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	<title>Comments on: How Statistics Reshaped The Way We View Pitchers and Their Game</title>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/how-statistics-reshaped-the-way-we-view-pitchers-and-their-game.html#comment-361883</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t matter where the ball goes after he doesn&#039;t catch it...If it scored due to the error it scores just the same with a hit!

Only scenario you can come up with that MIGHT fit is runner on 2nd fly ball....
If thats the scenario he is holding on base until the error happens.
Then takes two bases after the error occurrs.

Same situation a single scores that runner just as well. He runs on the contract reaches third by the time the ball gets to the OFer and scores because the throw has to be perfect to nail him since he is already running full speed.

If the runner is on 3rd he scores either way...
If the runner is on first rolling to the wall will not help unless a SECOND error is made.
He is not going first to home on a single error. another Throwing error would be involved.

And in the end you have ONE type of error that could score a run compared to dozens of HIT uutcomes tat are MUCH MORE LIKEY to score that run so your whole premise is just flat out wrong!

So sorry charlie your scenario doesn&#039;t help you at all in proving an error leads to a run more often than a hit does.
RBI totals when compared to RS says otherwise!
If there was an error no RBI would be awarded!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t matter where the ball goes after he doesn&#8217;t catch it&#8230;If it scored due to the error it scores just the same with a hit!</p>
<p>Only scenario you can come up with that MIGHT fit is runner on 2nd fly ball&#8230;.<br />
If thats the scenario he is holding on base until the error happens.<br />
Then takes two bases after the error occurrs.</p>
<p>Same situation a single scores that runner just as well. He runs on the contract reaches third by the time the ball gets to the OFer and scores because the throw has to be perfect to nail him since he is already running full speed.</p>
<p>If the runner is on 3rd he scores either way&#8230;<br />
If the runner is on first rolling to the wall will not help unless a SECOND error is made.<br />
He is not going first to home on a single error. another Throwing error would be involved.</p>
<p>And in the end you have ONE type of error that could score a run compared to dozens of HIT uutcomes tat are MUCH MORE LIKEY to score that run so your whole premise is just flat out wrong!</p>
<p>So sorry charlie your scenario doesn&#8217;t help you at all in proving an error leads to a run more often than a hit does.<br />
RBI totals when compared to RS says otherwise!<br />
If there was an error no RBI would be awarded!</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A ball rolling to the wall cleanly isn&#039;t a single. Or usually isn&#039;t. So, no it doesn&#039;t fit here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A ball rolling to the wall cleanly isn&#8217;t a single. Or usually isn&#8217;t. So, no it doesn&#8217;t fit here.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/how-statistics-reshaped-the-way-we-view-pitchers-and-their-game.html#comment-361854</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nope no more likely to score a run than a ball hit he couldn&#039;t possibly catch no matter what he did!

If the error could score a run then a hit could just as easily because the end result was the RUN could score unless an OUT was made!

If the ball rolls to the wall it really doesn&#039;t matter. If he could catch it the runner would be holding waiting for the tag. If it was a hit he wouldn&#039;t be waiting and score because he was running from the get go!

So no yor situation does not show an Error makes a run score more likely than a hit does.
The only difference is the error if not made could PREVENT a run scoring...A hit means there was NO WAY to prevent it from scoring making the hit MORE LIKELY to score the run since the fielder had no shot at preventing it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope no more likely to score a run than a ball hit he couldn&#8217;t possibly catch no matter what he did!</p>
<p>If the error could score a run then a hit could just as easily because the end result was the RUN could score unless an OUT was made!</p>
<p>If the ball rolls to the wall it really doesn&#8217;t matter. If he could catch it the runner would be holding waiting for the tag. If it was a hit he wouldn&#8217;t be waiting and score because he was running from the get go!</p>
<p>So no yor situation does not show an Error makes a run score more likely than a hit does.<br />
The only difference is the error if not made could PREVENT a run scoring&#8230;A hit means there was NO WAY to prevent it from scoring making the hit MORE LIKELY to score the run since the fielder had no shot at preventing it!</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/how-statistics-reshaped-the-way-we-view-pitchers-and-their-game.html#comment-361811</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;#1 there is no situation where an error is more likely to score a run than a hit will.&quot;

So, an outfielder dropping a fly ball that rolls to the wall wouldn&#039;t be more likely to create a run than a bloop or bunt single? A third baseman throwing the ball into the stands wouldn&#039;t do more to create a run than said bloop or bunt?

Also, you are being dishonest and I already corrected you on this. The contention is that rBOE is more likely to create a run than a single. Not any old hit. A single.

