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Mets Sign Outfielder Andrew Brown To Minors Deal
An article by Hojo's Mojo
The Mets have signed righty-hitting corner outfielder Andrew Brown to a minor league deal with a spring-training invite.
Brown, 28, has hit a combined .224 with five homers and 14 RBIs in 134 at-bats over two seasons in the majors, with the St. Louis Cardinals and Colorado Rockies. Twenty-four of his major league starts have come in right field, with the other nine in left field.
In the minors, Brown has appeared in 239 games at first base, 137 games in right field, 120 games in left field and 42 games at third base.
While he did put up nice numbers in Triple-A, he’s 28 and two teams have already given up on him.
It looks like the Mets will just go with a patchwork solution to their outfield with guys like Collin Cowgill and now Brown to go with Duda, Baxter, Nieuwenhuis and Valdespin.
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championship!
You my friend have TALENT….
Are you interested in a Job with the New York Mets?
Unfortunately we no longer carry health benefits, Sandy cut it. But what we do have is Ray Ramirez–his office is always open. Just bring your own medicine and bandages… Sandy manually counts supplies at the end of each day.
Mets VP Public Relations,
Jay Horwitz
Alderson: How would you like to play outfield for the NY Mets this year?
Andrew Brown: Gee, I don’t know…
Alderson: What do you mean, you don’t know? This is your chance to play in the big leagues.
Andrew Brown: Let me get back to you, will ya, Sandy? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s really, really funny!
Seriously, the logic behind the Brown signing is simply to add organizational depth at the upper minor league level in an area where we are grossly deficient, RH OFers.
Perhaps the most suspect part of Brown’s resume is that most of his success occurred in the PCL, a notorious hitter’s league. He has next-to-no speed, which probably doesn’t translate well into a corner of position.
Brown’s value resides in having a competent RH bat to call up if we face a rash of injuries, which is kinda like AFLAC for whatever ills your roster.
Why do we need organizational depth again?
Is it because we used whatever DEPTH we had as STARTERS who are barely adequate for the task?
Maybe if we signed STARTERS we would have plenty of depth from the guys already here.
We already had Val Pascucci.
I think Val has been permenantly deeded to the Bisons as some kind of cultural icon to Buffalo.
While he did put up nice numbers in Triple-A, he’s 28 and two teams have already given up on him”
Perfect…. More Rejects coming to NY.
“It looks like the Mets will just go with a patchwork solution to their outfield with guys like Collin Cowgill and now Brown to go with Duda, Baxter, Nieuwenhuis and Valdespin.”
It’s possible they will. However, consider this as well.
AAA OF: DD and uh…?
“It’s possible they will. However, consider this as well.
AAA OF: DD and uh…?”
Matt Den Dekker, Juan Lagares, Dustin Martin, Raul Reyes, Wimberly, maybe Loewen and whatever else vet minor league scrubs they choose to sign…
One thing Sandy knows how to do is sign Triple A talent…hell he’s has a whole major league OF full of triple A players
I have never even heard of half of those guys.
LMAO….Sadly the same can be said for our major league Outfield
True but even more unfortunately I have heard of some of them
Hey BBLB I dont think we have Loewen anymore, but Lagares, Dekker, Reyes and Martin are locks for Buffalo.
Maniac who are Reyes and Martin?
Dustin Martin has moderate power and speed. He batted .286/.381/.485 for Bingo last season. He had already got promoted to AAA before the season ended and will star season there in 13.
Raul Reyes, is a just a utility type, but was also promoted to Buffalo before season ended and will start there..
Oh yeah, he’s the guy we got after the Twins dumped him after we dumped him for Castillo. He was a little old for AA last year and I expected him to be in AAA from the beginning. Don’t you find it kinda strange that he had been in AAA for the previous 3 years but played AA for the Mets?
There was a logjam of scrubs in Buffalo last year from the previous winter’s dumpster diving. Fred Lewis, Loewen, etc. Truth is this guy Brown we got is no better or worse than Martin.
Yeah, I just find it strange that he got a ST invite from the Twins but spent most of the year in AA for us. No biggie.
You mean to tell me Loewen is not coming back???
The Loewen who tore up Spring training and Sandy lovers thought he would be part of Bash brothers 2.0 with Ike Davis being his co-star lol
There’s still time. He hasn’t signed with anyone yet
Please make sure your site never goes out of business. It would be devastating for fans if all we had left was this:
Matthew Cerrone – A’s fans mocked Billy Beane for signing Brandon Moss last winter… but then watched Moss hit .291 with 21 HR. I think Brown has the potential to be that kind of guy for the Mets.
