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2013
Piazza Can Still Make The Mets Hall of Fame In 2013
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Mike Piazza may have been shutout by the Baseball Writers which you can read below, but according to Adam Rubin, he could very well be inducted into the Mets Hall of Fame during the 2013 season.
The Mets’ Hall of Fame committee — which has included team employees Dave Howard and Jay Horwitz, former player Al Jackson and media members Gary Cohen, Howie Rose and Marty Noble — is expected to meet before spring training to discuss any inductees to the upcoming class. An announcement is expected in the next several weeks.
The committee technically decides whether to recommend any number retirements as well. Jeff Wilpon makes the final call in both cases.
The Mets only have one former player’s number retired — Tom Seaver’s No. 41. Still, there appears to be strong consideration to have Piazza leapfrog other worthy candidates such as Dwight Gooden, Darryl Strawberry, Keith Hernandez and Gary Carter and retire No. 31 at least once Piazza achieves Cooperstown.
Lets hope Mikey gets his well deserved big day at Citi Field… As for Cooperstown, there’s always next year.
Original Post
In what has been easily the most controversial ballot in the history of the Baseball Hall of Fame, the much anticipated results are in. The Baseball Writers Association of America have elected to enshrine nobody into Cooperstown for the first time since 1996 and the eighth time in the history of the Hall of Fame since their first ballot in 1936.
In a first ballot that saw controversial names such as Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, who failed to crack 40% as well as Sammy Sosa who received just over 12% of the vote. Piazza had a nice showing at 57.8%, finishing fourth overall and second only to Craig Biggio who led the board with 68.2%; just 39 votes short of the needed 427. Dale Murphy received 18.6% of the vote in what was his 15th year of eligibility and as a result will not be on the 2014 ballot.
The other BBWAA elections without a winner were in 1945, 1946, 1950, 1958 and 1960.
“The standards for earning election to the Hall of Fame have been very high ever since the rules were created in 1936,” Hall of Fame President Jeff Idelson said. “We realize the challenges voters are faced with in this era. The Hall of Fame has always entrusted the exclusive voting privilege to the baseball writers. We remain pleased with their role in evaluating candidates based on the criteria we provide.”
Bernie Williams, Kenny Lofton, Sandy Alomar Jr., Julio Franco, David Wells, Steve Finley, Shawn Green and Aaron Sale all received votes, but did not reach the required 5% to stay on the ballot for next year.
Biggio’s son Conor had this to say via Twitter following the surprising results that his father was denied the honor of becoming the 45th first-ballot Hall of Famer:
This summer will only feature the Veteran’s Committee candidates making it into Cooperstown. Umpire Hank O’Day, Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert and 19th-century catcher/third baseman Deacon White will be honored on July 28th; all of which have been deceased for over 70 years.
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Clayton, a Long Island native and die-hard Mets fan, started writing online about three years ago. He is currently a Journalism major with a minor in Broadcasting at Seton Hall University. Although very disappointed with the current state of the team, Clayton remains hopeful that the young prospects in the farm system will bring the Mets back to a respected franchise in baseball once again. Besides writing for MMO, Clayton is also a staff member at 89.5 WSOU, Seton Hall's modern active rock radio station. You can contact Clayton by following him on Twitter: @Clayton_Collier or E-mailing him at MaybeNextYearMets@yahoo.com
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Well, and there you have it. Can’t say I’m all that surprised.
Piazza will get in, there’s no way he doesn’t – IMO. It just won’t be this year.
Sosa, Clemens, Bonds will never get in! Good!!!
Seriously, what can we expect from a bunch of pigs but a bunch of grunts?
I’m so shocked by this. The BBWAA needs to be cut out of the process.
All the anticipation and they unseal an empty envelope. Mike will get in next year.
Next year’s ballot is going to be crazy packed with Glavine, Maddux on it. Clemens has a long wait ahead of him. lol
Jack Morris should’ve been voted in. He had nothing to do with this era, and while i get the whole punish the steroid users, what good does it really do if they’ll be voted in regardless? It kinda doesn’t make sense IMO
Per Hotstreak:
Heyman would have voted when eligible for Andy Petitte even after he admitted use of HGH (for medical reasons) but not for Piazza based on speculation.. As to the congressional testimony of Petitte on Roger Clemens and roids:
Per Hardballtalk May 7, 2012
“Heyman goes on to accuse Pettitte of “bending the truth” to help a friend.
