About as true as Davis Dancing the night away and being uncoachable!

For example, why would the mets report that Dickey’s contract can be voided if he gets hurt climbing that mountain.

Dickey is well aware of that.

In terms of public perception, Dickey looks like Ghandi…while the mets look like a-holes….

just not saying anything sometimes is better than saying something.

And forget this durability angle alltogether…Kids get hurt just as often as older guys do…
In fact we traded a guy who was relatively healthy and could pitch throug whatever injuries he may have had for a kid who plays catcher and has Knee and Back Injury history….

You think those issues are going to get better or worse when he crouches behind the plate?

And lets get something straight here about d’Arnaud…He may be the best catching prospect to some (he isn’t as far as BA’s list is concerened as he is #3 or 4 and just ready sooner than those ahead of him…
But not even his most OPTIMISTIC ceiling puts him anywhere near the top tier where a guy like Posey is….
He is no Piazza or Bench…He’s just one of the few Catchers that doesn’t completely suck with the bat.
And hence he gets highly rated compared to all the others who are there becauase it’s one of the few remaining positions where of you can show defense the bat gets overlooked.

All the good athletes avoid becoming a catcher these days due to the rigors of the position.
So an ELITE Catcher these days is about what an average or below average catcher was back in the day when Piazza and Bench played.

Unfortunatly for him he can’t trade the press or the fans which is why the WE ARE CLOSE act came out….They have done the baseball they planned on doing now it’s onto the marketing to get someone to go see what little they got (which is true for Bourn as well)

If Dickey was not going to help in the next 3 years then neither is d’Arnaud and we already know it will take roughly three years for anyone else in that deal to get here so they sure haven’t changed a thing about the next three years either….

The problem is FANS thought (or wanted to believe) the next three years were going to be good ones but every move Sandy has made save the signing of Wright says differently…

If something was close to happening in the next three years you would have signed Reyes, Kept Dickey to be there for it.The arguments around here over what Sandy is doing never seem to be about the CONCEPT of building from within…It’s all about the TIMELINE it’s expected to take to get it done…

Some are under the misguided belief that it only take 5-6 years to do but thats only if you start off as the worst team with the top picks to start it off then trade away whatever talent you have to augment it.

We have not made those top picks yet….Start the 5-6 year clock the day we get one and hope we get at least two or you won’t get enough….

Sandy KNOWS this but he is selling this crap to try to avoid the plummet in attendance thats going to happen while he goes about doing what he is doing…He knows Phillips is right about rebuilding in NY!

So yes Dickey wouldn’t have helped in the next three years under the plan here….But we are NO CLOSER to winning in the next 3 years than we were with him. We are still on that 6 year clock starting next year MAYBE this year….

The issue is not that Sandy thinks these kids are going to get him more than Dickey…It’s that most of that deal is 3 years away where he HOPES by then he has collected a couple of top 10 picks to go with them….

d’Arnaud is a selling point for the NOW crowd and will get seasoning over the next 3-4 years so he is hopefully at his peak when the rebuild is finally done….

This move was all about the ledger and the future and is proof positive that Sandy doesn’t buy what many here do that something good is coming in the next 3 years….
If it does it will come from the draft and they MAY buy a piece here or there when money opens up but everything he has done so far pointys to WAY WAY in the future not the next three years.

Point is you gave UP pitching to get the MAYBE….
So it’s tough to say you gained in the pitching department as that is a very tall glass Snydergaard has to fill before you can no longer say we weakened the pitching…..

I would dare say having a guy like Dickey who could start three games in a WS does more than just a dearth of pitching in general….

It will take a heavy price but whatever it is stated at now is just wishful thinking on the part of the Marlins.
He will be unhappy (already has made noise) and at some point they will be forced to move him for whatever price they can get if they are tired with dealing with the attitude he will exhibit.

No one is doubting or claiming Snydergaard isn’t a good kid to have….

but as you said…FAR AWAY….

We gave up a pretty damn good pitcher who was Cy Young and half the price of any other Cy Young winner in the game today….

And all we got was one MLB ready kid and a Salary burden for this year and next out of it.

As I have said many times, If we get Gose in that deal then I like it because Gose removes the need to go after (and pay) a Bourn, Helps right away AND years down the road.

We have the 11th pick in this draft…we could easily get a Snydergaard with that pick that will be ready maybe a year or two more in the far away dept without the trade.

So I believe if they had gotten Gose instead then the trade would have been worth doing…They didn’t…They got more pitching, far away and maybe not even needed….

As for getting Stanton I don’t see how Snydergaard helps in that endeavor at all…They still are going to want to get a lot more than that.

Anyway, there is no situation where the Mets are getting Stanton in a trade from the Marlins so we are wasting our time.

The reason Stanton is a “no go” is because the Marlins are looking for two “top 10″ prospects in return and another 2 or 3 decent prospects, but they also want one of the two top ten to be a top hitting prospect like Myers from the Rays. It’s rumored that the Rays may actually be considering flipping Myers — which again shows you the value of the “currency” Alderson speaks of. I’m sure if the Mets threw D’Arnaud into the equation the Marlins might be interested.

Obviously not since it took more than Snydergaard to get Dickey….

If Snydergaard can get you Stanton then why aren’t we going aftter him instead of wasting our time on Bourn?
Stanton helps right NOW…Bourn merely helps them keep thier head above .500 water…
Then again if Snydergaard was so good then why didn’t the Marlins get him in the first place when they sent half thier team to toronto?

“If you believe Sandy then the thing that made us NOT CLOSE was Thole and since we upgraded Thole we are now contenders….Please…. ”

Well, there is a lot of data out there that shows how having an elite backstop is by far the single greatest variable in determining whether a team is playoff bound. Now I’m not saying having D’Arnaud means we’re headed for the post season, but a solid backstop has a huge impact, it’s a game changer. Consider for a moment the Giants with and without Posey (Giants 2011 vs Giants 2012). Look at how the Twins have fared when Mauer’s been injured. Would the Cards be the same team without Molina?

But beyond that, Dickey didn’t just net D’Arnaud, he got us Syndegaard (the currency Sandy speaks of — for instance what if Syndegaard helps us land Stanton or some other established player?) … the Dickey trade by all accounts was a coup for the Mets … I guess even this kid (the outfielder) in the trade is supposed to be decent.