn’t make you a fan. But the person you described, to me, is 100% a front runner, and should go be a Yankees fan.
And uhh.. 90% of attendance of the woman who go to baseball games, don’t know who Sandy Alderson is, or that he even exists, so that’s (theoretically) easily half of the attendance that you claim only supports alderson. Not to mention all kids under 12 who could careless and the “front office” aspect, and just want to see their team win.
No what I’m saying is they are LOSING MET FANS and if someone is going to make up for the losses of fans who do not like what they see going on the FIRST IN LINE should be all those Sandy fans who thinks things are going GREAT!
Put your money where your comments are!
Sandy fans are the ones with the HOPE and IDEA that things are getting better…
Well then you like the product so BUY it!
But don’t expect the rest of us who thinks things are getting worse to pony up money the guys who LIKE the Moneyballing refuse to spend to see what they like!
I refuse to subsidize a plan I don’t agree with…
If you agree with it then subsidize it yourself so they can break even and stop complaining about the lack of money to spend on KEEPING a player that might give ME hope and inspire me to spend my money on thier product again.
You argument is flawed. This isn’t your investment, it’s the team you are a fan of. You don’t get a return except for how the product on the field makes you feel.. why would you not want to root for the guys on your team? You are rooting for a front office, that’s not a fan, sorry.
How many tickets did you buy for this year Random?
I buy Products I deem worth spending on….
If you just buy because you feel you need to to be a fan thats your problem not mine…
So get to the Ticket Counter and put your money where your mouth is…
If you like the product then go see it…If not enough people go then you will see that YOU are in the Minority of Fan opinion regarding how good the team is…
The rest of us will wait to buy tickets when it looks like the product is worth seeing.
Once again, you are missing the point. The point is far above your head. Make bigger claims about how good I think the team is, please go ahead. You need to use some kind of logic in the stuff you say. What does that even mean that I’ll be in the minority of people who think the team is good.
And, no I do not think I need to buy tickets to be a real fan, I just shouldn’t be crossing the idea off 3 days into spring training games.
You ever see the movie Major League? You are Randy Quiad’s character, except he went to the games to berate the players.
And how many tickets have I purchased so far? If you look back, this was never about that, but you and a few others will twist and turn any argument to try and play in your favor. Go back, and read what was originally said, if you can’t comprehend it, let me know.
No your the only one missing a point here…You have yet to state or make a point either….
I asked you a simple question…How many tickets did you buy?
You couldn’t even say ONE! Just avoided it!
You say you have not given up on the season and what I’m doing is being a front runner…
Yet you have fewer tickets to ths season than I do!
So we know your just talking a pile of crap trying to sond like your more optimistic than me…
And you know what that gets you?
Greater disappointment in the end when I am saying I told you so and you have nothing…
Yes, I did make a point, my point is that you saying everyone that goes to the games is a Sandy Alderson lover is absurd, which it is.
Why would I answer a question that has nothing do with the original topic, so we can go further off topic? That just doesn’t make sense.
I did say I haven’t given up on the season, and I probably said you weren’t a real fan, you just don’t see the game the same way MOST fans do. Not all fans sit here and read articles everyday man, they don’t know the inner and outer workings of everything with the mets like you apparently do, but okay, you are a real fan.
Oh, but I haven’t told you how many tickets I have, so how could you possibly know that?
I’m not talking a pile of crap, you ignore everything I say and just rant on about whatever floats into your brain about the mets, I mean really, that’s what happens cause you ignored everything I said in my ORIGINAL comment, on this and the above comment, you just ranted on and turned it into the subject you wanted to talk about.
Congrats man, you’ll be the fan who told all the other fans his team sucks, what a guy.
If thats your point your wrong because I never said that!
You WISH I had said that so you could play this little game your playing but NEVER ONCE did I ever say such a thing!
All I said was if you LIKE what Sandy is doing you should go to see them and solve the problems thier selling off talent has done to thier attempt to fix the finances!
