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	<title>Comments on: Should The New York Mets Pursue Jair Jurrjens?</title>
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		<title>By: Metstheory22</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334780</link>
		<dc:creator>Metstheory22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 14:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Minor league deal with Spring training invite.  You can see what he has in Spring Training and let him go if he shows nothing or maybe goes to minors for awhile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor league deal with Spring training invite.  You can see what he has in Spring Training and let him go if he shows nothing or maybe goes to minors for awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334697</link>
		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You cooked it up, but you&#039;re still and always will be wrong. Factually 100% wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cooked it up, but you&#8217;re still and always will be wrong. Factually 100% wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334695</link>
		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I read it. You must have missed where I said that was wrong an they&#039;ve actually done less with less. Which is 100% accurate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I read it. You must have missed where I said that was wrong an they&#8217;ve actually done less with less. Which is 100% accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334691</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You read it did you?

Guess you missed this then....

&quot;Through this, the Phillies have done more by seeing less over the last few seasons&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You read it did you?</p>
<p>Guess you missed this then&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Through this, the Phillies have done more by seeing less over the last few seasons&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334687</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The real problem with Stat Analysis is the guy who is making the analysis usually puts his own bias and beliefs in creating the math that constitutes the analysis....

So he gets the answer e was looking for not really the story the stats tell him...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real problem with Stat Analysis is the guy who is making the analysis usually puts his own bias and beliefs in creating the math that constitutes the analysis&#8230;.</p>
<p>So he gets the answer e was looking for not really the story the stats tell him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334683</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 09:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No it&#039;s more like....

These stats show you the story I want you to believe and if they don&#039;t tell you that story they WOULD if that team had done better in the category I say is important....Because they would have been better statistically...

It&#039;s a pile of crap....

Here is something I cooked up to twart X&#039;s 30 years of research about how High OBP relates to HIGH RS...

http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/10/does-ops-correlate-better-to-runs-scored-than-rbi.html

Truth is most statistical analysis isn&#039;t done to find truths about baseball...
They are used to prove theories people have about baseball and the problem with that is the analysis is usually created by the thought and as a result the equations and weights used are a product of the bias and constructed to come up with the answer they WANT to see not the answer that the Stats really tell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it&#8217;s more like&#8230;.</p>
<p>These stats show you the story I want you to believe and if they don&#8217;t tell you that story they WOULD if that team had done better in the category I say is important&#8230;.Because they would have been better statistically&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pile of crap&#8230;.</p>
<p>Here is something I cooked up to twart X&#8217;s 30 years of research about how High OBP relates to HIGH RS&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/10/does-ops-correlate-better-to-runs-scored-than-rbi.html" rel="nofollow">http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/10/does-ops-correlate-better-to-runs-scored-than-rbi.html</a></p>
<p>Truth is most statistical analysis isn&#8217;t done to find truths about baseball&#8230;<br />
They are used to prove theories people have about baseball and the problem with that is the analysis is usually created by the thought and as a result the equations and weights used are a product of the bias and constructed to come up with the answer they WANT to see not the answer that the Stats really tell.</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334666</link>
		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 07:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, this was in reply to Joey D.

http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334656]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, this was in reply to Joey D.</p>
<p><a href="http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334656" rel="nofollow">http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334656</a></p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 07:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is exactly why you can&#039;t be trusted at all. You say this guy&#039;s a Phillie writer? Blatant lie. It&#039;s clear you didn&#039;t read the article or didn&#039;t understand it. I actually read this guy&#039;s article. And understood it. As PPPA went down from 2010-2011, so did the runs scored. He wrote it on June 13th, which was 66 games into the season and they had scored 267 runs. After 66 games in 2010, the Phillies had scored 307 runs. 

I think it&#039;s a very weak correlation and I would contend the decrease in runs is due to a team decrease in on base percentage and slugging percentage, but that&#039;s not the point. The point is, the author was mistaken is his findings, which would have lended itself to your ridiculous assessment if in fact he was right. They weren&#039;t scoring more with lower PPPA, they were scoring less, which agrees with the general principle. But you think that gives you license to undermine anything you don&#039;t agree with or understand. In other terms, you&#039;re agreeing with a factually incorrect statement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly why you can&#8217;t be trusted at all. You say this guy&#8217;s a Phillie writer? Blatant lie. It&#8217;s clear you didn&#8217;t read the article or didn&#8217;t understand it. I actually read this guy&#8217;s article. And understood it. As PPPA went down from 2010-2011, so did the runs scored. He wrote it on June 13th, which was 66 games into the season and they had scored 267 runs. After 66 games in 2010, the Phillies had scored 307 runs. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a very weak correlation and I would contend the decrease in runs is due to a team decrease in on base percentage and slugging percentage, but that&#8217;s not the point. The point is, the author was mistaken is his findings, which would have lended itself to your ridiculous assessment if in fact he was right. They weren&#8217;t scoring more with lower PPPA, they were scoring less, which agrees with the general principle. But you think that gives you license to undermine anything you don&#8217;t agree with or understand. In other terms, you&#8217;re agreeing with a factually incorrect statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 06:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Metsie,