He calls Pettitte’s testimony a “pathetic change-up,” “sudden
amnesia,” and a “lame, less-then-honest performance.” There is something
lame, pathetic and less-than-honest here, and it’s Heyman’s approach to
this story.
Heyman goes on to say that this is the last straw for Pettitte’s Hall
of Fame case in his eyes” That he may have voted for Pettitte despite
his win total and his HGH history because the postseason performances
were so money that they outweighed it. But now?”
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/18983739/pettittes-underoath-about-face-costs-him-one-hall-of-fame-vote
The above is right from the horses arse’s mouth.
I am really amazed that Biggio didn’t get in. I expected Piazza and Bagwell wouldn’t. This is becoming quite a joke. Some writers have this God complex going on and are digging doing things like this and enjoying their power trip.
While I think Piazza deserves to get in…I actually think the voters did the best thing possible as far as the ballot they were presented….
Only 8 times in all of history has NO ONE been elected to the hall….Since 1936!
You ask me that number should be MUCH MUCH higher but as I said yesterday to Jessup….
They vote based on the guys on the ballot and when the Ballot contains a long list of guys who shouldn’t be in there or are borderline, what happens is the votes shift to a guy who probably doesn’t deserve it but just happened to get enough votes for induction.
Thats why we have all these guys in there who people use to say “Well if HE is in then This guy should be too”
If the guy who didn’t get in was on as weak a ballot as the guy who did he WOULD have gotten in!
That said KUDOS to the voters who submitted EMPTY ballots….
At least they get it that just because you can vote doesn’t mean you should even though you don’t believe anyone on the ballot deserves it.
You can quibble that some of these guys deserve to get in like Piazza but if you have reservations at all then you should NOT vote for someone until those reservations go away or he actually is the BEST most deserving guy on the ballot.
What happened here was not so much people voting FOR players on the ballot or looking for who deserved to get in….
Most of the votes were based on who NOT to vote for and after that the votes got split among the few who remained, none of them getting enough to get in.
Terrible, absolutely terrible
It’s bewildering. I’ve been tuned in almost all day to MLB Network excited to see the outcome. I cant tell you how shocked I was when they read the results.
Listening to the Fan on IPOD (not easy I loath Mike F), I DVR’d the MLB show – not sure I even want to watch it now.
Seems spineless to me that no one, putting aside any allegiance to Piazza, what about the others? Come on.
BTW, today we wave goodbye to Angelo who now can chat in that same venue that he obviously loves so much.
I didn’t know it still existed until someone linked me to it and I wish they hadn’t. LOL. I guess I am a popular person on there.
Not as popular as me. lol
LOL
That ticket from Germany to Bayonne, will be pricey.
Bayonne, France? Can’t be that much
LOL look at you I had no idea there was a French city named Bayonne. Great job, I love that stuff.
It’s really sad to see how the terrible acts of few affect the hall of fame status of the entire 2013 class. Like all Mets fans I’m extremely upset that Piazza did not get in this year, but I’m also disappointed that Biggio, Bagwell, and Morris are not getting their deserved spot in the hall. I completely respect the voters decision, they know a lot more about the game than I do, but overall, today is a sad day for baseball (as said by John Heyman on MLB Network).
Sad day for baseball. Hopefully Piazza gets in next year. It seems nobody wanted him to be a first ballot hall of famer. As for Biggio, will Jeff Kent bump him next year?
You know, this is exactly what happen to another very popular mets blog..
Watching MLB Network and Ken Rosenthal just ate his words and looked like a boob. He says, “I admit it, I have a policy of never voting anyone on the first ballot.”
Then Gammons says are you telling us you are not voting Greg Maddux to the HOF next year?
Rosenthal starts fumbling and stuttering and said no wait, I reassess my policy every year.
LOL!!
