As for your Boras mention…How much did Beltran get from the Cards again?
What numbers did he put up for that money?

You CAN sign players, Maintain a competitive MLB team WHILE you rebuild the minors….
Just draft well and don’t trade kids away!

Have we traded Kids away? NOPE!
Have we drafted well? Yet to be seen it’s sure not looking good since we found it neccesary to trade away a Cy Young pitcher to take the place our second highest draft pick to date was meant to fill @ Catcher.

Omar did both at the same time and managed to get to the playoffs in year two!

Any attempt to say what he did hurt this franchise is wrong…It wasn’t his buying that hurt us it was that he didn’t buy ENOUGH and go get that second ACE every WS winner has to carry them through.

Beltran, Dickey, K-Rod, and Reyes METSIE DOES MR. PEABODY KNOW U’VE MISAPPROPRIATED HIS MACHINE?

LET US SEE WHAT U SHOULD HAVE SEEN…BELTRAN, [AT TIME OF TRADE]?

REPRESENTED BY BORAS WITH JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS LEFT TO HIS LAST NY SEASON @ MEGAMILLIONS WITH 2 KNEES COMPRISED OF BAILING WIRE & DUCT TAPE, JUST ONE MISSTEP FROM PERMANANTLY DISAPPEARING FROM A NL, MLB LINEUP.

DICKEY, A FANTASTIC HUMAN BEING & TRUTHFULLY, A GOOD LOCKERROOM PRESENCE BY ALL UNTAINTED REPORTS,UNSELFISH, RELIABLE & REASONABLE, AN OUTSTANDING HUMANITARIAN MNGT MANIPUL;ATED ROTATION TO SECURE HIS 20Ws WITH THOSE 20Ws A 4th PLACE FINISH, UNLIKELY TO IMPROVE WITH HIS CONTINUED SERVICE BEYOND AGE 38, ESPECIALLY SINCE AN IMPROVED SUPPORTING CAST NOT IN FORSEEABLE FUTURE FOR AT LEAST 2 YRS AS KEEPING HIM WITH HARVEY & WHEELER GIVES U ONLY 3 STUD PITCHERS SANS OFFENSIVE SUPPORT WITH A WEAK “UP-THE-MIDDLE” CONTINGENT OF A JOURNEYMAN CATCHER, MURPHY,TEJADA & JOURNEYMAN CFer’; HOWEVER THE ALTERNATIVE IS A FUTURE WITH 3 PRIME AGED POWER PITCHING STUDS HARVEY,WHEELER,SYNDERGAARD AN IMPROVED UP-THE-MIDDLE OUTLOOK WITH d’ARNOUD(RHH W/POTENTIAL POP) WITH THE CONCEPT BEING CONTINUED CONTENTION FROM 2014….TO FORSEEABLE HORIZON, CERTAINLY DICKEY FALLS OFF THE TALENT DEPTH CHART LONG BEFORE SYNDERGAARD’S PROJECTION.

REYES? AN UNDESIRABLE COMPONENT BASED UPON WILPON DISAPPOINTMENT. OBVIOUSLY DESIRED BY SANDY, IMO, UNSUPPORTED BY OWNERSHIP FORCING ALDERSON TO KEEP POCKETED THE L;IKELY MISERLY OFFER HE PRIED OUT OF FRED’S TIGHTLY SEWN POCKETS. IF SANDY’S CHOICE WAS JETTISONING JOSE, OBVIOUSLY HE’D HAVE BEEN DEALT PRIOR TO BELTRAN FOR THE EXACT SAME REASON, UNRELIABLE LEGS/PERFORMANCE APRIL-OCTOBER. LORIA’S LARGER PKG MADE METS’ OFFER POINTLESS TO SHOW RISKING PUBLIC OUTRAGE @ LACK OF FUNDS FURTHER DAMAGING THE F/A DESIRE FOR CITI ADDRESS. OFFER STAYED FOLDED, UN-MADE!

