Giancarlo Stanton Blockbuster Trade With NY Mets in the Works?

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• Dan Valis February 26, 2013 at 2:43 am

  All I can say is….wow.

  I have to agree I would probably pull the trigger on this deal, but I would try really really hard to keep Wheeler out and plug two of the Syndergaard, Montero and Fulmer group in his place.

  Fulmers stock is on the rise, and I would try to sell Syndergaard in the top 30, Fulmer in the 100, and d’arnaud in the top ten as a great and complete package. I would even throw in Den Dekker to sweetin it even more. Anything to get them to agree to pass on Wheeler.

  If Wheeler was make or break for them, I would probably break and pull the trigger, due to our deep young pool of pitchers.
  • Tommy2cat February 26, 2013 at 3:53 am

    Stanton for Wheeler & d’Arnaud? No way. No how.

    Never, ever trade a potential ace with Wheeler’s stuff (see, Nolan Ryan), especially after trading your Cy Young winner.

    Never, ever trade a potential perennial All Star catcher (see, Gary Carter, Mike Piazza – where the Mets were the beneficiaries)

    The fact that Sandy landed both of these prospects is almost unheard of. Don’t care if King Kong is available, don’t mess with the fabric of your team at this time. There are other ways to score runs.

    Repeat after me… Harvey, Wheeler, Niese, Fulmer, Syndergaard, Gee

    Bullpen: Parnell, Burke, Familia, Montero, Mejia, Tapia, Ramirez, Carson, Edgin

    Would you trade Matt Cain and Buster Posey for Giancarlo Stanton. I would not.
    • Tommy2cat February 26, 2013 at 4:04 am

      Here’s another consideration;

      Wheeler & d’Arnaud will likely be under NYM control for the next 6 years. While the prospect of acquiring Stanton is tantalizing, trading d’Arnaud & Wheeler – virtual no. 1 catching & pitching prospects, respectively, is very unsound.

      d’Arnaud is a two-way player at a premium position. Wheeler is the type of guy that can anchor a pitching staff. Stanton, notwithstanding is incredible attributes, is not worth gutting the heart of your organization’s resurgence.
    • Just-Da-Damaja February 26, 2013 at 7:12 am

      “The fact that Sandy landed both of these prospects is almost unheard of. ”

      LMAO

      that might be due to the fact that Sandy was able to trade the hottest hitter on the trade market and a CY Young award winner

      If Sandy were able to land those guys by trading Duda and Murphy, I would be impressed.
    • Just-Da-Damaja February 26, 2013 at 7:55 am

      Its a risk no matter how u cut it…

      in 2006, we could’ve traded Lastings Milledge for Barry Zito…who arguably would’ve been our Mike Hampton for that year….

      and we could’ve traded Lastings Milledge and Aaron Heilman for Manny….

      Manny and Barry >>>> Ryan Church and Brian Schneider

      then again, Sandy traded David Freese for an aging over the hill Jim Edmonds

      so ya never know…

      but I think a 23 year old Mike Stanton is a better risk…

      hell the Giants were willing to risk Wheeler for 3 months of Beltran with no draft pick comp…

      but the mets cant risk wheeler for Stanton?

      lol

      ok
      • Matt Balasis February 26, 2013 at 8:50 am

        I wouldn’t do it. The Mets win with pitching, always have always will. The prospect of facing Wheeler and d’Arnaud for the next 7 years would drive me nuts. Stanton would probably blow out a knee.

        Getting to watch Legares and Den Dekker last night I felt a little more optimistic about the Mets OF situation. I’m not saying these guys are going to be world beaters, but they’ll hold their own and that might just be enough on a team with Wheeler and Harvey heading things up.

        Stick to the plan Sandy.
    • Nick February 26, 2013 at 7:59 pm

      Your leaving out a major component: Stanton’s age. He is the same age as Wheeler and a year younger than D’arnoud. Who knows what those two guys will be, but Stanton is a proven stud. He led the majors in slugging last year, not to mention that he had the best at-bat to home run ratio in the league and longest average home run distance. He is like a prospect guaranteed to pan out and a difference maker right now in one.
    • Dan the Mets Fan February 27, 2013 at 4:16 pm

      If Wheeler was going to really end up being Nolan Ryan… then no. But that’s a pretty ambitious projection.
      • METS62FAN February 28, 2013 at 8:50 am

        DAN, THANK U! THAN ! FOR PROVING A TERRIFIC POINT. WHEN RYAN WAS DEALT B4 THE ’72 SEASON DO U REALLY BELIEVE ANYONE SUSPECTED HE COULD EVER BECOME THE NOLAN RYAN THAT DEVELOPED.
        CONSIDER THIS, HE WAS REGULARLY UNAVAILABLE DUE TO A CHRONIC BLISTERING PROBLEM THAT HAD BEEN AN ISSUE FOR MORE THAN 2Y AND RYAN HAD JUST POSTED A 1971 SEASON OF: 1W-14L, 3,97ERA, 1.59WHIP

        THAT’S JUST IT! U CAN NEVER ACURATELY TELL, FOR CEWRTAIN, THE FRIDRYCHES FROM THE RYANS, OR BETER YET THE KAZMIRS FROM THE SEAVERS YOU ONLY GET GLIMPSES & INKLINGS.

        STANTON IS NO GUARANTEE AFTER ONLY A COUPLE OF MLB SEASONS. LONG TIME MET FANS WILL RECALL IT WAS AFTER A COUPLE OF SEASONS SOMEONE MONIKERED JOHN MILNER, “THE HAMMER” AFTER HANK AARON! EVEN AFTER A COUPLE OF SEASONS THEY WERE STILL USING BYE-BYE IN FRONT OF BALBONI IN THE AL SUCH A SORT MLB LIFESPAN AS STANTON HAS EXPERIENCED DOES NOT GET COOPERSTOWN TO COMMISSION OPLAQUE DESIGN, YET.

        REMEMBER THIS ISN’T A MERE MLB EXPERIENCED PHENOM, STANTON, FOR A MiLB, TOP 10 PROSPECT; BUT 2 OF THOSE FEW TOP 10 PROSPECTS.
        OMG, THAT’S THE DEFINITION OF SHORTSIGHTEDNESS!
  • oleosmirf February 26, 2013 at 8:59 am

    All I have to say is that this complete garbage and clearly made up out of thin air.
  • METS62FAN February 26, 2013 at 11:36 am

    DAN, I’M WITH U ALL THE WAY UP TO YOUR BREAKING POINT AS THERE IS NO WAY I’D EVER PASS UP ON THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING HARVEY,WHEELER & NIESE IN THE SAME ROTATION. SINCE I CERTAINLY RECAL THE DAMAGE CREATED BY SEAVERMKOOSMAN & GENTRY AS WELL AS GOODEN,DARLING & FERNANDEZ. STANTON TRULY IS A TREMPTATION; HOWEVER HE’S NOT A PATCH ON THE ASS OF BELTRAN @ THE SAME AGE. MIAMI DESPITE OTHER TALENTS FINISHEDLAST DEPITE HIM, I DOUVBT HE’S ENOUGH TO CHANGE ’13 FROM BEING AN INVESTMENT SEASON.

    THAT BEING THE CASE I’D INVEST MORE IN PITCHING THAN HITTING AS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE MAKER.

    IT IS TIMES OF TEMPTATION SUCH AS THIS THAT THE IMMORTAL [PHRASE, “U CAN NEVER HAVE TOO MUCH PITCHING” WAS INVENTED AS LIKEWISE U CAN’T EXCEED TOO MANY TOP PITCHING PROSPECTS EITHER.
    ABSOLUTELY NOTHING POSITIVE CAN BE EXPECTED FROM OUR CURRENT PROJECTED OUTFIELD; HOWEVER SIMILAR CONSIDERATIONS WERE LEVELED @ SF’s OUTFIELD THIS TIME LAST YR.

    THIS CONCEPTUALIZED PSEUDO-TRADE IS ANOTHER GREART TEMPTATION, I’D HOPE SANDY IS TOO BULLHEADED TO CONSIDER.
    • jessep February 26, 2013 at 11:54 am

      “HOWEVER HE’S NOT A PATCH ON THE ASS OF BELTRAN @ THE SAME AGE.”

      Great saying, but I have to disagree…. Beltran undoubtedly has Giancarlo in speed and glove. But Beltran didn’t have a season with a .969 OPS or higher until he was 29 years old. Giancarlo did it at 22.

