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Pros And Cons For Signing Michael Bourn
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So far this off-season, three outfielders have said their final goodbyes to the Mets. Jason Bay took his strikeouts and pop-ups to Seattle. Andres Torres left in search of a ring in San Francisco. And my wife’s ass is now on new Cubs outfielder Scott Hairston’s Wikipedia page. It goes without saying that the Mets are in serious need of some outfield help.
With Justin Upton joining brother B.J. and second baseman Dan Uggla in Atlanta to form the Underachieving U’s (quick, contact Ugueth Urbina’s agent – Urbina’s out of jail and needs a place to fail!), the Mets have now set their sights on former Braves outfielder Michael Bourn. His acquisition would instantly give the Mets a proven major league outfielder. It would also give the Mets a number of problems.
Here are three pros and three cons that have to be considered by Sandy Alderson in a potential signing of free agent outfielder Michael Bourn:
Goodbye Jason Bay, Andres Torres and Scott Hairston. Hello, Michael Bourn?
Pros:
1) Michael Bourn would instantly give the Mets a legitimate stolen base threat. In 2011, both Jose Reyes and Angel Pagan surpassed the 30-steal mark. Last year, David Wright led the team with only 15 thefts. As a team, the Mets’ 79 stolen bases in 2012 marked the first time they failed to steal 100 bases since the Art Howe era. In addition, no Met has stolen 40 bases in a season since Reyes swiped 56 bags in 2008, the same year Michael Bourn began his current streak of five straight 40+ steal seasons.
2) The Mets have only had two outfielders win a Gold Glove Award. Tommie Agee was the first in 1970 and Carlos Beltran won three consecutive Gold Gloves from 2006 to 2008. Bourn has a Gold Glove pedigree, taking home the hardware in 2009 and 2010 as a member of the Houston Astros. It should be noted that Houston’s Minute Maid Park has one of the most spacious and trickiest center fields in baseball, with Tal’s Hill, a flagpole and various outfield wall angles to contend with.
3) Lucas Duda is pegged to be a corner outfielder. That’s bumbling, stumbling, “I can’t move furniture without injuring myself” Lucas Duda. How bad is Duda in the outfield? Let’s just say George “The Stork” Theodore shakes his head whenever he sees Duda chasing a fly ball. In other words, the Mets desperately need an outfielder that can cover all the ground that Lucas Duda won’t. That’s where Michael Bourn will help the team the most.
Citi Field might see lots of this if the pros outweigh the cons.
Cons:
1) For a leadoff hitter, Bourn doesn’t have the most impressive on-base percentage. He has compiled a .350 on-base percentage just once in six full seasons in the majors and has maintained a .339 career OBP. He also averages nearly 2½ strikeouts for every walk he draws, a number that is far too high for a player who is expected to be a table setter at the top of the lineup.
2) In 2011, Bourn batted .294 with 61 stolen bases and 140 strikeouts in 656 at-bats. Last season, Bourn’s average dropped to .274 and he only swiped 42 bases. His strikeouts also increased to a career-high 155 while his at-bat total shrank to 624. Although he stole 19 fewer bases in 2012, Bourn still led the majors by being caught stealing 13 times.
3) Michael Bourn has been an All-Star and a Gold Glove winner because of his legs. But all of his accolades and stolen base totals were achieved while Bourn was in his 20s. Bourn is now running on 30-year-old legs. As shown above, it has become easier to throw him out on the basepaths, and Bourn is also taking off fewer times after reaching base. His natural decrease in speed will eventually affect him in center field as well, as fly balls he used to track down with ease can now potentially elude his glove.
A quick strike by Sandy Alderson might lead to quick strikeouts by Michael Bourn.
Every player has pros and cons. Michael Bourn is no exception. But with the Mets trying to build a contending team without sacrificing their future, every pro and every con has to be considered before making any player decision, including whether or not Bourn is worth the potential loss of a first-round draft pick.
Michael Bourn is clearly an above-average centerfielder. But is he an eight-figure a year player, especially now that he’s on the wrong side of age 30? Bourn also saw decreases in his stolen base total, as well as a lower batting average and higher strikeout rate. Is his play in 2012 the sign of a decline or was it just a blip on an otherwise successful career chart?