Jon Heyman saying it’s a sad day for baseball sounds so phony considering he didn’t vote for Piazza. I think it is a sad day, but we don’t need him to give us the FDR speech.
I would rather no one get voted in then some and not others. What a crappy situation overall. I get that Bonds and Celmons cheated but how can you explain the history of baseball and ignore those guys. Put them in and explain the who story about them. That’s what a museum does.
And listening to Mad Dog ranting: ” whoever voted for Sele should get their voting rites taken away”.
Like I said before there have only been 8 other times when NO ONE got elected….
And I think that number shoud be much higher….
Thats why we have al these He got In so too should this guy….
Because people voted for the best guy on the ballot in a weak ballot year when they should have returned an Empty Ballot.
This year was nothing more than a MESSAGE VOTE if you ask me…
Next year one of these guys will get in….
Lets hope it’s Piazza cause it would be nice to have another Met in there…
Well guys, there’s first time HOF candidates coming in next year of Glavine, Maddux, Thomas, Mussina and Kent.
If Thomas doesn’t make it as a first ballot HOF next year, we have a problem.
He won’t. He spent most of his career as a DH.
If I’m right that Glavine, Maddux and maybe Mussina will get in the first time.
I don’t think Mussina is getting in. Take away the compiled wins and I think he has only had 4-5 HOF worthy years. His ERA was real high, gave up a ton of HR’s and his post season performance was pretty bad. He does have a great k/bb ratio.
Agreed.
I agree with you on Mussina.
I think Maddux might be one of those rare first-time-on-ballet HOF. Not sure about Glavine but he’ll for sure get in.
You mean to tell me a former 2-time MVP, .301 career hitter with 521 HRs wont get in? He spent the majority of his career as a 1st baseman as well.
I guess “most” was overselling a bit. He was more a DH than a 1B, though. 2322 career games, 971 as a 1B, 1351 as a DH.
Point is, Bagwell has similar stats, was leagues better defensively and on the bases and still hasn’t gotten in. I can’t see Thomas making it in until things change in the voting process.
I should also say this is a guess on how the BBWAA will vote. He’s on my ballot for sure.
“Bagwell has similar stats, was leagues better defensively and on the bases and still hasn’t gotten in.”
Unlike Bagwell, Thomas is one of those rare guys who has never been under that cloud of suspicion in his era. It would be absolutely ridiculous for some to even think that Thomas was on PEDs, but knowing the children that are the BBWAA, who knows what will happen over the next 12 months?
Someone in the BBWAA will remember that Hurt played with Sosa for a spell and remember that he had back acne.
I’m not so sure about that. Surprised you didn’t mention Maddux as the definite first ballot In that group.
Maddux is a shoo-in as a first ballot HOF. There should any question in anyone’s mind about that. Between 1992-1998, name me someone who was as dominant as Maddux in that stretch, especially in 1995.
All the excitement to just hear that 3 people, not alive, will be enshrined this year.
I guess it is easier, less controversial, to vote in someone you can’t talk to or have make another long speech while keeping out Piazza and Biggio who were denied by an overly judgmental BBWAA.
Ridiculous …
MLB taking a page from Greek Mythology elected “Nobody” to the Hall Of Fame.
LOL look at you I had no idea there was a French city named Bayonne. Great job, I love that stuff.
Yes. From what I was told, the Bayonette was invented there. Not sure how true it is.
putting aside the debate about who got votes, that is one heck of a talented list.
Its a sad day for all baseball fans, and baseball in general. Just another effect of the steroid era and how it has now even tainted the HOF voting process and future inductions. Yes being a Mets fan I am obviously disappointed for Piazza, but I even feel worse about what steriod use has done to the process itself.
I see the divide between voting members of the BBWAA on the steroid issue as putting many eligibles deserving induction, and not associated with steroid use, in what I’ll call steroid limbo. The users, players like Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Palmiero, and probably more to join them soon, will be appearing on some writers ballots for their 15 years of eligibility, never achieving 75%, but preventing others from induction. If there were no steroids, some of the players accused of using would be getting inducted and not appearing on the ballot the next year. But with the split voting on the steroid users, they’ll keep being on the ballot for 15 years and prevent others who deserve to be inshrined, from getting inducted by taking up spots on writers ballots.