METSIE, BEFORE U COUNTER WITH CRITICISM REGARDING THE QUANTITY OF IFS & MAYBES IN THAT VISION, CONSIDER THE ALTERNATIVE WAS ALREADY ATTEMPTED BY MINAYA & SINCE OWNERSHIP IS CONSISTANT THE FAUILURE TO ADD PRICEY QUALITY DEPTH WILL MOST LIKELY CONTINUE UNLESS THAT DEPTH IS HOME FERTILIZED BY UNSQUANDERED DRAFT PICKS LOST BY INKING QUALIFIED F/A NEEDED TO REMOVE IFs & MAYBEs.

METSIE, MY FRIEND, U CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS U CAN’T SIMULTANEOUSLY SIGN & DEVELOP AS EVENTUALLY THE SIGNINGS DRY IP YOUR PIPELINED PRODUCT.
UNLESS U ROOT NYY U MUST ACCEPT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF IFs & MAYBEs AS MODELED BY BOTH ATLANTA & ST LOUIS AS BOTH HAVE GAMBLED THEIR PIPELINERS’ IFs WERE TOLERABLE TO REPLACE THE LIKES OF PUJOLS, GLAVINE, SORIANO. U NEED TO GET USED TO NOT KNOWING; BUT HOPING.

We started off needing a Catcher, some pen and one OFer…
Two years later we got a MAYBE for a Catcher and now need THREE OFers, a Starting Pitcher (on TOP of Wheeler), a Leadoff Hitter and someone in there a Power RH bat.

I don’t know how anyone can say Wheeler and d’Arnaud adds enough to the kids we already had to make this team a long term consistent competitor….And thats just a HOPE and a PRAYER not a promise of a fact.

Even if you think it can be rebuilt by trading veterans for kids…Look at the return from doing that…

Beltran, Dickey, K-Rod, and Reyes and what came in? Wheeler and d’Arnaud. Thats two all stars for every MAYBE! At this rate we would have to have a team Comparable to the Yankees of old to get 5 kids as a core.

Then look at all of his FA signings…How many kids there? How many YOUNG guys? How many who hit above .250 in the MLB?

He can talk and project all he wants but I don’t go to see his stated word I go to see the players on the field and the way he is operating it will be 20 years before this team gets to that long term competitiveness and thats after a long time in the cellar where we will get the kids that will replace EVERY player Sandy has brought in to date!

Cause thats all it takes to get a Wheeler and D’Arnaud…Suck and pick at the top!

WHERE I BELIEVE ALDERSON WAS SOMEWHAT BLINDSIDED IS THE ADDED TEAMS TROLLING IN THE SAME WATERS TARGETING THE SAme prospects for veterans deals AS BOTH HOUSTON & SUDDENLY MIAMI APPEARED IN THE SAME “BAY OF GROWTH. ” ARMED WITH THE SAME BAIT(VETERANS)

EVERTY GM SINCE 88 HAS HAD PROJECTIONS & REBUILDING PLANS FOR IMPROVMENT; EACH ALLOWED THOSE PLANS TO BE SHREDDED BY LISTENING TO SHORTSIGHTED FANS & JADED WITH PAST PROMISES FANS, THE BLOOD-THIRSTY PRESS & FINALLY WE HAVE THIS NON BASEBALL DEPENDENT BUSINESSMAN/LAWYER WHO, FOR NOTHING ELSE, IS THE MIOST SELF ASSURED EXECUTIVE TO PRESIDE IN FLUSHING FOR QUITE SOMETIME.

HISDTORICAL RECORDS SHOW THAT VISIONRIES ARE OCCASIONALY THE BEST LEADERS; BUT PRAGMATIC VISIONARIES WITH SELF CONFIDENCE IN EXCESS OF NAYSAYERS SURROUNDING THEM ARE THE MOST EFFECTIVE & SUCCESSFUL OF ALL.
IN BASEBALL, I PERSONALLY CAN EASILY NAME TWO SUCH MEN IN BRANCH RCIKEY & GEORGE STEINBRENNER. DESPITE DIFFERENT PATHS.

