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2013
Phillies Sign Delmon Young To $750K Contract
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The Phillies have signed free agent outfielder Delmon Young to a one-year, $750,000 contract.
Young, 27, batted .267 with 27 doubles, 18 home runs and 74 RBI in 151 games for the Detroit Tigers last year. Against left-handed pitchers, he hit .308 (56-182) with a .500 slugging percentage and, defensively, made 29 starts in left field.
In 13 postseason games, Young batted .313 with three home runs and a team-best nine RBI and was named MVP of the American League Championship Series.
“Delmon is an experienced major league bat who will add some depth to our relatively inexperienced outfield and another layer of competition for playing time there as well,” general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said in a statement Tuesday afternoon.
The first overall selection of the 2003 First-Year Player Draft by the Tampa Bay Rays, Young is a .284 career hitter with 89 home runs and 482 RBI in 880 games for the Rays (2006-07), Minnesota Twins (2008-11) and Tigers (2011-12).
He has made 526 career starts in left field, 156 in right field and 29 in center field.
Young has batted .310 (281-905) in his career with runners in scoring position and .336 (115-342) in 89 career interleague games against the National League.
The price was certainly right….
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Sorry Joe, but if the price was $1.00 – you’re not bringing this guy to New York after this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229424/Delmon-Young-Detroit-Tigers-slugger-admits-hate-crime-anti-Semitic-slur.html
Pair that with the fact the Mets play with no DH and that Delmon Young is a terrible defender.
Sorry I don’t think the Mets and an anti Semite really mesh well
The guy yells one thing one night when he was drunk yet Fonzie called Alex a “spic” and we allowed to continue here.
But you want to hang Delmon Young.
You are so full of it, so disgusting a human being that lies and spin jobs are the very fabric of your existence. You move the goal posts to fit your agenda every single second of your life you’re so deceitful.
This is ALL ABOUT another signing that Sandy let go by and that’s why you are saying the things you’re saying. You’re so sickening it’s beyond belief
Fonzie isn’t a baseball player… Now that Fonzie anyway.
Now if anyone other than Jessep made this comment (because I was about too), what would your take be? Anti-Semites are not too popular in NY.
Doesn’t matter if he’s a baseball player or not. Same thing even if a chef said it so don’t give me that.
So you don’t think it would cause a sht storm if a player who shouted anti-semtic remarks was to sign in NY?
I get we need something with a pulse in the OF and baring that issue, 1m for him is a steal but there was a reason why it was only 1m.
Salty – think of it like this
Mets fans were so angry that banner day was a night game that the Mets are having a public vote about it
I’d be willing to bet the Mets have one of the highest jewish american fan bases in mlb – how do you think they’d react to this guy being signed who mind you, isn’t even that good.
It’s just so ridiculous to even try to think about.
I’m not expecting baseball players to be saints but asking for a little morals isn’t a big demand. I have no interest in Delmon Young on the Mets for $1. Let him go to Philadelphia for all I care.
The outfield is so horrendous I would absolutely take those numbers for the outfield. But there is no way a guy saying that can survive in the NY market. Why even bring on the headache.
Yankee fans didn’t seem to mind as much as MMO’s writers do.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/sports/baseball/tigers-delmon-young-works-on-image-after-new-york-arrest.html?_r=0
Are their no Jews in Detroit or Philadelphia?
Is a black man’s apology worth less than a caucasian’s?
After his arrest in Manhattan, he issued a statement taking responsibility for his actions. “I take this matter very seriously and assure everyone that I will do everything I can to improve myself as a person and player,” the statement said.
Jim Leyland, didn’t seem to mind and neither did the Jewish Tigers owner Mike Ilitch.
Only MMO writers mind about this.
Has nothing to do with that. 10% of all Jewish Americans live in NY state and most of them in are in the metro area. Add in the tri-state area, and that is a significant higher percentage. No NY team wants to deal with that headache especially less than a year after it has taken place. Don’t you think the Mets have had enough crappy PR issues, why make the only FA addition to the team the anti-semite guy?
I am sure he is sorry and he deserves to prove himself but I am sure he also wouldn’t want to have the proving ground be NY either.
and if the mets won 100 games, no one would give a sh*t
Good job Roxio,
I’m glad i checked to see if i was reinstated today because this Delmon Young post is turning into a Smoking Gun of sorts exposing the agenda these guys have. The Sandy Goons like jessePee and Boomer here are doing the same thing the Mets organization does right before they are going to try and trade someone and that is establish a slow, tactical, smear job to try and alienate the fans against the player that’s going to get traded. Like Joe D has mentioned numerous times.
What we are seeing in action here is the SAME EXACT THING with these guys. Delmon Young is a decent Major League ballplayer who has decent regular seasons but in the playoffs raises to levels that a David Wright could never do. He would have been a nice fit with some of the kids here. A much-needed veteran.
But these guys use the same smear tactics in defending Sandy Alderson as the Mets front office does right before they trade a player. We are all seeing that tactic being used right before our very eyes by the likes of Boomer and JessePee in this very post.
HAHAHAHA!!!
UNREAL!
Delmon Young is HORRIBLE!
A terrible offensive player and a vomitously bad defensive player and Bayonne wants him!
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TOO MUCH!
“He would have been a nice fit with some of the kids here. A much-needed veteran.”
OMG TOO MUCH!
Met Nation’s dumbest fan.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay let’s set the odds. I say 8/5 that this poster is a member of RDM.
Not that I know of but who knows? Obviously blog owners can’t be completely responsible for users that post in the comment section. Lol
Bayonne I think you know by now that us “RDM” people aka “The FIRM” aka “Sand People” really have no problem challenging you or others and we have no desire to stoop into hiding our names. So stop being so paranoid. If you can’t take the heat from others don’t come right out of the gate and start aggressively challenging people. You like bringing the heat so don’t complain about what may come your way. Can’t have it both ways dude.
I bet there is more than 1 met fan in Bayonne.
Just one of the hundreds of people who find incredible humor in your absolutely ridiculous and incredibly ignorant persona.
Bayonne, you are truly one of a kind.
Hopefully.
Did Salty Balls just justify commenting under a false name? I think he just did!
Dude, I’ll be plain and simple. Drop dead.