Craig Biggio should have been a lock this year and I see him has being a victim and falling into steroid limbo. Perhaps Piazza too. And there may be more to come in the next few yeras. Unfortunately we may be entering a period where payers won’t receive the mandatory 75% for consecutive years. I hope I am wrong and I hope this mess works out somehow.
Were Piazza and Biggio denied due to the “first” year circumstance or due to other circumstances?
my guess, some of each, but mostly the 1st year issue. Will find out for sure next year!
i also think that the uproar over the vote will get extra votes for both those guys next year, and they will both get in.
I would hope Piazza was due to the 1st year issue. Not that many have entered on 1st year (about 20%), so next year might be a more clear barometer. Next year Maddox, Glavne and a couple of other strong players are first year eligible.
I agree with the tone of “Piazza’s response” but it wasn’t Piazza. the piece was satirical, written by Craig Calcaterra of HardballTalk
Joe, Piazza did not write that piece. This was at the bottom:
*At least we here are assuming this was Mike Piazza. We heard this voice with a distinct Pennsylvania accent saying these words in our head moments after the Hall of Fame results were announced and felt duty-bound to put to pen to paper in order to preserve them for posterity.
Did Sandy Alderson get in? If not, ban the writers.
I wasnt surprised at all. The only surprise I have is at how many people couldn’t believe no one was elected.
We apologize again for the fault in the HOF ballot. Those responsible for sacking the HOF nominees who have just been sacked have been sacked.
Matt.
You, me and 140 other whooping llamas.
We become the new voters.
But never a swallow!
Did you mean African or European?
This is a sad day for all of baseball – and it’s all of baseball that has to take responsibility for it.
This happened under Bud Selig’s watch yet he evaded the issue completely until the situation finally began to leak its way to the media. So did the owners, managers, players who were clean.
The biggest hypocrites in all this MIGHT BE those baseball writers who submitted ballots for today’s hall of fame election. Perhaps the average fan was not aware that so many players suddenly became bigger but what about those who covered the game for a living? They knew about steroids and athletics. Ben Johnson made headlines in the 1988 summer olympics in South Korea when he shattered the record for the the 100 meter run. A few days later he made bigger headlines when the gold medal was stripped from him after being tested for steroids. Lyle Alzado died in 1992 and before that time admitted taking performance enhancing drugs which caused him to develop the brain tumor that eventually took away his life.
I did say MIGHT be hypocrites because though I don’t recall any controversy being reported until the bottle was found in McGwire’s locker, perhaps there was and I just was unaware of it at the time.
I hope MMO’s own members of the fourth estate who covered baseball during that time can shed some light on whether or not the media in general raised this as an issue to clear up any false assumptions as to the complicity of the baseball writers in this as well.
Joey, many people like to blame the media for this, but here’s why I give them a pass …
Strict journalistic integrity demands a writer have serious sources for this stories. He can’t base his stories on conjecture and speculation. So it was the tendency of many writers to hold off on simply accusing players of things they suspected without hard evidence. First off, this is the way they were trained. Second, their editors and bosses were trained that way too, and wouldn’t allow writers to simply speculate left and right. If you need proof of that, remember what Chass wrote? He said he kept wanting to write an article accusing Piazza but that his bosses wouldn’t let him. And I say thank you to his bosses.
If the media acted the way many fans say they should have, Piazza would be burnt toast by now — just as guilty in many eyes as Bonds and Clemens. And so would many other players for whom just suspicions exist.
That’s why I can’t blame the media.
Hi Metro,
The reason I do not agree is that there are two different aspects of journalism involved:
1) The reporting of a story which is supposed to be non-biased (sic).
2) An editorial or commentary in which the author can express opinion.
These questions can be raised in commentaries distinghishable from the reporting of a story reported. Based on the physical observations they saw and the proven use of steroids by some in the Olympics and Football and performances beyond anything done before (including players getting stronger and better as they approached middle age) there were enough to be suspicious about to raise a valid question instead of the usual witch-hunt.