Hey is this Daniel? Anyway, I agree but do keep in mind that was an incredible find for the A’s. The guy had this as an MLB average prior to 2012: .236 .300 .382 .682
Uggaabooga, who could have guessed .291 .358 .596 .954
Sometimes you just hit.
Billy Beane has a track record and at least Moss was a Baseball America rated prospect at one point.
Wexler, Did cerrone really say that???? I mean, i know he basically is working for the mets and somehow sh**s on mets fans everywhere by saying his blog is what mets fans are really thinking, but is he seriously saying that???
Here’s full context:
“they need one of these random, low-risk minor-league deals to pan out. A’s fans mocked Billy Beane for signing Brandon Moss last winter… but then watched Moss hit .291 with 21 HR. I think Brown has the potential to be that kind of guy for the Mets. He’s not going to be an All Star, but he could end up being good enough to fill a role and produce”
The Mets should build in a $2 charge for all tickets sold that generates a powerball ticket. If it’s a winner the fan and team split the proceeds. They would definitely have better odds of improving then signing crap like this guy.
They should of never traded away that rule 5 pick Lobster. He was definitely our ticket to titles.
Ok, so basically that’s why he’s signing all these POS’s??? To see if one pans out?? then the sabergooners and sandy lovers can come out and praise him and say how stoic genius he is? Amazing and pathetic at the same time wouldn’t you say?
Happy New Year Alex!
Of course Alderson has signed 42 players like this in three offseasons, and look at his monumental record of failure. Sooner or later he’s bound to hit one. Right now Amazin Avenue must be updating their prospect list to make Brown the #3 prospect for the Mets, and Lerner is working on his Sandy Alderson had a good day blog.
Maniac!!! HNY to you too buddy… I’ll correct you on just on thing on your comment, it was not lerner who wrote the artilcle about alderson having a good day. I’ll give you a hint: It’s a cleanup for that snake…
LOL I always get those two confused.
Mets employee of the Month goes to Matt Cerrone of SNyBlog.com
Hey Cerrone the checks in the MAIL
Mets VP Public Relations,
Jay Horwitz
LMAO!!!!!!!!
All we need now is a platton CF and we are done:) Lets see who gets released in Spring Training.
I thought we already got one in Cowbell and then Hoffman was the platoon partner for RF?
LMAO!!!!
WOW!!!!
I had to google Hoffman I had no idea we signed a guy named Hoffman or forgot all about it lol….Wow…So basically Sandman is stock piling Quad-A Right handed power hitters this off-season lol…Yeah they are definitely gonna do this…go into the season with no major league Outfielders smh–lmao…This nightmare has become a reality
Well we know for sure Hoffman can take a walk hopefully Cory Vaughn turns it on like Wilmer Flores in Double A this year and gets promoted to Triple A by Mid season. I cant go another year (2014)with these kinda acquisitions.
Sandy Promised changes he didnt say they’d be improvements just CHANGES
Your 2013 Power Righty Bats>>>>> Hicks, Hoffman, Brown, to a lesser extent Cowgirl(not that much power)
Yeah, we were laughing about Hoffman a while back.
Bayonne?
252 and counting.
Hey, don’t forget Brian Bixler!
Isn’t he an IF?
2nd thought, no he is a very light hitting utility player.
He’s an IF, OF and POS I believe.
He’s an IF, OF and POS I believe”
Son of a bitching THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMMFAOL!!!!!!!
“While he did put up nice numbers in Triple-A, he’s 28 and two teams have already given up on him.”
KC, Bal, Tam, and the Mets all gave up on Jose Bautista before he made any headway in Pitt and they still gave him away to Toronto where he had his breakout…at the age of 29.
So it can happen.
Woohoo. I can hear Kool and the Gang’s Celebration playing in my head.
The Mets never “gave up” on Jose Bautista. He never played one game in Met’s organization. He was a Met for like 2 seconds, and the only reason why he was acquired at all was because the Mets used him to complete another trade.
But what kinda story does that make Vinny? LOL.
It makes a factual story.
Very true. The Mets love to exaggerate two things actually. Prospects and our own misery.
I think these guys there signing are perfect for catching the punt…
Which prospects would you give up for Kool and the Gang?
Andrew Brown and a POSTBNL.