      They are very different talents. But Giancarlo has superstar potential. Like Albert Pujols type potential. Beltran had and was a very good player. Big difference
• Little Nicky February 26, 2013 at 2:43 am

  I would pass out and need to be resuscitated if we got Stanton. It would be bigger than when we got Piazza, Carter or Hernandez.
  • Gregg February 26, 2013 at 2:57 am

    I like that you bring up the Piazza trade. Because what that trade did more than anything was reinvigorate the fan base. Landing Stanton would do the same thing.
• Gregg February 26, 2013 at 2:54 am

  I’d do the deal in a heartbeat. Young, middle of the order bats don’t come around often, and when they do they cost you well over 100 million (See Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder, Josh Hamilton, David Wright).

  I remember when the Marlins finally put Miguel Cabrera up for sale years ago and how disappointed I was and I’m sure Omar was, that the Mets didn’t have the chips to land him. To get a bat like that so young, it’s hard to put a value on it.

  Anyway, this is why you don’t give away first round draft picks, and why it’s so important to constantly reload the farm system. Because not only can these young guys become core pieces of your team, but they are the chips needed when a big time player like Stanton goes on the market.
  • METS62FAN February 26, 2013 at 11:59 am

    GREG, LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR ANALOGY CORRECTLY? AS I UNDERSTAND THIS POST U HAVE A DIM OPINION ON SACXRIFICING FIRST ROUND PICKS IN ORDER TO SIGN A BIG PIECE; HOWEVER U DON’T MIND TRADING POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE MAKING ACTUAL PROSPECTS TO LAND ONE

    AS I SEE IT THA MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER SINCE A FIRST ROUND PIC IS ONLY A PROMISING POSSIBILITY WHILE AN ACTUAL PROSPECT IS THAT SAME FORMER PICK, ONLY A LITTLE OLDER & DEFINITLY MORE PROVEN.

    AS I SEE IT THE UNKNOWN PICK IS ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS BECAUSE HE COULD EITHER BE A SHAWN ABNER OR A REESE HAVENS & POSSIBLY A ZACH WHEELER OR TRAVIS d’ARNOUD BOTH OF WHICH U APPEAR VERY WILLING TO SACRIFICE UPON THE ALTAR OF EXPEDIENCE. CERTAINLY THAT’S A MUCH HIGHER FUTURE CONSIDERATION HIT THA MERELY THE DRAFT PICK U’RE OBVIOUSLY UNWILLING TO SURRENDER ON A F/A SIGNING.

    GREGGM DID I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY? PERHAPS THE MORE SUCCINCT QUESTION SHOULD BE, DID U UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY?

    JUST SAYING…
  • Dan the Mets Fan February 27, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Yeah, I think anyone against this is overvaluing our prospects. That said, I don’t think there is anyway the Marlins make this deal. I think this RotoExperts guy does not have good information. Maybe this idea was discussed, but the Marlins can get more for Stanton than this from a team outside their division.
• JorgeLCastanos February 26, 2013 at 3:03 am

  Ummm… Sounds good but maybe the Mets should deal just one of their Top Prospects (plus other players, of course) but not both of them. A Syndergaard/d’Arnoud combo maybe (+1 of the many outfielders they purchased this offseason, or even Duda).

  And it’s true, Stanton would be an immediate impact in the Mets lineup. He’s only 22 and he has great numbers at such a young age.

  On the other hand, Juan Pierre batted .307 and stole 37 bases (remember we don’t have base-stealers), he also commited just 1 error playing outfield in 800 innings (we also don’t have great outfield defense).

  Honestly, I don’t see this happening but Wheeler and d’Arnoud are still unproven players, we at least know who Stanton is and what he’s capable of with a bat above his shoulders (and he’s younger than d’Arnoud).

  Again, my call would be deal one of the players mentioned above (d’Arnoud/Wheeler) but not both of them.
  • Gregg February 26, 2013 at 3:08 am

    Profar certainly trumps anything the Mets could offer. That’s the golden chip right there.

    Honestly I was surprised Texas didn’t deal Andrus to Zona for J.Upton considering they have Profar waiting at SS.
    • METS62FAN February 26, 2013 at 12:08 pm

      MY UNDERSTANDING IS AZ INSISTED ON PROFAR JUST AS THEY DEMANDED WHEELER OR HARVEY FROM US.
• Hotstreak February 26, 2013 at 3:05 am

  Stanton is going to Texas and maybe before trade deadline. Maybe during ST. Stanton probably has to prove his knee is no problem.

  A trade in division of this nature is rarer than a FF one, two, three shutdown save.
  In addition to Profar and Olt I expect Miami to get at least three more of the Rangers top prospects. Besides Wheeler and d’Arnaud Mets would also have to empty their farm with three more top prospects. Stanton has a Dallas ticket in his hip pocket.

  http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2013/01/26/mlb-rumors-texas-rangers-would-be-good-fit-for-miami-marlins-lone-star-giancarlo-stanton/
  • JorgeLCastanos February 26, 2013 at 3:13 am

    That post is 31 days old =/

    I think that if something was going to happen with Stanton and the Rangers it would’ve happened by now.
• JorgeLCastanos February 26, 2013 at 3:06 am

  Another thing… I’ve been reading and Mets NEED to sell tickets.

  I believe Stanton could help with that.
• Gregg February 26, 2013 at 3:12 am

  In most circumstances I’d say dealing D’Arnaud and Wheeler and other prospects for one player is a mistake. Especially that we’re not going to the playoffs this year with or without Stanton.

  But as I said above, a young, true cleanup hitter like Stanton comes around so infrequently, that’s it’s hard to put a value on him.

  At just 23 years old, not only would he reinvigorate the fan base this season, he would be a building block for the future.
  • RickeyBobby February 26, 2013 at 3:59 am

    No thanks on the trade. We have a bonafide cleanup hitter in Ike Davis. Honestly, just sign a free-agent and keep Wheenler and TaD. Josh hamilton was avail, shouldve signed him. Stanton is a great player and not to sound ridic, but i think almost his statue is so massive, so McGuire-esq that it overrates him. He’s going to obv be a HR machine but other guys hit HR’s too, Granderson hit more then him and he looks like a twirp(i know yankee stad dimensions are a joke but still). We have Ike Davis who hits massive HR’s also. Wheeler was compared to Strasburg 2 days ago, there’s a void at the catcher postion in MLB. We can find power elsewhere..
    • Just-Da-Damaja February 26, 2013 at 5:55 am

      If the mets are committed to building a winner…

      they trade for stanton

      extend stanton

      extend ike

      extend duda

      extend murphy

      extend tejada

      wilpon said he has money to spend…the free-agent pool is getting smaller and smaller…

      if u extend these kids now, it buys u time on grooming their replacements when they hit their early 30′s

      dont do that and ur possibly throwing spaghetti on the wall in 2 years
    • Just-Da-Damaja February 26, 2013 at 7:44 am

      so because Stanton has a big frame…and hits massive HR…his big frame causes him to be overrated???
    • jessep February 26, 2013 at 8:47 am

      RickeyBobby – I won’t get into the view of the deal itself with you but your view of Giancarlo I do disagree with

      “No thanks on the trade. We have a bonafide cleanup hitter in Ike Davis”

      Giancarlo just turned 23 years old 3 months ago. Ike Davis isn’t in his league in terms of pure talent. That’s not a knock on Ike, it’s a compliment to Stanton.

      When it comes to proven players under the age of 25 – it’s Giancarlo and Trout then everybody else. Sure guys like Harper and Heyward and Andrus are good, they aren’t stars yet. Giancarlo is a superstar talent.

      Superstar talents don’t come along all the time.

      If you have Giancarlo on your team, there’s a good chance you have one of the top 5 players in the entire sport on your team for the longterm. With Ike you have MAYBE a top 10 first baseman…
  • METS62FAN February 26, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    TRADING 2 POTENTIAL CORNERSTONES FOR 1 BUILDING BLOCK IS A BAD DEAL REMINISCIENT OF RYAN+ PROSPECTS FOR FREGOSSI. OR OTIS+ FOR FOY. CERTAINLY STANTON @ ONLY 22 IS SUPERIOR TO BOTH THOSE RETURNS; HOWEVER THE 22 YR OLD FACTOR CUTS BOTH WAYS HE CAN DEVELOP MORE OR DIGRESS MORE WHICHEVER IS THE CRAPSHOOT THOUGH IT’S CERTAINLY A STRONGER BET ON 2 POTENTIAL IMMORTALS TGHAN JUST 1, WHO’S HAD HIS PRESS DIFFICULTIES IN OF ALL PLACES, AS MIAMI WITH THEIR COMPARATIVLY ZERO PRESS COVERAGE, LET ALONE THE SHARK TANK THAT IS NY CLUBHOUSES.