I know baseball is a closed shop in which even the media can’t get itself into, however, they had evidence of a potential smoking gun and I wonder how many hid from their responsibility as editorial writers and commentators?
How can you opine without citing specifics? And reporters don’t have the luxury of writing opinion pieces. That’s not their job. Some columnists do have that luxury, so I guess if you’re referring to them, perhaps you have a point. But for beat reporters like Rubin or Martino? That’s not their job. Their bosses wouldn’t let them write pure opinion pieces.
So you have never seen either Rubin or Martino do an Opinion piece?
Since there is no baseball being played what do you think they are writing about now to earn thier paychecks?
Did they just go on vacation? Are they just covering basketball now and not writing about the mets?
They do it mostly in their blogs. Most reporters didn’t have blogs in the 1990s and the beginning of the last decade. I’m pretty sure blogging by reporters only took off sometime in the last decade.
Beat reporters rarely if ever do pure opinion pieces that run in the main part of the paper. Their papers won’t let them.
Oh Please…..
The papers they write for are STILL PAYING THEM!
What are they writing about with no baseball being played?
As for thier Blogs well who do they blog for and what company owns the site?
I’m not expressing an opinion what beat reporters should do one way or the other. That’s just the way it WAS and is still today. But especially during the time in question, beat reporters had less of a voice ;than they do today because they didn’t have online space to express opinions outside of their normal reporting. Today they do.
As for what reporters do during the hot stove season — they cover trades, free agent signings, the winter meetings, the owners meetings, team winter activities (ie, x-mas parties, fan caravans, charitable events, charity work such as with Hurricane Sandy), plus they sometimes do feature stories on individual players such as what kiernan did with D’Arnaud in today’s Post.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8755103/new-york-mets-ra-dickey-trade-signifies-good-news-bad-news-fans
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8739537/new-york-mets-beef
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8720510/major-issues-unresolved-winter-meetings-wind-down
Nah he doesn’t write opinion pieces at all….Just a figment of my and the rest of the worlds imagination and all those links were written by a ghost writer while Rubin is away fishing in florida until the BEAT gets back into action….
Those are ALL \analytical pieces focusing solely on the team’s chances of competing which is part of their assigned coverage of the team. What they don’t do — and which is what we are really discussing here — is the type of opinion piece which covers broad issues regarding MLB such as steroids testing and major CBA issues. That type of writing is reserved for writers like Lupica, Klapish, Sherman, and now Harper, who are considered more columnists than beat reporters.
And just to be clear, that doesn’t mean the beat reporters won’t opine now and then on a broader issue. But it will come within the context of a piece that is focused exclusively on the team they cover. It will be buried.
So you mean those opinion pieces you say never happen happened….
I see where this circle jerk is going….
Point is most sports writers post opinion pieces either under the guise of a game report or whenever they write a piece when games are not being played….
Metro you and I agree on a lot but not on this. Beat writers have been inserting their opinion and influencing readers for years.
No, I mean those opinion pieces which Joey and I were discussing in this thread before you butted in. The one concerning broader issues regarding all of MLB. Follow the bouncing ball, Metsie!
Point is, you will never see a team beat reporter write an article titled something like this: “MLB Needs to Clean Up its Act Regarding Steroids Testing” and then focus exclusively on those broader issues. But you will from writers like Lupica, Sherman, Madden, and Harper.
TRS86, read what I wrote above at 4:19. I said that doesn’t mean a reporter won’t inject a personal opinion about a broader issue into a team report. But it will come within that larger context of a team report and will be buried.
Here’s the difference: Martino can’t write a report (for the main paper; not their blogs) that is titled “MLB Needs to Clean Up Their Act Regarding Steroids Testing” … but writers like Lupica, Harper, Madden, and Sherman can.
What Martino may do, is insert a line like this “MLB should implement stricter PEDs testing” within the context of a story he is doing on the Mets — for example, maybe he is covering the annual spring training visit of the head of the MLBPA to the Mets St. Lucie complex and he’ll insert that line in that story.