LoL@ POSTBNL—–Yahwzer
Let’s also take into account that while he had nice AAA numbers, he played in a very hitter friendly stadium(Colorado Springs), and played in a very hitter friendly league(PCL). He was also 27 last year, so it’s not like he’s a young prospect.
The chances of him making any kind of positive impact is very small.
Happy New Year Vinny. Is it me or does Alderson target guys who only had their best seasons in the PCL? It’s becoming a big trend.
Agreed.
Mets Triple-A affiliate is Las Vegas this year, by the way. Buffalo is going to be Toronto’ AAA team going forward.
I think Brown was worth a flyer. If Sandy isn’t going to spend any meaningful $$$ on a OFer, SP or reliever and just bottom feed, then the Mets might as well bring in 2 more OFers , 2 more bullpen arms and some 4A SP on minor league deals and sort the scrap out in ST. This guy has some potential- 3 str8 20HR, .284 plus BA & .883 plus OPS seasons in a row in the high minors, is RH and can play both corner OF spots.
So you believe in putting “Lipstick on Pigs”
BEST post on this subject. A question, if Nimmo has a good year do you see him in AA or Las Vegas this year. I know he struggles at times but we have a lot invested in this guy.The reason I ask the question is that will we see him at the major league level in later ’14 or ’15.
Double-A or Las Vegas??? Are you kidding me??? He’s repeating in Brooklyn I’ve read and he has yet to get to Single-A Savannah. If he’s lucky and can actually hit with any consistency maybe he’ll make it there by September.
Do you have any idea that in November Nimmo was ordered to an instructional league to work out his swing and stance! You know what that says??? They are shitting bricks.
http://www.highheelsonthefield.net/my_weblog/2012/10/checking-in-with-mets-prospect-brandon-nimmo.html
I guess Brandon didn’t see it that way.
What is that supposed to prove other than to validate what I said? If he was hitting like they expected you think they would assign him to instructs? You have any clue what instructs is? Not the spring instructs, the fall instructs.
Yes, I know full well what it is and I also know that top prospects get assigned there all the time.
In fact, the Royals sent price Bubba Starling there along with 82, yes 82, of his organizational teammates.
“Instructional League started for the Mets a week ago. It’s basically like spring training in the fall for the team’s better prospects who can expect to start 2013 at St. Lucie and below, which includes Savannah,”
http://metsminorleagueblog.com/aderlin-rodriguez/instructional-league-roster-and-steven-matz-update/
He’s full of shit. There is no spring training and a schedule of games like spring instructional league. They go there to work specifically on flaws and in Nimmo’s case it’s his swing and his throwing. He gets up at 8 AM and takes 100 swings a day with hitting instructors trying to teach him a new swing or stance with the goal of building muscle memory that they hope will stick with him. No wonder Toby Hyde got fired twice as an analyst and now only runs his SNY blog and does play by play.
OK Maniac. If you say so. I will take the fact that all of the Mets recent high picks were there as a sign that perhaps it’s more than just a training ground for the disappointments
http://snymetsminors.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/2012-nym-instructional-league-roster.pdf
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Perhaps it is a sign that the FO is worried that these guys (who most of you have touted as the main reason for sitting on our MLB hands) Need to start showing something because d’Arnaud and Wheeler are likely to be in the MLB by year’s end and that BA Ranking of organizations you guys have been pointing to as the improvement Sandy has made goes away once they get here?
Really the Two best prospects of this CORE your building will be here by the end of the year (unless they bust) and we will have our CORE but be right back where we started before Sandy got here as far as FARM STRENGTH is concerned.
True taking out Wheeler and TDA from the farm will make it bottom heavy again for sure.
As to IL, again it appears to me that this FO and most others choose to bring in a ton of players to IL, especially those who played in short season ball.
I don’t really see a problem with sending them to instructional league on it’s own….
Except maybe that these are the kinds of things that gets kids hurt and worn out and makes them have a career ending injury.
You can’t play baseball alll year long and not have it take a toll on you…
Fine to send a guy to Venezuela when he is coming off injury to get the work in or the the Instructional league if he isn’t doing what he should….
But if the guy is doing well there should be no reason to send him to do the extra work, Let him rest and get healthy so he won’t break down and become worthless to you even in trade!
After TDA (I want to get amlicensing deal from you for that one! LOL) and Wheeler come up there isn’t much down on the Farm to tout as looking forward to….
