Comments on: Mets Sign Outfielder Andrew Brown To Minors Deal

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 14:30:26 +0000

for what it’s wortgh, i recently(this am opined to me select group of fellow nym fans, friends & prodgeny, the following take on this bit of newsless info…
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MOST LIKELY A COSMETIC ONLY, INSIGNIFICANT FOOTNOTE.
IT DID GIVE ME CAUSE TO WONDER WHY BROWN AS I ATTEMPT TO EVALUATE ALDERSON’;S THOUGHT PROCESS. SURELY, WHERE THERE’S TYPICALLY A MOUNTAIN SIZED PILE OF “HOPEFUL” MiLB SIGNEE OUTFIELDERS CRAVING ANOTHER SHOT @ A BIG LEAGUE DEAL. DSESPITE THAT REFERENCED .22ish BA IN A MINIATURE SAMOPLE IT BECAME OBVIOUS THAT AS MONEYBALL PUTS A PREMIUM GOLD STAR ON “ON-BASE PERCENTAGE(OBP) AS THE HIOL;Y GRAIL OF UNDER EVALUATION THE SIGNIFICANT TALLY OF 2,078 ABs BROWN HAD AS A MINOR LEAGUER REVEALS THAT DESPITE A JOURNEYMAN .282 AVERAGE HE WAS STELLAR WITH A SIGNIFICANT .365 OBP.
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=518500#gameType='R'&sectionType=career&statType=1&season=2012&level='ALL‘

I’M SENSING AN ALDERSON PATTERN OF SIGNIFICANT BEHAVIOR.

UNFORTUNATELY I BELIEVE ALDERSON IS MUCH MIORE COMFORTABLE WITH HIS SORTED OUT STATISTICAL ANALYSIS ALONGSIDE HUIS FINANCIAL SPREADSHEETS THAN HE IS WATCHING PERFORMANCES ON GRASS & DIRT! RTHUS SIGNIFICANTLY ELEVATING THE VALUE OF DiPODESTA #1 & JP RICCIARDI #2.

PERSONALLY, I PREFER A GM WITH FIRM, TRADITIONAL, ROOTS SET DEEP INTO THE GRASSEY PLAIN THAT CONSTITUTES MOST BASEBALLFIELDS. AS I CONJURE THOUGHTS THAT A PERFECT NYM GM IN THIS MODERN ERA WOULD CONSIST OF 51% MINAYA WORKING IN TANDEM WITH 49% ALDERSON. IN THE BEST CONCEIVABLE ATMOSPHERE WHERE JEFF CONSISTANTLY IS HELD IN CHECK @ 0% INPUT OUTSIDE HIS SNY REALM OF INFLUENCE.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 05:09:07 +0000

Maybe if they signed someone who was good they wouldn’t to buy 10 Lottery tickets hoping to win….

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 05:08:11 +0000

Oh so this guy will hit 32 HRs?
When and is that totl this season or his entire career combined?

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 05:07:22 +0000

Why do we need organizational depth again?

Is it because we used whatever DEPTH we had as STARTERS who are barely adequate for the task?

Maybe if we signed STARTERS we would have plenty of depth from the guys already here.

By: What

What — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 05:03:14 +0000

Uh that’s blatant sarcasm vinny…

By: Vinny B

Vinny B — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 04:57:32 +0000

You don’t see the difference in talent between Ike and Brown? You can’t compare the two.

I think the fact that two other organizations have given up on Brown and since the Mets picked him up off the scrap heap is enough to write him off.

By: Vinny B

Vinny B — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 04:49:08 +0000

“Are people really that bent out of shape about going from 74 wins to 80-81 wins?”

I am bent out of shape about that kind of thinking. Your basically saying “what’s the point of trying? We suck anyway”. What the hell kind of strategy is that? You sound like a defeatist, and if you have that type of mentality, your never going to be successful.

I have no problem with rebuilding when necessary, but purposely avoiding good moves just because you think we have no chance to compete is completely ridiculous.

What if your wrong? What if the team isn’t as bad as you think? I don’t think the team will contend either, but it’s possible that I’m wrong. So, I’m not going to avoid making moves to improve the team just based on my assumption about the team.

And if your opinion is right and the team does still suck, you can trade a player like Bourn at the deadline for quality prospects. That is far better than draft positioning because they will have more of chance of working out than guys coming straight out of college and high school.

There’s really no downside to making a good move, so avoiding a good move just because you think it doesn’t matter anyway is downright foolish.

By: ifthevansrockin

ifthevansrockin — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 04:33:49 +0000

they didn’t change his approach (I assume you are referring to trying to get him to be more patient?) because he was the poster child for this in the minors too. Always had a modest K rate for his power output, and an excellent BB/K rate.

If he changed anything, it was trying to adjust to produce more HRs, and that would be the antithesis of the “philosophy”, right?

By: ifthevansrockin

ifthevansrockin — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 04:30:54 +0000

simple concept. For a platoon/bench role, they are collecting a bunch of possibilities. If no one comes in between now and ST to take a FT role in RF, they will likely let all these guys compete for the job, to see if any can win it. SImilar to Baxter last year, who won the LH OF gig. the rest will either show nothing and be released, or show enough to go to Vegas where they may end up staying all year, or coming up at some point.

so the answer to the question (who is the RHH partner) is, whoever wins the job.

