Ike looks like he takes absolutely no shit, no different than RA. u cant push folks like that around

so after Ike provides 99% of our offense , we trade him for OF prospects in 2014…pushing the Sandy date to 2018

wait…

the awesome draft pick Brandon Neemo should be around 22-23 years old by 2014, Im sure we’ll be fine

( if we’re lucky, vicente lupo will continue to progress and be our LF/RF by 2015 )

Earlier today, Sandy Alderson talked to reporters about the state of the team, and said he will give serious consideration to the opinions of Terry Collins, the coaches, and his scouts, when settling on a 25-man roster.

In addition, Alderson basically said:

There are no updates on Carlos Beltran;

Second base is an offensive position;

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You still wanna argue this point ?

Barney (AB/TB) 194/548 = .354 but if you add those 27 hits (basically 1 hit per month) it would be 221/548 = .4032

So in the end would you rather have:
a) Murphy’s glove + 1 extra single per week
b) Barney’s glove without an extra single per week

Murphy had more RBI but this is as much of a product of where they bat in the batting order and the fact that Mets scored more runs than the Cubs.

I really like Murphy and don’t think it is a priority to get rid of him, but I’d have to think he’d be more valuable to another team where he could play more 1st or third… or DH.

ok

Zone ratings and 100 other ways to measure defense showed Miggy was terrible…which explains why Detroit had him at 1B til they signed Fielder

Second, do you know how errors are scored? A guy sitting in a booth sees the play happen and decides if a player should have come up with it. There is no objective standard. It is totally subjective.

its crazy how in 2007, we never in a million years would’ve traded wright for cabrera…

and now, although they are the same age. Cabrera has eclipsed Wright by leaps and bounds.

FYI -

AFTER signing an extension with Detroit in 2008 at age 25…Cabrera will be a free-agent again at age 32…

the perfect way to invest…

in 2006 he had 17 errors…
in 2007 he had 23 errors …

his zone ratings were horrible…
his fielding percentages were horrible

this is why the next 4 seasons he played 1B…

then he moved back to 3B where had a decent year…

this may be due to his maturity level. Cabrera is a different person at age 29 than he was at age 23…it does seem like he takes the game more serious now, which is why he took his game to another level.

speculation of course…

I’m not sure where to rank Murph compared to the rest of the league…I honestly don’t care. To make a fair judgment on him, we need to see what kinds of improvements he makes now that he has a full season under his belt.

Last year at the start of the season, I was keep a record of how Murph’s bat and glove actually affected the out come of a game. Basically it was how many runs did Murph cost because of a bad play and how many runs did the team score because of a direct result of Murph getting on base or driving a run in. There was plenty of games that he didn’t have a positive or negative affect on the outcome of a game, but he by far had more important hits than costly plays. It doesn’t prove how much value he has, it did show that his glove wasn’t hurting the team as much as some wanted to believe.

this is why combined they had the worst defensive infield in baseball in 2008

if u look at the stats

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Team+fielding&sectionType=st&statType=fielding&page=1&ts=1358027591855&sortColumn=fpct&sortOrder='desc'&extended=0&season=2009&season_type=ANY&playerType=QUALIFIER&sportCode='mlb'&league_code='MLB'&split=&team_id=&active_sw=&game_type='R'&position=&page_type=SortablePlayer&results=&perPage=50&timeframe=&last_x_days=

and sort it by year…u see every year those guys were paired together, Florida had the worst defense in baseball

thats not reputation, thats FACTS !

Murphy and Duda were stasticially the WORST FIELDERS for their positions in 2012…of course u dont need a stat sheet to see that…but to ignore their short-comings b/c someone puts Murphy on a top 10 list is bat-sh*t crazy

and I love murph, wish we had 24 more guys with that kind of fire…but in reality, he is a better hitting version of chris “the animal” carter

I thought about this for a second…

with the amount of meddling the wilpons do…

is it ever possible to have a true architect who designs this team in his image and is set for long term success ?

I mean i think we all can agree that the David Wright deal was not Sandy’s idea…

so with that being the case, how can we truly judge any GM’s body of work here when so much of it is controlled by either Jeff or Fred with neither one willing to ever accept responsibility ?

( this can segway into a nice article by the way )

#justsayin

1) A lot of us seem to be living in a bubble. We just see Murphy having trouble on some plays and assume every other team has vacuum cleaners at 2B. There are only 30 teams and only 22 had one guy play 2B more than 100 games.

2) Murphy isn’t as horrid defensively as so many around here gleefully claim. Actual coaches say he plays fairly passable defense. He seems to have a bigger problem with reputation and looks rather than actual ability. The Miguel Cabrera Effect.

3) Good defense might preserve a game, good offense changes them.

When asked Wednesday how he views second, as a defense- or offense-first position, Alderson gave a one-sentence answer: “I view it as an offensive position if it can be.”

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110316&content_id=16978678&notebook_id=16980786&c_id=nym

You may want to read DePo’s comments on Lagares last week a couple of posts down. I think you challenged us on that too yesterday.

and this was considered a down year offensively for Murphy.

Well the problem with defense is even the ones who trust math DO NOT TRUST THE MATH!

Therefore they ignore it….

Saberattlers will very quickly admit the defensive metrics they have been able to come up with don’t really work and can’t be trusted. It was mentioned quite a few times on that top 10 show!

They think OBP works for Offense but they have yet to find the OBP of defense.
All because they can NOT come up with the VARIABLE for RANGE and PLAYABLE.

Those don’t show up in the boxscore and since many of these MATH GURUS rarely see the game just plug in numbers they have yet to figure out HOW to create those very important variables.

Perhaps a method of measuring the distance between widest plays made (L-R & S-D) they could come up with a range metric and from that determine how many plays the player could seemingly get to and compare to how many he actually made in that range. That would give you a OPO (Outs per opportunity) that could then be Weighted or amplified by the range variable.

An OPO of .990 times Range would give you a decent defensive metric for an OF. IF would require a bit more as the DP and Bunts would have to be taken into account I suppose.

But none of the Math Guru’s are doing that because it would require going and looking at every play every player made to come up with the variables and that type of work just isn’t something they are truly willing to do even if you pay them!

Not even sure you could do it quick enough to act on it within a years time!