why believe when reality and your beliefs dont match?

I understand the anger some of you feel but the fact is Alderson is setting up a team to win over a long period of time and doing a good job of it. Sure you can make an argument maybe B.J Upton would have been a good move this year, but so would Gomez next year when they are more inclined to compete, know more about Wheeler and Darnaud, and some of the other good talented pitchers they have. I would rather Gomez, Ellsbury, or Young next year than Upton this year.It just makes more sense. If they get Bourn on a good deal without giving up the pick fine, but in the end it does not put them over the top. Next year is the time they will shine. Relax and enjoy this season, it will be much better than most of you think.

Go Mets

Sandy saying he is not punting on 2013 is aimed at people who might be fooled into buying tickets…And I still say the Bourn back and forth is aimed at them as well….

The FO doesn’t need to wait until BREF posts it’s attendance figures to know how Ticket sales are going. By the end of this month anyone who re-upped thier tickets from last year will have sent in payment. They have a pretty good idea how many did that and I would bet anything it’s LESS than re-upped last year.

And they probably have a good idea how NEW sales are going as well…Bet you they are down as well!

Not hard to take those numbers and project what attendance might be and seeing that all of a sudden (a Month after trading that Cy Young guy because we were not close enough to warrant keeping him) we are PLAYERS in the Mil Bornes game and Close to competing….
It’s all bull!

It could only be possible if d’Arnaud is a hall of famer right out of the gate!
Because thats what’s different from then to now…A Cy Young Pitcher gone and replaced by d;Arnaud who won’t even start the season for us….

This sudden change in the propaganda isn’t due to the team being ready to compete…Sandy doesn’t think this team is closer to a WS than it was when it had Dickey, certainly not until maybe Snydergaard is ready….
It is merely an admission that what I said two years ago is true…
Cutting payroll didn’t(couldn’t) solve the problems of this team because it’s problems were not salary or players it was spent on it was a lack of revenue that only spending on a player that people thinks makes you BETTER can solve….

If they think you have improved the team they might renew tickets they had or be insipred to buy tickets where before they did not.

So this is all about trying to trick fans into buying tickets.

What they got for Beltran and Dickey might have been fine under different circumstances…
That is they were the worst team in the league and had two years of top picks already in development to augment with those trades. Then maybe they get two more years of high picks to develop and have 4-6 years worth of kids ready to come up and make the team a winner….

We didn’t do that…We traded our best players hoping what we got would immediatly make up for those losses….
Wheeler will be here as will d’Arnaud….After that we are right back where we started in 2011….a threadbare farm, no one within two years of promotion and no money to spend to get what we need.

We WILL need patience before we see a World Series here….NOW….
We were closer to one when Sandy got here than we are now though….

It will take at MINIMUM another 5-6 years of picking at the top to create this winner through PATIENCE….

And by the time they get here Davis, Niese, Harvey, Wheeler, D’Arnaud will all be too expensive to keep and getting close to FA….

And then we trade them (like we did Dickey) for the same reasons as we did Dickey and Beltran and this vicious cycle lasts another 20 years!

You wanna talk about classic posts. How about when you said the Mets should non tender Pelfrey and then trade him. Now that’s classic! Especially since it’s an impossibility.

I get the concept of ignoring what a GM says and focus on what he does, but Alderson just can’t say the Mets are rebuilding and preach patience. He has to have his cake too by saying he’s not punting 2013. That is a ridiculous statement. The Mets have no closer and not a single outfielder that would start on another team. Santana and Gee are coming off serious injury and I’d like to see a full season out of Harvey and anything from Wheeler and D’Arnaud before we put them in Cooperstown. And when did Jon Niese become anything other than a nice middle of the rotation starter? So even the rotation is not necessarily a lock. One or two moves away?C’mon.

Funny how you never mentioned it before when I have repeatedly questioned the myth.

Now, for the video itself. I do like how he worked with pitchers to strategize for hitters. Really great.

But, does that make him a great leader? Does that negate the fact that he had a reputation for slacking? Did he take any of the younger players and teach them how to be a pro? Did he teach guys how to balance being a baseball player and a party fiend? Did he reach out to guys coming from other teams to acclimate them? Did he ever stay late with guys in a slump and help them work on their game?

Because those are things I’ve heard Beltran and Wright and Pedro doing.

You harp all the time on Wright leaving Murphy on 3rd but won’t acknowledge Hernandez popping up in Game 6 and then going to pack up and have a beer. Getting mad at Wright for what you perceive as slacking, but giving Hernandez a pass when it got so bad, he was shipped off a World series contender to a division rival.

You’ve chosen to bash Wright by holding up a Keith Hernandez that simply didn’t exist. Hernandez was a terrific player, an intricate part of the 86 team and probably a borderline HoF. I think he does a great job breaking down hitting and fielding as an announcer. But, you have to take the good with the bad. To do otherwise is to diminish the man himself.

Wright’s nanny another good one. Dude get a grip, I didn’t compare Wright nor defended him, if you don’t know how to read ask a grownup to help, I was only talking about the trade. That’s ok I know a woman on a sports site with actual facts emasculates you, poor thing.

Never once did I say a negative about Hernandez but make that argument anyhow.

For a bunch of boys to know everything about baseball you seem to former a lot or selective memories.

Remember when Omar compared Perez to Verlander. HAHAHA

I guess d’Arnaud is the next Albert Pujols then right?

“He needs time before you can see the progress…But he is making GREAT moves! Lets Applaud him!”

Until such time as he wins more games than the team he took over the best you can say about his tenure here is he has failed because they have gotten worse and STILL are until they prove otherwise!

Keith has like 10 gold gloves, a MVP and could have gotten it a couple other years. I like David Wright very much but am happy he will finish his career with the team, but let’s take it easy on these kind of claims.

Unless your whole intent was to inflame the Wright haters, the comment is pretty silly.

1989: 87-75
1988: 100-60
1987: 92-70
1986: 108-54
1985: 98-64
1984: 90-72

Now, different era meant the mets were in the playoffs twice, but in this era they would’ve been in the playoffs every year…. The mets became winners because they got good players as well no doubt about it, but the culture changed when this man came abord, and f anyone is questioning that should have his baseball knowledge card revoke.

I have no sides here, no matter what you guys say. I take each comment individually. You and I are going to disagree on Wright to some extents and not others. To me he’s the best if not the 2nd best (if you want to go Straw because of 86 I am ok with that) position player the Mets have ever developed. As far as impact, I put Keith ahead of him in terms of position players as do I Piazza.

I said, wait let me quote it again

“I don’t know that comparing Wright and Hernandez is really smart – different players in different era with a much different team…but if I wanted to”

And then just listed their individual achievements.

So me saying that somehow translates to you that I hate Keith? You really need to take your anti jessep glasses off next time you read what I say please

thanks for reading!

Here’s a little video specifically about Keith’s Leadership back then, which i was around and old enough to witness and understand. Those are intangibles that help drive the statistics that a loser like this worships.

http://metsblog.com/video/video-keith-hernandezs-leadership-in-1986/

Cue arrogant, snarky response.