&quot;weights them based on how productive they are supposed to be which is why it’s dumb to have a single be worth more than a quarter of what a HR is…A HR is 4 bases a Single is just one!&quot;

1) That isn&#039;t how weighting works

2) You assume all bases are of equal value. The difference between second and first is actually greater than the difference between third and second.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;#1 there is no situation where an error is more likely to score a run than a hit will.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, an outfielder dropping a fly ball that rolls to the wall wouldn&#8217;t be more likely to create a run than a bloop or bunt single? A third baseman throwing the ball into the stands wouldn&#8217;t do more to create a run than said bloop or bunt?</p>
<p>Also, you are being dishonest and I already corrected you on this. The contention is that rBOE is more likely to create a run than a single. Not any old hit. A single.</p>
<p>&#8220;weights them based on how productive they are supposed to be which is why it’s dumb to have a single be worth more than a quarter of what a HR is…A HR is 4 bases a Single is just one!&#8221;</p>
<p>1) That isn&#8217;t how weighting works</p>
<p>2) You assume all bases are of equal value. The difference between second and first is actually greater than the difference between third and second.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/how-statistics-reshaped-the-way-we-view-pitchers-and-their-game.html#comment-361619</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 05:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah try and lie and subterfuge your way out of it...

#1 there is no situation where an error is more likely to score a run than a hit will.
#2 it IS used as a credential asa major component of WAR!
BOTH ar used to try and figure out who is the better player to have as ALL metrics are!
Just hiding the bad metric into another is not solving your problem of garbage being put into the equation

#3 wOBA is Weighted On Base Average it&#039;s not a resultant as it takes no results other than cunting stats and weights them based on how productive they are supposed to be which is why it&#039;s dumb to have a single be worth more than a quarter of what a HR is...A HR is 4 bases a Single is just one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah try and lie and subterfuge your way out of it&#8230;</p>
<p>#1 there is no situation where an error is more likely to score a run than a hit will.<br />
#2 it IS used as a credential asa major component of WAR!<br />
BOTH ar used to try and figure out who is the better player to have as ALL metrics are!<br />
Just hiding the bad metric into another is not solving your problem of garbage being put into the equation</p>
<p>#3 wOBA is Weighted On Base Average it&#8217;s not a resultant as it takes no results other than cunting stats and weights them based on how productive they are supposed to be which is why it&#8217;s dumb to have a single be worth more than a quarter of what a HR is&#8230;A HR is 4 bases a Single is just one!</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 05:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your problem is you think wOBA is a credential. It&#039;s not. It&#039;s resutant. It measures the likelihood of runs scoring based on the outcomes of each plate appearance. Has nothing to do with how good a player is. You dont understand the very basic function of the stat but feel you know enough to speak on it&#039;s intricacies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your problem is you think wOBA is a credential. It&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s resutant. It measures the likelihood of runs scoring based on the outcomes of each plate appearance. Has nothing to do with how good a player is. You dont understand the very basic function of the stat but feel you know enough to speak on it&#8217;s intricacies.</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 04:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Read it again. Did the Mets match the offer? Or the guaranteed offer? It&#039;s like teaching remedial pre-school. What was the guaranteed offer the Indians offered? What did the Mets offer?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read it again. Did the Mets match the offer? Or the guaranteed offer? It&#8217;s like teaching remedial pre-school. What was the guaranteed offer the Indians offered? What did the Mets offer?</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/how-statistics-reshaped-the-way-we-view-pitchers-and-their-game.html#comment-361602</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 04:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes I disagree and disagree even MORE that the guy who couldn&#039;t get a hit and needed an error to get on base did something and should get more credit for someone else&#039;s screwup than a guy who made his own accomplishment.

There is no reason to believe getting on via error creates a greater chance of a run than a Hit does.

And Error doesn&#039;t usually CAUSE a run to score anymore than a Hit usually does. 

And if an error DOES score a run you don&#039;t give the credit to the guy who did nothing without defensive help.
He couldn&#039;t CAUSE the error and should get no credit for anything that happens during one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I disagree and disagree even MORE that the guy who couldn&#8217;t get a hit and needed an error to get on base did something and should get more credit for someone else&#8217;s screwup than a guy who made his own accomplishment.</p>
<p>There is no reason to believe getting on via error creates a greater chance of a run than a Hit does.</p>
<p>And Error doesn&#8217;t usually CAUSE a run to score anymore than a Hit usually does. </p>
<p>And if an error DOES score a run you don&#8217;t give the credit to the guy who did nothing without defensive help.<br />
He couldn&#8217;t CAUSE the error and should get no credit for anything that happens during one.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/how-statistics-reshaped-the-way-we-view-pitchers-and-their-game.html#comment-361601</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 04:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[XtreemIcon February 11, 2013 at 11:34 pm .
 
Seriously? The Mets matched the guaranteed offer Bourn eventually took.
 
It doesn&#039;t get any clearer than that!

From the guy who is wrong more often than me but calls me always wrong....