Certainly not BA mention worthy (though some will make the list anyway)
Which means they had better get someone of real quality in this draft or the one thing people have been looking to for patience will go away and that will only put a microscope on the MLB team which has not really improved past the upgrade of the Catcher position and a young promising Pitcher for a Cy Young old guy!
And even WITH those changes this team is still further away from competing than it was when Sandy started….
Don’t think the press won’t catch and latch onto that at the end of the year….
This may be the PLAN you guys want but it will take too long to happen and Sandy will be gone before it ever comes to the point you think it will…..
Then the arguments will be who gets credit for the success, Sandy or the guy we replaced him with….
And so far if the current roster (CORE) stands Sandy will get credit for two guys and thats about it…..
The rest will be either Omars or some guy the new GM brought in.
Doesn’t look good for Sandy’s legacy here does it?
This is why it is important to get Nimmo all this extra work because he is the last and ONLY great kid he got us that can be mentioned when he says we are building via the farm…
And thats not enough for anyone to buy into patience…It sure wasnt’t enough when Harvey, Davis, Tejada, Gee, Niese and Murphy were the names in our Farm was it?
When I have to see quotes from SNY Flog Network Cerrone, Hyde and Berg all in the space of a two hours on MMO. I know it’s time to pack it in for the day. Later Alex, Leroy, Vinny.
I stopped reading over on Metsblog a year or so ago, with the exception of Ted Berg.
I find him knowledgeable, insightful and best of all, doesn’t take himself too seriously – unlike those others over there.
Yeah, I really like Berg. Cerrone, I just check there for updates now and then. Not really too concerned with his opinion on things.
On a bright note you chased MM away.
So TRS and SRT enjoy the Musings of Ted Berg huh?!?!
I guess you guys love FoodPorn, Fastfood and Sandwiches cause thats all he really talks about…lol
Anyone knows where I can get a good Pastrami Sandwich?lol
I’d go see them if they played that reporter in CF….
Maybe he will be our opening day centerfielder and he’ll skip Low-A, A, Hi-A, Double-A and Triple-A .
now the FO is getting knocked for instructing and trying to develop their prospects. lol. man, you can’t make this sh*t up.
Nimmo had the highest OPS of any 19 year old in the league. Yes I’m sure the Mets are sh*tting bricks.
Basically Instructional League is a month-long training camp for what an organization believes are its best A-ball and Rookie ball prospects.
Get to work on specific things in a pressure free environment with the roving instructors.
It has always been that way – for the Mets and every other organization. David Wright & Jose Reyes particiated back in their time as A-ball guys.
Games get stopped by coaches in the middle of innings to explain stuff, say how a rundown play is handled the right way.
If an A-ball prospect isn’t invited, he’ s not being considered a real prospect, I’m afraid.
Of course, no player in Instructs will appear on the 2013 team – and probably not in 2014 either.
Yeah as compared to the previous FO which would draft a guy, highly tout him, rush him through the system, and when he was nothing, sign a big money FA to compensate for no worthwhile talent being developed in the minor leagues.
Names the guy that Omar Rushed other than Pelfrey and Mejia….
Then look at all the guys that have been rushed up to play the OF, and Bullpen….
Edgin, Kirk, Duda, Valdespin, Lutz, just to name a few….
you mean a bunch of guys that had many years in the minors, and were in the neighborhood of 25 when they came in? Yeah, that is really rushing the guy.
Oh, to your list add Tejada.
It’s hard to say Tejada was rushed when he came up and hit close to .300!
And what does the age of the player have to do with ready or rushed?
College kids who go though a normal 4 year MiL development will all be 22 and more if they get hurt or struggle for a year….
Please the only two guys Omar rushed was Pelfrey (Maybe) and Mejia….and Mejia he did because he knew he was out the door if they didn’t win.
Sandy has rushed FAR MORE prospects than Omar has and he may just rush Wheeler and d’Arnaud due to his decimation of the MLB Roster and unwillingness to spend on decent placeholders until they are ready.
Whats this New Moneyball Strategy being used by SANDMAN & Company…
“Lets throw a bunch of Sh*t on the wall and see what sticks”
Nice Plan, I can see why Jess Wilpon & David Wright loves it so much….Jeff knows a winning plan when he heres one smdh
What is it about guys that hit in the .220s that makes this FO want to give them money?
Brown fits Sandy’s value profile. We had no right handed hitting outfielders in AAA or AA last season. So at worst he is filler. I hope he works out as well as Baxter, another filler pickup. Hey here’s an idea that Sandy can afford. How about we put a proven righty MLB hitter out there. His name is Justin Turner. He is clutch and is a winner.