Now to the readers,
I’m not feeling any heat at all. I’m fine and actually laughing at the fact that after being back no more than a couple of hours already there are 2 people under an assumed name aping me, which is fine. And then we have someone DEFENDING their actions. And it’s all my fault that there’s 2 people with assumed names.
You can’t make this stuff up. I think Salty Balls has a poster of me that he “enjoys” himself to everyday. I must’ve told this guy a hundred times a long time ago i have no interest in chatting with him. None. Who’s the first guy to respond to me when i come back?
Was nothing but respectful to you in my comment, you are bringing it to this level. Why don’t you chill out, I actually don;t want to see you get banned again. I will try to remember that I am not allowed to reply to any of your posts, I promise.
While we are here is there are any other people that I replied to today (probably up to 20 at this point) if you would no longer like me to reply to you on a open comment board let me know and I will put a list together and hang it on my monitor.
Holy ridiculousness….I’ll need a scorecard on who can reply to who.
How about we all respect the commenting policy on this site? So much easier.
Met fans that do not give a crap about winning, like yo and your small club of baseball idiots care when banner day is. Real fans have given up on younsnd lord loser. Jessie and the loser lovers. What a disgrace to baseball.
Bayonne,
I hear what you’re saying and as a Christian I totally believe in forgiveness and repenting. That being said, I’m not really a fan of the Wilpons but they have been pretty consistent about this. Carl Everett comes to mind (I’m sure there are other examples but I can’t think of any). All that aside, even at less than market value, I’m not that big of a fan of Young’s. Let the search continue.
Forget NY, no way in the world the management team of Wilpon and Katz is signing a guy with anti-semitic issues.
One other thing, he led the league in errors by a left fielder in 2011. Not sure he is an upgrade over Duda.
Didn’t Noah Sindergaard recently make a public apology for a racial slur or something?
He called a guy a british cigarette for wearing crocs.
Oh, so I guess like catholicism making a racist remark about the Brits is acceptable? It’s an “accepted prejudice”?
Please.
Oh, so I guess it like making fun of Catholics is an “accepted prejudice” making a racial remark about the Brits is acceptable? It’s an “accepted prejudice”?
Please.
Oh i get it, I know what “British Cigarettes” are called. Forgot about that. Still I hear that every single day from kids the same age as Syndegaard. The Delmon Young thing should be treated the same way, no biggie, slap on the wrist now go play ball.
Take a chill. I was trying to describe what he said without using the word.
Yes – well sort of. I believe it was a tweet to a friend with a homophobic slur and it was unacceptable and dealt with.
I view that different than walking in new york city and yelling at a panhandler who was wearing the star of david and then getting in a fight with tourists.
There isn’t a chance in the world that the Mets who have a very VERY large population of jewish american fans and oh by the way their owners are jewish would sign this guy months after this crime.
And frankly, I don’t want him. Why would you? what does he bring to this team? A poor outfielder with a terrible attitude? I’d rather watch andres torres again.
Apparently so did the NYC police who arrested Young. I don’t recall Syndergaard being arrested.
And can we be honest about being a dumb kid who tweets something to his personal friend using bad language and a 27 year old walking around drunk in nyc fighting with tourists and being charged with a hate crime?
The 2 aren’t even comparable.
I know kids that are Syndegaard’s age AND Young’s age that get drunk in New York and get into fights at club. As a matter of fact it’s probably MORE dangerous and MORE stupid to say the same thing over Twitter to thousands of followers where getting drunk in NYC and shouting something at a club can be heard by a few people.
These guys try to dot i’s, cross t’s ad infinitum in order to move their goal posts and until is fits nicely into their agenda.
The BS and dishonesty is off the charts.
Not just drunk but drunk on game day. Sweet. Why didn’t we sign him up?
He was also suspended in the minors for 50 games for throwing a bat at an ump. Seems to have a bit of an anger problem.
Well I bet Keith Hernandez is one of your all time favorite Mets. Bet he did a lot of game day stuff too you wouldn’t like.
A-G-E-N-D-A. Agenda.
Why don’t you take it up with the Tigers who released him or the other 27 teams who took a pass on him.
He signed for peanuts for a guy with his offensive ability for two reasons, 1) he is a horrible left fielder and 2) his attitude.
Well that’s one way to look at it while deflecting being called on your double standard. Good job.
But I won’t do the research because I see you have spoken with all 29 teams and got their reasons.
As a matter of fact i bet a lot of 1986 Mets did a lot of questionable “game day” stuff too.
So what else you got in order to try and defend any decision or non-decision by Alderson?
Why is it that anyone who doesn’t agree with you has an agenda or a double standard? Who deemed you the font of wisdom and knowledge.
Delmon Young is not a good outfielder, period. Yes, he is a good bat but the game is played on both offense and defense and a guy who gives runs away is not what the Mets need in my opinion. Add to that the fact that he seems to have some anger issues and I’m not surprised that he was let go by Detroit and signed for a very low salary on a one year contract. Basic common sense would indicate that nobody valued his services very highly.
That’s not an agenda, it’s just basic logic.
Wait a second here! I can say the same thing to you that you just said to me so that’s a wash. 750K? I’m signing Delmon Young but not only that there’s a whole lot more that’s involved including the possibility of moving/packaging Lucas Duda for some pieces so there’s a lot more to it than i have time to type than just signing Delmon Young at face value.
Add to that he’s a VETERAN who rises to spectacular levels in the post season and for a very young team with young pitching that some of you think will be on their way very soon he would have been a nice addition and maybe a positive influence on a young team that has nobody other than Johan Santana (off the top of my head) to teach them how to win in big spots IN MY OPINION.
i guess we can scratch off keith hernandez from the MMO met hall of fame list…
unless drinking before games, playing drunk, airing out teammates behind their backs to reporters and snorting cocaine in the dugout ( aka the crossword puzzles ) is cool
Delmon Young on the 1986 team is like Ruben Tejada
this need to have a bunch of clean choir boys while other teams can sign more talented dirtbags gets us nowhere..
Id rather have a drunk and high Miguel Cabrera than a sober David Wright
#suckers
What a hypocrite! You are so phony and full of manure. Van you do anything other than lie and love lord losers every wiggle and fail. How low one stoops for a free ticket.
