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	<title>Comments on: Andres Torres and Ramon Ramirez Come Full Circle</title>
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		<title>By: sfg fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>sfg fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 03:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[agree with that.  you guys will be happy with Wheeler for a long time.  Giants fans are grateful for the Pagan trade and if Torres could contribute as an excellent defensive platoon with Blanco and Ramirez is anything close to his old self for a few years, we&#039;ll call it even.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agree with that.  you guys will be happy with Wheeler for a long time.  Giants fans are grateful for the Pagan trade and if Torres could contribute as an excellent defensive platoon with Blanco and Ramirez is anything close to his old self for a few years, we&#8217;ll call it even.  <img src='http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SheawasBetter</title>
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		<dc:creator>SheawasBetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who cares about two guys that were horrible on the Mets?

Not every one is built for NY.  The bright lights blind plenty of folks.  Just cause you can make it in San Fran, doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;ll conquer NY.  The reverse however is much easier.

I wouldn&#039;t be shocked if both thrived again in Frisco and I won&#039;t be upset about it.  Some players can&#039;t handle the pressure.  Pagan would never be a 40 million dollar player here.  

Yes, he had a couple good seasons in Queens, but not worth 40 million.  This trade went sour, but not every trade works out.  Frisco got the better that time.  It still pales in comparison to the Wheeler deal which has a chance to pay off for years and years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares about two guys that were horrible on the Mets?</p>
<p>Not every one is built for NY.  The bright lights blind plenty of folks.  Just cause you can make it in San Fran, doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;ll conquer NY.  The reverse however is much easier.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be shocked if both thrived again in Frisco and I won&#8217;t be upset about it.  Some players can&#8217;t handle the pressure.  Pagan would never be a 40 million dollar player here.  </p>
<p>Yes, he had a couple good seasons in Queens, but not worth 40 million.  This trade went sour, but not every trade works out.  Frisco got the better that time.  It still pales in comparison to the Wheeler deal which has a chance to pay off for years and years.</p>
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		<title>By: Just-Da-Damaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just-Da-Damaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wondered why we never offered him a deal...

i guess rauch took less money to go to a winner]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wondered why we never offered him a deal&#8230;</p>
<p>i guess rauch took less money to go to a winner</p>
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		<title>By: Met Maniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Met Maniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 22:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No I wouldn&#039;t do 5/75 for Bourn or 4/60 either which is probably what he&#039;ll end up getting. I would take him for 3/45 or lower. What I really wanted was to go after Denard Span when he was on the block and available. Younger, better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I wouldn&#8217;t do 5/75 for Bourn or 4/60 either which is probably what he&#8217;ll end up getting. I would take him for 3/45 or lower. What I really wanted was to go after Denard Span when he was on the block and available. Younger, better.</p>
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		<title>By: Sach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 22:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Acc. to Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald, Jon Rauch took a huge paycut with the Marlins- just 1MM compared to the approx. 3.6MM he earned with the Mets last season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acc. to Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald, Jon Rauch took a huge paycut with the Marlins- just 1MM compared to the approx. 3.6MM he earned with the Mets last season.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Zanca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Zanca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 22:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t care where the flotsam and jetsam goes; I don&#039;t.

The more unproductive bums we move out the better.

If Rauch goes to Marlins, that&#039;s okay, too, but I think he will be better this year than last.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care where the flotsam and jetsam goes; I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The more unproductive bums we move out the better.</p>
<p>If Rauch goes to Marlins, that&#8217;s okay, too, but I think he will be better this year than last.</p>
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		<title>By: ifthevansrockin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ifthevansrockin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 22:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[2 million, so pretty close]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 million, so pretty close</p>
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		<title>By: TX</title>
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		<dc:creator>TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 22:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rauch to the Marlins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rauch to the Marlins.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 21:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good for them. That trade worked out pretty awful for us. Most of us who never understood the Pagan vilifying got drowned out with this trade. That it didn&#039;t work out, just made me even more mad. No one knew that Ramirez would struggle as much. Torres you knew was a downgrade, but Ramirez was supposed to pick up the slack...and didn&#039;t. But good for them for going back where they&#039;re comfortable and for having a chance to win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for them. That trade worked out pretty awful for us. Most of us who never understood the Pagan vilifying got drowned out with this trade. That it didn&#8217;t work out, just made me even more mad. No one knew that Ramirez would struggle as much. Torres you knew was a downgrade, but Ramirez was supposed to pick up the slack&#8230;and didn&#8217;t. But good for them for going back where they&#8217;re comfortable and for having a chance to win.</p>
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		<title>By: RickeyBobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickeyBobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 20:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At some level, it p/ss&#039;s me off but at the end of the day, i dont want Torres, Ramirez..or Pa-gone(esp at 4yrs/$40mm).. moving forward..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At some level, it p/ss&#8217;s me off but at the end of the day, i dont want Torres, Ramirez..or Pa-gone(esp at 4yrs/$40mm).. moving forward..</p>
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		<title>By: Sloatsburg Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sloatsburg Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 20:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maniac,

Curious, would you do 5 for 75 with Bourne?  Me personally, I don&#039;t think I would.  I would rather do 3 years plus options but I doubt thate would get it done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maniac,</p>
<p>Curious, would you do 5 for 75 with Bourne?  Me personally, I don&#8217;t think I would.  I would rather do 3 years plus options but I doubt thate would get it done.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 20:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah but they didn&#039;t pay as much for them as we did....
They didn&#039;t have to give up a Pagan and play both those guys 3Mil per each on top of it...
Torres is making a Mil less....
Not sure what Ramirez is making but I bet it isn&#039;t 3 Mil!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but they didn&#8217;t pay as much for them as we did&#8230;.<br />
They didn&#8217;t have to give up a Pagan and play both those guys 3Mil per each on top of it&#8230;<br />
Torres is making a Mil less&#8230;.<br />
Not sure what Ramirez is making but I bet it isn&#8217;t 3 Mil!</p>
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		<title>By: Met Maniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Met Maniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 20:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Didn&#039;t they both have World Series rings before they came to the Mets? Maybe they went back to Frisco for more. Pagan&#039;s no dummy, he decided to stay and defend his ring too. Now the real question is 4/40 for Pagan or 5/75 for Bourn?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t they both have World Series rings before they came to the Mets? Maybe they went back to Frisco for more. Pagan&#8217;s no dummy, he decided to stay and defend his ring too. Now the real question is 4/40 for Pagan or 5/75 for Bourn?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 20:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Backwards, losers who WANNA WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! these guys were starting CF and one of the set up guy on the mets, but we all know they&#039;re not built for that, so they went where they can win and best utilize their skills. what&#039;s next?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Backwards, losers who WANNA WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! these guys were starting CF and one of the set up guy on the mets, but we all know they&#8217;re not built for that, so they went where they can win and best utilize their skills. what&#8217;s next?</p>
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		<title>By: Trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ws winners bringing in losers, what&#039;s next?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ws winners bringing in losers, what&#8217;s next?</p>
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