Clearly, the Mets cannot go into the 2013 season with an outfield of Lucas Duda, Kirk Nieuwenhuis and Mike Baxter. But is Michael Bourn worth the money he’ll be seeking to play at Citi Field? Is he the short-term answer that will lead to long-term success? It’s certainly going to be an interesting couple of weeks for Sandy Alderson as he weighs all the pros and cons of a potential Michael Bourn signing.
About the Author: Ed Leyro
Ed Leyro was hatched in the Bronx, but spent most of his youth in Queens at Shea Stadium. Apparently, all that time spent at Mets games paid off as Ed met his wife (The Coop) for the first time at Citi Field during its inaugural season. Guess the 2009 season was good for something after all. In addition to his work at Mets Merized Online, Ed also owns, operates and is head janitor at Studious Metsimus, where he shares blogging duties with Joey Beartran. For those not in the know, Joey is a teddy bear dressed in a Mets hoodie. Clearly, Studious Metsimus is not your typical Mets blog.
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Just call SNYBlog and have them Fuse Matt Den Dekker’s defense & speed with Kirk Nieuwenhuis’s strikeouts and were all good with a younger cheaper version of Bourn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4AsTD39wqA
Tx got me on the Bourn bandwagon for a while, but I have since fallen off. I am willing to buy a cheap ticket on the MDD defense is enough train though. Let him and Cowgill fight it out, but if Dekker can do anything with the bat, I will take a learning experience year to get the defense.
Good to know you like hundred loss teams. what a fan. Do you cry after a win. the first draft pick must be precious.
Padilla
So getting Bourne guarantees against a 100 loss season?
Well, I hope I can talk you back. To me, Bourn on a 4 year deal (52-ish mil) is not a short term type fix. This team needs solid D, especially with the clunkers they have in the corners. The holes he fills in CF D with an actual major league hitting ability (sorry Kapt K and MDD), speed on the bases and ability to hit leadoff are all things this team desperately need. He bats lefty, unfortunately, but going from a not so good lefty to a very good lefty is, uh, good, no?
The rub of this all is the loss of the pick. I think the pros of Bourn outweighs the cons in regards to what he adds to the team vs what they team loses in potential value in the 11th pick. Assuming you stay to slot with the 11th pick, the loss of the 2.5 mil is really moot. If the plan is to go under slot with the 11th pick and use the extra funds on later picks and international signings, I can understand the move (though I don’t agree with the theory).
Lastly, you are not going to see this team sign 3 OFs in one offseason. Get Bourn this year, Pence or Choo (or something similar) the next and 2014 is going to look really nice.
IF I MAY, THRERE’S ONE MORE “PRO” POTENTIAL TO ADDING BOURNE TO LEADOFF SPOT WITH INSTANT SCORING POSITION CAPABILITRY ala REYES; BECAUSE CIRCUMSTANTIAL OR NOT ’12 SANS REYES LEADING OFF MARKED THE FIRST SEASON OF 150G OR MORE WHERE WRIGHT FAILED TO DRIVE IN 100. RELATED? I BELIEVE SO. LET’S REMEMBER A THIRD OF THE TOP AMATURES WILL BE GONE BEFORE WE GET TO PICK @ #11 SO WE’RE NOT TALKING A HARPER,TROUT OR STRASSBURG HERE DESPITE BEING FIRST ROUND. CAN ANYONE SAY SHAWN ABNER? A. HEILMAN? MIKE PELFREY? NEED I GO ON? SOMETIMES THE DEVIL U KNOW IS SUPERIOR TO THE UNKNOWN!
LAST I’VE READ NIMMO’S STILL CONSIDERED “A NICE” POTENTIAL ADDITION, NOT A “CAN’T WAIT FOR” ADDITION.
Mr. Den Dekker does not need any help from Mr. Nieuwenhuis in the strikeout department, thank you very much. DD’s K rate (~29%) surpasses Kirk’s (~24%) in their full seasons in the minors, although the Captain has surpassed himself (and his OF mate) in his partial minor league seasons and his part season in the majors last year. Unfortunately, they both outstrip Bourn’s K rate in any of his seasons.