Came across this interesting article from a Phillie writer trying to contend a correlation between run scoring and PPPA.  He uses a few years to show run production going up with higher PPPA with certain players.   However, when he came across a period when the Phillies were scoring more with a lower PPPA from certain players he excuses it by saying &quot;if they were seeing more pitches, they would likely score more runs.&quot;

So when a statistical correlation shows an opposite affect has it now come down to the addition of a disclaimer in order to dismiss it?  I can imagine Sandy coming on television to downplay the Mets scoring more runs by saying they could be scoring even more following his methodology.  The other side of the coin -  saying maybe they would have scored less  by taking more pitches - would never enter the conversation.

Bottom line is an average of four could be result in a 2-2 count as much as a 1 ball 3 strike plate appearance.  It&#039;s a stat but is really a quite useless piece of information   



http://ianriccaboni.wordpress.com/tag/pitches-per-plate-appearance/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Metsie,</p>
<p>Came across this interesting article from a Phillie writer trying to contend a correlation between run scoring and PPPA.  He uses a few years to show run production going up with higher PPPA with certain players.   However, when he came across a period when the Phillies were scoring more with a lower PPPA from certain players he excuses it by saying &#8220;if they were seeing more pitches, they would likely score more runs.&#8221;</p>
<p>So when a statistical correlation shows an opposite affect has it now come down to the addition of a disclaimer in order to dismiss it?  I can imagine Sandy coming on television to downplay the Mets scoring more runs by saying they could be scoring even more following his methodology.  The other side of the coin &#8211;  saying maybe they would have scored less  by taking more pitches &#8211; would never enter the conversation.</p>
<p>Bottom line is an average of four could be result in a 2-2 count as much as a 1 ball 3 strike plate appearance.  It&#8217;s a stat but is really a quite useless piece of information   </p>
<p><a href="http://ianriccaboni.wordpress.com/tag/pitches-per-plate-appearance/" rel="nofollow">http://ianriccaboni.wordpress.com/tag/pitches-per-plate-appearance/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334636</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 05:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t you know Joey?
X is the lord High Priest of OBP!
And Statistical Analysis....

He has 30 Years of research under his belt...It all came to the wrong conclusion and was showed to be wrong in about an hour but he has that 30 years of work in you know...

LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you know Joey?<br />
X is the lord High Priest of OBP!<br />
And Statistical Analysis&#8230;.</p>
<p>He has 30 Years of research under his belt&#8230;It all came to the wrong conclusion and was showed to be wrong in about an hour but he has that 30 years of work in you know&#8230;</p>
<p>LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334584</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 03:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Xtreem,

Technically your reputation is not at stake - after all, you were looking at that picture through a computer monitor! :)  

But recalling how Palmer and Hoffman gripped the ball and what such a placement causes the ball to do makes me also believe if asked in the broadcast booth you would have been able to point out some things Ike Davis was doing differently with his mechanics instead of saying you were just an &quot;observer&quot;.  l]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Xtreem,</p>
<p>Technically your reputation is not at stake &#8211; after all, you were looking at that picture through a computer monitor! <img src='http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>But recalling how Palmer and Hoffman gripped the ball and what such a placement causes the ball to do makes me also believe if asked in the broadcast booth you would have been able to point out some things Ike Davis was doing differently with his mechanics instead of saying you were just an &#8220;observer&#8221;.  l</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Petanick</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334571</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Petanick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 03:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree. There is some benefit to statistical analysis and modeling, but the game is still played on the field and the human element can never be accounted for by computers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree. There is some benefit to statistical analysis and modeling, but the game is still played on the field and the human element can never be accounted for by computers.</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334566</link>
		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 02:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You must have forgotten who I am and what my reputation is on this site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must have forgotten who I am and what my reputation is on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334565</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 02:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mitch,

