Harvey looks to have a very tight, conventional delivery. Keeping it simple.

I’m not saying that he won’t get injured but in my opinion he’s not a big risk.

We won’t be playing in October and there will be no meaningful games in September – so it won’t matter much if the top brass want to shut him down.

Do you have something to verify that?

“It’s all that macho “I’m going to pitch through it” crap that costs these guys a season not the fact they went an inning too long…”

They wouldn’t be where they are without that mindset though. The problem is, managers, being former players, sometimes can’t shake that mindset either.

And while he goes about doing 50 things he probably shouldn’t to get on track he stresses the arm and hurts himself.

You know they could avoid more major injury if they just hooked these guys up to a polygraph after each game when they asked them if they had any signs of pain or trouble….

It’s all that macho “I’m going to pitch through it” crap that costs these guys a season not the fact they went an inning too long…

Yes, they do, when done correctly. You are right in saying not every pitcher should be held to the same numbers, but each pitcher will have his numbers you need to be aware of.

While you don’t compare Gee to Harvey, you do compare the Gee today to Gee of his previous appearances.

“More pitcher have surgery these days than they ever did before….”

Because we know more. Pitchers are being diagnosed quicker, with more treatment options.

As a result, pitchers are lasting longer into their careers and maintaining larger windows of effectiveness.

“It may seem old school barbaric but when guys like Seaver pitched, they pitched until they got into trouble or started to lose thier stuff.”

Seaver was on a pitch count. Pitch counts have been around since the 1950s, at least.

“And by doing that they stayed healthy, built up endurance to the point that they never lose thier stuff and could pitch complete games…”

And had “doctors” drug them out of their minds.

“Since the invention of Pitch counts Pitcher injury and surgery has gone UP not down”

Correlation is not causation.

“But the only thing the Pitch Count has managed to do is create a decline in Pitchers Complete games and IP stats.”

So what? Those are individual stats meant to make bonus money. They may or may not have an effect on a team’s winning or on the pitcher’s longevity and effectiveness, which is what it is all about.

Or some guys may look like they are gassing out in the 3rd, but will have a second wind.

Does a Pitcher like Gee put as much stress on himself making 100 Pitches as a Guy like Strassburg does in 80?

And limiting Innings to a guy like Ollie Perez could mean he pitched 10,000 Pitches in 10 innings of work! LOL

This is why we have managers and pitching coaches on the payroll….
They are charged with knowing thier players, seeing the signs of running out of gas and deciding he has given all he can on that day.

You can’t ask the Pitcher because he will ALWAYS tell you he is fine…They all want to go 9!
And the Stress that causes injury happens mostly when your tired and your mechanics go out of whack.

If you see that early and pull him then you won’t overwork him AND the fact he went as far as he could will help him build up strength to go longer in the future.

These charts are useless because they don’t take the individual into account.
More pitcher have surgery these days than they ever did before….

It may seem old school barbaric but when guys like Seaver pitched, they pitched until they got into trouble or started to lose thier stuff.
And by doing that they stayed healthy, built up endurance to the point that they never lose thier stuff and could pitch complete games…

Since the invention of Pitch counts Pitcher injury and surgery has gone UP not down…Part of that is due to the fact they learned new operations to perform to fix problems they couldn’t back then….Medicine has advanced…But the only thing the Pitch Count has managed to do is create a decline in Pitchers Complete games and IP stats.
They are certainly not any healthier as a result from what I’m seeing.

Pitch counting at least takes into account how many pitches he made….

I personally think the best way to do this is just watch the Pitcher see whan he seems to lose some gas and then pull him….

Whatever the inning or pitch count is.

And if he never shows he is getting tired leave him in.

every inning isnt the same….a 50 pitch inning is a bit different then then a 9 pitch one….why dont more people use pitches thrown?

If I read this correctly then I don’t think it’s accurate. I believe the Verducci Effect — the risk of injury or significantly reduced performance — is there the next year whether or not the pitcher takes on a larger workload.

Having said that, Matt Harvey is kind of borderline in terms of being at risk, having only exceeded the recommended increase by 8 innings. I think he’ll be fine. And I think they’ll cap his innings (if at all) at 169 + 30 or 40. Which means more or less a normal load.

It also adds to the possible trade chips come July, and further sets the team up to move onto a better 2014. Despite popular opinion, Sandy has done a good job this off season.

Also I know Marcum is a one year deal but I hear nothing about how much. Holla if you guys here.