But chin up, if the Mets sign Bourn, Dave Hudgens will straighten him out, and pretty soon his K rate will be down around 10% and his OBP will be pushing .400. LOL
Go 3 years tops. Not longer and I’m OK.
Those cons are probably the biggest reason Bourn is still available.
I have to assume the $$$s and years Boras is putting out there is more than the Mets want to invest – and every other team that’s checked in on him.
I’m sure he’ll get close to what he’s asking for. I just don’t see the Mets being the team that signs him.
Another thing about Bourne’s stolen bases: He gets caught a lot too. The last 2 years, he’s been at 76% success rate. For his career, he’s at 81%.
Generally, you want to be at least 80%, otherwise, you are actually hurting your team.
that would be 70%… But yeah the point still applies
What I’m reading says 80%
75% if you’re being generous. But ya, the downward trend is troubling.
Generally, you want to be at least 80%, otherwise, you are actually hurting your team”
Wait, what?? When i told you that wright got caught 10 times out of 25 tries (40% of the time) and told you he hurt the team you said that was me just nitpicking and hating the guy, now you’re using the same logic to show some negativity about the guy? You are something else… This people and their AGENDA
When did I say that? I’m pretty open about my opinion on base stealing. If Wright is getting caught like that, he needs to stop trying to steal.
And of course, i figured you’d forget that as well…. F’ing liar and a hypocrite with an agenda
How can I forget something I never said? Care to point out where I have ever been forgiving of a SB success rate of less than 80%?
The same way you forgot when you said Krod’s 85% save rate with the mets was terrible…
Again, didn’t say that. I said it was middle of the road.
And I think saves and stats based off saves are bunk anyway.
Wright’s value is not in his legs. He doesn’t get paid to steal bases.
But a big part of Bourn’s value is in his legs. He gets paid to steal bases. So if he’s not doing it at an effective rate, well then there goes a lot of his value.
Wait what???? So if he’s not doing it at an effective rate, well then there goes a lot of his value” DW just got paid $138 million for 8 years, what is his value? He doesn’t hit for high avg, he doesn’t hit many HR, his defense is subpar to be fair, and he has no speed whatsoever, what exactly is his value again??? You’ve got to be kidding me… The double standard continues….
Wright’s value = HRs, 2Bs, RBIs, BA, OBP, situational hitting, solid defense, leadership, team ambassador
Wright’s value = HRs, 2Bs, RBIs, BA, OBP, situational hitting, solid defense, leadership, team ambassador”
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let’s see, here, LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! HR??? 20 Hr’s a year?
He doesn’t even crack the 100 RBI mark, his OBP is irrelevant since he’s getting paid to drive in runs not get on base, besides, he doesn’t score 100 runs either so shove your OBP down your ___
Situational hitting????????????????????? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah, Don’t make me laugh
Solid defense? Above avg to be nice
Leadership? Ambassador? You’re confusing longest tenure met with leadership, this man woudn’t know leadership if it were introduce to him on a blind date, stop it… And trust me, the mets are a losing mediocre team, and if anything, but appointing him the Captain or Team ambassador as you said, tells you all you need to know about being a fan of his more than the team. It’s sad and pathetic how you guys wanna portrait this guy, a team pegged to lose 100 games and we’re talking about team ambassador.. Give me a f’ing break…
Are you kidding? For someone who has played his entire career in pitchers parks, and from 2009 to 2011 a highly extreme one, Wright’s RBIs and HRs are extremely good.
There is no one else on the team who can match Wright for HRs and RBI over the time period he’s been a Met. No one.
And, lol, OBP is NEVER irrelevant. You want that in ALL your players, whether they are speed, power or defense players.
And, yes, situational hitting. Do you have a substantive retort to that instead of just: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah? That’s a pretty lame and useless answer.
And yes, definitely leadership and ambassador. The Mets call on him all the time to meet, greet, talk to guests, new players, fans, you name it. No other Met has done that job as well as Wright over the years. No one,
And, no, I didn’t proclaim him to be a leader and ambassador. That’s just what he is, as established by the FO, owners, fans and his teammates.
The guy’s career average is 26 hrs per year. Hits over .300 for his career, finished 6th in MVP voting last year, that would be top ten for those keeping track, multiple players on the actual team, you know the ones playing along side him, have been quoted how much Wright is a leader, but this guy knows otherwise.
