For brown, if he could become a solid part time guy (and RH 1.2 of a platoon) with some pop and good D, that would be a fantastic return. Hairston with more defense?

Seriously! I try to be respectful to you but it’s very obvious you’re just IGNORANT! Learn to read! Do you not see that I stated and HAVE STATED several times that I am not sold on Alderson I am withholding my opinion of him until the end of this year At least I’m giving someone a legit opportunity before I judge (well within my rights). All I said was Alderson deserves credit for getting the haul he got for Beltran & Dickey (players I loved).

It’s blatantly obvious that your goal is to be the biggest hater and most moronic person on this site. Congrats you won.

Well, it’s my take on flores as a player, i can be wrong, yet you don’t hear me saying OH MY GAWD!!!! THANK YOU OMAR MINAYA FOR HIM!!!! like you guys do to sandy alderson, that is why often YOU guys are the ones who start the Omar vs Sandy debates in here that we end up getting blame for, it is YOU guys who start the whole he did better than omar crap, not us, not me, not bayonne, not maniac, not metsie, IT IS YOU guys who start that crap, i like flores and i wish he becomes our next miguel cabrera, but not once i have said thank you omar for him, or harvey, or ike davis, they are mets and i’ll root for them because they are NEW YORK METS players, unlike a lot of you’s i root for the team, not the GM and his few good moves.
BTW, a guy who hit 30+ HR and drove in 90 runs after having 2 pathetic full months is a guy to keep an eye out no???

I agree completely with your take. That being, said, can you PLEASE show a semblance of objectivity! I was and still am a big fan of Omar as a talent evaluator. I (and most on this site) haven’t put Wheeler, Syndergaard, or d’Arnaud in the hall but we love their potential and what they are doing in the minors. I have never nor have I read that anyone here guaranteed their success

My beef (since it’s apparent that I need to explain myself better) is that we cannot say thank you Omar than completely disregard the great job Aldrrson (someone who I am withholding judgement on) did in getting these prospects that may someday be very important contributors to the mets.

Alex, don’t you find it somewhat hypocritical to call me out about liking these prospects but you’ve often stated that Flores is the next Miguel Cabrerra and Ike (who can no longer be considered a prospect in my opinion) is a future MVP candidate.

However, his tenure has been underwhelming in other parts, for sure, thus far, leaving aside the fine job of cutting cost to save ownership (not good for fans, certainly) and some progress in player development, mainly keeping young pitchers healthier.

Reyes situation was mishandled. Most short term moves have either been negligible or a waste of money. A certain kind of creativity of keeping the present interesting while rightfully building for the future has been mostly lacking.
While this winter has been very unspectacular from a shortterm point of view, I believe – as of now – it´s been the best off-season by any Met GM in quite a while.
Sign Wright to a pretty modest longterm extension (compared to what other players of his caliber have been getting and leaving aside any irrational blame on David Wright for Mets failures over the past 5+ years; look at future free agent options and Wright probably is the best bat on the market for the next couple of years).
Trade Dickey for a massive haul of young talent, far beyond what any sort of expert expected or even suggested.
Several intriguing small scale additions like Brown, Cowgill or Burke at next to no cost.

However, it was about time as the last two winters have basically been about either adding mediocre veteran plugins without much upside or paying market value for mediocre veteran relievers like Francisco or Rauch and essentially wasting most of the little money that was there. With the lone positive effect being that these moves won´t have any lasting impact on future Mets teams.

So, instead of being a “hater” or “adorer”, how about trying to find a balanced middle ground ?

That said, I don´t understand the entire “Omar” vs. “Sandy” debate.

As for Alderson, he has done extremely well in the Beltran trade and Dickey trade, probably two very defining trades for his tenure, maximizing the value of both players in an extreme way.

Nobody expected him to get a Wheeler-caliber talent for two months of Beltran (without draft pick compensation). And had the 2nd deal been Dickey + Thole + Nickeas for D´Arnaud + Buck + Becerra, everyone would have called it a fine haul for the Mets. That Syndergaard was “thrown-in” as well, makes it a “Homerun” in terms of present day value. Now – god forbid – Wheeler or Syndergaard could blow out their arms tomorrow and D´Arnaud falls down the stairs and breaks both of his legs and has to retire. It still makes those trade tremendous hauls in terms of present-day value. Just as well, Kevin Plawecki and Matt Reynolds could become All star major leaguers (unlikely, of course). Yet, it wouldn´t make the Reyes compensation sufficient. That was Sandy´s biggest blunder so far: Neiither keeping Reyes nor getting more present-day value than two draft picks for him. There may be excuses for that, sure, changing budgets, Reyes´ injury at an inopportune time, directives from ownership to keep the likely batting champ. Yet, while he maximized the value of two trade chips, he failed to do so on a 3rd.

Alderson & his team also haven´t been as creative as I would have hoped in terms of small scale additons. This winter actually has been pleasant in terms of adding players such as Brown, Cowgill or Burke for almost free in that regard. I did expect more of those types of acquisitions sooner though. And his “lipstick on the pig” moves generally haven´t worked shortterm. Though, he has done well doing nothing of negative longterm consequences which is also worth something.

The player development approach seems improved. The 2011 draft & several International signings look quite promising, the injury attrition rate among young pitchers has been significantly reduced. The 2012 draft looks rather underwhelming for now. Though it´s obviously too soon to evaluate it after not even a full spring training & season for everyone involved.

Again, he´s 2 for 3 in “big moves”. He has done well cutting the payroll back and saving Wilpons the franchise. The major league team remains very much a work in progress. Time will tell how productive the farm will be. By 2014 or 2015, we should have a good idea of whether this is probably going to be a successful tenure or not.

I’m not the biggest Alderson but that’s completely unfair. You can’t just give all the credit to Omar when it was Alderson who was able to procure Wheeler and Syndergaard for Beltran and Dickey. While th 2 players Omar got us were great, the return that Alderson was able to pry away for them was exceptional. Especially the haul he got for Dickey.

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/search/media.jsp?player_id=518500

Opinions vary, but I do not think Alderson was allowed to trade Reyes, who was combating an injury toward the trading deadline. I believe the Wilpons tied his hands because Reyes was competing for the batting title and extremely popular with the fan base. Personally, I think it was an horrific decision, and I’m not convinced it was Alderson’s doing, but it did happen under his watch and he should be held responsible for his inaction.

Alderson traded RA Dickey for Travis d’Arnaud and Noah Syndergaard. In doing so, he acquired baseball’s top rated catching prospect and, apparently, a top ten pitching prospect. I always considered d’Arnaud untouchable and was stunned that Alderson landed BOTH d’Arnaud AND Syndergaard. Talk about extracting value…

I think the only minor league catcher involved in the Dickey deal was Josh Thole. Travis d’Arnaud is the functional equivalent at the catching position as David Wright is to third base.

My point is that you really cannot criticize Alderson for the deals that brought in Wheeler, d’Arnaud & Syndergaard. He did say that he wanted to raise the talent level withing the organization and those moves are tangible expressions of that intention.

Further, I think that his bringing in Andrew Brown and Collin Cowgill will soon be appreciated. I encourage you to visit the Rockies site and track down videos of Brown – he hit a ball OUT of Coors Field and his defensive skills are impressive – he’s got an absolute cannon for an arm and tracks fly balls with ease.

This year, its fair to put Alderson under the microscope to assess his body of work as we should expect to see trends analogous to 1983-84. If those trends are apparent, then Alderson would appear to be on the right track. We will soon see!

Take care, Bro.