Aren’t you on record as hating guaranteeing guys a job early in the year, instead of letting them earn it by there performance?

By: ifthevansrockin

ifthevansrockin — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 04:26:47 +0000

Well, Ike davis, an experienced ML player, only hit .227. so by that measure, he is not a ML hitter either, right?

Brown had a limited amount of ABs in his first (or one of only) ML stints. Not exactly enough to write him off by, since if you base a guys future on his first 50-60 ABs an awful lot of good players will be retired early.

By: Tommy2cat

Tommy2cat — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 04:22:27 +0000

Seriously, the logic behind the Brown signing is simply to add organizational depth at the upper minor league level in an area where we are grossly deficient, RH OFers.

Perhaps the most suspect part of Brown’s resume is that most of his success occurred in the PCL, a notorious hitter’s league. He has next-to-no speed, which probably doesn’t translate well into a corner of position.

Brown’s value resides in having a competent RH bat to call up if we face a rash of injuries, which is kinda like AFLAC for whatever ills your roster.

By: Tommy2cat

Tommy2cat — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 04:06:20 +0000

That’s really, really funny!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 03:53:06 +0000

The guy hit .224….
Does that scream MLB to you?

Did they say it as an MLB deal?

NOPE!
Which is why people are questioning signing a do nothing player to an MLB contract when it would be better to play the kids there instead and go and get someone who can play on the MLB level, hit better than Mendoza and let us avoid brtinging up more kids that aren’t ready to play in the MLB which is the ONLY reason why we would need to sign a scrub to a MiL contract just to have a body to play for them.

By: CB

CB — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 03:34:00 +0000

I don’t know if its just a minor league deal or more. and you don’t either. because it is January. check your calendar. If Brown makes the roster, it is probably because he had a decent spring and was one of the best or the best of these signings and so he will be given a shot. And if he doesn’t cut it, one of the other ones will be given a shot. It’s basically sign guys with some upside and see which, if any, hits. The more you sign, the better the chance you get at least ONE that is decent. Unless you think Michael Bourn will turn the Mets into a 90 win team from a 74 win team minus a cy young winner, then these minor league OF signings don’t really matter that much. Its trying to get lucky on a cheap guy while we see what we have in our young guys in a development year. If he hits, great. We get solid production for league minimum, and still lose. If he doesn’t, then it costs them minor league money, and we also lose. Are people really that bent out of shape about going from 74 wins to 80-81 wins? Sh*t if they lose more they get a better pick in the draft. The worse place to be in sports is in the middle. This year will be a very telling year for a lot of youngsters and we’ll really be able to see what we have in some guys. When the time is right I have all the confidence in the world that the big moves will be made. If they are not then I will start judging this FO as everyone else is.
I just don’t get how hard it is to understand that the money it would take to turn this team into a legit contender right now the Mets clearly don’t have, because they were a shitty team with a huge payroll for too long. In what other business do you spend MORE if you are bringing in less than you are putting out? Its like people are getting mad because the Wilpons aren’t richer and shouldn’t care about losing money. They are the owners. It is what it is. If you owned something worth a billion dollars you wouldn’t sell it because people didn’t think you should own it. People need to stop pretending like they would. I’m not defending the Wilpons. I hate them just as much as anyone. But they aren’t going anywhere, and people need to stop thinking they should sell because we tell them to.

so no, none of what you said makes sense, and yes you sound eleven.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 02:57:44 +0000

So WHose your RHH platoon Partner Huh?

Nice to say you can platoon him when you don’t have to name the guy who will play when he doesnt….

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 02:56:10 +0000

It’s hard to say Tejada was rushed when he came up and hit close to .300!

And what does the age of the player have to do with ready or rushed?

College kids who go though a normal 4 year MiL development will all be 22 and more if they get hurt or struggle for a year….

Please the only two guys Omar rushed was Pelfrey (Maybe) and Mejia….and Mejia he did because he knew he was out the door if they didn’t win.

Sandy has rushed FAR MORE prospects than Omar has and he may just rush Wheeler and d’Arnaud due to his decimation of the MLB Roster and unwillingness to spend on decent placeholders until they are ready.

By: CB

CB — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 02:53:28 +0000

um, exactly. which is why he would be in a platoon in which he would face RH pitching a large majority of the time.

DOH!

By: BadBadLeroyBrown

BadBadLeroyBrown — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 02:51:52 +0000

I sound like an a 11yr old and you cant even comprehend simple sentences…smh…yeah ok

You were proven wrong then you tried to change the subject rather than address the initial argument…

Which is the Andrew Brown signing! Is it just a minor league deal or more? Was Jamie Hoffman just a minor league signing or more?

Hoffman and Brown are the exact same type of player Right-handed Power hitting Quad-A players whom both happen to be the same age 28. They signed with the Mets not because they want to play in the illustrious Cashman Field in Vegas which is a dump. They signed with the Mets because the Mets gave them the best opportunity to make it to the majors this year. Because they have openings….Openings which these 2 will compete for come spring training with their spring training invites.

This wasnt just depth/filler signings.

FYI Baxter is what he is terrible he brings nothing to the table but depth as a 4th OF at BEST!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 02:44:53 +0000

What did he hit vs Lefties?

DOH! .053!

By: Met Maniac

Met Maniac — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 02:41:21 +0000

Pagan > Baxter