Yuck.
Ted Berg dug this guy up back on 4 Dec:
http://tedquarters.net/words/ryan-ludwick-or-the-next-ryan-ludwick/
He must have some insight as to how this FO was going to try and plug the holes in the OF.
Or he just gets wide-eyed and giddy with PCL numbers like Sandy does.
Wowsa, he’s got Wanny like physic ability.
“With some quick searching, I found my horse: Andrew Brown. The 28-year-old Brown notched 112 unspectacular at-bats with the Rockies in 2012, then elected free agency last week after the Rockies removed him from their 40-man roster. Brown bats right-handed, has experience in all four corners, and has hit .296/.373/.551 over the last two seasons in Triple-A with a .314/.416/.564 line against lefties.
Brown’s presented here more as an archetype of what the Mets should be looking for than a specific guy the Mets should be signing, and for all I know there are 10 teams currently bidding for Andrew Brown’s services. But if Brown’s looking for Major League playing time, it’s hard to figure a better spot for an unproven righty-hitting corner outfielder than Queens right now”
We need some Wanny’s in this FO…..
Agreed. LOL.
He is the man. Just don’t cross him.
in some ways, it sounds like a RH Baxter. Which is exactly what they need to split the position with the LH hitting Baxter they already have.
so right now, the OF is basically 2.5 platoons (2 platoons and a regular defensive replacement?)
LF: Duda, with one of the other 4 coming in late for defense.
CF: Kirk and Cowgill platoon
RF: baxter and (hampton/brown) platoon – could also end up being Hairston, but would it matter?
Who’s Hampton????
Is he another obscure career minor leaguer/Quad-A baller we just signed or are you referring to Jamie Hoffman the other Right handed Power hitting Quad-A Outfielder?
Odd how Alderson apologist keeps calling these guys like Hoffman, Cowgill, Brown, Bixler, Recker, Hicks filler….I guess its a coincidence that all are Right handed bats that happen to fill glaring needs on the major league roster….
Brown, Cowgill, Hoffman RH Bats in the OF
Bixler, Hicks someone needs to replace Cedeno
Recker the new Nickeas
Besides Buck these are the only additions to the lineup (And yes I know D’naurd will start in the minors and eventually come up) So why shouldnt Mets fans believe these are signings for the major league roster?
“While he did put up nice numbers in Triple-A, he’s 28 and two teams have already given up on him”
Next Jeremy Lin?
Brownsanity?
LOL doesn’t have that same flare as “Linsanity”. If anything, it prompts us to ask the age old question…..
What can Brown do for you?
“What can Brown do for you?”
SH*T! aka Stink up the joint if he makes this 25 man roster
Not if his name was Leroy Brown…
Lol…Im starting to think Id be an upgrade in the OF
Yes, because we know for sure he’s gonna suck if he exceeds any expectation of him and makes the 25-man. Late bloomers never happen.
Thought you of all people would be more supportive of a fellow Brown
Exceed what expectations lmao..What expectation???..Do you see who is in our Outfield????
All he needs is a pulse and he can make this team in the OF…Id rather see him in RF than Baxter because at least he has some power.
Woooosssshhhh.
“What expectation?”
Exactly.
Im 99.99% sure he’ll bring shame to the name if he is given a shot at the MLB level. Which im sure he will
And if he doesn’t….
I would rather sign dariel Alvarez then any of these bums
It’s a minor league signing and you guys are talking line he is the starting right fielder. Lol, it us a minor league signing with an invite to spring training. He might not even make the team.
welcome to MMO.
A minor league sign by 29 major league organizations is a nothing move that gives it depth in the case of a slew of injuries or gives a little depth at AAA so prospects don’t get rushed. For the Mets, this is a very major move. It has to be because 29 teams are pathetic and stupid trying to win but the Mets are genius because they don’t give a crap about winning and they actually have a very few fans that will defend and support and even cherish the losing.
“It’s a minor league signing and you guys are talking line he is the starting right fielder. Lol, it us a minor league signing with an invite to spring training. He might not even make the team.”
Do you remember a career minor leaguer named Mike Baxter whom had almost the same track record as Andrew Brown???
