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		<title>By: vinnie papandrea</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/how-does-michael-bourn-play-into-the-mets-endgame.html#comment-352512</link>
		<dc:creator>vinnie papandrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed there is no market for this guy and Mets will not give up #1 pick to get him]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed there is no market for this guy and Mets will not give up #1 pick to get him</p>
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		<title>By: TX</title>
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		<dc:creator>TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[agreed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The whole trade a pick, get a pick thing is really not worth it when you consider the fact your trading a real Top 15 Pick for what at best will be a Sandwich pick between the 1st and 2nd round when he leaves....

If you do it you do it to trade him at the deadline for kids but you wouldn&#039;t wait for the Comp picks....Not worth it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole trade a pick, get a pick thing is really not worth it when you consider the fact your trading a real Top 15 Pick for what at best will be a Sandwich pick between the 1st and 2nd round when he leaves&#8230;.</p>
<p>If you do it you do it to trade him at the deadline for kids but you wouldn&#8217;t wait for the Comp picks&#8230;.Not worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: TX</title>
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		<dc:creator>TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah, I hesitate with that for sure.  I do see the point, but if you are just rolling with Bourn to get his pick when he supposedly bolts, you are most likely getting a later round pick or possibly 2nd round pick.  So you are really trading the 11th pick this year for a possible late 1st to 2nd round pick the following year and the production Bourn gives you this year in the OF.  I think I&#039;d rather have Bourn for 3-4 years or not at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, I hesitate with that for sure.  I do see the point, but if you are just rolling with Bourn to get his pick when he supposedly bolts, you are most likely getting a later round pick or possibly 2nd round pick.  So you are really trading the 11th pick this year for a possible late 1st to 2nd round pick the following year and the production Bourn gives you this year in the OF.  I think I&#8217;d rather have Bourn for 3-4 years or not at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW:

Turners Salary - $491,000
Bourns Salary -  $15,000,000  (projected)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW:</p>
<p>Turners Salary &#8211; $491,000<br />
Bourns Salary &#8211;  $15,000,000  (projected)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael Bourns numbers:
.274   .348 OBP    .391 SLG

Justin Turner
.270    .319 OBP    .392 SLG]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Bourns numbers:<br />
.274   .348 OBP    .391 SLG</p>
<p>Justin Turner<br />
.270    .319 OBP    .392 SLG</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really ????
He hit .270 with .319 OBP and .392 slugging, and sees more pitches than anyone in the line up. Hes probably our best clutch hitter in clutch spots and at worst will make a pitcher throw 6, 7, 8 pitches in those situations. Im not saying hes a superstar, but he has value &amp; that would increase if he was able to play well defensively in the OF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really ????<br />
He hit .270 with .319 OBP and .392 slugging, and sees more pitches than anyone in the line up. Hes probably our best clutch hitter in clutch spots and at worst will make a pitcher throw 6, 7, 8 pitches in those situations. Im not saying hes a superstar, but he has value &amp; that would increase if he was able to play well defensively in the OF.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And no one gives it to him what are his Options Ivan?

Put a gun to a GMs head to give it to him or sit out a season where his value plummets next year when he tries to be a smarta$$ again?

Like I said two weeks till pitchers and catchers report....
Boras will be nullified when that day comes. He can ask for whatever he wants but once ST starts what he wants will change dramatically and getting Bourn on an MLB team will be much more important to him than his cut this year because he will lose money money sitting out than he will taking a one year to a contract someone is willing to pay where he could increase his value for next year&#039;s attempt at robbery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And no one gives it to him what are his Options Ivan?</p>
<p>Put a gun to a GMs head to give it to him or sit out a season where his value plummets next year when he tries to be a smarta$$ again?</p>
<p>Like I said two weeks till pitchers and catchers report&#8230;.<br />
Boras will be nullified when that day comes. He can ask for whatever he wants but once ST starts what he wants will change dramatically and getting Bourn on an MLB team will be much more important to him than his cut this year because he will lose money money sitting out than he will taking a one year to a contract someone is willing to pay where he could increase his value for next year&#8217;s attempt at robbery.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God I hope we do not sign Bourne.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God I hope we do not sign Bourne.</p>
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		<title>By: ifthevansrockin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ifthevansrockin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the new CBA penalties (since he got a qualifying offer) make the cost of signing him to a 1 year deal (the old Boras fall-back position) much higher, especially for the non-protected teams (though even the first 10 take a hit).  