Ho Hum....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>XtreemIcon February 11, 2013 at 11:34 pm .</p>
<p>Seriously? The Mets matched the guaranteed offer Bourn eventually took.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t get any clearer than that!</p>
<p>From the guy who is wrong more often than me but calls me always wrong&#8230;.</p>
<p>Ho Hum&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: vigouge</title>
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		<dc:creator>vigouge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually went and looked up Reyes&#039;s and Chipper&#039;s, Reyes had one roe every 70 pa&#039;s, Chipper had 1 every 95 or so.  So you&#039;re right it&#039;s just too rare of an occurrence with no real control by the hitter that it doesn&#039;t matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually went and looked up Reyes&#8217;s and Chipper&#8217;s, Reyes had one roe every 70 pa&#8217;s, Chipper had 1 every 95 or so.  So you&#8217;re right it&#8217;s just too rare of an occurrence with no real control by the hitter that it doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/how-statistics-reshaped-the-way-we-view-pitchers-and-their-game.html#comment-361558</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you disagree with the notion that RBOE is more likely to lead to a run scoring than a single?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you disagree with the notion that RBOE is more likely to lead to a run scoring than a single?</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/how-statistics-reshaped-the-way-we-view-pitchers-and-their-game.html#comment-361557</link>
		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never said the Mets made a matching offer, no matter how loudly you say I did. You posted what I did say. Read it again. You proved yourself wrong all by yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said the Mets made a matching offer, no matter how loudly you say I did. You posted what I did say. Read it again. You proved yourself wrong all by yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/how-statistics-reshaped-the-way-we-view-pitchers-and-their-game.html#comment-361519</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You couldn&#039;t even teach Pre-School]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You couldn&#8217;t even teach Pre-School</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/how-statistics-reshaped-the-way-we-view-pitchers-and-their-game.html#comment-361517</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So address it then....

GO on I have been waiting for you to do that for two years now yet you always seem to run from it.

As for Crack we pay no attention to a guy who admits to using whatever name he feels like...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So address it then&#8230;.</p>
<p>GO on I have been waiting for you to do that for two years now yet you always seem to run from it.</p>
<p>As for Crack we pay no attention to a guy who admits to using whatever name he feels like&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/how-statistics-reshaped-the-way-we-view-pitchers-and-their-game.html#comment-361515</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You two are LIVING proof that two Half wits don&#039;t make ONE WIT!

How does it discredit you?

You CLAIMED you NEVER SAID we made a matching offer....
I showed you to be the LIAR hence Credibility gone!


You were also asked in that thread to show PROOF that we matched...

You ran away as usual when your denials didn&#039;t work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You two are LIVING proof that two Half wits don&#8217;t make ONE WIT!</p>
<p>How does it discredit you?</p>
<p>You CLAIMED you NEVER SAID we made a matching offer&#8230;.<br />
I showed you to be the LIAR hence Credibility gone!</p>
<p>You were also asked in that thread to show PROOF that we matched&#8230;</p>
<p>You ran away as usual when your denials didn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I forgot I was teaching the remedial class. I&#039;ll make it easier for you

DICE and FIP are the exact same thing. Same formula. Different names.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I forgot I was teaching the remedial class. I&#8217;ll make it easier for you</p>
<p>DICE and FIP are the exact same thing. Same formula. Different names.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re attacking the idea that a RBOE is worth more than a single without actually addressing how Tango came to that conclusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re attacking the idea that a RBOE is worth more than a single without actually addressing how Tango came to that conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, you think it should be discredited because

1) they update it to fit in with new findings

2) you don&#039;t like the results

is that about right?

&quot;SO a guy with high singles seems almost as a good as a guy who hits HRs&quot;

Example? Show us how that works. Even Steve Balboni maintained a wOBA above league average for most of his career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you think it should be discredited because</p>
<p>1) they update it to fit in with new findings</p>
<p>2) you don&#8217;t like the results</p>
<p>is that about right?</p>
<p>&#8220;SO a guy with high singles seems almost as a good as a guy who hits HRs&#8221;</p>
<p>Example? Show us how that works. Even Steve Balboni maintained a wOBA above league average for most of his career.</p>
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		<title>By: Cackletta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cackletta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;This is why you always fail in your attempts to argue with what I say…
 Either because it went right over your little head or you didn’t even bother to read just reply and a attack like a dog on a keyword…&quot;

lol what? Donal&#039;s the one addressing your points, you&#039;re the one calling Donal a filthy retarted liar...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is why you always fail in your attempts to argue with what I say…<br />
 Either because it went right over your little head or you didn’t even bother to read just reply and a attack like a dog on a keyword…&#8221;</p>
<p>lol what? Donal&#8217;s the one addressing your points, you&#8217;re the one calling Donal a filthy retarted liar&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[And how exactly does that &quot;poof&quot; my credibility? I told you what I said and were kind enough to prove me right. Thanks for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how exactly does that &#8220;poof&#8221; my credibility? I told you what I said and were kind enough to prove me right. Thanks for that.</p>
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