    BASED UPON PAST MET TREND LINES THE ABILITY FOR STANTON TO REMAIN UNFAZED UNDER NY HEATLAMP SOTLIGHTS; I’D CERTAINLY SELL HIS EXPECTATION LEVEL SHORT IF I WERE GAMBLING.
    TRY TO IMAGINE THE INTENSE SCRUTINY OF HAVING TO JUSTIFY THE TRADING AWAY OF WHAT WILL BE DEPICRTED BY THE PRESS AS THE NEXT SEAVER & NEXT PIAZZA ACCURATE OR NOT THAT’S WHAT IS LIKELY TO BE PORTRAYED BY SOMEONE WITH CREDENTIALS
    • jessep February 26, 2013 at 12:28 pm

      But 62… in your example of the Nolan Ryan trade… in this deal, Stanton is Nolan Ryan. Not the other way around. He’s the proven commodity, not the unproven prospect.

      I think Wheeler and d’Arnaud can and should be very good. But Stanton is a superstar potential. As in he will be in a debate about being one of the best players in the game regardless of position.

      Let me ask you this. Same deal except it was for a 22 year old Pujols, do you make that deal?
      • METS62FAN February 26, 2013 at 12:52 pm

        JESS, ANSWERINMG YOUYR QUESTION Re 22YR OLD PUJOLS I MUST REPLY THAT I STILL LOOK TO SUBSTITUTE ANY # OD ALTERNATIVES FOR WHEELER QUITE SIMPLY DUE TO I’VE SEEN TOO MANY NYM OMLETTS CAUSED BY ALL HIOPES RESIDING IN 1 BASKET, I PREFER USING 2 WHICH WHEELER AND/OR d’ARNOUD PRESENT TO ME, IN YOUR QUESTION IT’S STUILL THE SAME ANSWER AS ALL IT WIOLL TAKE TO NULLIFY AN ENTIRE SEASION IS 1 SUBSTANTIAL D/L TRIP BY EITHER STANTON, IN ORIG CASE OR PUJOLS IN YOUR REVISED QUESTION.

        HAVE WE NOT SEEN ENOUGH CARNAGE CREATED BY ILL TIMED INJURY TO MAJOR CONTRIBUTORS? BTW, NEITHER TED WILLIAMS NOR GEORGE RUTH EVER CONTRIBUTED ANYTHING OFF THE D/L!

        I STILL WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TOWARDS THAT PROPOSED IMAGINARY PUJOLS DEAL THAN THIS IMAGINARY STANTON ONE SIMPLY DUE TO THEIR PERCEIVED RESPECTIVE ABUILTIES TO PERFORM DESPITE PRESSURE BROUGHT BY THE PRESS AS WELL AS FAN’S TOO GREAT EXPECTATIONS aka (THE ’04 BELTRAN EFFECT OR THE ENTIRE NYM, JASON BAY EFFECT)
        • jessep February 26, 2013 at 1:39 pm

          I understand your injury sentiment but can’t you use that for any move, ever? At some point you have to put fear aside especially when it comes to acquiring a 22 year old superstar. Giancarlo Stanton in New York would be what Jose Reyes and David Wright were combined.

          I can easily make an argument about injuries for guys like d’Arnaud (who has been injured already) and Wheeler than you can about Stanton.

          Just as you say maybe Stanton cannot handle NY, I can say the same about the prospects.

          I personally don’t think the deal will ever happen – but I think being afraid of adding a 23 year old superstar shouldn’t be the reason.

          Who is more likely to never hit their potential out of the 3 players? Wheeler? d’Arnaud? or Stanton?

          I don’t know the answer but I do know the answer is Wheeler or d’Arnaud.
          • METS62FAN February 28, 2013 at 8:02 am

            SUPERSTAR??????? AFTER ONLY A COUPLE OF SEASONS? DON’T FORGET HOW MANY OF THESE POORELY VETTED BY TIME ARE EITHER SHOOTING STARS OR, WORSE SUPERNOVAS!

            WITH HIS TENDANCY TO BE A TAD FREE & WRECKLESS WITH HIS TWEET FINGERS GIANCARLO, MIKE OE WHOMEVER HE TRULY IS WILL BE A HUGE TARGET FOR THE VAMPIRIC NY PRESS CORPS AND,IMO, HE’S MORE LIKELY TO IMPLODE OR EXPLODE EXPODENTIALLY!
• TexasGusCC February 26, 2013 at 3:13 am

  “A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.” Ever hear that wise old saying? DO IT, NOW!!!!
• Sandman February 26, 2013 at 3:23 am

  Keep dreaming.
• CThomp519 February 26, 2013 at 4:22 am

  I wouldn’t do it either…I’ve bought into the plan the young pitching is going to get the mets to the playoffs. Right now, Wheeler looks like an ace. Add him to the rest of the staff, and things are looking great. Take him away and now you’ve got to wait another two years until the other guys are ready. I’d do D-Arnuad and Fulmer, but I wouldn’t part with Wheeler for anything.
• Dave February 26, 2013 at 4:48 am

  G. Stanton??!!……………One can dream, can’t he???
• Dave In Spain February 26, 2013 at 5:07 am

  I wouldn´t do the trade, but it´s an interesting argument. Differing from the other posters though, I´d want to keep d´Arnaud but would trade Wheeler if we could get Stanton. With Harvey, Niese, Syndergaard, Montero, Fulmer, etc we have pitchers to spare, so the risk of trading Wheeler is lessened. But d´Arnaud is a rare commodity as a 2-way catcher, and I´d keep him as we have nothing really to replace him with. But by keeping him, I don´t think we could put together a package even with Wheeler. Wheeler, Montero, DenDekker, Flores for Stanton??
  • Dave In Spain February 26, 2013 at 5:11 am

    One more thing– there are very few Stanton-esque players around, but if we could get a next-tier OFer without giving up Wheeler or d´Arnaud I´d prefer that. Flores/Familia/Mejia/Montero — that´s a package that would grab the attention of a team.
    I´ve been a proponent of trying to get Dayan Viciedo. Nowhere near Stanton, but he would complement our existing middle of the order well. Wright-Davis-Viciedo would be a potent heart of the order. If he could be had for a Flores/Montero/Duda package, or Flores/Familia/Mejia/Duda, I´d do that in a second.
• Just-Da-Damaja February 26, 2013 at 5:18 am

  I would do this trade in a heartbeat BUT…the only way u make this trade…is if u follow it up with an extension, locking up Stanton for at least another 7 years ( age 30 )

  Stanton is actually the same age as Travis and as good as I think Wheeler would be, Stanton is already that good.

  Im more confident Hudgens wont screw with Stanton than I am Warthen with Wheeler
• Joseph Cardile February 26, 2013 at 5:22 am

  No way this trade happens. Alderson is all about building a system from within. This is not happening so let’s all move on.
• DrDooby February 26, 2013 at 5:35 am

  Can´t see this happening.
  I´m sure the Mets will ask about Stanton and I´m also sure that the Marlins would reply “Wheeler & d´Arnaud” have to be in it.
  However, I can´t see a trade like that unfolding.

  First of all, it´d contradict some of the other moves (or lack thereof).
  Also, while you can probably control d´Arnaud & Wheeler for a total of 14 years (if you delay their debuts into at least May), you only have Stanton for 4 more years.
  Juan Pierre is a non-factor in all of these discussions.
  And even if you play the odds and assume that only one of Wheeler OR d´Arnaud ends up reaching his potential, you still give up 3 “free” seasons in the exchange.

  Also, the two assets the current FO has targeted so far has been young pitching and young hitters that can play “up the middle”. So, just before you are about to graduate two key pieces you cash them in for a – granted stud – corner outfielder ?

  What I could see is a “clear out the farm system” sort of trade like
  Syndergaard
  Flores
  Fulmer
  Tapia
  Nimmo
  for Stanton.

  You keep the young group of major leaguers or close to the majors prospects together – except for the one prospect you may not have room for anyway – and how´d be a good with with MIA. Plus you give up a half of your current Top 10 prospect list. That would still be a steep price – but it´d make sense for the Mets.

  Whether it´s enough for the Marlins and whether someone else will offer more, who knows ?
  • DrDooby February 26, 2013 at 5:38 am

    To extend that, it doesn´t make sense worrying about the 2013 1st rounder and not sign Michael Bourn or trading RA Dickey off his CY season if you suddenly switch into “win now” mode.
    Even if Stanton is going to help going forward.
    If you believe in the Harvey – Wheeler – d´Arnaud group of players, helped by Ike, Wright, Niese and others, you better keep it together and then add on via trades or further graduations and not tear it apart again.
    • Just-Da-Damaja February 26, 2013 at 6:00 am

      How about Wheeler and Wright for Stanton ?