CERTAINLY MUCH OF THE PRESSURE FROM BOTH BACKPAGE DENIZENS & FANS WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLEVIATED BY RELENTING TO AZ’s UPTON DEMANDS FOR REPORTEDLY WHEELER & d’ARNOUD, SURELY PHILLIPS,DUQUETTE & MINAYA WOULD HAVE SHREDDED EARLIER DESIGNS AND ALTERED COURSE FOR THE QUICK EASY PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.
THE SMPLE FACT THAT ALDERSON STOOD FIRM UNRELENTINGLY GIVES ME CONFIDENCE IN HIS ABILUITY TO REMAIN COOL & STEADY UNDER FIRE AS HE BELIEVES BOTH THOSE TALENTS, THOUGH UNPROVEN & NON-GUARANTEED ARE MORE LIKELY TO HELP ACCOMPLISH HIS STRING OF PEARLS(WINNING SEASONS)

Everything you said is HOPE, ASSUMPTION and Prayer….

Lets just for discussion sake say they DO make up for Dickey and we win 74 games this year…
How does that make us closer to winning and ready to BUY talent in 2014 compared to 2013?

And how will 2014 be any different and not cause us to trade Niese as quickly as we traded Dickey for the same reasoning?

Sure those kids might make up for performance…But they won’t equal the attendance which is the KEY metric that will determine if we buy or sell next year.

If Attendance stays static, and they lose another 23 Mil then we are still in the same boat too far away to row to shore…
If Attendance drops then Niese or some other top performer is traded for the same reasons Dickey was….No sense in Rowing to shore just keep bailing for another year….

The only way these guys make up for Dickey is if they draw as much as him Which means they have to out perform him and thats only possible IF you ASSUME they are going to win the Cy Young this year….

Anyone assuming that here?

#2 no one is saying they HAVE to re-invest it…But if they want people to come to the park they had better start or they will have saved NO MONEY and lose 50Million without any other players left to cut that can save them the money Attendance isn’t getting for them to pay the bills.

so who Wheeler replaces will likely be the guy that gets hurt.

If it gets into July say, and they are all pitching well, and wheeler really has earned a promotion, then the issue will be solved by trading marcum or Santana. Unless, of course, the Mets are actually in the playoff race, in which case they may keep them all and work out something with the Pen.

#2 THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THINKING $$$ OFF OF PAYROLL WILL BE REDEDICATED TO TEAM INVESTMENT AS THE TEAM IS A SIDE BUSINESS FOR OWNERSHIP WHO ARE STILL LIKELY I NEED OF MASSIVE DEBT REIEF
THE CAPITAL NEEDED FOR WILLETS’ POINT DEVELOPMENT HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE SINCE THE MOST LIKELY INVESTMENT RESOURCES HAVE EVAPORATED COMPLETELY AS DID ALL THE $$$ IN ESCRIOW TO SATISFY ACTIVE DEFERRED PAYMENTS TO MOST LIKELY SANTANA, BONILLA, BELTRAN AND LIKELY OTHERS. EXECUTIVE’S 401K & IRA ACCOUNTS MOST LIKELY DISINTEGRATED AS WELL STERLING EQUITIES, NOT WILPON OWN THESE METS FRED IS MERELY “THE FACE” WHILE JEFFREY SERVES AS THE “AH”.

The Marlins won 69 games last year…Thats just 5 games less than we won last year.
And we traded away the guy who won 20 games last year….

Worst team in the League (Houston) won 55 Games…
Thats just a 19 game difference and if they improve by 10 games while we decline by 10 we ARE the worst team in the League….

Lets be honest we are much closer to being the WORST team in the league than we are from being the best!

And we are at least 14 games away from the Wildcard….

Losing a Cy Young Pitcher to get an improvement on Thole is not going to make up that difference!
And if 2014 is when people think we are close enough to do something about it then they should have done something THIS year about it since there isn’t anything coming up after them to wait for.