Stop arguing with the #1 fan of the He Man Wright Haters Club – it’s useless and a waste of bandwidth. Wright could hit a walk off grand slam to win the WS after the bullpen lost the lead in the top of the 9th and he’d find a way to criticize DW for it. It’s now comical.
I am done with you… The man’s had 4 consecutive miserable 2nd halves to say the least, extremely good and david wright should never be put together in a sentence. You’ve got to be kidding me with this asinine comment. Move it along, I won’t get trough to you, what’s next, that contract is not good enough for him? He’s actually underpaid? these new breed of mets fans SMH
LOL, since when is a season 3 months? Last I checked it was still 6 months.
David Wright has been extremely good as a Met. His stats are in the elite category. The Mets are fortunate to have drafted and kept him. That’s one very good signing by Phillips, along with Reyes.
David Wright’s numbers pre 2008 and after….
2004-2008: 309 BA 26 HR 100 RBI 921 OPS 37 DBLS
To make him look even better here’s his first full 4 years
2005-2008: 311 30 HR 112 RBI 930 OPS 42 DBLS
Now, here’s reality and what we’ll get (If we’re lucky) going forward at best while making $20 million per season:
2009-2012: 290 BA 18 HR 82 RBI 843 OPS 35 DBLS
2009-2012 Second half:
992 AT BATS 260 HITS 262 BA 38 HR (Avg 9 HR in 2nd half) 143 RBI (Avg 35) 762 OPS
Yeah, let that sink in for a second….
Hey, yeah, let’s all just conveniently forget that 2009 was the move to one of the most extreme pitchers parks in the majors.
Come on Alex. I am not a Wright lover but at least make your arguments real.
Doesnt hit for a high average? He is a career .300 hitter which means a lot post steroid era.
He should have won the GG last season so his defense is not subpar.
His RBI totals on a team without a legit leadoff man and a so so offense are up there. I agree at this point he is a 90-100 RBI guy (with about 20HRS). That is plenty of production considering he does play in Citi (put him in Cincinnati and he hits 30 each year).
Is he worth $138M? The better question is how much will the Mets get burnt on this contract because almost every contract longer than 5 years bites a team in the a**. The hope is he can play at this level for 4 years before he starts to tail off. Only time will tell.
there just does not seem to be the potential for a serious OF this year, even with Bourn. So what the heck, since it is a retooling year anyway, let the young guys fight for a job, and see what any of them can do. Cowgill can play CF. MDD is a serious glove man. Give them a chance, and see if you can get another part of the future out of it.
The issue with Bourn is that signing him goes against what this front office has claimed to be trying to achieve. That is, get away from backloaded, burdensome contracts that hamper the team in future seasons. While there will be excellent exceptions to this on individual basis, Bourn does not represent that type of exception. He is not the type of difference maker that would warrant a high dollar, backloaded deal. And let’s not forget who his agent is: Scott Boras. He’s unlikely to come cheaply even though Spring Training is almost here. Now, if he would accept a one or two year deal I might reconsider. But, the problem even with that is: is 1 or 2 years of Bourn worth losing your 1st round pick in 2013?
You mean like the deal they gave Wright? When you gonna wake up and realize that liarson never said an honest word in his life, well, at least his Met life.
And Alderson gave Wright the deal…is that your accusation?
Ironic, that goes against everything Alderson has done. Plus, it is worthy to note it was Jeffy boy who mentioned Wright as an Ambassador and was in on the negotiations. So you are telling me that Alderson, as anal as they come, would enter into negotiations without knowing the value of a guy on the open market because he didnt shop him? Highly unlikely.
Fred and Jeff wanted Wright in a Mets uniform. That much should be clear to everyone.
This article really spells out the division with Bourne and why there is a split on this site among the fans. It could really go either way. While it is probable there will be decline in years to come, hence why most will shy away from 5 years, the fact is he is still a terrific ballplayer with skills that wont vanish overnight.
If the Mets do come to an agreement with him, I will be happy. If not, I wont be all that upset since I would like to see what Kirk and Den Dekker can do. I have a feeling, if Bourne is not signed, Den Dekker will be the CF by years end (I believe he will start in Vegas).