I got news for you guys, Delmon has been a nightmare his whole professional career, including his 50 game suspension in minors for throwing a bat & hitting an umpire. I live in St. Pete, 5 mins from Tropicana Field, and Delmons assclown antics are what got him run out of here 4 years ago. It wasnt so much that the Rays wanted Matt Garza as much as it wanted to get Young out of town. Hes a cancer in the clubhouse & the whole league knows it. Hopefully he will corrupt the hell out of the chemistry in philly.
Funny no mention of hopwq flawed a hitter he is and the fact that he can’t play d and is a anti-semite.
Obviously a fake me from one of the sandy goons. This is what they do.
Is this part of that veteran rising to the occasion at big moments you were talking about?
http://www.holdoutsports.com/2012/10/did-delmon-young-make-worst-outfield.html
You wanted the Mets to sign Young, I didn’t. I guess we both have an agenda. Or as other people call it an opinion.
That was possibly the worst throw I’ve ever seen.
Yeah, my agenda is wanting to win and your useless little link prove nothing and has nothing to do with what i’m talking about. So you provide a link to a fan post that shows the guy making an error? Is that what you’re about? That is so sophomoric, so unintelligent, so PREJUDICED that people can’t help that when you are so stupid as to provide a little link like that which just captures a moment – and written by a fan too – just goes to show how far you will take your agenda. Give it a break please. And if that’s the kind of juvenile, infantile thing that you’re going to do in order to prove a point – linking a fan response than don’t waste time responding to me. You’re new but still just one of another dime-a-dozen second guessers that have no baseball intuition of your own.
Wait, brb, i’m going to look for a links that show bad moments in the careers of what are otherwise great athletes. Maybe I’ll go to a fan site and find a link that shows Derek Jeter making an error.
Anybody want to take bets on the ensuing responses that will no doubt be 1) Are you comparing Delmon Young to Derek Jeter? and 2) Are you calling Delmon Young a great athlete?
In both cases that is not what i’m saying but i bet no doubt one of these clowns will go off topic and out of context to say it.
Boomer don’t waste my time anymore
I’ll make you a deal. If you don’t start talking to me, as you did in this thread, I promise not to answer. Indeed, I will go one step further and promise not to ever speak with you.
I wouldn’t want to insult your obvious intellect.
Welcome back Bayonne, looks like you are making some new friends…
and that concerns you because? Or you could have just not said anything. Dude, you’re another annoying stalker just go away
Congrats Bayonne on being the only Met fan on this boards. The rest like to lose, love to lose. They don’t even know what a baseball is.
This is obviously one of the core who has changed their name… Lol. Does it work both ways?
um, actually you’re WRONG again. His name is Harry and he’s been commenting here for years. Before YOU. Now have your last word. You must be all a gaga that actually addressed you. Calm down now, calm down.
wow…why did they get him so cheap?
there’s no reason why we couldnt have gotten him for that.
what he finally signed for pretty much tells you how popular he muct have been around MLB. 1 step above a MiL invite.
even the Mets could have afforded this salary, since they have to pay a minimum of $490K for the spot anyhow!
Wow he is going to be a monster at CBP. I wonder if Sandy was looking at him?
Delmon doesn’t mix drinks with Jewish people, very well and that’s why he’s in Philly on the cheap.
Sandy still trying to get Upton i assume LOL
We got Collin Cowgill.
On the surface, it seems like he and Duda would’ve made a pretty good platoon since they’re about defensively equal.
…Eh.
This is my take on it, and I’m Jewish.
I don’t know what to think because the guy was drunk and need to know what his thoughts are when sober and whether or not he has a drinking problem. If the drinking and anti-semetic remark are reflective of his basic personality, I will call it no less offensive to me as the remark d’Arnaud made was to gay people.
With the Mets new catching prospect, we don’t know if that was an innocent joke or reflective of his basic personality as well. If it is, anyone making a moral judgement can’t decide to downplay the offensiveness of one based on the group it was directed to.
As far as a player, he was mostly a DH last season and had a terrible glove. But then, we can’t be so selective.
Alcohol has a great ability to set one free, doesn’t it? I really look at the two situations very differently. It’s been a common vernacular for younger people to say something or someone looks gay to mean their dumb. It’s not right but the term has been used so much, that the meaning of “GAY” has evolved beyond anything that is homophobic in origin. Another phrase that I remember that was real common was saying someone “was out of their cotton pickin mind” to say they are crazy. The phrase was so commonly used, even in cartoons, that people said it without really thinking about what they were saying. Again it doesn’t make it right to say, it just needs to be phased out, and I don’t think that Mets prospect is going to say it again.
Now for Young, I don’t care how drunk he was, when I get shit faced I may go around talking and acting stupid but there isn’t this sudden dirtbag switch that gets turned on.
Is Jessep Jewish? Then I would understand his crusade here on this post. Anybody know?
Seeing you have more comments about the subject then he does, it looks like you are on the anti-Jessep crusade. Just sayin…
Hi Roxio – My religion, race or creed have nothing to do with the fact that Delmon Young got drunk and got charged with a hate crime and fought with NYC tourists.
Allow me to pose the question like this
In 1999, the Mets were on the brink of the turning the corner as a franchise
If they needed a closer would you take a guy at 24 years old who had the stats like this
71IP, 38Saves, 104K 37BB 1.16Whip
Great numbers!
Now pair that with him saying this
“I would retire first. It’s the most hectic, nerve-racking city. Imagine having to take the [Number] 7 train to the ballpark, looking like you’re [riding through] Beirut next to some kid with purple hair next to some queer with AIDS right next to some dude who just got out of jail for the fourth time right next to some 20-year-old mom with four kids. It’s depressing.”
“The biggest thing I don’t like about New York are the foreigners. I’m not a very big fan of foreigners. You can walk an entire block in Times Square and not hear anybody speaking English. Asians and Koreans and Vietnamese and Indians and Russians and Spanish people and everything up there. How the hell did they get in this country?”
You want John Rocker on the Mets in 2000? I sure don’t. I’d rather fail than have that embarrassment wear a Mets uniform.