As to guys coming along, vaughn (assuming you think he will ever make it) is closer than Nimmo.

and IMo the FA pool next year is less of an issue, since the more likely scenario is getting some parts (OF) via trade, using some of the SP that is pushing through, with hopefully some of them having moved ahead enough to really ramp up the trad value.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the new CBA penalties (since he got a qualifying offer) make the cost of signing him to a 1 year deal (the old Boras fall-back position) much higher, especially for the non-protected teams (though even the first 10 take a hit).  </p>
<p>As to guys coming along, vaughn (assuming you think he will ever make it) is closer than Nimmo.</p>
<p>and IMo the FA pool next year is less of an issue, since the more likely scenario is getting some parts (OF) via trade, using some of the SP that is pushing through, with hopefully some of them having moved ahead enough to really ramp up the trad value.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mets have to sign Mike Bourne now!! He is a great centerfielder, walked 70 times, had 170 hits, 40 something S.B.&#039;s. 3 year deal maximum worth 14.5 million a year. Jon Rauch was excellent where needed. A must resign. What about Adam Dunn for Ike Davis upgrade in power. 62 diehard fan, Paul]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mets have to sign Mike Bourne now!! He is a great centerfielder, walked 70 times, had 170 hits, 40 something S.B.&#8217;s. 3 year deal maximum worth 14.5 million a year. Jon Rauch was excellent where needed. A must resign. What about Adam Dunn for Ike Davis upgrade in power. 62 diehard fan, Paul</p>
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		<title>By: ifthevansrockin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ifthevansrockin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who knows until you see him play.  I will predict somewhere between mediocre and below average?  of course, he may have spent years playing the OF as a younger guy, so it won&#039;t be comepletely new.

the bigger issue is, he will still be a lousy hitter out there, and of all the guys on the team, he is about the last one that i want to find more ABs for!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knows until you see him play.  I will predict somewhere between mediocre and below average?  of course, he may have spent years playing the OF as a younger guy, so it won&#8217;t be comepletely new.</p>
<p>the bigger issue is, he will still be a lousy hitter out there, and of all the guys on the team, he is about the last one that i want to find more ABs for!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who has an opinion on how Turner will do in the OF during ST?
I cant determine whether or not hes enough of an &quot;athlete&quot; to make a seamless transition. Wouldnt it be the shit if he went out there and showed great skills?
Biggio never looked like a speedy, defensive centerfielder when they decided to get him out from behind the plate &amp; throw him out there, and he turned out to be a perennial All-Star !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who has an opinion on how Turner will do in the OF during ST?<br />
I cant determine whether or not hes enough of an &#8220;athlete&#8221; to make a seamless transition. Wouldnt it be the shit if he went out there and showed great skills?<br />
Biggio never looked like a speedy, defensive centerfielder when they decided to get him out from behind the plate &amp; throw him out there, and he turned out to be a perennial All-Star !</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone who mentions Boras as his agent is ignoring the fact that the GREAT BORAS NULLIFIER is going to be in play.....

14 Days until Pitchers and catchers report.....

He may want a 5 years deal but he doesn&#039;t want to sit out half a season to a year to get it.

No matter what the price you project here are things you should take into consideration.

1 - Kirk is going to be in this OF no matter wat you do with Bourn
2 - You don&#039;t have any Kid coming up save MDD to expect to fill a hole in the next 3 years as Nimmo is still 3 years away
3 - When you look at the list of poaaible FAs next year, many were passed over this year when they would have been cheaper, One or two will be the guy who costs you a 1st rounder unless we get protected next year, and Bourn is a damn site better than any of them!
4 - Say what you want about his ability to leadoff, he is still a better leadoff batter than Tejada
5 - You can trade Bourn later just as guys like Crawford and Reyes got traded for a near ready kid to fill whatever it is we see we need in a year or two.

And Finally....
If that first round pick is more important than what happens over the next 4 years then give up on any semblence of competing until 2017 at the earliest and kiss Sandy goodbye because he is on the ropes now and once there it is a year or two of being that that he will be strung up and sent packing if he doesn&#039;t get us to a playoff or at least playing for one in September.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who mentions Boras as his agent is ignoring the fact that the GREAT BORAS NULLIFIER is going to be in play&#8230;..</p>
<p>14 Days until Pitchers and catchers report&#8230;..</p>
<p>He may want a 5 years deal but he doesn&#8217;t want to sit out half a season to a year to get it.</p>
<p>No matter what the price you project here are things you should take into consideration.</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Kirk is going to be in this OF no matter wat you do with Bourn<br />
2 &#8211; You don&#8217;t have any Kid coming up save MDD to expect to fill a hole in the next 3 years as Nimmo is still 3 years away<br />
3 &#8211; When you look at the list of poaaible FAs next year, many were passed over this year when they would have been cheaper, One or two will be the guy who costs you a 1st rounder unless we get protected next year, and Bourn is a damn site better than any of them!<br />
4 &#8211; Say what you want about his ability to leadoff, he is still a better leadoff batter than Tejada<br />
5 &#8211; You can trade Bourn later just as guys like Crawford and Reyes got traded for a near ready kid to fill whatever it is we see we need in a year or two.</p>
<p>And Finally&#8230;.<br />
If that first round pick is more important than what happens over the next 4 years then give up on any semblence of competing until 2017 at the earliest and kiss Sandy goodbye because he is on the ropes now and once there it is a year or two of being that that he will be strung up and sent packing if he doesn&#8217;t get us to a playoff or at least playing for one in September.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a one-year deal would do is recoup the Mets&#039; first round draft pick. They&#039;d lose it to sign Bourn, then get one from the team that signs him next year after he declines a qualifying offer. Essentially they&#039;d trade having a player the quality of Bourn for one year for having no 1st round picks this year and two next year (or one to give up to sign a big free agent).

