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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi DrD,

All it really means is that one cannot look to curves to help project the success rate of any one player.  It depends upon the individual.  Unfortunately, there were so many times when one was predicted to have a decent career based on comparision to similar players during the minor league which I think is a poor way of evaluating talent.  Lastings Milledge was on a curve upward but it did not take into account his attitude problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi DrD,</p>
<p>All it really means is that one cannot look to curves to help project the success rate of any one player.  It depends upon the individual.  Unfortunately, there were so many times when one was predicted to have a decent career based on comparision to similar players during the minor league which I think is a poor way of evaluating talent.  Lastings Milledge was on a curve upward but it did not take into account his attitude problem.</p>
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		<title>By: DrDooby</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrDooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 05:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with this set of data is that the way young pitchers are developed has changed quite a bit since 1990 when this study began. In fact, this study only runs through 2003 - or about the time the changes were implemented with more &amp; more organizations. Bill Pulsipher certainly doesn´t pitch 220 innings as a 22-year-old prospect / young pitcher in today´s game or has 130 pitch outings. 

Also, one mistake a lot of prospect rankers often make - BA at the forefront - is overrating fresh talents out of the draft, that have dominated the amateur ranks based on some special tool (or upside for a special tool) but then fail to develop it. Sure, upside counts a lot. But actually showing it on a pro baseball field counts a lot more. A high-upside pitcher who has done well in Double A is a lot more likely to be successful than a pitcher with a similar arsenal but right out of High School. 

This somewhat similar to the Wilmer Flores phenomenon. 
Flores was highly touted as a 17-year-old in Rookie Ball and received plenty of hype. 
After several years of middling performance, he finally breaks out in 2012 - barely age 21 - and hits well in Double A. Yet, he now suffers from the reverse &quot;overexposure&quot; effects and the defensive questions - that were valid 4-5 years ago as well - are now the dominating factor in his assessment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with this set of data is that the way young pitchers are developed has changed quite a bit since 1990 when this study began. In fact, this study only runs through 2003 &#8211; or about the time the changes were implemented with more &amp; more organizations. Bill Pulsipher certainly doesn´t pitch 220 innings as a 22-year-old prospect / young pitcher in today´s game or has 130 pitch outings. </p>
<p>Also, one mistake a lot of prospect rankers often make &#8211; BA at the forefront &#8211; is overrating fresh talents out of the draft, that have dominated the amateur ranks based on some special tool (or upside for a special tool) but then fail to develop it. Sure, upside counts a lot. But actually showing it on a pro baseball field counts a lot more. A high-upside pitcher who has done well in Double A is a lot more likely to be successful than a pitcher with a similar arsenal but right out of High School. </p>
<p>This somewhat similar to the Wilmer Flores phenomenon.<br />
Flores was highly touted as a 17-year-old in Rookie Ball and received plenty of hype.<br />
After several years of middling performance, he finally breaks out in 2012 &#8211; barely age 21 &#8211; and hits well in Double A. Yet, he now suffers from the reverse &#8220;overexposure&#8221; effects and the defensive questions &#8211; that were valid 4-5 years ago as well &#8211; are now the dominating factor in his assessment.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 03:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Came across this from a saber no less who determined the success rate of the top 100 prospects from each year.  Since it is not a projection but more of a comparison, it doesn&#039;t matter to me if it saber, traditional or eyeball only.

But what is interesting is that most of the top ten who are pitchers have a high failure rate when coming to the majors.  Position players do much better and more than half, according to the author&#039;s own findings, have made it with a good portion actually becoming top stars in the majors as well.  Not a comment on our guys, including Wheeler, but rather just an interesting read if one goes past the advanced explanation of the methodology.

http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/2/14/1992424/success-and-failure-rates-of-top-mlb-prospects]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Came across this from a saber no less who determined the success rate of the top 100 prospects from each year.  Since it is not a projection but more of a comparison, it doesn&#8217;t matter to me if it saber, traditional or eyeball only.</p>
<p>But what is interesting is that most of the top ten who are pitchers have a high failure rate when coming to the majors.  Position players do much better and more than half, according to the author&#8217;s own findings, have made it with a good portion actually becoming top stars in the majors as well.  Not a comment on our guys, including Wheeler, but rather just an interesting read if one goes past the advanced explanation of the methodology.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/2/14/1992424/success-and-failure-rates-of-top-mlb-prospects" rel="nofollow">http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/2/14/1992424/success-and-failure-rates-of-top-mlb-prospects</a></p>
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		<title>By: Perseus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perseus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first six you named were all in consideration for my sleepers. Sharing a brain...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first six you named were all in consideration for my sleepers. Sharing a brain&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DrDooby</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrDooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If upside counts, Amed Rosario, Steve Matz and even Bradley Marquez also deserve an HM. 
Matt Reynolds, Darrell Ceciliani and Matt Koch have less upside but could move quickly and have a higher likelihood and maybe even upside to make it vs. HM HMs like Morris or Taijeron, IMHO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If upside counts, Amed Rosario, Steve Matz and even Bradley Marquez also deserve an HM.<br />
Matt Reynolds, Darrell Ceciliani and Matt Koch have less upside but could move quickly and have a higher likelihood and maybe even upside to make it vs. HM HMs like Morris or Taijeron, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: ifthevansrockin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[too.  saddest thing is, he finally stayed healthy last year, but the numbers did not bounce back.

Mets seem to have not given up on him, since for now, he is still on the 40 man, and will probably be manning 2B at Vegas.  He probably has 1 more shot at a future with the Mets, but he better crush it in ST (and not get hurt!).  Otherwise, if you see him at all, it will be as one of those late bloomer types on another team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too.  saddest thing is, he finally stayed healthy last year, but the numbers did not bounce back.</p>
<p>Mets seem to have not given up on him, since for now, he is still on the 40 man, and will probably be manning 2B at Vegas.  He probably has 1 more shot at a future with the Mets, but he better crush it in ST (and not get hurt!).  Otherwise, if you see him at all, it will be as one of those late bloomer types on another team.</p>
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		<title>By: mrmetfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrmetfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What ever happened to Reese Havens? Damn injuries... I really thought he would be our 2B of the future. Has the ship completely sailed on him?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ever happened to Reese Havens? Damn injuries&#8230; I really thought he would be our 2B of the future. Has the ship completely sailed on him?</p>
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		<title>By: SheawasBetter86</title>
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		<dc:creator>SheawasBetter86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gnoa seems to be the only one that in two years could crack the top ten.  The others seem to be AAAA players.

I do like Verret but with the other young arms already in place, there&#039;s really only room for one Dillon Gee type pitcher.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gnoa seems to be the only one that in two years could crack the top ten.  The others seem to be AAAA players.</p>
<p>I do like Verret but with the other young arms already in place, there&#8217;s really only room for one Dillon Gee type pitcher.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great list, but as for your honorable mentions, don&#039;t you think Lutz is past the point of being labeled a prospect? He&#039;s pretty close to just being a career minor leaguer or AAAA player at this point. I think Maron or Tovar could have been a fair replacement. Overall though you did a nice job with your choices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great list, but as for your honorable mentions, don&#8217;t you think Lutz is past the point of being labeled a prospect? He&#8217;s pretty close to just being a career minor leaguer or AAAA player at this point. I think Maron or Tovar could have been a fair replacement. Overall though you did a nice job with your choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seeing Ynoa&#039;s name there that Cyclones staff last year was quite impressive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing Ynoa&#8217;s name there that Cyclones staff last year was quite impressive.</p>
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