That is who I am. I expect baseball players to show some kind of moral balance. I do not expect them to be angels, but I do expect them to understand that every man is created equal and I do expect them to respect people of all religions, races and creeds. And if they don’t – then I’d rather lose 100 games than cheer for them on a baseball field.
That’s me Roxio for better or worse. A grown man getting charged with a hate crime in NY City is no accident. That same grown man “flipping” a bat at an umpire is no accident. He got a joke of a contract because he’s a joke of a person and his value on the field doesn’t outweigh his personal hurdles.
Joey D.,
I’m not certain but I think the remark you are referring to was a tweet by the new pitcher, Syndergaard, not D’Arnaud, unless he did something as well.
Regarding Young on the Phillies, it’s okay so long as the Mets acquire a RH OF bat equal to (Hairston?) or better (Upton?) than Young. That said, Young was probably wise to sign with Phillie if he wants to make more money in 2014 and beyond. His stats in that crackerjack box will most certainly be better than in Citifield.
Hi TJ,
Yup, I read the posts wrong. Sorry future backstop.
On MLBTR they are talking baseball not a slur someone made when he was drunk. The difference between a quality site and this one.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/01/phillies-sign-delmon-young.html#disqus_thread
Then see ya later.
Hey Roxio,
Here at MMO we have a group of people who judge players based on OFF THE FIELD crap!!! Instead of what they are paid to do which is PLAY BASEBALL.
I still to this day hear people praise that SUPER RACIST Ty Cobb yet in the same breathe bash any modern day player that has any off-field issue.
You would think that these same characters here that post how terrible Delmon Young is are Saints in their personal lives.
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Here is the BIAS here with these posters here that are against signing Delmon Young.
1. Facts are Delmon Young got drunk and walked around NYC and hurled a bunch of racial slurs at a group of guys that as it turned out werent even Jewish.(so we established he was sh*t faced and the booze was talking)
2. BUT these same fans who dont want Delmon Young for those actions wanted Shin-Soo choo and Cocoa Crisp who both got sh*t faced drunk one night got in a car and got caught and busted for a DUI
Whats worst getting drunk and walking down the street calling people names or getting plastered and getting in a vehicle with the ability to potentially kill people????
Dont let these few idiots deter you from visiting the site…there is no logic to there thinking….and winning baseball games is the last thing they are interested in
Some the best Teams NY has ever seen was comprised of BAD BOYS!
86 Mets were hardly angels…
The great Yankee teams paid out more in BAIL money than they actually paid the players themselves…Billy Martin, Mickey Mantle etc….
And the Brooklyn Dodgers were just as bad right down to thier Manager who wrote the book
“Nice Guys Finish Last!”
LOL
The Mets are complete fools,,750K is what they are all about,i dont care what the guy did.No worse then K Rod who they seem to love and are ok with him punching elders and women..THE METS ARE A JOKE !!,,,WILPONS I LOATH YOU ALL…sell the team MORONS !!
As much of a mess of an OF the Mets have, looking at what Philly has, even with the inclusion of Young, it doesn’t look that hot either. All I gotta say is that he better bring it on the field on both sides of his game or this could get ugly fast.
Hitman, would it be a stretch to say Young is comparable to a right handed version of Duda the last 2 years? If so would you do a lefty righty platoon even though the defesne would probably be ugly?
Not quite. With Young, all you need to know is throw sliders away. He will chase every time. Duda on the other hand has shown flashes to being better when it comes to discipline and recognition. I’m hoping for our offensive sake, he can get it together.
Yea, if Duda ends up being the everyday left-fielder I’m hoping he can find the form he showed the 2nd half of 2011. He needs his offense to be good enough to make up for what he lacks on defense. As for Young playing in Philly let’s hope it’s like you say and all he sees is a steady diet of sliders away that he chases cause in that Philly stadium he may just hit 25 HR’s by accident.
there is an upside. If they actually bring in Young to play LF everyday (at least vs. LHP), it means no job for Ruf. So no chance that he is actually for real and puts up a big HR season.
Delmon Young was not a fit here, I am surprised Phillies got him so cheap though. I will assume Alderson is waiting to see if he can snag Upton. If not he probably signs Hairston. That was the 50/50 chance he was talking about most likely.
Jan. 22: The Diamondbacks are currently weighing offers for both Upton and Kubel – they want to trade one of them soon (Olney, ESPN).
Jan. 22: Arizona feels they can get suitable value for Kubel, if they decide to trade him (Olney, ESPN).
they were not signing him. Look just about anyone is an upgrade over who we have but he is not a fit for Citi Field. Phillies have a much better team than the Mets, and he can do well in a smaller ballpark surronded by all their good left handed hitters. we are 10 players away from contention and he is not one of them
I believe anybody who wishes to toss morals aside in order to win maybe 5 more baseball games has reality issues. Imagine Sandy Koufax being introduced to Delmon Young at Mets camp if Sandy shows up?
Let this guy being Philly problem, the Mets would probably lose corporate support if they signed him! If you’re an ahole when you’re drunk then guess what…you’re an ahole all the time.
No argument but it didnt stop us from signing Frank the “folding chair thrower” Fransisco. And we gave him 12 million
I find it a bit odd that some can support making baseball decisions based on BUSINESS ONLY and then run to the Moral argument the second a BUSINESS ONLY SMART decision is found that goes against the Moral question….
All I know is that I mentioned Young in a post in September of possible guys the Mets could sign on the cheap. Delmon Young was one of them and poo pooed by everybody. Grady Sizemore was the only one anybody had even a slight interest in.
Here is a less flattering statistic belonging to Delmon Young.
2012 OBP: .296
He is also a very bad defender. But at age 27, for a one year deal, it’s a worthy risk.
a player like Young his OBP is not important nor should it be. He is a second half of the lineup type of hitter with power to drive in runs. If he makes adjustments to get sac flies instead of walking while batting 7th i’ll take the sac flies/RBIs. His OBP is not his game and not what pays his salary. It is his by product.
What is his game? He’s only hit 20 HR once. And he’s only topped 100 RBIs once.
So, power isn’t his game. OBP isn’t his game. Defense isn’t his game. Base running isn’t his game.
By the looks of it, baseball isn’t his game either.