      LOL
      • DrDooby February 26, 2013 at 7:03 am

        While I understand the suggestion ain´t meant serious, it also doesn´t make a lot of sense. In terms of team building logic, how does it make sense to fill one hole by opening up another hole ?

        There´s no reason not to expect David Wright to remain at least a .290 BA / .375 OBP / .500 SLG caliber batter with average to above average defense at 3b for the next several years, at least through 2016.

        So, while Stanton´s upside probably is higher, we´d merely be talking about a marginal overall upgrade vs. Wright. Ideally, you´d want a slugger like Stanton hitting behind Wright. Because the odds that Wright posts a .400 OBP seem a lot higher than that Stanton reaches that plateau. And this will be the final season where Stanton doesn´t cost anything. His annual salary will be on an extreme rise for the 2014 to 2016 window until he´s eligible for free agency. I´d guess 6 or 7 million in 2014, 11 to 13 million in 2015 and 20+ million in 2016 via arbitration if he remains as good as he is or gets even better. So, it´s not even as you´re saving a ton if money if you´re dealing Wright and getting Stanton.

        That´s besides losing Wheeler.

        Again, as much as I´d love to have Stanton in orange & blue, it makes no sense trading multiple pieces from the group of Niese – Harvey – Wheeler – Wright – Ike – d´Arnaud in exchange for Stanton. Even parting with one of these six would be tough, though probably justifyable as Stanton is worth more than any of the six alone. But all six remain under Mets control longterm, for at least 4 more seasons each. Just like Stanton.

        That´s why the continued development of the farm system in 2013 is so important. It´s a lot easier to justify parting with Syndergaard, Fulmer, Nimmo or any other piece not in the 2014 plans than ripping up a rather young core before it´s even established.
        • Gregg February 26, 2013 at 7:13 am

          Marlins don’t want anyone that makes money. They would laugh if we offered Wright to them.
    • TX February 26, 2013 at 9:51 am

      Good Post.
    • jessep February 26, 2013 at 10:46 am

      Doobs: Why does acquiring Stanton mean they switch to “win now” mode? I’d think it means they switch to “win for the next 7 years mode.”

      He’s a star. He’s something unlike anything the Mets have had since Mike Piazza and anything the Mets have had at a young age since Strawberry. He’s that good.

      Wheeler and d’Arnaud should hopefully no doubt be good ballplayers and add to the puzzle that is building a winner. But they don’t change the outlook of the franchise as much as Giancarlo. Yeah I love the idea of a young catcher, but a young superstar trumps that.

      When Giancarlo is actually in his prime at say age 26, he could be a top 3 player in the entire sport. You can’t replace that.
  • Chicago Days February 26, 2013 at 7:52 am

    I agree with DrDooby and Tommy2Cat. i would not do this trade as outlined above, but wouldd do as DrD suggests a Syndergaard, Fulmer, Flores, Tapia, Nimmo deal for Stanton. But trading d’Anaud and Wheeler for Stanton contradicts the workings of this F/O over last 2 years. I also believe that barring very freaky badd luck, Wheeler is a future ace and d’Anaud just too valuable as a very very rare premier Offensive / Dfensive Catcher. And the ‘fuiture’ for both guys, likely begins in ’13–i want it to begin as Mets.
• Just-Da-Damaja February 26, 2013 at 6:21 am

  Also….just one other note…

  we could also sign Carlos Beltran to play LF next year….

  imagine this lineup…

  1 – Kirk/Valdy – CF
  2 – Tejada – SS
  3 – Murph – 2B
  4 – Wright – 3B
  5 – Ike – 1B
  6 – Stanton – RF
  7 – Beltran – LF
  8 – Centeno – C
  • DrDooby February 26, 2013 at 7:06 am

    Assuming a Stanton deal like that never happens, Beltran may actually be exactly the type of player the Mets should add next off-season.

    Imagine a 2014 lineup like this for example:

    1) Fowler, cf (acquired in trade for, say, Syndergaard & Den Dekker)
    2) Murphy, 2b
    3) Wright, 3b
    4) Ike, 1b
    5) Beltran, rf
    6) Nieuwenhuis / Cowgill, lf
    7) d´Arnaud, c
    8) Tejada, ss

    and a rotation led by Harvey, Niese & Wheeler – plus a bunch of $$ available to spend on more upgrades…
    • Just-Da-Damaja February 26, 2013 at 7:43 am

      I think Stanton gives them a better chance to win…and I dont think Beltran signs with the mets if they dont have a good chance.

      2014 might be the year Beltran and the Yankees actually make a good fit
    • RickeyBobby February 26, 2013 at 8:37 am

      Have a little faith in Duda, he’s not the first player ever to have a sophomore slump..
• Sean February 26, 2013 at 6:45 am

  I would be ecstatic if the Mets were to somehow land Stanton, I just don’t think giving up Wheeler and D’arnaud is the right way to do it. It lowers the chances of getting him, but I just see it as moronic to trade two pieces who are supposed to be, along with David Wright, the focal point of your team for years to come.
  • Just-Da-Damaja February 26, 2013 at 7:10 am

    Im not as high on travis for several reasons.

    1 – the injury factor, which may push him off of 1B, which would seriously decline his value

    2 – age, right now, i think stanton might be younger than travis

    3 – his bat is good for a catcher….not a no doubt bat overall

    4 – his defense is also not that great. its passable

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=darnau001tra#standard_fielding::none

    his CS% rate is 25%, thats mediocre…

    nothing about his defense is that good…

    so yeah, we’re talking about a guy who might hit .280 with 15 HR for a few years before he is moved to 1B

    vs a guy who is the same age that can hit 40 HR vs MLB pitching now

    only with Met fans is this even debatable

    This is really Wheeler for Stanton

    I doubt Florida makes that move, they are going to wait for Profur and some other ranger prospects

    
• Gregg February 26, 2013 at 7:25 am

  I know I’m probably gonna get killed for this, but I respect how Loria is going about his business. Not the part where he conned the local politicians into paying for a new stadium and then pretending like he was going to spend on the team. No, there’s no defending that part.

  But the way he’s going about blowing up the team. There is no half @.$..sing this thing. Under less than one calendar year he will have traded away every high to medium salaried player he had. Along with every big league asset.

  I guess my point is, if you’re gonna dump salary and rebuild, why not do it in one swoop like the Marlins are doing. The Mets might be in a better spot today had we done the same in 2010, instead of dragging this rebuilding process out for 5-7 years.

  But of course that would result in bad press, and if there’s one thing that keeps the Wilpons up at night it’s the fear of bad press. Fred and Jeff fear the word “rebuild” like Loria fears the word “Arbitration”.
  • Just-Da-Damaja February 26, 2013 at 7:41 am

    BINGO

    “But of course that would result in bad press, and if there’s one thing that keeps the Wilpons up at night it’s the fear of bad press.”
• Christopher Masiello February 26, 2013 at 7:50 am

  I would rather keep the two prospects and grab a free agent outfielder next year. Then you get three players for similar money and stay mostly young.
• Alex68 February 26, 2013 at 8:00 am

  I saw this yesterday and my mouth started drooling, again, we’ve got what can arguably be the best player in baseball within 2 years for a potential ace, key word “POTENTIAL”. but stanton is a sure all star for years to come who in NY will be a rock star, with Ike Benjamin Davis and him hitting back to back, the mets will be a force to reckon with for years to come…
  Ohhh, and BTW, Heyman reported this, and the dushbag from MB replied back with some “What the hell are you talking about snarky” comment to heyman, of course, heyman didn’t reply back and this news came up, the sad thing about twitter, is the a guy like cerrone who all of the sudden thinks he’s a reported can engage in conversation with a well known reported and media member heyman. Some people need to understand the difference between being a reported, and having 25 seconds on TV about the mets.
• TRS86 February 26, 2013 at 8:16 am

  Man it’s tempting. I would first gut say no but Stanton is a special player. So I will say that I am fine either way but if they make the trade they have to extend him right away AND then they have to commit to spending on a 1-2 type pitcher on the FA market.
  • TX February 26, 2013 at 10:01 am

    I think I’m pretty much in this boat as well. I’d say no, preferring to keep such highly ranked C/SP combo (knowing the Polish Pummeler is several years away and the rotation will have holes with Johan and Marcum leaving next year in all likelihood). That said, having a 2-5 lineup of Murph/Wright/Ike/Stanton makes one get a little misty-eyed. Man that would be sweet.