Well as of now he is our STARTING RIGHT-FIELDER welcome to REALITY!!!!
ok, and Mike Baxter was an above league average hitter last year, including an .836 OPS against right-handed pitching, which is whom he will see a majority of his at bats against again next year. And played pretty solid, above average defense in right field. If one of these signings puts up anything close against LH to what Baxter put up against RH, we have ourselves a pretty good right field platoon.
sooo, I don’t get your point. ??
What your not taking into account is that Mike Baxter put up those numbers in a limited role. He hasn’t been truly tested yet because he has not had significant playing time as a starter.
Baxter also doesn’t have any real impressive skills. He has little HR power, and not a whole lot of speed. Combine that with the fact that he’s already 28 and isn’t really a prospect, he’s not somebody that I’m excited about playing every day and getting significant amount of AB’s.
Fair. but I am willing to give him a shot at it to show that he can’t do it, rather than determining he can’t do it without even giving him a shot. 28 really isn’t that old and he’s only a couple of years removed from a pretty solid AAA season with San Diego. After that he didn’t have more than 50 plate appearances in the majors under his belt until this past year. And judging him on his second half after coming back (early) from a pretty serious shoulder injury wouldn’t really be fair either. Especially when pretty much everyone but Ike and maybe Murphy was just as bad.
I have no problem with Baxter as a platoon half, at least until he shows he can’t get the job done.
“sooo, I don’t get your point. ??”
Are you slow???
Didnt you agree with Peter that we were making too big a deal about this signing. Because Brown is just a minor league signing and he wont be on the 25man roster and he is just filler???
YES you did. Which is why you replied to my message saying, “welcome to MMO”.My response wasnt even directed at you in the 1st place. But you felt stupid when I brought up Baxter who was the same type of acquisition and boom he is….you guessed pegged to be our starting RF for 2013.
And speaking of Baxter in some platoon the kid only had 179 At Bats last year so those numbers you posted mean nil. You also failed to mention the last 2 to 3months of the season he finished with a .220AVG and what .296OBP…
So basically he hit well his 1st 62AB’s then his scouting report got around baseball and he was exposed as a Quad-A lifer by major league pitchers his next 100+ AB’s.
So basically if he is anything like Baxter next year we’ll have a RF platoon production that reads .220AVG —.296OBP with little to no pop.
As Snagglepuss would say…………”Heavens to Murgatroid”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=symGu9SjxSE
And
cherry picking?
overall, which is what counts, vs. RHP on the year he hit .288 with an .836 OPS.
But, if how younger players finish after the book is out, then you should be high on Duda. His first full year, once he got settled in for about 35 games, he put up a line of .322/.410/.553/.963 with 10 HRa in 245 PAs. Obviously pitchers never figured him out!
LOL….How is it Cherry picking? It is the facts….Baxter isnt that good–he has no power, he isnt a contact hitter, he isnt a speed guy…He does draw walks though which isnt gonna cut it especially in RF…
As far as Duda Ive always liked Duda I have no problem with him in LF. But this FO messed with him TOO much….They moved him to RF in Citi tough a lot of ground to cover for a man of his size with No speed whatsoever. Not to mention they tried to change his approach at the plate while having him switch positions in the Majors.
Why try to change his approach now? The Dude hit for a
In 2011 in the 2nd half his stat line was
242PA .322AVG 10HR .411OBP .546SLG .957OPS 39K 27BB
Why would you change that approach? PURE STUPIDITY
Pagan > Baxter
they didn’t change his approach (I assume you are referring to trying to get him to be more patient?) because he was the poster child for this in the minors too. Always had a modest K rate for his power output, and an excellent BB/K rate.
If he changed anything, it was trying to adjust to produce more HRs, and that would be the antithesis of the “philosophy”, right?
as far as the first half of that, it makes absolutely no sense and you sound like you’re eleven years old. You’re almost worse than Metsie.
So I will respond to the second part..
If you want to judge him on two months following a serious shoulder injury in which he admitted he couldn’t even sleep laying down, then that is your prerogative.
I will not.
His first half consisted of only 65 AB’s. If we are judging him solely on the first half, then there really isn’t a lot to judge him on.
Do you think a good 65 AB’s is enough to give a player who doesn’t have very impressive skills significant playing time as a starter?
I don’t.
I sound like an a 11yr old and you cant even comprehend simple sentences…smh…yeah ok
You were proven wrong then you tried to change the subject rather than address the initial argument…
Which is the Andrew Brown signing! Is it just a minor league deal or more? Was Jamie Hoffman just a minor league signing or more?