LoL, after reading what you said I went back to see articles referencing Delmon Young and Joe D did one about the outfield market and in his “Snowball’s Chance In Hell” of choices he had the following,
Michael Bourn (still free agent)
Curtis Granderson (option picked up)
Josh Hamilton (signed with LAA)
Torii Hunter (signed with DET)
Angel Pagan (signed with SFG)
Cody Ross (signed with ARI)
Nick Swisher (signed with CLE)
B.J. Upton (signed with ATL)
Finally yep, Delmon Young who signed with Philly. So unless Bourn signs with the Mets it looks like Joe D is going to go a perfect 9-0 in his “Snowball’s Chance In Hell” category.
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/10/the-mets-the-outfield-market-and-the-reality-of-the-situation.html
I thought the inner circles of hell were cold.
First of all Delmon Young is an African-American and based on his race none other than the most esteemed and respected Rev. Jesse jackson stated that black people cannot be racist because of their color and history.Second New York City may be the most liberal city in the country so I am pretty positive that most Jewish fans being very liberal would accept Delmon Young with open arms and maybe even celebrate hsi views as being liberating and correct. You cannot use John Rocker’s comment of people with purple hair in the subway as a comparison. John Rocker is a Southern “cracker” from Georgia and based on his whiteness and heritage we all know those white folk down South are racist or they would not have been born down there. So based on my analysis we missed a good outfielder at a cheap price. Ah that racism thing bit us in the butt again.
Hi Lou,
As one of the Jewish faith, Young repulses me just like Mel Gibson. After finding out so much more about him I can see it wasn’t just a case of the liquor bottle causing his to talk through his rear end.
And being in a city where the majority of Jewish citizens are liberal doesn’t mean we would welcome him with open arms. It might not have been your attention to stereotype but that comment makes it appear as if there is something about us that is all so forgiving beyond other groups. I think we would react just like any other race or creed.
Again, I’m sure your intentions were honorable but please be careful for even if it was meant as a compliment, saying “New York City may be the most liberal city in the country so I am pretty positive that most Jewish fans being very liberal would accept Delmon Young with open arms and maybe even celebrate hsi views as being liberating and correct” was still stereotyping nevertheless.
Two things, would have been a good idea to include the off field issues in the post as it directly relates to WHY he was so cheap and despite that I would have did some checking to see how he would have fit in and maybe they did and decidied they were not going to let him represent the team or bring him into a young clubhouse.
I love it. This post shows the incredible lack of common sense amongst many of the people on here. If this site is an indication of the overall Met fan base, then treating the fans like children is the appropriate way to go. Sit down, shut up, and let the adults handle things.
People want a move just so a move is made not considering if any of it makes the team better or any sense whatsoever. Delmon Young? Is there anyone on here who seriously think that signing Delmon Young improves anything? The fact is he is not an upgrade off Duda, in fact, he is a downgrade.
Duda had an off year yet hit 15 Hrs and drove in 57 in 401 ABs. Young’s numbers were 18 Hr and 74 RBI in 574 ABs. Duda drove in .14 runs/ab while Young .12. The AB/HR is 26 (Duda) versus 31.
But then again, there are people on here who want KRod resigned leaving aside the fact that he had a worse year than Francisco on the field. At least KRod can beat up old people and slap women around.
The mentality around here is reaching a new low. As long as it is anyone from the outside, then it is a good move to make.
‘Is there anyone on here who seriously think that signing Delmon Young improves anything?’
Not me.
For those that fuss at some for thinking like fantasy baseball owners it appears anyone wanting to sign him no matter what is indeed just doing it based on HR and RBI without looking at defense of makeup.
“For those that fuss at some for thinking like fantasy baseball owners it appears anyone wanting to sign him no matter what is indeed just doing it based on HR and RBI without looking at defense of makeup.”
You can make that same argument for the crowd that is calling for the Mets to re-sign Scott Hairston!!!
And Hairston is asking for much more than what Delmon got…although Delmon is a much better player…The point is $750,000 for a player that is better and cheaper than Hairston…the only argument you have why Delmon wouldnt be a good signing would be past non baseball related issues.
For the record I am not pro Delmon Young but I understand the argument by Mets fans who want to see this bum Alderson improve the team and are willing to sacrifice defense for some major league help in the outfield….but to the group here who keeps yelling re-sign Hairston they should be the last ones to comment how Delmon Young is a bad signing because of his terrible defense because Hairston is just as bad defensively and Young brings much more to the table on offense
His HR and RBI totals aren’t even that impressive.
No argument on Delmon Young. He isn’t very good but Frank Fransisco who came from the outside also SUCKS
The Phillies spent 750,000 dollars for Delmon Young. If it doesn’t work out they’ll release or trade him. Do you hear me 750,000 dollars. That is probably less than the profit for a weekend series and even if they use him off the bench and platoon him once in awhile, they may have gotten the bargain of the century. Those Philly fans will love him if you get mt drift. 750,000 dollars WOW! The guy hit 18 homeruns. Who hits 18 home runs and gets 750,000 dollars. Oh I already said that.
Why did he only get 750k?
Who cares. It’s like going to an ice cream parlor and spending a couple of bucks on a new flavor. You take a lick and it tastes like crap. So what you only spent a couple of bucks and you know don’t do that again. This is what the Phillies are doing. Clubs pay more than this for guys they invite to spring training.
So you walk into an ice cream shop and there aren’t many flavors left but there is one that isn’t touched and they only want .25 cent a scoop. Would you touch it?
You’re talking to a guy that had to eat those nasty combat rations in ‘Nam to stay alive. Hell yeah, give me a triple dip cone!
That’s fine. I really appreciate your service. But imagine being there and trying to survive and there was food there that others trying to survive still wouldn’t touch… If you would eat it I guess in this messed up scenario it makes you the Phillies… No offense.
Either way I think we understand where each other are coming from.
Agreed. Enjoyed the tit for tat. Final comment. The Phillies will take a chance on guys no one wants. They took Dale Murphy at 398 home runs to see if he could get to 400 and then retire. He never did and will miss the HOF> They took Jin Thome when he was older and coming off and injury. He tried but didn’t do a lot for them. And now Delmon Young, Time will tell. Trs86: As Bill cunningham would say” You are a Great American and I will add a Great Met Fan!