    To me, and it’s been said above by Dr.Doobs and some others, if you can either remove both those 2 and drop about 6 prospects or remove 1 and sprinkle in some others (thinking D’arnaud, Fulmer, Tapia and someone else or D’arnaud, Flores, Fulmer and a lower level guy), then it makes complete sense. But to lose those 2 prospects, that is a tough pill to swallow.
• Craig Roth February 26, 2013 at 8:24 am

  I would make the trade for three reasons one: Travis D plays the toughest position catcher
  where you get hurt a lot, he has had a couple of injuries already in the minors and its only
  going to get worse! If the mets could move him to first or third that would work but as you
  both are blocked by Wright and Davis. second: As easy as Wheeler’s motion is you never
  know?(see generation k or washingtons ace) third: Lets not forget as good as Travis D and
  Wheeler are there both still propects until proven otherwise? Stanton is one of the best(if not
  the best) young right handed power hitters in the game who happens to play RF a position
  we really need! Byrd smerd and Baxter give me a break! Piere could be our stop gap till
  next year when some very good FA outfielders will be available or they could platoon
  Cowgill with Piere this year and Cowgill and Matt den Dekker next year(see the over the wall
  catch by Dekker last night) Deals like this don’t come around very often! As the old saying goes you have to give up something good( or as in this case great) to get something good! I’m willing to bet that Omar and Steve Phillips would have made this trade but SA doesn’t
  have the Balls!! If he couldn’t trade the 11th pick in the draft how will he ever part with
  Wheeler and Travis?
• goose February 26, 2013 at 8:24 am

  this trade is a no brainier. You know what Stanton is going to give you.. Wheeler and Travis might not amount to anything.
  • Hotstreak February 26, 2013 at 9:35 am

    I would do the trade but be aware Stanton even with his great numbers is also streaky like Ike and Wright. Yes it’s a no-brainer but Stanton is not a .330 guy. During a bad period he can be a .270 guy. But Power is Power.
• Gregg February 26, 2013 at 8:31 am

  Yes you have to extend Stanton if you get him. There is no point in trading away half the farm for this kid just to let him walk ala Reyes when he turns 28.

  Normally I think these deals don’t make sense (see KC trading Will Myers and co. for James Shields) but I think a middle of the order stud like Stanton, at 23 years old, is such a rare commodity, that if the chance is there to get him you have to do it.

  Josh Hamilton, Pujols, Wright, and Prince Fielder all got huge money in their 30′s or late 20′s. Stanton turns 24 in November. That’s your cleanup hitter for the next 7 years, which I believe is the hardest position to fill. That middle of the lineup slugger that puts fear in opposing pitchers and all of the sudden makes everyone else in your lineup look better.

  And if you give Stanton say a 7 yr 140 mill deal, that is a bargain compared to what the older guys I previously mentioned got.

  But this is all probably a pipe dream. Other teams have better prospects and, despite what Fred claims, have more money to spend.
• Gregg February 26, 2013 at 8:36 am

  But make no mistake, this is the reason why the farm system and those first round picks are so important. Not just to build your own team, but when a rare player becomes available through trade. A rare young player in this case.

  That’s really what makes trading for him a no brainer. He’s not 31, or even 28. He’s 23 years old! Not only does he contribute right away, but for the next 6-8 years as well.
• jessep February 26, 2013 at 8:53 am

  My view of this proposed rumored trade (which I doubt is really being discussed to the point Sandy would be “too scared” to make) is that if it were an actual offer – I’d do it.

  I think Wheeler and d’Arnaud are incredibly valuable. But, as I said above – there’s a difference between having two real good players and having a legitimate superstar.

  I know the Mets like guys like Plawecki and you could (if it meant Stanton) tread water behind the dish a little while longer.

  I think people forget that most MLB players by the time they turn 23 don’t have 93HR, 232 RBI and an over .900 OPS.

  One of the greatest players I ever saw was Ken Griffey Jr. In 578 games, Junior had 87 career HR, 344 RBI and an OPS of .860. That’s in 205 MORE games than Giancarlo. That doesn’t mean Giancarlo is Junior, it just means he’s special.

  You’d essentially be making Giancarlo the franchise for the next 10 years. I love the idea of Wheeler and d’Arnaud but I don’t think they are those types of players.
• Matt February 26, 2013 at 8:53 am

  *YAWN* Let me know when someone from the Mets or Marlins actually speaks of this. Trading d’arnaud would be fine, since he is injury riddled already, so it would be a matter of Wheeler for Stanton. Stanton is the right-handed power hitter the Mets so desperately need. Harvey is their future #1 starter, so Wheeler could be expendable. However, there is zero chance of this happening nor is their any validity to this rumor.

  I heard the Mets are offering to trade Johan to SNY for Ron Darling.
  • Joe D February 27, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Matt – If you actually read the post, I made several references to the veracity of the rumor. I made it clear that we shouldn’t put any stock into it, but instead let’s have some fun and consider it’s merits anyway – especially on a slow news day where we had ten different blogs about Collin Cowgill being the gritty player the team needed on MetsBlog and elsewhere. All because he scored on a play where the defense had their back to him and than any player would have score the same in similar situation. As I told Matt Cerrone in his comments yesterday, that wasn’t gritty. Any player in the MLB had to score on that play including Mo Vaughn – and he’s the last person I would call gritty.

    Thanks for commenting.
    • TRS86 February 27, 2013 at 10:31 am

      Well he did say he “ike how this guy is coming across. But, for every Lenny Dykstra there are dozens of Chris ‘the Animal’ Carters. Also, it’s just five at bats. I’m ready to celebrate a new Cult Hero, don’t get me wrong… but, for now, color me just intrigued and hopeful, and let’s leave it at that…”

      LOL. However, this was my favorite part.

      ” I still contend that this outfield will be more than fine, so long as Duda hits 20 home runs and the bullpen is at least average.”

      Uh…?

      Hmmm, I like pizza. There’s hamburger pizza, pepperoni pizza , sausage pizza and the beer is good.
• srt February 26, 2013 at 9:02 am

  Funny this rumor coincided with Loria’s comments yesterday on Stanton:

  ‘Loria says that he wants Stanton to be the centerpiece of the Marlins long-term..’

  I don’t believe either one of them. Stanton will be traded but it won’t be to the Mets.
  • Joe D February 27, 2013 at 10:13 am

    When anyone from the Marlins say something like that, it means the player is as good as gone.
• Mykey February 26, 2013 at 9:04 am

  As the saying goes: You ALWAYS trade UNPROVEN talent for a PROVEN STAR, especially one that is only 22 years old.
• oleosmirf February 26, 2013 at 9:06 am

  The inclusion of Juan Pierre lets me know this rumor is completely made up. This is textbook rumor-mongering…
• Metfan Lou February 26, 2013 at 9:07 am

  I watched the Mets game last night on MLB.TV and saw Davis hit a blast that was a few feet from clearing the outfield grasssed fan area behind the fence. Now picture this 3, 4, and 5 hitter. Stanton, Davis and Wright. Wow. Of course you can flip Wright and Stanton but that would be a middle of the order line up that other teams would fear. Build a batting order around these guys and they are all excellent defensive players too. You bet I would do the trade! It won’t get us to the promised land but it is a big hurdle accomplished to get there.If we don’rt get Stanton the Yankees will-bank on that!
  • TRS86 February 26, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Yankees have a big hurdle to clear in that I am not sure they have the prospects needed to make the trade. What they would need is for a few other teams to back out.
    • Metfan Lou February 26, 2013 at 9:21 am

      TRS86: Would the Yanks try to move A Rod and eat his salary. They want to move him out, the fans don’t want him and he lives in Miami. A Rod could be the centerpiece and I don’t know enough about the Yankee minor leagues to know who the Marlins would take? Am I crazy or what but the Marlins need a draw and A Rod may be it to finish his career in his hometown.
      • TRS86 February 26, 2013 at 9:34 am

        No way in hell with the allegations currently surrounding him. No one is taking even a penny of that contract or trading for him. Yankees are sufficiently stuck with them and it serves them right.
        • Metfan Lou February 26, 2013 at 9:36 am

          You make a lot of sense but remember you’re talking about that nut case Loria as the owner. He is rich and cunning but is still a nut case.
          • TRS86 February 26, 2013 at 10:11 am

            True, I mean don’t get me wrong, I guess in some strange circumstance you could see Aroid heading to Miami. I mean hell it gets him closer to his clinic, even though I believe it closed, but if so Stanton will not be involved.
• Ted K February 26, 2013 at 9:23 am

  I’d say stick with the Farm, but the idea of getting Stanton is amazing. I am not a big Trade your prospects for players guy, but if I were Sandy, I would give up Wheeler. I would give Wheeler, and let them pick 3 other top prospects from 3-10. I want to Keep d’arnaud though, because high ceiling catcher Talent is very hard to come by.
  I say trade wheeler because we have so much High ceiling pitching in the wings, and more in the tank, waiting for the chance. I’d probably even give up Harvey for Stanton instead of Wheeler.
  Either way, it’s up to Sandy
• Hank February 26, 2013 at 9:30 am

  The Marlins will trade Stanton, it’s a matter of when, and not if. And when they do, it’ll be for 4-6 of a team’s top ten prospects. Texas and Seattle can probably offer the best packages. The Mets would need to give up Wheeler, d’Arnaud, and probably a few from the Flores, Syndergaard, Fulmer, Montero, mold. I don’t see the Mets doing it. I think Seattle is desperate to and Texas can get it done if Profar and Olt start the trade.