Because the ones who DO NOT LIKE what Sandy has done are not going to pay the bills of a team that does what YOU like FOR YOU!
There are a ton of Met fans who do not like what Sandy is doing and still bought tickets…
And those numbers get smaller and smaller every year at a rate of about 75-100K for every All star we have lost since 2011!
Dude go read your first two comments on this threaded part. Go, Go back and actually read it, don’t just read the rest of this, and type, go read it. You pretty much say you don’t expect anyone at the games unless they are FO supporters, as they are flocking away in the 100′s of thousands, correct? that is what you were saying, and implying completely in those comments.
Losing met fans? as opposed to winning mets fans? I’m sorry, the only difference I see between those is a front runner, and a loyal fan. Once again not saying you are a front runner? but come on.. you cant classify fans as losing fans and winning fans, thats just dumb lol
And last but not least, the very last thing in this last comment right here. I know what you are saying about the ones who don’t like sandy’s actions. And in my first response I think I made my other point, that alot of fans that actually go to the games, don’t know who sandy alderson is, they just want to see a game. This would probably be a good point to go read that part of what I said again, just as a refresher.
Dude go read your first two comments on this threaded part. Go, Go back and actually read it, don’t just read the rest of this, and type, go read it. You pretty much say you don’t expect anyone at the games unless they are FO supporters, as they are flocking away in the 100′s of thousands, correct? that is what you were saying, and implying completely in those comments.
Losing met fans? as opposed to winning mets fans? I’m sorry, the only difference I see between those is a front runner, and a loyal fan. Once again not saying you are a front runner? but come on.. you cant classify fans as losing fans and winning fans, thats just dumb lol
And last but not least, the very last thing in this last comment right here. I know what you are saying about the ones who don’t like sandy’s actions. And in my first response I think I made my other point, that alot of fans that actually go to the games, don’t know who sandy alderson is, they just want to see a game. This would probably be a good point to go read that part of what I said again, just as a refresher. I think you are greatly over-estimating the amount of people that pay this much unbelievable attention to the game.
Yep read them both…
You what I learned?
YOU CAN’T READ!
This is your post.
“Problem is you can’t expect the fans who don’t like the moves and direction of the team in investing in and REWARDING thier bad behavior so it is up to all those who LOVE the direction, LOVE the approach, and think Sandy is doing a BANG UP JOB in fixing this team to show them thier appreciation and go spend on the team they say is being constructed properly!
Once those Fans of the FO pay the bills to a break even point, then anyone who wants to see them spend more money will have to pay the piper and give them the money they will need to make those expenditures.”
This isn’t implying what I said? Do you know what the word imply means?
Once those fans of the FO pay the bills…. That statement is everything I said it was.
But thanks again, for proving you are an adult and everything.
Nope!
What did the first line you quoted say?
YOU CAN’T EXPECT unhappy people to pay to see a plan they don’t like….
So if YOU WANT Attendance to go up those who like the plan had better start ponying up to pay for what they think is good moves.
Now take a remedial reading course or go to sleep so you can read a little clearer than you seem to at this point in time!
So, just to get this straight you are ignoring the fact that you did say it, right here.
“Once those Fans of the FO pay the bills to a break even point, then anyone who wants to see them spend more money will have to pay the piper and give them the money they will need to make those expenditures.”
I guess, I don’t know what Fans of the FO means.
You need to calm down man, you are getting very angry, im just quoting what you said. I figured you would of known what you said.
No lets get it REALLY straight….
I’m saying you can’t read!
You seem to have no sense of context or ability to see the bigger picture of that entire post and TOTALLY ignoring who and what it was in reply to!
I know exactly what it was in reply too lol, and I pointed out that that statement, is exactly what I said it is. I understand that there was more to your post as well, just as there was more to mine, which you chose to ignore and go on a crazy rant about fans doing this and fans doing that. I also mentioned that you are holding the actions of the FO against the players on the field(not in those exact words). (since we like caps so much) YOU chose to ignore that part completely(until, a post 5 mins. ago? in a different thread).