I agree, I think in history Philly can handle that type of situation better than us. We end up with bleach and firecrackers, lol.
LOL the City of Brotherly love….
Some folks in Philly probably agree with every drunken thing he said! LOL
He’s been a pretty terrible player outside of 2010….and then add in is off the field issues – he’s not really a guy I’d want the Mets to sign.
According to Baseball Reference, Delmon Young had a -38 Total Zone while playing left field last year. That is horrific. Not bad, horrific.
By contrast, Lucas Duda had rating of 8 in left field. Replacing Duda with Young gives up 46 runs on defense.
Call me crazy but that doesn’t sound like a real solid plan.
What did Duda play three games in left field. Pretty dumb comment. I don’t wont Delmon Young but I have seen enough of Duda in right , left or first and he is horrific everywhere
24 games actually. Way under the 26 Delmon Young played.
Dumb comment right back at ya.
I dint make the comparison. so either stick with it or dont make it. It was a truly dumb comment. Are you really saying duda was worth 46 more runs than Young in 25 games.
I’m not saying it. Thats what that particular statistical analysis says.
If you have a beef take it up with the good people at Baseball Reference. Here’s an article that compares various players including Michael Bourn, Coco Crisp and Josh Hamilton using the same statistical analysis.
Seriously, what is up with you anger kids? Do you really think you score any points by insulting people you don’t agree with? Do you think it makes your points more valid?
You gain nothing except a reputation as someone who is incapable of having a civil conversation and making your point without resorting to 4th grade level arguing tactics.
To quote you said replacing Duda with Young gives of 46 runs on defense. Am I missing something? And clearly someone with your condescending attitude must be smart enough to know that a 24 game sample is meaningless. What am i missing
Yes, you are. For the third time now this is how you interpret the statistical analysis that Baseball Reference puts out on defensive play. Now you can choose to ignore it, hate on it, dress it up and put a bow on it for all I care but it is their analysis not mine.
Do I think Delmon Young is one of the worst defensive outfielders in the game, much worse in fact than Duda. Yes, yes I do. He’s slow, takes horrible angles, often loses the ball, his throws are an adventure… he flat out sucks and he has been playing this position for years. He seems to be actually getting worse.
Duda is an outfield convert who is trying to learn the position at the major league level. Not easy but he is getting a little better.
Would I rather see Duda replaced by a stronger corner outfielder? Of course, but Delmon Young isn’t that guy.
As i stated from the beginning of this post, i dont want Young either but not because I think he would hurt our defense by replacing the fleet footed, sure handed Duda out there who apparently fielded 36 fly balls out in left w/o incident last year. I don’t try to make salient points based on irrelevant samples.
Delmon Young would be a .250 hitting fly ball out machine at Citi Field much the way Duda is. They both are very much below average. In Philly he may do OK because they actually have leadership on that team and play in a bandbox.
Wow, he had a WAR of -0.7 in 2012 despite the fact he had 608 plate appearances. That’s really hard to do and truly awful. In comparison, Hairston had a 2.0 WAR in just 398 plate appearances. Young is a downgrade from Hairston!
Here’s what Fangraphs said about Young In an article on January 14, 2013:
This is supposed to be Young’s career peak, and Young was supposed to have an incredible career peak. Young, last year, was bad. By our metrics, in three of his six full-ish big-league seasons he’s been below replacement-level. In another, he was exactly replacement-level. For his career, he’s at 0.8 WAR. In his initial 30-game campaign in 2006, he was worth 0.9 WAR. You’re getting the Delmon Young idea.
This guy is terrible, especially in the NL where he can’t DH. In addition, he doesn’t seem like he would be a good influence in the clubhouse. And the Mets will have a lot of young players in 2013. No thanks. Would rather have Hairston any day.
He is not good. The issue is he may be better than any outfielder we have (while ignoring personal issues) and nothing has been done to address the roster. It’s just misplaced anger.
I don’t think he’s better than Hairston or a Hairston platoon. Even Niewenhuis had a positive WAR (0.9) in just 314 plate appearances. Sandy should be fired if he ever signed Delmon Young. He’s probably only decent as DH/pinch hitter in the AL.
Seeing WAR is formulated by different sources to get their own results, I really don’t look too much into it especially with you are talking 1-2 points. It’s a very interesting stat but very flawed and should be taken with a grain of salt and not be used exclusively.
For comparison sake I would take he is better than anything we have in RF and probably a wash in LF. I would probably choose Duda just because there may be a spec of hope left in him where Young should be at his peak and it’s all downhill in a year of two for him. As for Kirk, sure he gets the defensive nod but offensively he is extremely over-matched. Hairston is better than all of them, but he is not a full time outfielder, no one views him as such and I would rather them spend money on a full time piece then on a 5th forth outfielder.
Gary, sure WAR has its flaws and limitations, but IMO, it’s the best single stat for assessing a player’s OVERALL past performance. However, I don’t like WAR for pitchers and catchers and will rarely, if ever, use WAR for them.
Honestly, I’d rather put Duda, Nieuwenhuis, and Hairston out there than Young. Where he huts a club a lot is on defense. If you don’t think Hairston is a full-time outfielder, then neither is Delmon Young.
Duda, Baxter, Nieuwenhuis, Hairston, Ike and Murphy all have higher CAREER WARs than Delmon Young. You can’t make this up!
WAR attempts to make everything linear, that’s probably the main reason I think it’s flawed and not a good thing to use when assessing the needs of a team. All players have different strengths and weakness’s and it about putting a team on the field that compliment each other along with making up for each other. This team desperately needs power and we desperately need defense. I would much rather look at those metrics to make a decision on whether Young is a good fit for the team then say or he is .2 less war then Duda so Duda all the way. From a offensive production standpoint, from a cost standpoint he would help this team Immensely. Defensively he is a downgrade but and his off field issues I feel is a huge black eye seeing it just happened. Take the issue away and I would take him any day over Cowgill or Baxter, any day.
Delmon Young (ISO .141) barely has more power than Daniel Murphy (ISO .136). He is an extremely marginal HR hitter.
Moreover, power is overrated, especially when it comes at the expense of defense and OBP. Look at the Giants. They had even fewer HRs than the Mets last season. I’d rather the Mets concentrate on pitching and defense.