  The only concern about for me as a Mets fan is whether the Marlins will have more young talent than the Mets once they trade Stanton. If that’s the case, we could be stuck in mediocrity.
  • TRS86 February 26, 2013 at 9:35 am

    To me Seattle is the perfect match.
• vinnie papandrea February 26, 2013 at 9:39 am

  Trades like this never happen when everyone knows about them guys like Heyman and Rosenthal never get the scoop on this stuff, they are just messengers for the garbage teams and agents want out there
• Wilponhata February 26, 2013 at 9:41 am

  Any chance we can get him for Flores, Syndegaard, and maybe Dillon Gee? Or Flores Syndergaard, and 2 other prospects?
  • oleosmirf February 26, 2013 at 9:54 am

    if you replace Flores with Bixler, then maybe
• Lifelongmetsfan February 26, 2013 at 9:57 am

  Stanton for Wheeler and Travis A..? NO. NO! NO! NO!
  If the Mets could not afford R.A.. Dickey what makes you think the Wilpons will pay Stanton in the in what? 4 years?
  For God’s sake! The Wilpons will not be able to afford Niese in a few years…
  or Matt Harvey when his time comes….
  No way the Mets trade Wheeler and Travis A.

  Ike Davis and say Booby Parnell + Flores or Vlespin for Stanton…… OK.
  But not Wheeler and a prime time catcher…. NO Way
  • jessep February 26, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Lifelong: The Mets trading Dickey had nothing to do with their ability to afford his contract…. it had everything to do with not wanting to commit to a player they had no idea how age could impact him. If Dickey were 26 years old, he’d be a Met today.

    The Mets would throw every dollar they could at Giancarlo to keep him here long term if they made a trade. $ wouldn’t be an issue.
• Donal February 26, 2013 at 10:03 am

  They can’t trade Juan Pierre yet. They can’t even make him PTBNL.

  I apologize profusely for bringing up a relevant fact that may go against the narrative the author is pushing.
• Russell Zanca February 26, 2013 at 10:26 am

  I don’t believe this trade will happen.
• Hitman February 26, 2013 at 10:44 am

  Wheeler? Yes. d’Arnaud? Hell no.
• DMets3 February 26, 2013 at 10:48 am

  Heeeeellllllllllll nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
• taskmaster4450 February 26, 2013 at 10:50 am

  I love how some fans like to propose the most outlandish of trades.

  How about we send Murphy, Cowgill, and Mejia for Stanton? Or Turner, Gee, and a backup SS from Brooklyn?

  Dont some people realize that the trade needs to be attractive to the other team and, even Loria, is smart enough to figure out he has a prime time commodity in Stanton? In all honesty, I am not sure Wheeler and TDA get the deal done. It might take Wheeler, TDA, and either Flores or a Fulmer type. Besides, the Marlins would be nuts to try and move him now. Wait until the trade deadline when a feeding frenzy could take place.
  • jessep February 26, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Honestly, I’d be shocked if they deal him at all. He’s under team control and young. Why trade him unless you get a no brainer offer. There aren’t many players under 23 years old who are can’t miss like Stanton is.

    The only reason to trade him is if he’s unhappy – and $ and extra stuff can change that real quick.
• TJ February 26, 2013 at 11:19 am

  I’d do it. You win with pitching, the Mets feel they have an abundance, and I wouldn’t trade it away for anything EXCEPT a young controllable annual MVP candidate-type everyday player.
• Alan from AZ February 26, 2013 at 11:47 am

  If you ask me….there are 2 chances of a deal like this happening…SLIM and NONE

  Let’s forget that Stanton is a 40 homer/100 rbi guy who’s gonna hit .275 -.290. yes, he could be awesome if he isn’t already!

  To think that the Mets would send Zack Wheeler and Travis D’ Arnaud packing without ever playing an inning for us and who are considered can’t miss guys is CRAZY. On top of that you acquired them at the expense of losing Carlos Beltran and R.A. Dickey. Doing this would be CERTIFIABLE.

  In essence you would have traded Beltran, Dickey, Thole, Nickeas, Wheeler and D’ Arnaud for Stanton, Pierre, Buck and Syndergard.

  HOAX ? UTTER BULLSHIT? WHAT ELSE CAN WE CALL THIS IDEA?

  No disrespect to those less fortunate…but this trade would be RETARDED and is not possible !
  • TRS86 February 26, 2013 at 11:50 am

    You forgot the no shot in hell.
  • Just-Da-Damaja February 26, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    no,

    its trading beltran and dickey for Geovanni stanton, Noah Syndergaard and outfielder Wuilmer Becerra.

    basically

    a generational type hitter…

    a potential top 20 SP

    and another OF

    thats pretty good to me
• Flowbee Rida February 26, 2013 at 11:55 am

  Let’s look at this logically. The rumor apparently began with Juan Pierre’s agent’s company.Pierre is a recently signed free agent and cannot be traded for months after signing as a free agent. Not only is that MLB rules it also looks bad again for a team that is known for trading its signed free agents. But if Pierre is not involved in the rumor apparently came from SFX…Pierre’s agent,than it has to be false. The deal doesn’t exist, because it cant,so we can talk about all we like but the reality of it is this rumor has no legs and is not even worth discussing. Question is, whoever made this up doesn’t know baseball rules that were put in place to prevent sign and trades.
  • TRS86 February 26, 2013 at 11:58 am

    I think he can be traded with player consent.
  • TRS86 February 26, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    “A rule that is part of the Basic Agreement could be utilized so that some of the remaining Type A free agents on the market can join new teams without draft-pick compensation going to their old teams, a top Major League Baseball official told MLB.com on Tuesday.

    The sign-and-trade rule allows a free agent to waive a no-trade period in the agreement if he consents to the deal in writing.”

    “Teams can’t normally trade a newly signed free agent until after June 15 of the following season, unless the player gives written consent.

    “We do think it’s possible to effectuate a sign-and-trade consistent with the Basic Agreement,” said Rob Manfred, MLB’s executive vice president of labor relations and human resources. “The player would have to give an advance waiver of the right not to be traded.”
    • Flowbee Rida February 26, 2013 at 1:03 pm

      The question is, WHY would Pierre consent to this?
      The more important question is, why has no writer of any known level of reputation even vaguely addressed this. Surely Heyman, Stark, Rosenthal, etc have slightly better contacts, even at SFX than “Roto Experts” has. It just seems a bit “made up” to me….i think some fact-checking and source checking should be in order here before we beat the Mets/Sandy up over a deal that probably never was in the works or even discussed.
      • TRS86 February 26, 2013 at 1:05 pm

        Oh I agree it’s WAY out there and most likely has aboslutely no legs whatsoever. Lt. Dan would run circles around this rumor.
• wasadeyo February 26, 2013 at 12:57 pm

  Stanton is a beast but to me appears to be injury prone. By trading away that many elite prospects at premium positions is foolish. It creates a top heavy organization and diminishes the depth that is needed because injuries and bad luck have to be accounted for. We should learn the lessons from past experiences to win consistently the right way.
• Connor O'Brien February 26, 2013 at 3:09 pm

  If it’s d’Arnaud and Wheeler, I wouldn’t do it. It it’s ANY other prospect package, I’d do it.
• DMets3 February 26, 2013 at 4:40 pm

  I would like Stanton on the Mets lineup but I wouldn’t trade away Wheeler and d’Arnaud for him though. That would be a suicide trade if this goes through.
• Metsie February 26, 2013 at 5:13 pm

  No way do I believe Sandy gives them both up for Stanton….

  And I’m not sure he would have to….

  Stanton is great but I don’t ever see Sandy giving away the only reasonable work he has done over the past two year just to get him….

  I could see them trading Wheeler but not D’Arnaud….

  Replace him with Flores and Plawlecki and it makes much more sense.
  They get two positional players, Someone to tout now that Ramirez is gone and a highly picked Catcher. Hell I would throw in Snydergaard too

  But who can say they would go for that…

  All I know is that having Stanton at the loss of the one guy who could make up for the current loss of Dickey and the future loss of Santana and we would appear to be back where we were two years ago only cheaper….

