Comments on: 2013 Mets Projections: Matt Harvey, SP

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:03:09 +0000

CONNOR THE NEED FOR THAT PARTICULAR HR QUITE POSSIBLY IS PITCHER’S FAULT AS I’VE SEEN TOO MANY SITUATIONS OVER THE PAST 5Y WHEN SANTANA CRACKED BEFORE HIS MOUND OPPONENT IN SURRENDERING RUNS. IT’S THE PITCHER’S JOB TO OUT ZERO HIS MOUND OPONENT MEANING TO PUT UP MORE IP ZEROES, TO DO SO, CERTAINLY NEGATES THE ENTIRE RUN SUP[PORT ISSUE THAT ALL PITCHERS DEAL WITH

CONNOR, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT LOW ERA & WHIP LEADS TO HIGHER ‘W ‘ & LOWER ‘L’TALLIES. NOT ALWAYS; BUT TYPICALLY CABISH?

By: Poconos

Poconos — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:07:26 +0000

I believe he will be even better than that. Well I dont know about the whole WAR thing, but I can easily see him at least repeat his performance last year. I predict he’s gonna be 16-9, 2.88, 205 IP, 229 K’s. 2nd place in the Cy Young balloting.

Lets Go Mets!

By: vigouge

vigouge — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:59:19 +0000

All stats are just fodder, the only question is whether the stat can actually encapsulate a players performance. ERA tells you nothing about defense or luck, it tells you nothing about how hard or soft balls are hit, pitcher wins and losses tell you nothing about run support or bullpen performance after the pitcher of record leaves the game. Even taken all together they don’t tell you a whole hell of a lot nor do they even remotely explain why or how the events occurred. They’re as useless as tits on a bull which is why newer and better ones are out there.

By: Connor O'Brien

Connor O'Brien — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:00:19 +0000

Wins and losses matter for the team, not for the pitcher. When trying to evaluate how well someone is pitching, you try to isolate only what they are/aren’t contributing correct? You try to take how the rest of the team performs out of the equation. Is it Matt Harvey’s fault if Kirk Nieuwenhuis doesn’t hit a home run on May 17? Absolutely not. Wins are as much on the offense as they are on the pitcher, so if you are talking about how good a pitcher is, why use their win-loss record?

By: van

van — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:18:59 +0000

not only are you completely wrong on all counts here, you did a fine job of proving my point. So thank you for that!

and again, if you want to have private convervations with someone, invite them over to your house, go to a bar, or ese email. Posting on a public message board, by definition, is for the world to read and comment on, and not private.

By: Connor O'Brien

Connor O'Brien — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:36:38 +0000

First two months of the season (before Dickey threw all those one-hitters)
Santana
2-2, 2.75 ERA, ,225 BAA, ~9 K/9, 2.4 BB/9
Dickey
7-1, 3.06 ERA, .231 BAA, ~9 K/9, 2.4 BB.9

By: Alex68

Alex68 — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:31:37 +0000

I guarantee that TRS is not known on numerous other Met sites as a joke, as some people here are.”

You are mistaken, the guy is a disrespectful db who doesn’t mind his business, you think he’s highly respected? think again.. only his desert people like him because they all do the sandy THIS agreement…

By: srt

srt — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:27:18 +0000

‘Johan had some other years with the Mets where his win total was nothing special, because the pen blew a bunch late and the offense gave him next to no runs’

2008, in particular.

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:25:22 +0000

It’s OK. To be considered disrespectful by the leader of a fake superhero group is the stuff dreams are made of.

By: van

van — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:22:51 +0000

last year at the mid-point, Johan and Dickey had very similar stats overall (ERA, Whip, etc.) yet RA was 12-1 and Johan was IIRC 6-3 (not sure about the losses, but he had the 6 wins).

at that point, Dickey might have been pitching a smidge better, but no way in hell was he 2x Johan!

Johan had some other years with the Mets where his win total was nothing special, because the pen blew a bunch late and the offense gave him next to no runs. I would still rather have 5 guys pitching at that level, over 5 guys that get pounded a lot but somehow always seem to be the beneficiary of huge runs support, because the 1st five will always give the team a better chance to win.

By: srt

srt — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:18:51 +0000

Agree, on all points.

