Comments on: Despite Wanting To Compete, Almost No Chance Santana Will Play In WBC

By: SaltyGary

SaltyGary — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:13:26 +0000

Off Topic:

In what is an amazing and probably unintentional troll move, trying to go to the MMO chat page leads the person directly to a smiling picture of Sandy. Well played Joe D.

By: ifthevansrockin

ifthevansrockin — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 21:32:53 +0000

the concern (in theory) is that they will start earlier, and try to ramp it up quicker. So instead of structured build up, they will more “jump into the fire”. Plus, the odds are they will get pumped up and overthrow in a game for national pride, as opposed to a “get in some work” ST game vs. the Pirates.

so while ultimately the total # of innings may not be much different, it is how they get there that is.

By: jessep

jessep — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 21:14:44 +0000

you’re right and the WBC has very strict innings rules.

By: oleosmirf

oleosmirf — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 21:08:30 +0000

The idea that a player is more likely to get injured in a WBC game than a ST game is complete nonsense.

He’s going to be pitching regardless of whether its the WBC, Grapefruit League, split squad or minor league game. The chance of injury is the same regardless of how “hard they try”

By: Hotstreak

Hotstreak — Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:33:24 +0000

Joe

Is that yours “NY Mets Report”. I by chance found it on the web and like it. I especially liked the non-super star free agents we did not sign.

By: Paul

Paul — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:34:13 +0000

It is not that people disagree that disgusts me, it’s the mindset of the common Mets’ fan. Bitter. Get over it. Enjoy the WBC, cheer for Johan.
Maybe if people in this town treated its players better, they would show some soft of loyalty that you are looking for.
You wonder why you are always disappointed with the Mets – it is a self fulfilling prophecy. For the past few years fans have nothing good to say, and anyone who hints at something positive is crushed by others here on the forums.
You should be cheering Johan Santana on for competing in something that is important to him. As long as this kind of thinking continues to persist, the Mets will not be winning anything anytime soon.
Blaming the WBC on Oliver Perez is nonsense, he is a head case at best. And if the WBC is a waste, then certainly most of Spring Training is also a waste.
And by the way, we are the terrorists in this world buddy. Be glad your not in another country getting attacked by a predator drone cause a “suspected terrorist” might be in the area.

By: JeffMcKnight'sGlasses

JeffMcKnight'sGlasses — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:20:40 +0000

That seems unnecessarily harsh. I don’t think its fair to question his commitment to the Mets just b/c he wants to pitch in the WBC. If he thought it was some big risk, he probably wouldn’t do it. Even if we were to be that cynical and say he doesn’t care about the Mets (which doesn’t seem to be true)…he’d have other motives ($$$$$) for skipping the WBC if he thought it would hurt him. If it impacts his health or his season – that would effect the kind of contract he gets at the end of this season.

I’d rather he not do it for some of the reasons you said – I’d rather he not throw those extra pitches/not start his prep any earlier than he has to. But I wouldn’t “lose respect” for him or question his commitment to the Mets for playing in the WBC… I think its cool that Johan and others actually do want to play in the tournament.

And really even the talk of the Mets being burned by the WBC – with Wright, Perez, Putz – is a bit exaggerated and not really relevant to Santana. Ollie’s problem was that he got off schedule and didn’t throw enough, Putz was damaged goods and had the bone spur before coming to the Mets, and Wright fouled a ball off his foot – something that can just as easily happen in ST as the WBC. Half the team got hurt in ST last year. As long as players are smart about things and don’t try to push it if they aren’t ready or “play through” an injury they wouldn’t play though in ST it shouldn’t be a big deal.

By: jessep

jessep — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:54:50 +0000

The WBC adjusted pitch count max’s for this year so pitchers are on an even stricter diet of throwing. I really don’t have a problem with anybody joining their country’s team in WBC. If they are gonna get hurt, it will happen anyway. The players and coaches are wise enough to know how far they need to push themselves in the WBC. Next thing you know we’ll be getting mad that players play in spring games.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:30:10 +0000

He only looks better because he has McKnight’s Glasses on improving his vision…..

By: Joe D

Joe D — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:25:39 +0000

If people you disagree with regarding baseball disgusts you, I can recommend a good shrink. You may want to tone it down and try taking an adult approach. You may find that baseball is a pastime and that your disgust should be reserved for terrorists, pedophiles, and murderers.

By: Paul

Paul — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:13:32 +0000

I don’t understand all the complaining. Why would you want a player not to compete in the WBC.