  Some might call that progress and yes Stanton will be usefill longer than Beltran would have been with plus performance but it would seem to suggest we are another 3 years away after trading the two best kids who can contribute over that time period…
  We will then be waiting for the Fulmers, snydergaards and Plawkeckis to get through the system…About 2-3 years….
• Peter February 26, 2013 at 5:39 pm

  I think they can get a deal done next off season with the package I suggested 2 months ago, Syndergaurd, Flores, one of Montero Tapia Fullmer or Mateo, Plawecki and or Cecchini. I do not think the Mets should trade a guy like Wheeler right now. They should go all in for Stanton but hold off on D’arnaud and Wheeler. Another draft and deadline deals further the likely hood of them being able to pull it off.
• Jason C. February 26, 2013 at 6:50 pm

  As many nice things that I hear about Wheeler, as a lifelong Mets fan, I NEVER believe the hype on a Mets prospect. While I would “try” to include other players as these are two of the future pieces we as Mets fans have been promised, if there’s no other options for Florida, I believe you have to make this move. Stanton fits well into the 4 hole, protecting Wright (our biggest investment) for as long as we can convince him to stay here for.
• tlagee February 26, 2013 at 7:29 pm

  I agree with the ‘bird in the hand’ comment.

  Stanton would create buzz and put rear ends in the seats.

  As good as Wheeler is suppose to be, he ain’t done it yet. Losing the kid catcher would hurt more because of the lack of catchers – but with a hitter like Stanton – you could go with Buck for the time being.

  Do it if it’s offered.
  • Hitman February 26, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Go with Buck for the whole season is lunacy/idiocy at best. You DO NOT trade someone with the tools like d’Arnaud when you have an otherwise mediocre catching depth from top to bottom. There’s a lot better offers you can do than to drop d’Arnaud.
    • tlagee February 26, 2013 at 9:10 pm

      Firstly, d’Arnard has yet to play a major league inning. Secondly he is injured often – playing only two full minor league seasons out of five.

      Will he be good? Maybe. Will he be healthy? Maybe.

      Has Stanton done it already? Yup
      • Hitman February 26, 2013 at 9:49 pm

        It still doesn’t make any sense to give up a player at a premium position that the Mets NEED in the infield. So what if he has yet to play a major league inning yet? He’s at the brink of making the major leagues as it is. Despite the fact that he’s been hurt, it never hurt his stock being the centerpiece of two huge trades in the past, now has it? Besides, we’ve had guys before that’s been injury prone but was still effective in the big leagues (Reyes).

        I’d rather have Stanton + d’Arnaud as cornerstones.
        • tlagee February 27, 2013 at 4:39 pm

          Hey Hitman.

          Yeah – I’d rather have Stanton and D’Arnaud as cornerstones. (Hell, since you brought Reyes up, I’d rather have Jose as one of the cornerstones too).

          All I’m saying is that if Stanton is available for Wheeler and D’Armaud and only for those two, I would make the deal.

          It doesn’t mean that I don’t want D’Armaud or Wheeler – it’s just that I think that Stanton is more valuable right now than the two of them.
          • METS62FAN February 28, 2013 at 8:24 am

            TL, MY FRIEND WE AGREE IN FACTS; BUT NOT IN PRINCIPLE AS U R CHOOSING TO ONLY LOOK @ 2013 WHILE, I’VE GROWN WEARY OF THIS NYM HIT & RUN APPROACH TOWARDS CONTENTION. TO ME IT SPELLS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MARLINS’ & METS’ APPROACH OF ONE & DONE WITH STL’S REGULARITY OF MEANINGFULNESS.DESPITE STAR INJURY, AGAINST ALL-ODDS.
            TL, CONSIDER THE MISERABLE TRACK RECORDS THESE METS HAVE ESTABLISHED IMMEDIATELY AFTER MEANINGFULNESS OF ’73,’88 & ’00.

            IN THE 3 SEASONS AFTER ’73 THE COMBINED RECORD WAS 239-247
            IN THE 3 SEASONS AFTER ’88 THE COMBINED RECORD WAS 255-230
            IN THE 3 SEASONS AFTER ’00 THE COMBINED RECORD WAS 223-261
            THOSE SEASONS BROUGHT 2 FIFTH PLACES, 2 SIXTH[LAST]PLACES, 2 SECONDS & 2 THIRDS. CABISH?

            THOSE MISERIES ARE WHAT MAKING DEALS THINKING ONLY OF TODAY’S RESULTS GET YOU., PERSONALLY BEFORE I CHOOSE TO IMPROVE FOR ’13,14 & PERHAPS ’15, I’D PREFER TO ENSURE POSITIVES FOR 2015-2020!

            TODAY?
            2 STANTONS ADDED DON’T GET U NEAR THE WS! CASE U 4GOT IT’S PITCHING DEPTH THAT WINS PLAYOFF SERIES; NOT BIG FEARED BOPPERS. JUST ASK NYY FANS, EVERYWHERE!
            • tlagee February 28, 2013 at 6:58 pm

              Hey METS62FAN – How are you old buddy?

              Well, how old is Stanton? 22years old. So am I really just thinking about 2013?

              I reckon if there is a stud who is available and some team is stupid enough to trade him then you jump on it.

              Sometimes you have to look at it the other way, as some posters have pointed out. If the Mets had Stanton – at 22 – would we trade him for Wheeler and D’Arnaud? I think at least 85% of fans would honestly answer no.

              I understand that you want to build up arms on the team. For instance, if I was Toronto and had a 20 game winner who just received the Cy Young – would I trade him for a oft injured minor league catcher and an A pitcher?

              So if I was that concerned about building up arms, Dickey would still be on the team.
              • METS62FAN March 1, 2013 at 7:43 am

                OK, TL, LET ME TURN YOUR SUPPOSITION AROUND. SINCE STANTON IS ONLY 22 & STILL YRS AWAY FROM ARBITRATION WHY IS HE ON THE BLOCK & NOT BEING BUILT AROUND AS THE LAST REMAINING CROWD PLEASER IN MIAMI? WHAT DOES LORIA SUSPECT THAT WE DO NOT KNOW? IS THIS MAGIC BEANS FOR AN OLD CRIPPLED COW OR THE WINNING LOTTERY #?
                EITHER WAY, ONLY IF I BELIEVE THAT WITH STANTON ADDED TO HARVEY OVER A FULL SEASON CAN I MAKE THIS ROSTER A CONTENDER Vs. ATL,PHL,DC! MY ANSWER SIMPLY IS, IMO, STANTON ALONE DOESN’T BRIDGE THE GAP; BUT HARVEY+WHEELER+d’ARNOUD SURELY APPEARS 2 B A MORE PROMISING BRIDGE

                TL, PRESUME WE MAKE THAT DEAL AND 2015 HAS A ROTAION OF HARVEY-NIESE-FULMER-SYNDERGARD-GEE FOR EXAMPLE SUPPORTED BY A 3,4,5 OF WRIGHT,DAVIS,STANTON—OR—

                WE DON’T JUMP THE TRACKS ABANDONING “THE PLAN” & ENTER ’15 WITH HARVEY-WHEELER-NIESE-SYNDERGAARD-GEE SUPPORTED BY MURPHYDAVIS,WRIGHT IN 3,4,5
                AS THIS IS A PRESUMPTION & NOT AN ASSUMPTION, THE RULES DIFFERENTIATING THE 2, PRESCRIBES PRESUMING ALL PLAYERS INVOLVED PERFORM @ THEIR ESTABLISHED NORMS/EXPECTATIONS.
                PERHAPS AFTER 162 THE DIFFEERENCE BETWEEN THE 2 CONSIDERATIONS IS NOT AS SIGNIFICANT AS THOUGHT; BUT IN A SHORT, CONSTRICTED PLAYOFF SERIES MY MONEY AS ALWAYS RIDES WITH THE STRONGER STAFF OVER THE STRONGER LINEUP.
                WHERE’S YOUR MONEY?
                • Metsie March 1, 2013 at 11:42 am

                  Loria suspects that Stanton has a bit more credibility and PR clout with the fanbase than he does!
                  And he is already under fire so he doesn’t need a guy like Stanton feeding that fire with fresh Kindling making his life miserable.