BILL MSDDEN POINTEDLY ASKED OMAR IF HE WAS CONCERNED WITH SACRIFICING THE DRAFT SELECTIONS REQUIRED TO INK SUCH KEY PLAYERS? TO WHICH OMAR RESPONDED BY ALLUDING TO HOW NYY & BOSOX MANAGED TO APPROACH THE DRAFT WITHOUT FIRST ROUND POSITIONS, ALLUDING TO THE ‘POACHING’ OF DROPPED DOWN FIRST ROUNDERS WITH LARGE BONUS PROMISES DESPITE LATER SELECTION.
MADDEN RETORTED BY POINTING OUT THE WILPON’S PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED INTENTION TO ADHERE TO THE COMMISSIONER’S RECOMMENDED SLOTTING GUIDELINES. AS I RECALL, OMAR WAS TAKEN ABACK SINCE AS MONTREAL’S GM HE’D NOT PAID AS CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS TYPE OF INNUENDO, AS OMAR RESPONDED WITH A WEAK,” I’LL LOOK INTO THAT, COMMISIONERS’S RECOMENDATIONS ARE NOT BINDIN”, G TYPE OF RETORT. HISTORY HAS PROVEN OMAR WAS UNSUCCESSFUL IN GETTING WILPONS TO WALK BACK THEIR FOOLISLY ANNOUNCED INTENTIONS AS THEY DELIBERATLY SCUTTLED THE POTENTIAL TO RECONSTRUCT A MLB WINNER WHILE STOCKING A FARM SYSTEM EFFECTIVELY. GIVEN HIS CHOICE OF EITHER OR OMAR’S DECISION TO CONCETRATE ON MLB IS NOW A HISTORICAL FACT.
’05 WAS ALSO OMAR’S LAST BIG INT’L BONUS SIGNINGS AS HE INKED 16 YR OLDS IN F-MART & GO-GO GOMEZ OF THE DR. RELATED? WHO KNOWS? CERTAINLY A CIRCUMCSTANCIALLY INTERESTING COINCIDENCE.

METSIE, EITHER WAY, 2013 WITH OR WITHOUT THE DICKEY DEAL WILL LIKELY END IN 4th PLACE FINISH. THE KEY QUESTION WOULD BE WHICH IS THE MORE LIKELY LONGTERM UGRADE AS OF 2013. R.A., THOLE, NICKEAS OR d’ARNOUD, SYNDERGAARD?
WITH HARVEY & WHEELER ALREADY PENCILED IN FOR A 2015 PLANNING ROTATION OF A) DICKEY,HARVEY, NIESE, WHEELER, GEE OR
B) HARVEY, WHEELER, NIESE, SYNDERGAARD, GEE
A DECISION FAVORING EITHER CAN CERTAINLY BE DEFENDED ADEQUATELY UNTIL U INCLUDE FRANCHISE FINANCIAL STABILITY AS A CONSIDERATION.

METSIE, THERE CAN NEVER BE A COMPLETELY LEVEL PLAYING FIELD ON WHICH A SENSICAL COMPARISON OF ATL,PHL,NYY WITH NYM CAN BE BASED. AS IN SPORTS, THE MEDIA PLAYS A CONSIDERABLE ROLE IN THE ALL IMPORTANT PERCEPTION POSITION AS BOTH THE BRAVES & THE PHILLIES LUXURIATE IN THE PRESS POND DOMINATED BY A SINGLE BIG FISH THE ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION(AJC) COVERING THE BRAVES WITH GHOMER AFFECTION AND A MORE CHALLENGING PHILADELPHIA ENQUIRER AS THE SOLE INQUISITOR” IN CHARGE” HARBORING A LOVE/HATE HOT/COLD PERSONIFICATION OF “FIGHTIN’ PHILS” TO THEIR [PREDOMINANTLY BLUECOLLARED READERSHIP OF BRAWLING OVER FINESSING ENTHUSIASTS.

METSIE, AS A FORMER GA RESIDENT I CAN ATTEST TO ATLANTA’S BEING POPULATED HEAVILY BY WHITE-COLLARED TRANSIENTS ON BUSINESS RELATED LIFE JOURNEYS WHO MOSTLY BECAME BASEBALL FANS OF TEAMS NOT ADORNED WITH FEATHERS OR WARPAINT. FEW INVESTED HEARTS & SOULS BLEEDING ATLANTA COLORS OF ANY KIND IN ANY SPORT.

FINALLY, THE YANKEES ALREADY HAD ESTABLISHED THEIR DOMINANT ‘TITLE’ SUCCESSION BY 1962 MAKING A PERCEPTION OF EQUALITY THE MOST UNLIKELIEST OF POSSIBILITIES ESPECIALLY AS THE METS CHOSE TO RELY UPON FORMER YANKEES IN SUCH IMPORTANT NAVIGATIONAL ROLES AS GM & FLD MNGR

But when did the REBUILDING start?