Delmon Young is a bad fit for this Mets team. Heck, he’s a bad fit for most teams, except for a few that may play in the AL. I just don’t see how he can help this Mets team “immensely.”
Again, you watch. He will end up on the bench for the Phillies. Or maybe released.
But we are not comparing whether Young is a upgrade over Murphy, we are comparing if he is a upgrade in our OF. So if you want to stick with your ISO stat Young was at .144 last year. Baxter is .150 and Duda is the same. This state really does nothing to help someone choose whether a player is a fit or not between the others. This stat can also be highly skewed by a slap ball hitter with speed. Doubles are not necessarily a measurement of power but can be achieved by speed. Hell a guy like Reyes has a ISO of .147 does that say he is poor from a power standpoint then, I don’t think so do you?
Advanced stats are very interesting and are definitely worth using but just like any stat they never can tell the whole story. You need to look at the whole book.
But YOU are the one saying he supplies much needed power. Where? And Murphy certainly is not a speed guy, so his ISO is not skewed.
Sometimes I think Mets fans just want what they don’t have. Never mind that what they don’t have is oftentimes inferior to what they do have.
Delmon Young supplies nothing that this team needs. His power is marginal, his OBP poor,and his defense is even worse.
There is a good reason the Rays, Twins, and Tigers saw no need to keep him. He’s just not a very good player.
I actually don’t want him and said he was not good above. Just saying what we have is worse and the stats you used to back your argument up are flawed.
Gary, ALL stats are flawed, depending on the context you use them in. Regardless, I can’t think of a single stat that sells Delmon Young very well. Can you?
Actually I think they want what is on another team without even looking at what is on theirs. To claim that Young is better than Duda is insane. Hell, as someone mentioned, a case could be made for Kirk and Baxter being better.
Let Philly have him.
Metro we can definitely use any stat to state a position very easily. And again it’s not just about stats it’s about the whole picture of the team. I will put he pro’s and con’s down.
Pro’s
750k – for this team that is huge
right handed bat
Does have a positive oWAR
Good post season numbers which translates he can handle pressure well
Decent amount of HR power and RBI totals which this team desperately needs
Con’s
Poor defensively
poor bb/so ratio
ground into too many DP’s
I personally don’t want him on the team due to the personal issue and I feel that this team needs to get way better defensively BUT his bat would be a huge improvement over someone like Baxter.
Gary what he dd was a classic case of someoe not really knowing what the stat does or how it is calculated just looked up off a table and spouted as usefull when it really isn’t.
If you don’t know what is in the stat or how it is calculated then you can’t be sure it even applies to the player in question….
You don’t judge power hitters by OBP and BA no more than you judge a leadoff hitter by his SLG or HR totals.
And from a power overrated standpoint, not from a team like the Mets. They were so poor in this area especially in the first half, they were literally play station-to-station baseball. They had no ability to drive in runs and someones who displayed power would of made a big difference on this team.
Not to mention someone who had RH power that could have been helped to protect some of the Power Lefty bats who struggled early in the year.
Tejada
Murphy
Beltran
Davis
Wright
Duda
would have made for a much more balanced top of the order than what we had.
but Bixler, Brown, Baxter, Cowgill & all of those “minor league” signings are okay. You defend those as “well other teams do it all the time and so on”
Complete BullShit.
And WAR? Ha! Don’t make me laugh, you actually scurried over to some web site look for his WAR? That’s is so pathetic and so indicative of the state of the lesser knowledable baseball fan of these times. So after Delmon Young has been to 2 consecutive post seasons, excelled at both, actually is now famous for his post season play. So after finishing 10th in the AL MVP voting in 2010. Just because his fielding isn’t that great, i mean it’s so bad that it should have prevented him from being a BIG part of 2 post seasons for Detroit right? He should not have been there right.
He’s that awful that a Mets fan is judging him deemed not good enough to play for the Mets?
Give me a God damned break. And for 750K? And after all the scrubs clowns like Metro12 defended? Just shows you the agenda for Sandy these people will go to any lengths to protect. I’m not saying Delmon Young would be a savior but he’s an ACTUAL MAJOR LEAGUE BALLPLAYER who could be a big help to a team like the Mets with their situation.
But nooooooooooooooooooooooo! Now he gets the same smear treatment that the Mets hierarchy is famous for right before trading ballplayers.
The Bullshit here from these people smells so bad that no wonder they have so much interest in the “Farm” Is sure enough smells like it.
Delmon Young is a putrid player. Just because he had a good postseason or two doesn’t mean he is a good player. A lot of really crappy players have had really good postseasons. Moreover, since there is no chance the Mets make the postseason in 2013 (right?) then what’s the good of having someone how is awful in the regular season but has a good postseason?
Here’s my prediction for Delmon Young — He will be relegated to being a bench/backup player for the Phillies, and will likely never be a fulltime player again in baseball. Maybe with the exception of one or two seasons as a DH, getting perhaps 400 plate appearances. But he is not a good NL player.
Yeah and by the same token Pedro Martinez was a complete a$$ for knocking Zimmer on his butt and Delgado had the double whammy of some incident with the national anthem and on top of spurning us and trashing us in the media and yet both were welcomed the second they got here…
People still go see Mel Gibson movies as well….
So don’t think it would have made a huge difference…
A Press Conference and Apology, a Visit to the holocaust musem and all is forgeven until he screws up again.
Considering how well he fits the need and that he is only signed for a year you can’t really say he was so toxic that the price wasn’t right to go get him….
Hell he isn’t even making double league minimum!
That was supposed to be in reply to Jessup but it go POOF….
People do not go see Gibson movies anymore, but his angst cannot be beat and Young should not even be compared to him.
Delgado’s situation doesn’t even relate to this and his actions were not within bad taste. He was protesting the Iraq war and would not stand for “God Bless America”. People may not agree with the action, but it was his right.
And if Zimmer didn’t want to get knocked the eff out, he should of stayed on the bench.
I actually agree with everything you said….
Except maybe Mel Gibson draws almost as much as we do…LOL
I personally would have preferred we sign someone else but think about it from this perspective…
Delmon Young got signed BEFORE the guy we might sign….
Thats pretty telling don’t you agree?