I Agree about the Dekker situation. And why I was willing to go ahead, and if he looked good in ST, to let him have a year to learn on the job. Hitting might be rough at times, but at least you will get the glove!
Hi Task,
Know you are playing devil’s advocate giving the pros and cons but you recognize, of course, that despite the reasons you list not to sign Bourn it could be considered be a good move for the Mets at this time are the exact reasons why it was contested re-signing Reyes would not be a good move. A multi-year contract for an aging player (Jose considered aging not by years but due to being injury prone) whose dependency is on speed and therefore will be in the decline for a good portion of that contract.
We might not even be having this discussion if Sandy didn’t have that “good day” a year ago and tried to extend the contract of the center fielder he already had who puts up better figures than Bourn.
Extend Pagan, after the 2011 season? Talk about hindsight. Many had him on the most likely to be non tendered lists.
Hi Trs,
And look at the contract he just signed with the Giants…, and whom we have left from the trade that sent him there?
It’s not a question of hindsight. Look what Angel did in 2009 and 2010 – and even his off year in 2011 in which he battled colitis.
Of course the Mets considered non-tendering him before they sent him off for non-entities. What would one expect from this front office? Don’t think using it to back up a point helps the cause any.
Joey, most baseball sights listed him as a potential non-tender candidate. It wasn’t just the Mets FO that thought he might get overpaid in arbitration considering how bad his season was.
“If the Mets do come to an agreement with him, I will be happy. If not, I wont be all that upset since I would like to see what Kirk and Den Dekker can do. ”
No you must take a definitive stand, it is decreed.
Bourn wants similar deal as BJ Upton. Why didn’t Sandy go after him instead given the choice? Upton gives you the defense and speed Bourn does, plus power.averaging 20 HR a season over last 3 years. Not to mention he’s younger.
Bourne wants a deal similar to Upton…it doesnt mean he will get it.
At this point, I think they are comparable players. However, the age difference is what is the hangup. A 5 year deal for Upton is good because he is only 27. Not so with Bourne. The three year age difference, because of the dependence upon speed, separates the two contractually.
So who actually really believes the Mets will sign Michael Bourn?? I’m just curious.
who actually believes that bourn wants to come to NY ???
did texas sign a CF after losing Josh Hamilton?
If not, I can see Bourn going to Texas on a 1 year 10 mil deal.
hell i can see the yanks trading granderson and signing Bourn for a 5 year / 50 mil deal before I see Sandy signing him
Exactly.
Boras is the agent. The guy goes to the highest bidder.
Hi Hank,
You know my answer to that one.. LOL
I seriously hope they don’t even try to sign him, it would be a waste of time. I didn’t know he struck out that much….pass please.
We could of had Delmon Young for 750 grand but he said some terrible things so forget him. As a stopgap we could of had Andruw Jones for a million. But he beat his wife and is headed to Japan. We could of had Matt Diaz also at a decent price but the Yanks got him. My point: every player I bring up Met fans and Alderson will find an EXCUSE not to sign them to include guys like Rick Ankiel. None of these guys would break the bank and would help. So NO we will not get Bourn. Strikes out too much, over 30 and legs are starting to go,gets caught stealing, wants too much money for too long and on and on and on. Oh yerah now Alderson says he would have pursued Hairston BUT. Hey Alderson put it where the sun won’t shine. YOU HAVE AN EXCUSE FOR EVERYBODY! and most Met fans do too. Enjoy last place.
well, none of those 3 guys are actually good at this point. basically guys that if they were already on the team, people would be lumping them in with the rest of the “trash” in the OF they were screaming at Sandy to upgrade from.
If a player accepts a ST invite, can he still accept a MLB guaranteed contract from another team?
Because although Ankiel isnt a savior, as a stopgap and at a couple of million he can contribute, hes 33 and hit .228 5 15 in 158 at bats, that would translate into .228 16 50 over 520 at bats, which isnt awful for a guy who can still move in the OF and gets good jumps on balls off the bat.
No Joe. If a player has a ST invite it means he agreed to a minor league contract with that organization with, in most instances, an agreed upon major league contract if he makes the team out of camp or later in the season.