That is why I gave kudos to you and others who were looking at the way he was gripping the baseball instead of his stats.   That&#039;s how it&#039;s done, not through a computer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mitch,</p>
<p>That is why I gave kudos to you and others who were looking at the way he was gripping the baseball instead of his stats.   That&#8217;s how it&#8217;s done, not through a computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Petanick</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334492</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Petanick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 00:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with projections on a player like Jurrjens is that they are based on numbers but doesn&#039;t look at why numbers are declining. A simple fix in mechanics (if it&#039;s a mechanical issue) could blow up those projections. They assume he will steadily decline over time due to previous seasons, and they may be right, but at 26 years old, unless its an injury, he definitely can turn this around. The problem is nobody an put a finger on why Jurrjens has been off so any projection is based on the assumption that he can&#039;t be fixed which makes it a flawed projection.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with projections on a player like Jurrjens is that they are based on numbers but doesn&#8217;t look at why numbers are declining. A simple fix in mechanics (if it&#8217;s a mechanical issue) could blow up those projections. They assume he will steadily decline over time due to previous seasons, and they may be right, but at 26 years old, unless its an injury, he definitely can turn this around. The problem is nobody an put a finger on why Jurrjens has been off so any projection is based on the assumption that he can&#8217;t be fixed which makes it a flawed projection.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 23:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He is awful and has nothing to bring him back. Every projection on him justifies the Braves dumping him. We don&#039;t want another Perez right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is awful and has nothing to bring him back. Every projection on him justifies the Braves dumping him. We don&#8217;t want another Perez right?</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/should-the-new-york-mets-pursue-jair-jurrjens.html#comment-334436</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The issue with that is that they won&#039;t be in position to develop that...
They are looking for a guy who can come in and eat up innings not someone who could become a great pitcher by them developing him.

But I agree just losing a fastball is no reason to say a guy is no longer able to be successfl...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue with that is that they won&#8217;t be in position to develop that&#8230;<br />
They are looking for a guy who can come in and eat up innings not someone who could become a great pitcher by them developing him.</p>
<p>But I agree just losing a fastball is no reason to say a guy is no longer able to be successfl&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hitman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s what I don&#039;t get: Even if Jurrjens lost the velocity of his fastball, he still can find a way to be effective and take on a different approach as a finesse type of pitcher, like Dillon Gee. I saw it in him when he came back against Boston last season. I&#039;d be more concerned about how Santana performs than Gee. Recently, it&#039;s been reported that Gee feels great with a better blood flow and the throwing program in his recovery is going smoothly. With Santana, is the ankle 100%? Most importantly, can he repeat the type of performance he did pre-no hitter? The answer is an obvious one to me. 

Harang &amp; Young= Pass.
Capuano &amp; Marcum= Yes. Been pushing for Marcum for a while now, being that like Jurrjens, is the type of guy the Mets like in those &quot;low-risk, high reward&quot; type of deals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I don&#8217;t get: Even if Jurrjens lost the velocity of his fastball, he still can find a way to be effective and take on a different approach as a finesse type of pitcher, like Dillon Gee. I saw it in him when he came back against Boston last season. I&#8217;d be more concerned about how Santana performs than Gee. Recently, it&#8217;s been reported that Gee feels great with a better blood flow and the throwing program in his recovery is going smoothly. With Santana, is the ankle 100%? Most importantly, can he repeat the type of performance he did pre-no hitter? The answer is an obvious one to me. </p>
<p>Harang &amp; Young= Pass.<br />
Capuano &amp; Marcum= Yes. Been pushing for Marcum for a while now, being that like Jurrjens, is the type of guy the Mets like in those &#8220;low-risk, high reward&#8221; type of deals.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 21:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well I&#039;m not sure but he does seem to fit this FO&#039;s penchant for shopping in the Damaged Goods, Returned and Opened Merchandise and Bargain Bins they seem to love to look in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m not sure but he does seem to fit this FO&#8217;s penchant for shopping in the Damaged Goods, Returned and Opened Merchandise and Bargain Bins they seem to love to look in.</p>
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		<title>By: My Beloved Mets &#8211; MMO: Should the Mets pursue RHP Jair Jurrjens?</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Beloved Mets &#8211; MMO: Should the Mets pursue RHP Jair Jurrjens?</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a post to Mets Merized Online, Mitch Petanick explores the possibility of the Mets signing RHP Jair Jurrjens. &#8220;At this [...]]]></description>
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