Comments on: Wheeler Has Outside Shot At Rotation Spot

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 16:41:17 +0000

“If Wheeler, Harvey and D’ Arnaud don’t deliver…”
Any year for HOPE that doesn’t have 202 as the first three numbers in it is a foolish dream.

Sorry Dooby I’ll give you credit for your optimism but if those guys flop it’s game over for a lot of people….

1 – Sandy sure to be fired
2 – Attendance will drop so low they will have to pay people to come and/or give away tickets to charity just to fill seats
3 – Wright gets traded (no money to pay him)
4 – Davis, Niese, Gee, Tejada, Murphy, gets traded because ARb goes to high to afford them too

If those three don’t deliver this team is royally screwed because we put ALL of our eggs in the Kiddy basket, over relied on UNPROVEN YOUTH and HOPE that turned out to be UN-RELIABLE. and didn’t bother to go after the few players who could help us get by with those kids early struggles or to mentor those kids so they might not have missed what it was they were PROJECTED to deliver…
And the fact we let TRUE MLB performers go to get two of the three shows the folly of such thinking along those lines…

Not a single person who is unhappy with how Sandy has played this will tell you having kids is NOT worth having….What they WILL say is that there is a right and wrong way and timing to do that.

If you want to rebuild you HAVE to do it via the draft and then once your close to having a drafted core only THEN can you go and trade the MLB players you have drafted kids to replace them with and go get more kids to do the same with someone else when they are ready.

The way it has been done here is as short sighted as spending to buy a team….
Only difference is we spent MLB PERFORMERS instead of money and Picks to get those kids.

And now that we have done it if the guys we got fail this franchise is screwed for more than just the 3 years you all think Omar and his spending hurt this franchise…

By: DrDooby

DrDooby — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:31:06 +0000

If Wheeler, Harvey and D’ Arnaud don’t deliver, then indeec we’re looking at 2015 or 2016 instead of 2014 in hopes that Syndergaard, Fulmer, Tapia, Nimmo, Cecchini and others do better.

Of course, the upside of that approach vs a potential ” Worst Team money could buy” / 2012 Miami Marlins or 2012 LA Angels approach is that due to the low payroll you can still scrap the ” build from within idea” and start spending big on a quick fix winner yet again.

That’s basically what happened when ” Generation K ” flopped in the mid 90s.
Instead of trying to build from within under McIlvaine, Steve Phillips took over and started adding talent by trading prospects ( such as AJ Burnett, Preston Wilson or Octavio Dotel among others) to add Leiter & Piazza, plus eventually Hampton via trade, signed Robin Ventura and later Todd Zeile and – gulp Kevin Appier – as a free agents and spent big to keep the veterans he wanted to keep in most cases.

So, the fallback for a large market team when a rebuilding with youth doesn’t work is always a 180 degree turnaround for the quick fix. Or another wave of kids.

By: Kay

Kay — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 00:01:29 +0000

What are you talking about? I looked at his twitter(why I even gave this post a second thought is my own madness). In the entire month of January he made ONE music reference and it was about listening to Dean Martin on a rainy day.

His tweets are respectful and polite, never uses foul language, sarcasm or snide.

The only thing you may point out his is awful taste in NFL and NBA teams, but other than that, this is completely false and pointless.

By: Connor O'Brien

Connor O'Brien — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:04:20 +0000

Oops meant i would be willing to give up wheeler for stanton, but not upton

By: Just-Da-Damaja

Just-Da-Damaja — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:39:26 +0000

actually a catcher has MORE of an effect on the game than a 3B !!!

A catcher has to catch 120-130 pitches PER GAME

His throwing affects 2B-SS + CF…and sometimes LF+3B

His ability to establish a good relationship with an ump will help out a staff…

A Catcher is like a 2nd manager on the field, best believe he is a game-changer

By: Mitch Petanick

Mitch Petanick — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:30:39 +0000

I really wish the Mets would stop stealing my ideas

http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/zack-wheeler-will-be-in-starting-rotation-on-opening-day-2013.html

By: BadBadLeroyBrown

BadBadLeroyBrown — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:00:54 +0000

DITTO!

By: Met Maniac

Met Maniac — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 03:36:08 +0000

I wish I could have my 5 minutes back that I wasted reading this ridiculous comment.

By: TJ

TJ — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:57:50 +0000

Agreed on Wheeler. Somewhat agreed on Stanton but he needs to be there next year for that to be a possibility. He may well go soon, and Mets will need to be in the mix although I think Texas and Seattle have better prospects to deal if the choose. Stanton at 23 with 4 years of control is a franchise changer and one of very few who you drain the farm for. They’ll find other prospects.

By: L.J. Phipps

L.J. Phipps — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:59:15 +0000

H.B., I would like to see your data backing that thought process up. I too use the term black because to be African American by definition would have to have been born in Africa, migrated to the US and become a citizen ( but that is another lesson). Rap music cannot be measuring stick for one’s demeanor, character, integrity, or athletic ability position wise. If that were the case athletes would be listening to Perry Cuomo, Johnny Mathis, or Nat King Cole. Or no athlete would listen to music that was made after 1985 because in MHO most music has been in a free fall ever since. Interesting premise, but show me some facts backing that up.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:30:56 +0000

Funny as I have been listening to AC/DC…Whole Lot of Rosie!

By: peter

peter — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:55:19 +0000

I heard the whole interview and Wheeler will be in triple A at the start of the season. it is a no brainer.

I would jump at Stanton, but I think they can get him next season without giving up Wheeler. Montero, Mateo, Fullmer, Flores, Tapia, and others can all have considerably more value next off season with a strong showing this season. I really like Montero and he could very well end up being Mets top pitching prospect after Wheeler, good enough to get a deal done next off season with Flores and a few others.

By: Mike Armato

Mike Armato — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:46:29 +0000

Dont ask me what they saw in G Cechinni when they drafted that kid…..they should of drafted another outfielder..

By: wasadeyo

wasadeyo — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:23:33 +0000

Then we could change our name to the Marlins

By: Met Maniac

Met Maniac — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:03:15 +0000

Alderson says a lot of things and most of it is bullshit.

By: TruthsaboutMMO

TruthsaboutMMO — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:48:48 +0000

Never said DW was a game changer.

Let me guess, Jaun Centeno is a game changer…

Please, turn that Wiz Khalfir up biatch!! Centeno sucks.

By: Donal

Donal — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:42:45 +0000

Wheeler straight up for Stanton? Enjoy Florida, Zach.

Wheeler +Flores/Fulmer/Familia/etc etc? No.

By: Donal

Donal — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:38:13 +0000

“In the unlikely event that Wheeler did make the team out of spring training, he would most certainly become Super Two arbitration eligible.”

Ya, pretty much why I thought it was silly. He’s just filling air time there.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 01:04:01 +0000

Yeah how well have we sustained it?
Hell we haven’t even SEEN it!
The only thing SUSTAINED after two years is the losing!
But wait we have IMPROVED on the losing column haven’t we?

You selling a pile of crap!
Selling smke and mirrors because no one who has ever done what WE are doing has ever HAD Success let alone sustained it!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:34:56 +0000

A DECOY!

To try and fool people that the Game we have been playing since Sandy got here has CHANGED!