Case example: Chris Young. He was given a minor league contract with a ST invite in 2012. He started the year in the minors and when he was promoted to the big leagues, his major league contract of $1M plus incentives (or whatever the exact numbers were) kicked in.
Ok, good to learn…did dumbo eared Austin Kearns sign yet?
whats crazy is that the same folks who make up excuse after excuse for these other players never entertain the notion that signing David Wright comes with potential drawbacks too…
they point to other 3B who have aged well….with the blind hope that David will continue that path…
point out his 4 consecutive 2nd half nose-dives…and they point to his outstanding 2007/2008 numbers !
point out the fact that 3 of his past 4 seasons has been mediocre with the glove….and they say he had a good year this year….
the willful blindness of these people is at a comical level
I agree with you almost 100%, but, Wright is still better than most any available replacement, and at this point is the face of the franchise. For what that’s worth, if anything, people will still but tickets to see David Wright play and he will be an above average 3b.
Andrew Jones? I guess you didnt read what Yankees wrote about him and their feelings towards his play. In summary, they werent exactly enamored with him even at a discounted price.
If I am not mistaken, he hit sub .200.
“We could of had Delmon Young for 750 grand but he said some terrible things so forget him. ”
And you know, plays crap defense, isn’t all that impressive offensively and has some serious anger management issues.
If this team was in a postion to go from contender to division champ, I say do it. However, this is blatantly not the case.
With this lineup and Bourn leading off I see .250 avg, .302 obp, 20 sb, 185 k’s and 50 bb’s. All for what, probably 13-14mil/yr. No thanks. Granted on a team with 1 hole to fill, I see his numbers much better with better hitters around him.
Not to mention be the time the team can actually contend, he will really be washing out, and in the interim, he’s not even the type of guy to put butts in the seats and help revenue that way.
This by all means is not a knock on Bourn, I just see it as a poor fit for all parties involved.
sorry to change the subject – its been baeten enough anyway-but i stumbled into this :
Mets fans had plenty of reasons to be optimistic after the 2006 season. The club — led by a slugging first baseman who appeared en route to a 500-plus home run career and a shortstop who could steal bases and hit for power — won the National League East by 12 games and went to Game 7 of the National League Championship Series.
Mets fans, of course, never got the chance to see Carlos Delgado and Jose Reyes spray World Series champagne all over each other. The Mets didn’t make the playoffs in 2007 and 2008 thanks to epic late-season collapses, and they’ve struggled to remain relevant in the standings ever since.
But Delgado and Reyes are together again — this time in Nassau County Supreme Court. Sports memorabilia dealer Spencer Lader and other defendants in the case want Reyes, now with the Blue Jays, to tell them under oath what he knows about Delgado’s relationship with Anthony Galea, the controversial Toronto sports medicine doctor — and human growth hormone proponent — who pleaded guilty in July 2011 to transporting misbranded and unapproved drugs into the United States.
“I’m not saying Delgado used steroids, but I do have a right to know if he did,” Lader says. “We thought his name had commercial value, but everybody knows players linked to steroids have no commercial value.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/memorabilia-dealer-juice-delgado-article-1.1248819#ixzz2JDqet7Rb
I think beltran went to see this doc too- could be a major scandal breaking.
Interesting. Couldn’t care less about those non-Mets now, but I wonder if David Wright was in the loop and a reason why he went onto decline after 2008 when the Galea rumors first surfaced and the Mitchell report too? It was also common knowledge that his best friend on the team was Pail LoDuca who was also connected to him, was on the Mitchell Report, received and signed for steroids at Shea, and subsequently admitted to it and publicly apologized.
Well, looky looky, Sadecki that hates all humans who are Latino is all juiced up over this. Happy days for Sadecki. Once a bigot always a bigot. Get down to that Arizona border and help keep the baddies out Sadecki.
The last thing on my mind about that link was that the person who left it was bigoted. I actually thought it was interesting and see no need to take it somewhere it doesn’t need to be. Galea is connected to more than just Latinos anyway if you’ve been following the news on him. Dozens of athletes are implicated from all walks of life.
Ray – interesting story. I’m not really sure why the dealer thinks he has a right to force this issue….. that seems odd to me.