Hoffman and Brown are the exact same type of player Right-handed Power hitting Quad-A players whom both happen to be the same age 28. They signed with the Mets not because they want to play in the illustrious Cashman Field in Vegas which is a dump. They signed with the Mets because the Mets gave them the best opportunity to make it to the majors this year. Because they have openings….Openings which these 2 will compete for come spring training with their spring training invites.
This wasnt just depth/filler signings.
FYI Baxter is what he is terrible he brings nothing to the table but depth as a 4th OF at BEST!
I don’t know if its just a minor league deal or more. and you don’t either. because it is January. check your calendar. If Brown makes the roster, it is probably because he had a decent spring and was one of the best or the best of these signings and so he will be given a shot. And if he doesn’t cut it, one of the other ones will be given a shot. It’s basically sign guys with some upside and see which, if any, hits. The more you sign, the better the chance you get at least ONE that is decent. Unless you think Michael Bourn will turn the Mets into a 90 win team from a 74 win team minus a cy young winner, then these minor league OF signings don’t really matter that much. Its trying to get lucky on a cheap guy while we see what we have in our young guys in a development year. If he hits, great. We get solid production for league minimum, and still lose. If he doesn’t, then it costs them minor league money, and we also lose. Are people really that bent out of shape about going from 74 wins to 80-81 wins? Sh*t if they lose more they get a better pick in the draft. The worse place to be in sports is in the middle. This year will be a very telling year for a lot of youngsters and we’ll really be able to see what we have in some guys. When the time is right I have all the confidence in the world that the big moves will be made. If they are not then I will start judging this FO as everyone else is.
I just don’t get how hard it is to understand that the money it would take to turn this team into a legit contender right now the Mets clearly don’t have, because they were a shitty team with a huge payroll for too long. In what other business do you spend MORE if you are bringing in less than you are putting out? Its like people are getting mad because the Wilpons aren’t richer and shouldn’t care about losing money. They are the owners. It is what it is. If you owned something worth a billion dollars you wouldn’t sell it because people didn’t think you should own it. People need to stop pretending like they would. I’m not defending the Wilpons. I hate them just as much as anyone. But they aren’t going anywhere, and people need to stop thinking they should sell because we tell them to.
so no, none of what you said makes sense, and yes you sound eleven.
The guy hit .224….
Does that scream MLB to you?
Did they say it as an MLB deal?
NOPE!
Which is why people are questioning signing a do nothing player to an MLB contract when it would be better to play the kids there instead and go and get someone who can play on the MLB level, hit better than Mendoza and let us avoid brtinging up more kids that aren’t ready to play in the MLB which is the ONLY reason why we would need to sign a scrub to a MiL contract just to have a body to play for them.
Well, Ike davis, an experienced ML player, only hit .227. so by that measure, he is not a ML hitter either, right?
Brown had a limited amount of ABs in his first (or one of only) ML stints. Not exactly enough to write him off by, since if you base a guys future on his first 50-60 ABs an awful lot of good players will be retired early.
You don’t see the difference in talent between Ike and Brown? You can’t compare the two.
I think the fact that two other organizations have given up on Brown and since the Mets picked him up off the scrap heap is enough to write him off.
Uh that’s blatant sarcasm vinny…
Oh so this guy will hit 32 HRs?
When and is that totl this season or his entire career combined?
“Are people really that bent out of shape about going from 74 wins to 80-81 wins?”
I am bent out of shape about that kind of thinking. Your basically saying “what’s the point of trying? We suck anyway”. What the hell kind of strategy is that? You sound like a defeatist, and if you have that type of mentality, your never going to be successful.
I have no problem with rebuilding when necessary, but purposely avoiding good moves just because you think we have no chance to compete is completely ridiculous.
What if your wrong? What if the team isn’t as bad as you think? I don’t think the team will contend either, but it’s possible that I’m wrong. So, I’m not going to avoid making moves to improve the team just based on my assumption about the team.
And if your opinion is right and the team does still suck, you can trade a player like Bourn at the deadline for quality prospects. That is far better than draft positioning because they will have more of chance of working out than guys coming straight out of college and high school.
There’s really no downside to making a good move, so avoiding a good move just because you think it doesn’t matter anyway is downright foolish.
What did he hit vs Lefties?
DOH! .053!
um, exactly. which is why he would be in a platoon in which he would face RH pitching a large majority of the time.
DOH!
So WHose your RHH platoon Partner Huh?