This assumes that Bourn performs as well as he did the past 4 years. As great players have come to flushing in the past and forgotten how to play baseball, I can see there might be some hesitation there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a one-year deal would do is recoup the Mets&#8217; first round draft pick. They&#8217;d lose it to sign Bourn, then get one from the team that signs him next year after he declines a qualifying offer. Essentially they&#8217;d trade having a player the quality of Bourn for one year for having no 1st round picks this year and two next year (or one to give up to sign a big free agent).</p>
<p>This assumes that Bourn performs as well as he did the past 4 years. As great players have come to flushing in the past and forgotten how to play baseball, I can see there might be some hesitation there.</p>
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		<title>By: ifthevansrockin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ifthevansrockin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If he can, they definitly need to send Duda and Flores over too!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he can, they definitly need to send Duda and Flores over too!</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I think Bourn is a better overall player than Gutierrez, and Gutierrez isn&#039;t exactly cheap ($7 mil this season, option for $7.5 mil next season for 500k buyout), but for what Gutierrez provides at a minimum of $7.5 mil, I&#039;d take Kirk every day. Maybe not quite the defender, but clearly a solid one. It&#039;s tough to picture a GM on the hot seat doubling his commitment in both length and AAV to a marginally better player re: replacing FG with Bourn.

I don&#039;t see them trading Saunders, who&#039;s not a FA till 2017 and is finally developing some power to go with his solid defense and speed. He hit 19 home runs (before they moved the fences in) and stole 21 of 25 bases, plus power, team control. Get his BA and OBP up a bit and they really have a burgeoning superstar in Saunders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think Bourn is a better overall player than Gutierrez, and Gutierrez isn&#8217;t exactly cheap ($7 mil this season, option for $7.5 mil next season for 500k buyout), but for what Gutierrez provides at a minimum of $7.5 mil, I&#8217;d take Kirk every day. Maybe not quite the defender, but clearly a solid one. It&#8217;s tough to picture a GM on the hot seat doubling his commitment in both length and AAV to a marginally better player re: replacing FG with Bourn.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see them trading Saunders, who&#8217;s not a FA till 2017 and is finally developing some power to go with his solid defense and speed. He hit 19 home runs (before they moved the fences in) and stole 21 of 25 bases, plus power, team control. Get his BA and OBP up a bit and they really have a burgeoning superstar in Saunders.</p>
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		<title>By: TRS86</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRS86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess that could be good for the Mets in that FG most likely is a better fit anyway?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that could be good for the Mets in that FG most likely is a better fit anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: TX</title>
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		<dc:creator>TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair enough, but it should be warranted that not too many teams wanted to go long with Hamilton either.  Swisher is a product of the Yanks stadium, which doesn&#039;t translate well at all for Safeco Field.  Considering the size of that outfield, the fact that the GM is on the hotseat and they need something and have a protected pick, I can see them doing this move.  

As for the King Felix extension, that I think is just the early beginnings of something they&#039;ll end up hammering out.  Prob. will need 6 years, but in my mind, they offer lower years, higher salary and work backwards from there to come to a 6 year, 138 mil deal, or something along those lines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, but it should be warranted that not too many teams wanted to go long with Hamilton either.  Swisher is a product of the Yanks stadium, which doesn&#8217;t translate well at all for Safeco Field.  Considering the size of that outfield, the fact that the GM is on the hotseat and they need something and have a protected pick, I can see them doing this move.  </p>
<p>As for the King Felix extension, that I think is just the early beginnings of something they&#8217;ll end up hammering out.  Prob. will need 6 years, but in my mind, they offer lower years, higher salary and work backwards from there to come to a 6 year, 138 mil deal, or something along those lines.</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where would Seattle play him, though? They&#039;d have to move either Gutierrez or Saunders, and both could be considered Bourn-lite, especially Gutierrez who has always been a tremendous CF. Saunders is a very solid RF, too, and I question their plan if they intend to spend that money on Bourn, which would amount to nothing more than a marginal increase offensively.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where would Seattle play him, though? They&#8217;d have to move either Gutierrez or Saunders, and both could be considered Bourn-lite, especially Gutierrez who has always been a tremendous CF. Saunders is a very solid RF, too, and I question their plan if they intend to spend that money on Bourn, which would amount to nothing more than a marginal increase offensively.</p>
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