By: van

van — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:15:55 +0000

I know this is a waste of typing, but TRS, along with Jessep and Donal, are all widely respected here, outside of a few of you that seem to be doing your best to run Joe’s fine site into the ground.

I guarantee that TRS is not known on numerous other Met sites as a joke, as some people here are.

and please, everything is not about Sandy. No matter how often you try to portray posters as being in some kind of Sandy loving cult, reality says it just is not the case.

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:11:33 +0000

Also, considering the one’s that actually might not respect me? Why in the heck would I want the respect of the 3-5 members of the core?

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:10:14 +0000

WHO THE HELL MENTIONED SANDY?

By: Kay

Kay — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:10:11 +0000

Case in point – Felix Hernandez wins the CY Young with one game over .500 with a 13 – 12 Win/Loss record.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:55:16 +0000

STEVE DON’T FORGET TO CONSIDER THE CATCHING IMPROVMENT EFFECT AS IT WILL SERVE THE LESS EXPERIENCED 4 STARTERS THOLE & NICKEAS COMBINED WERE NO BETTER THAN AN 8-BALL FOR ADVICE ON ATACKING SPECIFIC HITTERS JUST AS BARAJAS & BLANCO POSITIVLY EFFECTED NIESE & GEE, SO TOO WILL BUCK & HIS UBERTALENTED PROTEGE, WHO HAS ALREADY DERSCRIBED HOW HE PAYS PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO HITTER’S APPROACH DURING ABs,

THOLE, NEVER STOPPED LOOKING LIKE A 1B CONVERSION TO C EVEN WHEN HIS EYES WERE OPEN. AS LOOSLY TIED MOSQUITO NETTING WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE PREVENTED MORE PB.

AFTER 50+YRS OF OBSERVATIONS, I’VE DETERMINED THE 2 MOST LIKELY POSITION DEVELOPMENT FAILURES IN THE NYM ORGANIZATION SURELY ARE 3B & C WHERE TO DATE CERTAINLY WRIGHT IS THE TOP 3B PRODUCED WITH HUNDLEY AS THE EQUAL AMONG DEVELOPED BACKSTOPS. QUITE EASILY d’ARNOUD APPEARS DESTINED TO UNSEAT TODD

AS THE NY NL FRANCHISE WE’VE HAD A STRONG LGACY OF STARTING OFFENSIVLY STRONG #1 CATCHERS FROM WHEREVER THEY WERE ACQUIRED IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER… CARTER,HUDLEY, PIAZZA,STEARNS,GROTE…WHILE THEIR B/U WERE TYPICAL ‘BREAK GLASS IN EMERGENCY’ TYPES. PRESENTLY, WE ARE LIKELY LOOKING AT ENDING THE SEASON WITH THE STRONGEST CATCHING DUO IN MET HISTORY AS d’ARNOUD INHERITS THE #1 WITH BUCK SLIDING INTO CO-PILOT SEAT. THE OVERALL EFFECT ON A PROJECTED VERY YOUNG ROTATION IN THE 2nd HALF IS POTENTIALLY A GEOMETRIC IMPROVMENT LEAP BEYOND FORCAST ABILITIES.

By: Alan from AZ

Alan from AZ — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:48:58 +0000

Does anyone here realize that all these “newer stats” are mostly fodder?

The main stats for a Major League starting pitcher are his innings pitched and his ERA. That’s the bottom line! If you are looking for numbers themselves strikeouts and walks per 9 innings will give an indication of what his pitch count might be but that may certainly influence a pitchers win total.

# of wins? Can be misleading if your team doesn’t score runs!

I see Harvey with 190-200 innings….an ERA of under 3.00 and depending on his support and 13- 16 wins

By: Connor O'Brien

Connor O'Brien — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:25:44 +0000

Projecting wins and losses is pointless and so is the statistic itself.

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:18:39 +0000

But how can you project how many games he’ll win if you don’t care how many runs he gives up or don’t know how well the offense will perform?

By: Alex68

Alex68 — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:15:39 +0000

What ever happened to the whole Wins and Losses projection? is that hard enough? How do you know how the offense will perform? and based on WAR, You think i care if he wins 15 games what his ERA is? Please… Moving on….