                  Since Stanton on his own isn’t enough to win it is safe to say he will think the way many here thought two years ago…Can’t Win WITH him might as well lose WITHOUT him and maybe what we get back makes people forget.
                  • METS62FAN March 1, 2013 at 12:15 pm

                    METSIE, CAN U IMAGINE THE FIRESTORM NY PRESS FLAMETHROWERS WILL CREATE IF STANTON REPRISES HIS TWITTER EXPOSE’S BAD ENOUGH. BOTH OF FL’s PAPERS EDITORIALIZED HIM INTO MARTYRDOM @ THE PILLORY HIS UNFETERED COMMENTARY TENDANCIES COULD CERTAINLY RIVAL “THE ROCKER FILES” COMBINE THAT WITH THE THE GIANCARLO/MIKE FLIP/FLOP & THE KID MAY GET GREGG JEFFRIED OUT ON A RAIL REGARDLESS OF HIS PROFICIENCIES THAT MAY SUDDENLY WILT UNDER INESCAOPABLE HARASSMENT. AS GIANCARLO “MIKES” UP FOR A STANTON MONOLOGUE ON WHATEVER SELFISH PERSPECTIVE THE PRESS PULLS HIS STRINGS & PRESSES HIS BUTTONS ON.

                    ALL IN ALL IT HAS ALL THE EARMARKS OF A TREMENDOUS CLUSTER **** RESULTING IN HIS NEEDING TO CALL WILLIE RANDOLPH FOR PRESS TIPS WHILE ACCEPTING HITTING POINTERS FROM DUDA [LMAO]
                  • Metsie March 1, 2013 at 1:11 pm

                    LOL Yes if he did here what he did in Florida it would be a very big story!

                    Similar to what happened to poor Dickey when he said similar things on his twitter when guys got traded and then had the GALL to answer a direct question from the Wilpon owned TV network and Employee regarding his contract status that was the main reason why they decided to trade him in the end….

                    But in Stanton’s defense he was pretty quiet when most of those trades were being made and he waited until the season was over so as not to distract the scraps that were left still playing baseball.

                    I don’t get the sense he would be all that much of a PR problem for the Mets and while he certainly won’t play the Company Parrot the way Wright does he is not really a guy who is outspoken in the press until the Fire Sale happend….
                    Which I deem circumstantial….

                    But your right if he did here what he did there it would be a story for a month! and Cover the backpages for at least a week!
      • METS62FAN February 27, 2013 at 9:13 am

        MY DEAR OLD FRIEND, PERHAPS WE SHOULD JUST CONSIDER THIS AHYPOTHETICAL EXERCISE AS YESTERDAY ON DNL, ANDY MARTINO CLEARLY REPORTED THE NYM FO WAS NOT ACTIVLY INVOLVE IN TALKS CONCERNING THE OUTFIELD UPGRADE.
        BE THAT AS IT MAY, THIS NOW GIVES ME THE SUPREME OPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY & ALL PROPONENTS OF THIS DEAL, IF IT EXISTED, TO ANSWER THIS HYPOTHETICAL I’LL PROPOSE HERE… IF U WERE GUARANTEED BOTH WHEELER & d’ARNOUD WOULD FULLY DEVELOP & PRODUCE AS ADVERTISED & CURRENTLY PROJECTED AND STANTON WOULD IMPROVE UPON HIS AVG GAMES PLAYED. DO U STILL PULL THAT HAIR TRIGGER?YEAH OR NAY.

        I’L BEGIN BY VOTING & REMAINING A NAY! VOTE WHY? SIMPLY BECAUSE I VALUE PREMIUM PLAYERS AT 2 HIGHLY SKILLED POSITIONS OF “ACE” SP & ALLSTAR CATCHER HIGHER THAN I VALUE A SUPREME SLUGGING OUTFIELDER WITH MODEST SPEED & SUSPECT PUBLIC DEMEANOR.
        • tlagee March 1, 2013 at 9:05 pm

          The problem with that hypothetical is that it’s a hypthetical.

          Stanton is already doing it on a major league level – the other two haven’t.
          • METS62FAN March 2, 2013 at 10:21 am

            TRULY, MY OLD FRIEND, I CERTAINLY THOUGHT WE BOTH WERE BEYOND THE PETTINESS OF SPELLING CONCERNS & BOTH OF US HAD ACCEPTED THE PRIMARY MISSION HERE WAS TO COMMUNICATE OUR POSITIOBNS/OPINIONS ON ALL THINGS PERTAINING TO NY METS! NOT PARTICIPATE IN SOME SPELLING BEE.

            N.B aka NOTE BENE LATIN FOR PLEASE NOTICE…
            U WERE SO PREOCCUPIED FILLING IN FOR A WEBSTER, NOAH OR DANIEL THAT U NEGLECTED TO INDICATE YOUR PREFERENCE:

            A) DEAL 2 GUARANTEED TO PERFORM KIDS FOR 1 YOUNF STUD VETEWRAN WITH AVG DEFENSIVE ABILITIES

            OR

            B) NOT.
            • tlagee March 2, 2013 at 4:50 pm

              Mate -

              Spelling? you lost me there.
              • Joe D March 2, 2013 at 5:16 pm

                tlagee – Please email me. I’ve been trying to contact you, but I think I must have the wrong email.

                You won our contest last week!

                I’d like to send you your prize.
                • tlagee March 2, 2013 at 7:01 pm

                  ok mate – just emailed you. Let me know if you don’t get it. The email you have on file is still active.
              • METS62FAN March 3, 2013 at 10:49 am

                AGE, IS THAT NOT YOUR MONIKER POSTING AN EWRROPNEOUS CORRECTIONN TO MY SPELLING OF H Y P O T H E T I C A L?

                SINCE I WAS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN BOTH MY SPELLING & CONTENT USAGE, MAY I RECOMMEND U LEAVE FUITURE SPELLING ISSUES TO THE PROFESSIONALS [LMAO,MY FRIEND, AS I SMIRK PULLING YR RIPCORD]
• Sach February 26, 2013 at 7:49 pm

  I think this rumor is true. Does anybody actually believe the lying Loria who says that he wants Stanton to be the centerpiece on the Marlins long term or that Stanton wants to remain with the Marlins long term? HaHa! I say no to Wheeler or Harvey and D’Arnaud, But maybe Sandy can sell the Marlins on a prospect package from amongst Montero, Fulmer, Tapia, Flores, Puello, Plawecki, MDD, Kirk or Spin – 5 of those guys and then I say yeah. As for Pierre, he can be traded with his consent and the Mets and Marlins have made a whole bunch of trades in the past in the same division for Piazza, Leiter, Delgado and LoDuca.
• Just-Da-Damaja February 26, 2013 at 8:33 pm

  if we already had stanton….there is no way in hell we would trade him for wheeler and travis !
  • TJ February 26, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Are you sure? Sandy’s been trading stars for prospects since he got here.
    • METS62FAN February 28, 2013 at 8:30 am

      TJ, HOW ELSE DO U IMPROVE IF YOUR FINANCES ARE COMMITTED ELSEWHERE?

      MINAYA ALREADY TRIED THE BUY IT APPROACH

      NO MET FO SICE THE 60s HAS TRIED THE PATIENT WATER & FERTILIZE METHODS OF HOME AGRICULTURE. EVEN FRANK,’PRAISE, THE LORD’ CASHEN LOST PATIENCE TRYING TO FIRST BUY WINFIELD THEN FOSTER UNTIL FOSTER EVENTUALLY CLOGGEDE THE IMPROVMENT SCALES.
• Zack Wheeler and Jenrry Mejia: A tale of two pitchers | Paul's Random Baseball Stuff February 26, 2013 at 10:53 pm

  [...] Wheeler is even still part of the Mets organization by Opening Day… there were reports of a rumored trade proposal that would send him and catcher Travis d’Arnaud to the Marlins for slugging outfielder [...]
• Markcomic1 February 27, 2013 at 1:01 am

  I wouldn’t give them Wheeler but would totally give them Syndergaard, another promissing pitched and another catcher..idk I would like to see Travis as a met. Also who wants Juan Pierre? ewwwwwwwww
• Metsie February 27, 2013 at 1:29 am

  You know it just dawned on me that Sandy said immediatly after the Dickey trade was made that he was talking a deal for Dickey with some other team but they didn’t want just Dickey but the second he got D’Arnaud and Snydergaard they wanted to make the trade for both of them….

  And I’m wondering if maybe this rumor is that!
  I’m going to pretty much stay out of this discussion because I’m done chasing ghosts of this FO and because if it’s such a good deal and it’s a real offer it would have been made already….

  So I’m just going to wait till this door closes and the draft goes away.
• heemtj February 28, 2013 at 9:35 pm

  For either of the two, yes. For both, not a chance.
• brit March 3, 2013 at 9:17 pm

  Just one question: did Stanton make the Marlins a winner? Answer: No.

  Still, it is tempting, but I’m sure this is all a fabrication. And I agree with the other comments that I would rather give up TWO other hot prospects than deal a future ace.