In the case of the Braves and the Phillies a lot longer than 6 years!
Braves lost the NLCS in 82. Finished 2nd two year after that…Started thier rebuild in 85 where they were in the cellar. So those 6 years started AFTER they were in the cellar. SO start your 6 year clock after THIS year not two years ago!
We have dismantled the team the last two years to GET to the place where a rebuild is possible but we have not got there yet!

Phillies Lot WS in 1993. Took the 13 years to get back to playing for something.

It’s one thing to do what we did when your already the worst team in the league and have the pick placement to rebuild with….
It’s quite another to trade away talent to get to that point!

At best, the way we have done things it will be 6 more years before we can be rebuilt!
Not two or three which is even LESS optimistic than the daily propaganda bunch are saying….

Until we are 5th of 5th for a couple of years in a row we will NOT have the ability to rebuild.

And what we have done so far has only helped us SUCK enough to get there!
So pick whatever number of years you think it takes to rebuild a team and start the clock when the NEXT offseason starts….

The Yankees being the exception to this and WHY?
Because they kept on buying and paying the talent they had so when they got a few kids they could hit the ground running….

We have NOT done that because we didn’t have the PICK they had to get the Jeters and traded away anyone who would HELP a Jeter to get the players we have…

One thing to be patient…But if Patience was in order then they should have WAITED to rebuild until they were the worst team in baseball then when they had a few top picks in development THEN look to make the trades of Talent that you will replace with those kids.

Thats what Cashen did! But he too started off with the worst team with the highest picks….
He didn’t TRADE us into that position we were already there!

Thats the difference between what WE are doing and what the Braves, Phillies and Yankees did!

LET ME SEE, WE’VE NOW HAD 6 COMPLETED SEASONS SINCE THE ’06 SEASON WITH 2 SECOND PLACES, 4 FOURTH PLACES AND U COMPLAIN ABOUT DOING IT RIGHT? & LOSING PATIENCE?
IN MY ESTIMATION, OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM HAS BEEN A TOTAL & COMPLETE LACK OF PATIENCE IN EXPECTING TO BATTLE FOR BACKPAGE SPACE TOO QUICKLY BECAUSE WE FORFIETED TOO MANY DRAFT PICKS IN OUR POCKETBOOK RESTRUCTURING OF A PRE-FAB FRANCHISE UNLIKE BRAVES & PHLs WHO HOARDED PICKS AS BEING MORE PRECOUS FOUNDATIONALLY THAN IMMEDIATE RESULTS NEITHER OF THEIR ONE NEWSPAPER(AJC) (ENQUIRERER) EVER CALLED FOR.

ONE MORE LAST ISSUE DICKEY WAS NOT EXHANGED FOR d’ARNOUD; BUT d’ARNOUD AND SYNDERGAARD WITH POTENTIALLY 2013 & 2015 AS RESPECTIVE ANTICIPATED ARRIVAL DATES
METSIE, IN TRUE REALITY THE METS DURING THE PHILIPS & MINAYA ERAS WERE NOT GOING TO GET A SHOT AT SIGNING DRAFT TALENTS EQUIVILENT TO WHEELER, d’ARNOUD OR SYNDERGAARD SIMPLY BECAUSE OWNWERSHIP HAD FOOLISHLY COMMITTED TO SLOT RESTRICTIONS DESPITE FEW OTHER TEAMS BEING COMPLACENT TO VOLUTARY RESTRAINTS
METSIE, HAVING LAID OUT THE STRATEGIES FOLLOWED BY ATL & PHL DO U BELIEVE THEY WOULD SCOFF OR DISCOUNT A SYNDERGAARD MERELY BECAUSE HE WAS 2 MAYBE 3 SEASONS AWAY?
SURELY THE CHOICE OF TORONTO BEING WILLING TO SURRENDER 2 TOP 30 PROSPECTS PROVIDED A MORE SUBSTANTIAL REASON TO SURRENDER A SINGULARLY EFFECTIVE STARTER UNLIKELY TO ALTER THE FUTURE BY VIRTUE OF HIS PERSONAL APPEAL OR CONTRIBUTIONS.