You did say it, thats the point im getting at, in the context of that argument and in general that statement, says EXACTLY what I’m saying it is. You agree that the fans need to do their part, but say you wont? That’s laughable logic. So instead of saying I need to learn how to read, learn how to understand that you said something, and you literally denied it until I proved it, at which point, its about “context”.
There’s no winning when you are arguing with a brick wall..
This is similar to how I agreed with you lower down this article, and then you continued to rant off like a madman.
So, to my #1 Reading Comprehension Grandpa whose cranked up on Caffeine, have a good night.
What exactly is a “Dickey fan”?
The one question I ask is why can’t the Mets have a season like Oakland did last year?
Let’s take a look at their team rankings from last season (MLB/AL)
OPS: 19th/11th
HR: 7th/6th
RUNS: 14th/8th
SB: 9th/6th
ERA (SP): 9th/3rd
ERA (RP): 4th/2nd
Errors: 23rd/12th
Oakland clearly didn’t have a great offense, but won 93 games on the strength of an above average rotation and a great bullpen in a better league last season.
While the Mets are unlikely to have a pitching staff like Oakland did, all of the pitchers who stunk last season are gone. We have a rotation that is capable of being top 10 in baseball and a totally revamped bullpen that we have no idea what to expect.
While our OF stinks on paper, the A’s won 93 games with an offense that was slightly below the MLB average. We’re gonna need to get lucky and overachieve, but I don’t see how getting to the play-in game is that out of reach…
Because Oakland doesn’t play in a division as strong as the Mets thats why!
Texas is a good team but hardly a world beater…
Angels went through what most teams who buy their way to competitiveness do, a year to adjust and get settled. This may be the year thier spending pays off…We had a similar situation the year we got Beltran.
Seattle has been horrible for awhile now…
A 4 horse race where one of the horses pulls up lame every year can usually host a surprise winner. The question of the A’s is was it real or was it just a fluke due to the Angels falling just short of what they could have been if Pujols was Pujols right out of the gate….
What people SHOULD be asking about the As is would they have finally been the first MONEYBALL TEAM to get into the WS if they had scrapped the Moneyball for a year and kept Gio for one more year?
I think Tommy Millone did pretty well for himself. Also, it isn’t like Gio was clutch in the playoffs either. 5 runs in 10 innings over 2 starts.
Yet they were a Wildcard team and if they had been a Div Winner might have done better with Home Field advantage…..
Sure they did ok…But that ignores how good they might have been if they had kept a guy who was in the running for a CY Young albeit an enhanced performance as it seems to have been.
Makes you wonder if Oakland has ever won anything without some extra chemical help doesn’t it?
Uh the As won the West.
No whoops?
Yeah they breezed through the league winning 100+ games cause they were so formidable….
Oh Wait…..
96 and 90 wins in one less game than the 2006 Mets you seem to think were fakes and only one or two games more in one where you and your friends called choke artists in 2007 and 2008….
Keep Squirming dude!
Im pretty sure the economy has to do with the attendance drop as well. Take a look at all the clubs, good or bad, most experienced a drop. I for one am a Met fan, I will support my team regardless of what management does. I go because I enjoy the game, and yes I do go for Wright, he’s done a lot for this team. First he is not hitting in a hitter friendly park, look what he did at Shea, also if you put some good guys around him in the lineup he will do much better. Its really not easy being the only guy. Plus who else are you gonna put at third, his defense has also saved runs. He could have easily waited and went to free agency and made much more. Point is, if you’re a fan then be one. I will be attending games as usual this year, not as many but not because I dislike the team, but because everything else got expensive and limits me.
Well supposedly the economy is slightly better than it was in 2011 yet the attendance still goes down….
The problem with attendance is lack of HOPE!
People seem to think winning causes ticket sales and it will result in all of us Blue Collar types to go to a few more games but that uptick is a drop in the bucket compared to all those who bought a full season and Partial season titkcet plan before the season even started because they had hope that those games would be worth seeing!