The first argument is it means nothing – just an exhibition. But the WBC is just a place for athletes to compete – just like the MLB season. It is entertainment. I will enjoy seeing Santana and any other Met in the WBC, and live with the results. Yes, we love when the Mets win – but it doesn’t change anything about you life, you don’t stand to make a dime off of it – how about enjoying the season and find things to complain about the effect you, like our shitty government.

Another thing is this babying of players. People are so scared of injuries that they make the players miss time to avoid missing time. Injuries are unpredictable at best – just let the players play and see what happens.

I am sick of people on this site, you disgust me to be a fellow fan.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:13:23 +0000

Very True JDD….

And to ask Johan to be the ONLY one on that team is probably what led to his injuries that he has had lately….

Johan is a competitor, NO ONE can dispute that!
And Johna did everything he could AND MORE to try and keep this team in the playoffs. That AND MORE is what stressed his body out and caused injuries.

They needed another good #2 Pitcher to take some of the load from him. Then maybe he wouldn’t have pitched like he was trying to get two wins in one outing.

And the fact that others got hurt really killed us not what we paid him.
Johan will always be a good signing in my book. If his salary seems wasted now it’s because of what everyone around him did not his own doing.

By: MetsWatchman

MetsWatchman — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:42:30 +0000

Agreed JDD…….the Mets signed a great pitcher to great money and then failed to field a team that would get him some run support, or a bullpen to effectively save his games. Shame on them for not protecting their investment and having it translate into team W’s. He pitched brilliantly the first few years and was a joy to watch.

By: RickeyBobby

RickeyBobby — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:07:48 +0000

Santana playing WBC is like Strasburg declaring he wants to play WBC and forgo pitching in the playoffs. Santana obviously broke down early last season because he had a tired arm, in part because he worked so hard to be ready by opening day, his spring training started in Dec last season. We just lost a cy young award winner and 220 innings, the last thing we need is Santana prepping for WBC to lose him to a tired arm again late summer.

I think his massive contract should come into his decision making since he was unhealthy for a big part of it..you would think the right thing to do is be more committed to your job and organization that you are being paid by, not to mention a fan base that want to watch you play, healthy !!

I like Santana a lot, awesome competitor/guy/teammate..but if he goes to WBC ill lose a lot of respect or him

By: jerseymet

jerseymet — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:02:13 +0000

So let me get this straight….last year Dickey climbed the mountain to do- as he saw it – Gods work. The Wilpons made it clear, that to do so, Dickey proceeded at his own peril. Now Santanta, a national Hero, wishes to add extra innings to the 2013 season.

The crux of this article is insurance….will it Guarantee that Johan will pitch in September?

Wipoons, channel your inner Madoff. This insurance could get you out of Santana’s horrible contract.

By: ifthevansrockin

ifthevansrockin — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 04:07:30 +0000

and I hear much better looking.

By: ifthevansrockin

ifthevansrockin — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 04:06:11 +0000

well, first of all, you need to read more. I have done the analysis a few times, but for you, will do a nickle version again.

I was looking at the 5 games after his No No. I stopped there because the game after that was where he was trampled, effectively ending his season (I really thought that ankle was broken).

5 games, 30 IP (6/start), 3.6 ERA, 1.23 whip, 25Ks. So, not quite what he had been doing, but very solid #s.

However, that includes the 1st game back, on ill advised extra rest (johan and TC both admitted that hurt him).

take that out, and the next 4 games (rest of July, up to trample game): 25 IP (6.25/game), 20Ks, 3-1 record, 1.16 WHIP and a 2.16 ERA. IOW, he was pitching at a Cy Young level.

going into the no no, his season ERA was 2.75. At the end of the 5th game after, it was 2.76.

So yes, based on my memory, supported by these #s, I stand by my statement that after the No No, he was cruising right along, pitching quite well.

By: Matt

Matt — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 03:50:58 +0000

“He was pitching very well even after his no hitter,”…Probably the most inaccurate statement in the history of this site…however, I guess all opinions are different. To me, the following 2 games after his no-no where he gave up 10 earned runs in 10 innings pitched with 4 HRs allowed would be the opposite of pitching “very well.” But, like I said, everyone’s opinions differ.

By: ifthevansrockin

ifthevansrockin — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 01:34:40 +0000

thank you Tom Glavine!

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:51:30 +0000

He’s not allowed to participate being that he spent the end of the season on the DL. That’s a Rule. Either a WBC rule or a MLB rule, I’m not sure which one but I do know he can’t do it even if he wanted to.