See the difference? One has a decided soapbox (Lupica, Harper etc); and the other is mainly team reporting. And it’s usually the beat guys who are the closest to the team. So unless they tell the columnists about all these things they see, then the columnists usually (there are a few exceptions) don’t have much to go on. And even if they do tell the columnists, it’s second hand stuff. Not something most have witnessed with their own eyes.
Yeah ok Metro….
They never do that except when they do that….We get your pointless point….
Again, follow the bouncing ball, Metsie, They never do the type of opinion piece that I was originally talking about with joey.
Which too bad for you is not true as they do it all the time!
“Pure opinion” pieces regarding broad MLB issues … find me a single one done by a beat reporter that is part of the main newspaper (not the blog portion).
Remember, kids, don’t do (some) drugs!
Hi Metro,
I remember the abuse Roger Maris took from all the beat writers when he was chasing Babe Ruth’s record. The things said about him were horrendous. The stories were full of witch hunting inuendo. We read it today in rags like the Post and sports talk radio. Beat writers and all.
Did you ever think those beat reporters stayed silent so not to ruin their connections and ability to get stories? If it involved a few players or even a team, that’s one thing. But they would have been unofficially blacklisted by all inside baseball.
Sure that’s one of the reasons Joey, they were also making a name for themselves covering the biggest story making them larger than life and accelerating their career. Like I said, everyone is all covered up in this in the words of Denzel in Glory, ain’t nobody clean.
Every reporter want to be like Woodward and Bernstein…
The problem is most don’t have the journalistic integrity those guys had nor the Editor who insisted they only report on what could be confirmed by three independent sources because the focus of news these days is not to get it RIGHT but get it FIRST!
The Internet changed that forever and the 24 Hour News Cycle didn’t help much either…
Joey, I wasn’t reading newspapers back in 1961! LOL … So what exactly were they saying about him?
But I agree with you that if reporters on the beat started making accusations based on speculation, then they would be blacklisted by players on the team as well as possibly others. As a journalist, you can’t do that. Especially regarding something as serious as PEDs allegations.
Hi Metro,
You’re not familiar with the Roger Maris story? The attached will help explain a little of the ordeal he had to go through.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1998-09-06/sports/1998249192_1_roger-maris-mark-mcgwire-asterisk
Suggest you catch the film “61*” next time it airs on HBO or you wish to rent/download it. All the Yankee players who were still alive after Billy Crystal presented them with a private screening said it was authentic. To me, one of the best baseball movies ever made, maybe because I was one year away from becoming a Met when those things happened.
Other than the fact he hit 61, and that he almost definitely did it clean, I know very little of the Roger Maris story. Thanks for the link. That Cannon writer sounds a lot like Davidoff who also ripped a NY sports star unreasonably.
I’ll try to catch that movie, though to tell you the truth, as a Mets fan, I usually have no interest in watching movies about Yankees players.
All the Yankee players who were still alive after Billy Crystal presented them with a private screening said it was authentic.
You mean the screening killed some of the players?
Btw, I consider Maris to hold the single season HR record, and Hank Aaron to be the overall HR king. Some say Aaron did greenies, but I never bought into the idea that greenies were on the same level as anabolic steroids.
Hi Metro,
As a ten year old kid living in the Bronx, I remembered the newspaper headlines but of course was too young to understand what was happening so the film, for me, was a visual trip down memory lane. It did capture the feel of the times. The sports writers I all got to know in the years that followed.
As mentioned, that was the last year I rooted for the Yankees. When the Mets came in the following, it was then that the Yankees stunk!
Sure I knew about the Greenies from Bouton’s book and though it was also drug abuse so I can’t condone it all it resulted was not being physically tired. Many forget that it’s not just the game that tires a baseball player out but the rigors of traveling after games and getting into hotel rooms at all strange hours so not being able to follow a normal sleep pattern. Those pills didn’t juice or cork their bodies.
I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO READ THE ATTACHED ARTICLE FROM SPORTS ILLUSTRATED about three prospects with limited talents who started out in the minors around the same time and the path of their careers – due or not due to the use of drugs.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/magazine/05/29/baseball.steroids/index.html