U MENTIONED UPGRADING THOLE RATHER DERISIVELY WHILE I’D COUNTER THAT BY MERELY EVALUATING THE d’ARNOUD ADDITION AS A THOLE UPGRADE IS LIKELY TANTAMONT TO A ’98 FAN SPECULATING THE PIAZZA ADDITION WAS UPGRADING THE CASTILLO/PRATT TANDEM OR MORE LIKELY JOHN STEARNS AS A HODGES UPGRADE.
MY FRIEND, AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED HOW THOLE SQUEEZED HIS EYES COMPLETELY SHUT WHENEVER HE SENSED A SWING BY THE BATTER?
NO WONDER HE LED IN PASSED BALLS & IT HAD ZERO TO DO WITH KNUCKLEBALLS! HELL, A PURE STRAIGHT WALL CLOSE AT HAND FOR TRUE BOUNCEBACKS WOUILD SUFFICE AS A MERE UPGRADE! EITHER THAT OR A BLIND CATCHER WITH BEEPER BALLS. THOLE’S LUCKY TO CATCH A COLD LET ALONE MLB PITCHES WITH WRINKLES FACING A BATTER, WHO MIGHT SWING & FOUL ONE TO THE MASK.
TO ME, PERSONALLY, THOLE’S INVOLUNTARY MALFUNCTIONING IS NEARLY AS DISTURBING AS SASSER’S ISSUES.

ON A FINAL POSITIVE POINT TO MY REBUTTAAL YOUR STATEMENT REGARDING HARVEY’S CALLUP, I BELIEVE FORTIFIES MY RGUEMENT AGAINST AN EARLIER CALLUP WHERE HE’D BEEN SHUTDOWN & INACTIVE BY MID-SEPTEMBER IN LIEU OF KEEPING HIM ACTIVE THROUGHOUT THE REMAINING MLB SEASON. WHILE BOTH DATE WERE MORE LIKELY TOO LATE TO MATTER.

But it’s Water under the bridge…

On rebuilding the RIGHT way…

Do you really think this is the RIGHT way?

What have we rebuilt?

We traded a Cy Young pitcher to get d’Arnaud and Beltran to get Wheeler….
So in essence you traded Wheeler for Cy Young Dickey and Beltran for an upgrade of Thole.

That is if they are all everyone projects and don’t bust once they get here….

That leaves Snydergaard to make up for Reyes, K-Rod, and Pagan. And he won’t be here for another 2-3 years.

Rebuilding the RIGHT way as you say DOES work….But only if done at the right TIME the way the Braves and Phillies and yes even the yankees did….

They didn’t start the rebuild while they were a 3rd or 4th place team….
They all started when they were one of the worst teams in the league and got top 10 Picks to rebuild with.

Neither the Yankees, Brave or Phillies traded away thier starts to fill up thier Minors…They drafted and only AFTER those picks were made and those picks were close to coming up did they then look to trade away some MLB talent to augment and the talent they traded was able to be replaced by those picks.

So Yes the right way works provided your in position to do it the right way….
This team is NOT in that position and for all the horse trading to get kids the truth is this REBUILD consists of Two trades for SUPERSTARS in Beltran and a Cy Young winner and there isn’t a team in history that has ever rebuilt by trading players like that….

TO BELIEVE WINNING AGAINST PRACTICAL ODDS OVERRIDES PLANS TO PROTECT YOUR GREATEST ASSETS HAS BEEN STEINBRENERIZED IN THE NY BUBBLE FAR TOO LONG AS OUTSIDE THE BUBBLE THERE EXISTS A COMMON SENSE APPROACH THAT DOING IT RIGHT OVERRIDES DOING IT FOR GLORY OR BRAGGING RIGHTS.

AS THE RIGHT WAY CERTAINLY LEADS TO THE ATLANTA RUN OF THRE 90s

WHILE CONVERSLY THE GLORY ROAD, WHEN ACCURATE CAN CREATE NYY TITLES AS IN ’96,98,99,00,09 aka #s 23 THROUGH 27 WS TROPHIES HOISTED & WHEN TIMED INACCURATELY TO A KAZMIR 4 ZAMBRANO FIASCO.