The Mitchell Report and all the other steroid stuff that has been coming out for years certainly has some kind of an impact gradually over the years, I know many people who just find it boring now, no more massive home runs and home run totals, the game became too saturated with run-of-the-mill talent.
Leagues work around talent, the NBA was it’s biggest when MJ played, MJ left, so did the ratings they were getting, they are STILL trying to get back to MJ level, that’s their goal.
You think Golf has HALF as much following without Tiger undoubtedly dominating his competition on the regular?
Every sport experiences these types of things, as well as fan bases becoming less and more interested in the team. Our attendance in 06′-08′ is going to be higher than now, we were a “dominant” team then, that was suppose to win. It’s easier to decide if you want to go see a game when your team is dominating the rest of the league.
‘Im pretty sure the economy has to do with the attendance drop as well. Take a look at all the clubs, good or bad, most experienced a drop’
This.
Even Yankees attendance dropped last season and they went to post season – none of those games were a sellout either at Yankee stadium.
So I can blame him for the reason that I might be furloughed come Thursday?
If you have to make up lies to make a point you lost before you typed the first letter of your response….
No one has ever blamed Sandy for the financial difficulties all we have said was he made things worse not better!
And Worse than they HAD to be if he had just kept ONE of the Best players on the team in any of his two years here!
Attendance is a lagging indicator. It typically picks up once the team starts winning (Mets drew more in 1970 and 1987 then their World Series years. We would have to look at the numbers but being out of it by mid-August kills the rest of the year. I have been to games at Citi in September where tumbleweeds were blowing through the concourse.
If the Mets are as bad as I fear they will be this year, we are likely talking about drawing under 2 million fans for the first time since 1997. I think their projections of 2 million fans is a bit on the rosy side. If the Mets get off to a bad start, 1.7 to 1.8 million would not be unrealistic.
Yes it is a lagging indicator with the only exception being years in which the team spent on star power to get an immediate uptick in sales during the offseason before a single game was played.
Years like 2005 where they signed Martinez and Beltran and had one of thier best years of Season Ticket sales in a decade.
They drew more winning 83 games in 2005 than they drew winning 94 and getting to the World Series in 2000…More attendance then 1999 where they won 97 games!
Because those teams were not considered a great hope at the time and the years of being bad gave plenty of hope to fans that something good was coming….
So they bought tickets because they WANT to go provided you don’t give them too many excuses to not go.
This FO has given them plenty of reason and excuses to not pay to go see them…
When you say we won’t be competitive till 2014 well people will just wait till 2014
Hi Metsie,
You know, even though I never had enough money to be a season ticket holder, I also never had qualms about spending what I could to go to a Met game. I won’t talk about the early years of Casey, Westrum, the Miracle team, 1973 or even Joe Frazier but later on, in the early eighties, the mid nineties and the Art Howe years when the teams were quite bad.
The reason it never entered my mind NOT to go to a Met game is because the thought never occurred to me that (except for those few years under Grant – in which I still took my wife to a few games anyway) because I felt the front office was always trying to win, inept as some of them might or might not have been. There is a big difference between being inept and being either indifferent or selling a team short to save money.
And good point about the decline in attendance and the figures for 2005 compared to 2000. At that time I won’t deny thinking great things about Fred and Jeff. They were spending money and there were many inexpensive seats It was only a few years later – even before Citi Field – when I saw that support slowly no longer being what I thought was mutual when one started having to take out a small loan to go to a game. And this was still at Shea and with us in a playoff hunt. When Citi then out priced so many and restricted us from going through half the entrances, etc. is when it became full tilt. Sandy only re-affirmed it.
I dont think NY fan expects them to win and have the best team every year…
I certainly never based my purchase of them guaranteeing me a WS ticket at the end of the year….
And I don’t punish them if and when they lose for reasons not under their control like the Injuries in 2009.
What I do take issue is when they start off with a team that is good but not good enough and then make it worse!
