were u completely brain-dead during the 06-09 years?

Beltran was putting up HOF numbers til he got hurt in 09…which lingered into 2010…then he came back and was putting up great numbers again in 2011

you saw what reyes did for the marlins….

so basically, reyes played his best ball for the mets….but that argument doesnt count when its not in your favor…

sorry home-boy…but wright is at the bottom of that list…to me, Wright and Reyes are neck and neck and Beltran is above both of them.

Wright in no universe is messing with Beltran defensively, and Beltran has all the tools Wright has at the plate and is a better baserunner…not to mention his leadership…when Beltran and Wright were both in the same clubhouse, everyone on the team pointed to Beltran being the leader…when he goes to SF, he instantly becomes the leader….he goes to St. Louis, and again is a leader…

Wright is a great side-piece, please never put him in the same sentence, page, chapter, book or library as Carlos Beltran. His mole is more intimidating at the plate than David’s Dimples

And Wright would only have 11 More Doubles meaning 11 of those 19 HRs were what would be Doubles for Wright.

Moving to RBI
Beltran 838 Wright 818
Again those HRs would seem to be the key difference…Beltran drove himself in where Wright left it to others.

They are close merely because of the longevity making wright on the quick look have higher counts…
But when you break them down to a Per PA perspective and project equal PA Beltran pulls ahead in my opinion….

And it’s no coincidence that Wright declined while Beltran was not there….
Ike has alleviated SOME of that which resulted in last years great turnaround.

204 to 223 again there’s just not enough there to make up for the longevity in my mind. Also, keep in mind the difference in BA.

I bet it was before DePo got there…

that 2% lead on doubles Wright has is well offset by the 3% of Beltran hits being hit out of the park.

What do the Walk number look like which is where Beltran should have the greatest edge….(You don’t have to post it this is not a research request just asking you to look if your actually interested….)

Like I said they are close but Beltran gets the edge with me based on his Per PA efficiency.

Looks pretty even to me.
Again, longevity aside you can make a case either way. For me adding in the longevity pushes Wright over the top.

And these are the guys who INVENTED OBP obsession remember….

Their whole reason for liking PPPA is because they think it gets you that High OBP!
MORE WALKS!

So they shifted thier thinking from previous since everyone caught onto OBP they tried to find an undervalued metric that no one else knows about to find the guys they think will get those walks as opposed to just identifying who walked more as they did before looking at OBP.

Wright has similar numbers there but with 5453 PA as a Met
Beltran has just 3640 PA as a Met

How do those counting stats look now that you know that?

I could agree that they are 1 and 2 together with Beltran slightly ahead and a chance for Wright to jump ahead of him in the next 8 years….
But he needs to be more like 2007 and 2008 than he has been lately.

Also:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/1b/league/nl/sort/walksPerPlateAppearance/type/sabermetric/order/true

Doesn’t look like they would dislike him too much because he doesn’t walk either. Round and round we go.

Again, it appears to me that Ike Davis is exactly the type of player they do like.

So YES they could have gotten it for Wright too if they were as willing to lower thier return expectations as they did with Dickey.

Originally Sandy was holding out for TWO MLB ready prospects not the one he got for Dickey….

In the end either Jeffy or Sandy himself wanted Dickey gone so bad (due to BAD PR reasons alone) that they took less just to get rid of him.
They could have done the same with Wright but again PR concerns ruled the day….

In the end the Dickey trade got us not much more than an improved catcher at the cost of a Cy Young guy….

The whole point of trading him was to get an upgrade for Thole AND a OFer who could fill the most glaring need on the team.

They didn’t get that….
Might have for Wright but then we would need a 3B or be forced to rush Flores.

Wright’s career with the Mets: .301 .381 .506 .887

Obviously defense plays a large role in Beltran’s favor. I will say that Beltran is the best CF in Mets history (Of course considering that Mays wasn’t Mays while with the Mets). But I give Wright a statistical advantage over Beltran while with the Mets.

As far as other counting stats:
Wright 204 HR, 166 SB, 818 RBI, 322 2B in 5453 PA
Beltran 149 HR, 100 SB, 559 RBI, 208 2B in 3640 PA

As I said, you can make a case either way.

I got better.

Enlightening.

They dismissed his PPPA because it didn’t jive with what they expect to get from it so it must not be relevant to thier equation.

He took a lot of pitches but didn’t walk….

Tells you everything about thier PHILOSOPHY on PPPA doesn’t it?