PERSONALLY, I OPT FOR DOING IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME SIMPLY BECAUSE IF U THEN FAIL, AS NATIONALS DID LAST SEASON, U SIMPLY CONTINUE FORWARD WITH YOUR BEST ASSETS INTACT

METSIE, THERE IS CERTAINLY MORE TO DOING IT RIGHT THAN A CARPE DIEM APPROACH BECAUSE SEIZING THE RIGHT DAY IS SUPERIOR TO SEIZING ANY OLD DAY JUST FOR THE SAKE OF GRABBING A HANDFUL(LMAO)

PATIENCE IS A QUALITY IN VERY SHORT SUPPLY “IN THE BUBBLE” FORTUNATELY WE HAVE A TRIUMVIRATE RAISED OPUTSIDE THE BUBBLE, WHO ARE PATIENCE RICH. ALDERSON, DiPOTO, RICCIARDI ALL, UNLIKE PHILLIPS,DUQUETTE,MINAYA HAVE PEDIGREES UNBLEMISHABLE BY WILPON INEPTITUDE & DUPLICITY.

Harvey may not have had an innings limit if it wasn’t for the fact we were out of it. And we were out of it after that losing streak he could have helped snap.

Regarding Bay, lets be clear…The ONLY reason Bay was continually thrown out there was because he batted Righty and they had a shortage of RHB on the Roster. This was of thier OWN doing because if you remember in ST when they were looking for another OFer the guy they were targeting was a left handed batter to play the OF (Ankiel was one name). They should have been looking for a RHB so they forced them selves to play Bay.
Money should not have been a factor in the decision it was wasted either way. Playing him only made his money even MORE of a waste.

As for the FUTURE….
Well what is the biggest issue facing this team NOW and in the Future?
The Minor Leagues?
Or FINANCES/ATTENDANCE?

I already showed how if Attendance goes down having those players means squat as they won’t have the money to go get talent in the next two years….
Might those players (and lets be honest it’s just one for the next 2-3 years) going to win enough to offset the loss of attendance Dickey would bring?

What is d’Arnaud going to get us 5 more wins and back to 79 win team which was bad enough to fire a Manager and GM?

Is a rookie catcher going to make Niese and Harvey Cy Young runners?
Or would Dickey with his attitude and thinking about how to get Pitchers out be the bigger and more important influence to Harvey and Wheeler in the long run?

Unless Dickey has some injury that kills a season or looses the feel for the Knuckler I see him pitching for another 4-5 years….

And While d’Arnaud might be the best catching prospect in the Minors no one predicts him to be the next Posey or Piazza.

This is the SECOND team who has traded d’Arnaud away for a Cy Young winner….
And the second team who gave away the first Cy Young winner decided he wasn’t worth more than having a Cy Young winner….

In the end I hope d’Arnaud is as good as he is hyped but he is not about the FUTURE he is about the NOW….

The FUTURE is all about those revenue that lets them run the MLB team based on MLB acquisitions….
And Dickey would have done more for that future and solving that problem than d’Arnaud will.

Maybe if they got him and Gose they might have gotten enough NOW to not lose and possibly increase attendance so the financial issue goes away…

Until the financial is fixed the future of this team is going to look a lot like the last two years…
Wait for all the WANTED players come off the board then play hardball with the few remaining players hoping everyone else was wrong and you get him cheap due to the leverage.

The big difference between NFL and MLB is you easily CAN draft for need in the NFL becauase there is no 3-4 year gap between selection and playing for the pro team in the NFL.

As for Phillips in-ability to predict and draft for future needs, his philosophy was to get Pitchers with his top picks: (and there is some who would say Pitcher was a position of need at the time)
Goetz LHP-OF
Tyner OF
Traber P
Heilman P
Kazmir P
Milledge OF
Humber P (3rd Overall)

The issue with predicting needs is yuou have to predict what your team will look like 4 years from now…Especially hard to do with Free Agency causing high turnover of the Roster.

Instead of drafting for need on the MLB squad perhaps drafting for need in the Minors is the better play….Some say draft the best player on the board…Well if the best player on the board is a 3B it really makes no sense to draft him considering Wright will be here till 2020 and at best you will get a piece of a package to trade for what you DO need.