I believe Reyes gave testimony/witness statements to the FBI about Galea, no?
Galea is the doctor that Reyes received “plasma injections” from right?
Same thing with Tiger Woods…. always seemed sketchy at best, but realistically I am not sure what kind of ground the dealer has that the FBI didn’t
Yes, Beltran sought a 2nd opinion in 2009 when the met cracker jack medical staff was screwing with his knee…
after Beltran saw what the mets were doing with Reyes’s calf…I mean hamstrings…Beltran referred Reyes to Galea…
Reyes said Galea’s treatment had no effect on his torn hamstring…
quick question…
does it NOT bother you that the almighty Sandy Alderson still has the same medical staff from 2009 on board?
and unlike the mets…ray’s other side gig fired him when folks started getting hurt..
http://www.readtheapple.com/2010/12/mets-trainer-ray-ramirez-fired-from.html
Im glad you liked my link padilla, It only took 2 comments to get labeled a bigot.
Peter- thanks but some people like to throw the race card out there every chance they get.
Jessep- This a civil matter so not double jeopardy. a subpoena will still need to be answered.
Ray, no I guess what I mean is – will his request hold up in court? Why would a judge look at Reyes’ talks with the FBI and the FBI accepting what he told them and think “i’m gonna let this merch dealer take this further than the FBI wanted to.”
jessep — when the FBI questioned Reyes, the object of their investigation was Galea. But the object of any questioning in this civil case would be Delgado, who is the defendant in this suit. Two different lines of questioning, though they may overlap a little.
jessep – I dont know. Maybe if there is a lawyer here they can give an answer. I also see that A-roid is on the back cover of the news with a story of how his nutrition advisor is under investigation for supplying several atheletes with PEDs, This story is not going away and neither are the banned substances it seems. btw the delgado story makes the connection between career ending hip surgury for delgado and aroids current hip troubles.
Trade for coco crisp. similar to bourne and a lot cheaper.
Bourn and Coco are similar, but Bourn is better at this stage. I lean towards Coco but we don’t know what the price in prospects is.
Just saying guys… Padilla is blatantly a troll. Responding to that thing just makes it feel better, so don’t.
Ultimately, what is the big deal about the PED scandal. Just like every other one, it might tarnish some players but that is about it. DelGado isnt likely to make the HOF anyway so it wont affect him. MLB does not make any penalties retroactive and Beltran nor Reyes ever failed anything (nor were accused of anything). As for Wright, again not proof of anything. Potentially, him and Beltran could have their HOF chances affected if tied to PEDs but baseball will have long come to grips with things by the time they are eligible.
yeah fans were starting the steroid talk in 2010 with Wright…
http://www.faniq.com/blog/David-Wright-is-now-huge-Is-he-doing-steroids-Blog-36790
it looks a bit worse when we find out his agents were caught procuring PED’s for their clients..
jdd,
Yes those roids are really helping wright to hit those mammoth home runs. But why do you always say the only power threat on the team is ike?
It is proven that PEDs, not only steroids, help in other ways. Not everyone who took them was after growth. Muscle recovery and reflex time are two things that are improved through the use of these drugs.
Yeah an assumption on a blog, which no facts to back it up really means something, well I guess to some it’s gospel if it paints Wright in a negative light.
“But seriously, if Wright starts off this year clubbing 500 foot homers, expect the questions to pop up instantly.”
Clearly he didn’t so……………
As you point out, Kay, it’s nothing. Just idle and wild speculation. There’s no more evidence that Wright did PEDs than there is for, say, someone like Jose Reyes or Jeter.
It’s good to know that no major Met player of the last 10 years or so has come under the heavy PEDs taint that players like A-Rod have.
Bourn is a bad idea if you have to give up a pick. And this just in, most if not all GMs and owners lie.
All.
Hi Peter,
If most if not all general managers lie (and I agree with you) then there goes the argument about trusting Sandy at his word saying he is trying to rebuild rather than just cut expenditures.
He also says he doesn’t want to punt away 2013. Remember what he said in November, 2011?
“We’re not going to punt on 2012 if Jose doesn’t re-sign.”
You’re right, Most, if not all, general managers lie.