This entire argument about Delmon Young not being signed could’ve been avoided if we kept it strictly limited to his ability to play in the field.
Since its all about the “intangibles”, we go right into the debate…
Delmon is not a good fit, cuz he cant play RF. Not because he isnt a choir boy….the Tigers dont give a sh*t about that…they stuck with Miguel Cabrera after he got arrested for DUI and getting into it with a cop…and that was the 2nd incident he had ( one in the playoffs )
Delmon stood on the team and finished the year out with Detroit…
The Phillies ( who like the Tigers have alot more invested in their team than Freddie Coupons ) have no problem taking on Delmon Young.
But lets be real….
the same reason why folks didnt want Delmon Young is the same reason folks were against adding BJ Upton and then Justin Upton
“the intangibles”
anyone of those listed would be the best outfielder on this team.
Met fans have some funny standards…..i’ll just leave it at that…
I’d love to have Upton (both of them). Delmon Young not so much.
Don’t even bother to reply to this. His “the intangibles” is his way of calling people r a cists. HE actually had a good post until he got to that crap.
Yep, it is pretty funny how he loves to throw those accusations around here anytime someone disagrees with him (e.g., someone who doesn’t love every move Omar ever made and/or someone who likes Wright) but he doesn’t have a problem with the guy who actually got in trouble for a hate crime
Love your tag name.
Baseball is the great equalizer. It did more for civil rights than out own government has. It broke the color barrier before our own government was willing to admit a color barrier existed. We all don’t attend the same church or listen to the same music or eat the same foods, but baseball made us all equal and more than that, it bonded us. For 2-3 hours at a time, we all flocked to the stadium together and all that mattered was that the home team won. Such beauty there is in the simplicity of that. On a baseball site, you should stick to baseball. The second you venture from the essence of the game and take it outside the foul lines, you are sucked into the vortex. Yes, baseball is the great equalizer.
Except when it comes to PEDs…that took the government stepping in because baseball was too weak and/or too greedy (probably more of the later).
Where were the Mets? Seems like a perfect fit and under $1million per year.
You can’t be serious. We already have an outfield full of 4th OFs and a DH. Young isn’t much of a step up, period. The fact that another team with a mess of an OF signed him doesn’t make them that much better, no matter the price.
Seriously going to say that Young is barely a step up from what they have? How bad are the Mets outfielders? This guy was HUGE in the playoffs and will be even better for the Phillies. Who cares if he can’t catch every fly ball hit. He will make up for it offensively. He is 27 and will begin his prime years. He is a better option than Hairston for mere fact that he costs less than $1million. He could be a jerk but frankly speaking most athletes are so what’s the difference. This dude will hit 35 home runs batting behind Howard and we will all be crying about not signing him when Hairston returns to earth next year.
Self-justifying logic much?
“Who cares if he can’t catch every fly ball hit. He will make up for it offensively.”
Yeah, I heard the same thing about Lucas Duda last season. Remind me again how that turned out? Like I said earlier, feed him sliders away and he’ll foolishly chase them every time. Just because it’s his “prime years”, he’ll magically show up? He should’ve showed up by now, especially after he produced 3 years ago, but all he’s done was fall backwards. I’m supposed to believe he’ll hit 35 HRs when he couldn’t cut it after TWO heavy hitters before him in a lineup, one of which is the Triple Crown winner & MVP? Stop reaching.
Well Hitman you have to admit it wasn’t his fielding that sent him down to the Minors it was his bat…If he had hit the damn ball the way he should no one would have a big issue with his fielding….
Sure it would be mentioned as bad but if he was hitting the ball out of the park like everyone thinks he can no one would care much…
Guess how many times Delmon Young has hit 20 HR in his 6 full seasons.
forget the attitude issue for now if you want. Focus on the player.
and when you do that, he really has not been good for years. 2011 and 2012, 1,000+ PAs, he has about a .701 OPS and .299 OBP. Slg. right about .400. 1 SB. 15 HRs/year. Widely considered to be one of the worst defensive OFs around.
so even if he was a total choirboy, he still is not good.
so what are the big Met OF needs? Speed, defense, RH batter, power. And of course, being the Mets, I suppose cheap…
OK, so what does Delmon bring to the table, based on this profile, if you believe the last 2 full years are what he is?. No speed. No defense. marginal power (HR or otherwise). He is RH. and did sign cheap.
so no, it does not look like he actually fills any met need.
the postseason? Well, those numbers are marginally better than his career, but the only outlier is slugging %. And as with most guys, these are small sample sizes.
last 4 PS series, all 15-19 PAs (SSS), he had an OPS of .667, .513, 1.186, 1.043. So how do you interpret that? some series he is mr. unclutch, some he is an awesome clutch performer? Or is it more likely the normal fluctuation in such a short series, where he had a couple of big hits?
if he really was a 1.000 OPS guy, wouldn’t that come out in the 500+ PAs in the regular season?
anyway, long winded way of saying, he was cheap for a reason, and not just the hate crime arrest!
Your argument falls on deaf ears because he is only being paid “$750,000″ for a year…
You fail to mention that most of you want the Mets to re-sign Scott Hairston and pay him a couple Million….For all Youngs flaws he is still a FAR SUPERIOR PLAYER to Hairston who is also TERRIBLE on defense.
Whats even worst about your argument is you post all these stats trying to downplay his worth YET what does it say that with all that if the Mets were the team to sign him he’d be the “BEST” Outfielder on the team!!! right now
debatable about the “best”. but that still does not mean he is actually good.
and I don’t actually want Hairston back, but I would still take him over Young for a small amount more money.
I actually would just as soon see Andrew Brown as the RH platoon guy instead of either one of these guys.
To be honest, I´d rather have Andrew Brown on a minor league deal than Young on a 750 k with incentives major league deal at this point.
The skill set is pretty similar, though Brown is better defensively. Both have pop & hit lefties well. Neither figures to get OB at a high clip.
Of course, Young was once a highly touted early draft pick while Brown is a non-descript late rounder.
And neither should be getting a lot of playing time on a good team.
With Rollins, Utley, Ruis, Howard, Young and Young this would be a really good Beer Softball team, throw in Halliday and Lee and an inflated payroll I’m not exactly shaking in my boots