Omar actually did quite well predicting his future needs….
He took Ike to replace Delgado, went after Tejada (IFA) to have as an option at 2B or SS when Reyes was about to expire.
Drafted Harvey to replace Santana when his contract expires plus Pelfrey and Niese to help him replace the aging Glavine…

There will always be a debate on picking for need or taking the best player…
Truth will be somewhere in between….
When you pick high in the 1st Best player is probably the right move but the rest of the draft should probably be based more on what your Minor Leagues lack and what contracts on the MLB team are due to expire in 4 years time.

MY RETORT, AFTER CAREFUL, THOUGHTFUL, UNBIASED CONSIDERATION WOULD BE…
#1 OF ALL YOUR IF’s SANTANA’S FAILURE TO COMPLETE THE SEASON, IMO, WAS THE EASIEST TO FORSEE AS HE HASN’T DONE SO IN ANY BUT 1 OF HIS NYM YEARS.

ALSO, IF I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR BAY’S CONTRACT, I, TOO, WOULD HOPE FOR ANY REBOUND OF EVEN A GOOD WEEK ON WHICH TO POSSIBLY INDUCE ANYONE TO OFFSET A SMALL AMOUNT OF THE TREASURY HE WAS DUE. AN OPPRTUNITY THAT REQUIRES HIS PLAYING NOT SITTING JUST AS THE ODDS ARE EXTREMELY LONG AGAINST A LOTTERY WIN, U CAN’T WIN UNTIL U PARTICIPATE BY BUYING A TICKET
PERSONALLY, I’M ONE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE CITIFIELD’S DIMENSIONS PLAYED ANY PART OF BAY’S DIFFICULTIES SINCE LF IN PNC WHERE HE FLOURISHED IS FURTHER; HOWEVER, AS A PIRATE HE PLAYED IN RELATIVE ANONYMITY; HIS BOSOX SITUATION REQUIRED PERFORMANCE UNDER PRESSURE HE NEVER VOLUNTEERED FOR; BUT ONLY EARNED JOURNEYMAN REMUNERATION; WHEREAS IN NY, HE FOUND HIMSELF UNDER A GLARING SPOTLIGHT OF HIS OWN CHOOSING, THE GLARE FROM WHICH BLNIDED HIS ABILITY TO PERFORM WITH CONSISTANCY

AT THE EARLY ONSET OF FREE AGENCY MEGA-CONTRACTS’ ‘FAILURE TO PERFORM’ UNDER THE WEIGHT OF $$$ WAS MORE APPARENT AS THIS WAS JASON’S VERY FIRST CAREER SPOTLIGHT DANCE RARELY BEFORE WAS HE EVER CONSIDERED EXTRIORDINARY WHILE AS A DEVELOPING PLAYER HE WAS TOSSED INTO MULTIPLE DEALS WHILE NEVER AS THE TARGET OF ONE REQUIRING HIM TO PROVIDE COMM,ISERATE PRODUCTION LEVELS.

GEE’S INJUREY, HARVEY’S DEAYED CALLUP? ARE MOOT ISSUES SINCE HARVEY SIMPLY WOULD HAVE MET HIS INNINGS TARGET SOONER.

METSIE, THE ISSUE IS SIMPLY “THE FUTURE” NOT “THE PRESENT” HOW MANY FUTURE YEARS COULD U HAVE ANTICIPATED FROM R.A.?
BY ACQUIRING 2 TOP 30 PROSPECTS, ALDERSON HAS EXTENDED THE PLUS EFFECT OF DIVKEY’S NYM CAREER WELL BEYONF HIS PERSONAL LIKLIHOOD TO CONTRIBUTE HOPFULLY, SOME DAY BY APRIL, 2015 WE’LL BE TREATED TO A ROTATION APPEARING MUCH LIKE WASHINGTON’S WITH DOMINANT PITCHING ABILITY FAR EXCEEDING THE PEACHFUZZ BEARDS AS WHOMEVER JOB IT IS BY THEN PENCIL’S IN HARVEY, WHEELER, SYNDERGAARD, NIESE, GEE ONTO THE LIST OF BAGS TO BE SHIPPED TO FLUSHING