Comments on: MMO Short Shots: Snubbings, Drubbings, And Aaron Sele

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:27:34 +0000

Yep because nothing pisses me off more than someone who cheers for Sandy at the expense of the team!

When Sandy leaves I will go back to my usual as all of you Sandy fans will likely follow him and I’ll get my Summer Baseball back!

By: Donal

Donal — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:20:54 +0000

” Rather, it should be for guys that were the stars of their time, and obviously the best of the best when they played.”

If you mean if they were standouts among their contemporaries, I totally agree. But, you can still use numbers to do that.

By: William H.

William H. — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:56:42 +0000

I like the way the Football HOF used to do it where everything was displayed by decades including those enshrined. It was like each area was like walking into a time capsule with the stars and images of each era.

By: ifthevansrockin

ifthevansrockin — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:50:34 +0000

well, in theory, shouldn’t WAR if properly applied help make the case for Murphy?

I posted in some thread the other day that IMO the hall voting should not just be based on numbers. Rather, it should be for guys that were the stars of their time, and obviously the best of the best when they played.

which I think is a totally subjective way of rating the WAR of a player!

and by that criteria, Murphy should be in.

By: srt

srt — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:49:55 +0000

‘Writers likely knew that if they crossed the line in the sand, they would be cut off from the player (effectively ostracized), putting their jobs at risk’

Yup, my opinion as well. I believe the majority of the media that did know what was going on knew it would probably cost them their job if they blew the lid off it. Especially since they probably also all knew the commissioner’s office knew about it and they were turning a blind eye.

By: ifthevansrockin

ifthevansrockin — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:48:06 +0000

good to know that metsie finally admitted that he really does just argue with himself.

By: ifthevansrockin

ifthevansrockin — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:46:09 +0000

It’s not just money, but also access (and I guess keeping your job qualifies as money!)

Writers likely knew that if they crossed the line in the sand, they would be cut off from the player (effectively ostracized), putting their jobs at risk. how long can a writer survive with no access to the key guys?

so like Real said, a lot of them probably “knew” at some point, but for whatever reason (including iron clad proof) they weren’t going to be the one going for the nuclear option and blowing the lid off.

By: Donal

Donal — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:30:15 +0000

You don’t think any of the writers profited off of it? You don’t remember the grand old circle jerk of the summer of 1998? You don’t think they made any money selling these stories?

All the stories of McGwire and Sosa’s friendship? Of what a great dad Big Mac was and how much he did for kids blah blah blah?

you don’t think some guys bought nicer cars because more people wanted to read/hear/talk about baseball during that time?

By: Todd

Todd — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:27:02 +0000

I saw the Oakland A’s weight room in “Moneyball” and it did not look state of the art.

By: Donal

Donal — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:20:34 +0000

I agree that Murphy should been in the Hall of Fame. It makes no sense. Most of the people with ballots are old enough to have been covering when he was a shoe in. How can they be desensitized to his production? If they really wanted to “send a message” to the PED users, they would have put Murphy in.

I disagree with the idea that the reporters didn’t know about the doping. Lenny Dykstra came to camp one year jacked as hell. When the press asked what he did, he claimed he was taking “good vitamins” with a grin and they all laughed. they all knew.

By: srt

srt — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:04:02 +0000

I remember that passage in the book. RA said he had no idea what that needle was for, but he included that for a reason, I’m thinking.

By: Trs86

Trs86 — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:03:48 +0000

Similar to my point was LoDuca’s comment:
“take a vote of which owners were complaining during that era. NONE”

By: srt

srt — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:03:08 +0000

I have no clue. Probably b/c I’m not as outraged by this whole steroid era issue as some others are.
More than not did it, we’ll never know who all did. Trying to use one’s moral compass to ‘guess’ as some of these voters did is just plain dumb, IMO.

By: Trs86

Trs86 — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:00:57 +0000

Joe my point is during that time many of these guys made a name for themselves as writters based on the popularity that baseball achieved during that time based on the success of the roid users and covering them.

By: Joe D

Joe D — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:58:57 +0000

Please explain how the writers got rich? Please tell me how lets say John Delcos got rich?

By: Trs86

Trs86 — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:58:43 +0000

It’s all about entertainment.

By: Trs86

Trs86 — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:58:22 +0000

“But people didn’t want to know. Most slapped the blinders on and enjoyed the show.”

By: Trs86

Trs86 — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:57:57 +0000

Where did I say TRDM has more success than MB or MMO? We know our place, perhaps you should.

As to if I am lying or not, perhaps you can travel back in time to when I was watching and ask me then. Otherwise, I stand by my statement.

You are proving my point though, baseball is about entertainment. Were you entertained?

By: Trs86

Trs86 — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:56:21 +0000

No I am saying they knew. There is no doubt in my mind that they suspected something. Baseball and the media got rich during this time and now it’s wrong for them to be the ones holding the players accountable now when I think they new then but it didn’t serve their purpose then.

By: Joe D

Joe D — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:52:47 +0000

Oh I see, 98% of reporters and team officials, not fans. Okay. Still I spoke to six of them in last 48 hours, and they are pissed because they all assumed it was part of this focus on weight training. They are not athletes, they are writers. You may think they all have trained eyes that can identify ripped abs as use of steroids, but then why are you upset they didnt elect Bagwell, Piazza, etc for using those trained eyes? You have to choose a side. Do you applaud them for punishing them using the eye test?