Nice to say you can platoon him when you don’t have to name the guy who will play when he doesnt….
simple concept. For a platoon/bench role, they are collecting a bunch of possibilities. If no one comes in between now and ST to take a FT role in RF, they will likely let all these guys compete for the job, to see if any can win it. SImilar to Baxter last year, who won the LH OF gig. the rest will either show nothing and be released, or show enough to go to Vegas where they may end up staying all year, or coming up at some point.
so the answer to the question (who is the RHH partner) is, whoever wins the job.
Aren’t you on record as hating guaranteeing guys a job early in the year, instead of letting them earn it by there performance?
Maybe if they signed someone who was good they wouldn’t to buy 10 Lottery tickets hoping to win….
Oh the old “it’s Only a Minor league signing” excuse again….
Tell me why do we need guys to play in the Minors?
Is it because we decimated our OF and were forced to play what many consider not ready or prime time kids that WOULD be in the Minors if we hadn’t ignored the GLARING HOLES on the MLB squad?
Will any of these guys be part of our future winning?
If not then why do we need them MORE than focusing on filling the holes on the MLB squad that would allow us to get guys like Duda and Kirk on track in the batting department so THEN we could promote them to fill a hole when they are ACTUALLY READY?
Yes teams make signings like this ALL the time but they do it because they PROMOTED a Kid that was ready to play in the MLB and need a body to take over because none of thier other kids in A ball or AA are ready to make the move to AAA….
Maybe if we didn’t try and fill the MLB roster with AAAA players we would not need to hire more just to fill out the AAA Roster!
Wasting money on BODIES TO FILL ROSTERS is more wasted than overpaying for a guy whose production may not warrant the salary but he at least FILLS a hole with some performance that can help the rest of your team.
With Brown in the fold Scotty Hairston must be %#^&*#$ his pants.
Bring enough RH Baxters to ST, and hopefully one of them steps up and can stick as the other half of the platoon with the LH version. The rest got back to Vegas, or just go away.
for what it’s wortgh, i recently(this am opined to me select group of fellow nym fans, friends & prodgeny, the following take on this bit of newsless info…
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MOST LIKELY A COSMETIC ONLY, INSIGNIFICANT FOOTNOTE.
IT DID GIVE ME CAUSE TO WONDER WHY BROWN AS I ATTEMPT TO EVALUATE ALDERSON’;S THOUGHT PROCESS. SURELY, WHERE THERE’S TYPICALLY A MOUNTAIN SIZED PILE OF “HOPEFUL” MiLB SIGNEE OUTFIELDERS CRAVING ANOTHER SHOT @ A BIG LEAGUE DEAL. DSESPITE THAT REFERENCED .22ish BA IN A MINIATURE SAMOPLE IT BECAME OBVIOUS THAT AS MONEYBALL PUTS A PREMIUM GOLD STAR ON “ON-BASE PERCENTAGE(OBP) AS THE HIOL;Y GRAIL OF UNDER EVALUATION THE SIGNIFICANT TALLY OF 2,078 ABs BROWN HAD AS A MINOR LEAGUER REVEALS THAT DESPITE A JOURNEYMAN .282 AVERAGE HE WAS STELLAR WITH A SIGNIFICANT .365 OBP.
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=518500#gameType='R'§ionType=career&statType=1&season=2012&level='ALL‘
I’M SENSING AN ALDERSON PATTERN OF SIGNIFICANT BEHAVIOR.
UNFORTUNATELY I BELIEVE ALDERSON IS MUCH MIORE COMFORTABLE WITH HIS SORTED OUT STATISTICAL ANALYSIS ALONGSIDE HUIS FINANCIAL SPREADSHEETS THAN HE IS WATCHING PERFORMANCES ON GRASS & DIRT! RTHUS SIGNIFICANTLY ELEVATING THE VALUE OF DiPODESTA #1 & JP RICCIARDI #2.
PERSONALLY, I PREFER A GM WITH FIRM, TRADITIONAL, ROOTS SET DEEP INTO THE GRASSEY PLAIN THAT CONSTITUTES MOST BASEBALLFIELDS. AS I CONJURE THOUGHTS THAT A PERFECT NYM GM IN THIS MODERN ERA WOULD CONSIST OF 51% MINAYA WORKING IN TANDEM WITH 49% ALDERSON. IN THE BEST CONCEIVABLE ATMOSPHERE WHERE JEFF CONSISTANTLY IS HELD IN CHECK @ 0% INPUT OUTSIDE HIS SNY REALM OF INFLUENCE.