When they come out and say NOT THIS YEAR before the year even started I say ok Let me know when your ready for some of my money…
I wouldn’t pay (and no one else here would either) if the entire team played as if they had no chance and merely went through the motions of playing baseball yet thats precisely what Sandy is doing here…Going through the motions of being a GM without making an effort to keep the good and replace the bad that is the reason why this ain’t the year….
As for the prices at Citifield lets face facts….
For guys our age we have a lot more to think about doing with our money than buying a seasons worth of Tickets.
When I did it I was young 18-20′s, owned a pretty successful video production company at a time where not many people could do what I do and didn’t have Property Taxes, retirements plans and for awhile a mortgage to make payments on….
If I didn’t spend it on the Mets it would be spent in some Stripper joint!
I feel like I have paid my dues with the well over a decade of full season tickets…
Now I go when I feel like going…Buy a few tickets per year to a series or promotion I like to go to….
And I have been buying much fewer than usual only because I see no reason to reward an organization who thinks getting rid of the best player of that year every year is financially smart and will solve thier problem…
When they start ADDING good players as opposed to sending them away for empty unproven promises they might get me to buy more tickets.
See I can agree with you, I wouldn’t want to pay to watch a bunch of guys slacking around the field all day, playing dead baseball. While our GM does seem to be going through the motions more than not, I feel the players are giving it their best effort, definitely. That’s why I would personally go to the games, to support the guys actually playing it, but I do understand what you are saying, don’t get me wrong man, even in my other posts I’m not trying to just be objective, I just think your enthusiasm on lesser important points sells short the points you are really trying to get across.
No point in going to see players doing and tryng thier best except to say goodbye and see them one last time after they are traded away for a ham sandqich or deemed not worth paying because they were good and we can’t win WITH them so might as well lose without them….
Who was the best OFer on our team last year?
Is he still here?
Who was the best pitcher this team has seen since Gooden?
Is he still here?
Who was the best SS this team has ever seen when glove AND bat are combined?
Is he still here?
Who was the best OFer this team has had since Strawberry patrolled RF?
Is he still here?
After Beltran left who was the best OFer on our team?
Did he live to see another year in a Met uni?
I don’t need to go see these guys play thier hearts out have personal statistical success only to say goodbye…
I can just say thanks via Twitter and not put more money into an endeavor that seems to value money over baseball…
And if you choose to subsidize this plan that made all those guys go be my guest….
Don’t expect to see me there unless SNY needs an Engineer for the broadcast truck that day!
You pay Sandy’s salary with your attendance….And don’t expect the rest of the Met Fans who did last year to attend again this year after we traded away the biggest draw this team has had SINCE gooden!
I was generally agreeing with you, why are you getting all hostile about it.
Because your acting like a badgering idiot!
Thats why!
You don’t read or comprehend what is written you just assume it says whatever you want it to say and cause a 6 hour discussion about a reply that was basically saying if you want to fix the finances and think Sandy is doing a good job you had better go because 310K people who USED TO subsidize the team and buy tickets stopped going because they DON’T LIKE SANDY’S PLAN!
And maybe more will stop coming this year now that Dickey is gone!
Who is going to make up for that loss in attendance?
Guys who hate Sandy’s plan?
Or will it have to come from the few who proclaim it SMART yet not smart enough to go see the team more?
Dude, unless you are drunk there is no way you are serious. There’s only one badgering idiot right now. You are literally RANTING off like you forgot your medication or something, man. Everything okay over there? We should put the caffeine down I think.. We are getting really excited for no reason, I think it’s fogging with your memory too, you’ve forgotten a few posts you’ve made, and what you’ve said in them.
I think the mets attendance will be way higher this year than it was last. Its hard for me to get the family to a game cause i moved to douth jersey. But there are so many young players i wana see. This team will be at least 10 or 15 games better on win side.
I love murph but trade him n give flores a chance st rookie of year. Can u imagine having 3 guys in the rookie of th year conversation. Its possible i think flores can be an all star 2b this season if he gets job.