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	<title>Comments on: Hits &amp; Misses: One Last Word On Bourn and The Pick</title>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/hits-misses-one-last-word-on-bourn-and-the-pick.html#comment-354870</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 03:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You risk the ire of the league and the union. Not a good idea.

Plus, he&#039;s going to need time to get back into rhythm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You risk the ire of the league and the union. Not a good idea.</p>
<p>Plus, he&#8217;s going to need time to get back into rhythm.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 03:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And if Bourn plays at less than an All Star level those last 2 years, you are screwed since he won&#039;t be good enough to warrant a qualifying offer.

And no, the organization doesn&#039;t rise and fall with Nimmo. He&#039;s important, but this isn&#039;t a Fernando Martinez situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if Bourn plays at less than an All Star level those last 2 years, you are screwed since he won&#8217;t be good enough to warrant a qualifying offer.</p>
<p>And no, the organization doesn&#8217;t rise and fall with Nimmo. He&#8217;s important, but this isn&#8217;t a Fernando Martinez situation.</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 03:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They lose the first, then second, and so on. A pick for every free agent with compensation they sign.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They lose the first, then second, and so on. A pick for every free agent with compensation they sign.</p>
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		<title>By: Just-Da-Damaja</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/hits-misses-one-last-word-on-bourn-and-the-pick.html#comment-354847</link>
		<dc:creator>Just-Da-Damaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 03:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Bourn is going to see people playing baseball in a matter of two weeks and if there is no contract signed by then Boras will either be forced to lower the price, take the best deal he has gotten thus far, or more than likely get fired (if he refuses) because as much as Bourn wants 13+Mil and 5 years, that desire PALES in comparison to his desire to play baseball for an MLB team.&quot;

the 1 other option is bourn waiting til april, then signing with a team that wont risk losing that pick...

the system is broken and made with loop holes]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bourn is going to see people playing baseball in a matter of two weeks and if there is no contract signed by then Boras will either be forced to lower the price, take the best deal he has gotten thus far, or more than likely get fired (if he refuses) because as much as Bourn wants 13+Mil and 5 years, that desire PALES in comparison to his desire to play baseball for an MLB team.&#8221;</p>
<p>the 1 other option is bourn waiting til april, then signing with a team that wont risk losing that pick&#8230;</p>
<p>the system is broken and made with loop holes</p>
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		<title>By: Just-Da-Damaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just-Da-Damaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 03:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so what happens if 1 team signs 2 players with each team getting draft compensation picks...

does that team lose both their 1st and 2nd round pick? or just the 1st ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so what happens if 1 team signs 2 players with each team getting draft compensation picks&#8230;</p>
<p>does that team lose both their 1st and 2nd round pick? or just the 1st ?</p>
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		<title>By: vigouge</title>
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		<dc:creator>vigouge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 02:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can still get the player you value the most and go underslot.  There are almost no sure things in the draft so the best available player at any draft spot is determined solely by the teams scouting system and every teams values different skillsets differently.  And money is limited, that&#039;s the point of the pool.  Teams can not draft and sign 40 players who have the potential to play in the majors for 8.5 million (the mets pool next year).  A team is lucky to get 6 or 7 players, nearly all from the first dozen rounds, that make the majors.  Why anyone would want to increase the number of players with top 10 round talent is beyond me.  I don&#039;t see why this is so hard to understand.

In the history of baseball there has been one team able to build a consistent winner mostly though free agency, the Yankees, and their most successful period was when they were a homegrown team supplemented by free agents.  Every other team has built from their farm and the draft by drafting impact players, trading away deep depth for need and supplementing the roster with smart signings.  The teams who tried to go the free agency route like the Mets and Cubs in the mid to late &#039;00&#039;s, the Marlins last year, end up sucking very quickly.

You should really go back and look at those &#039;teams to beat&#039; assembled by Omar, look at who made starts and who got significant at bats.  They were all deeply flawed with mediocre bullpens and no depth.  The 07 and 08 teams basically had a hot streak at the beginning of 07, then over a year of .500 ball followed by another hot streak to end 08.  Those glory years left the team with 130+ million dollar fourth place roster and very few players that could help on the horizon.  Give me what Alderson is doing now, or what Cashen was doing in the early 80&#039;s any day of the week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can still get the player you value the most and go underslot.  There are almost no sure things in the draft so the best available player at any draft spot is determined solely by the teams scouting system and every teams values different skillsets differently.  And money is limited, that&#8217;s the point of the pool.  Teams can not draft and sign 40 players who have the potential to play in the majors for 8.5 million (the mets pool next year).  A team is lucky to get 6 or 7 players, nearly all from the first dozen rounds, that make the majors.  Why anyone would want to increase the number of players with top 10 round talent is beyond me.  I don&#8217;t see why this is so hard to understand.</p>
<p>In the history of baseball there has been one team able to build a consistent winner mostly though free agency, the Yankees, and their most successful period was when they were a homegrown team supplemented by free agents.  Every other team has built from their farm and the draft by drafting impact players, trading away deep depth for need and supplementing the roster with smart signings.  The teams who tried to go the free agency route like the Mets and Cubs in the mid to late &#8217;00&#8242;s, the Marlins last year, end up sucking very quickly.</p>
<p>You should really go back and look at those &#8216;teams to beat&#8217; assembled by Omar, look at who made starts and who got significant at bats.  They were all deeply flawed with mediocre bullpens and no depth.  The 07 and 08 teams basically had a hot streak at the beginning of 07, then over a year of .500 ball followed by another hot streak to end 08.  Those glory years left the team with 130+ million dollar fourth place roster and very few players that could help on the horizon.  Give me what Alderson is doing now, or what Cashen was doing in the early 80&#8242;s any day of the week.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes but look at the Calendar TRS...LOL

I&#039;m not even suggesting Bourn won&#039;t get what he wants...there is always some dumb GM who decides what the hey....

But in the end, no matter how stubborn or convincing Boras is (and by that I mean convincing Bourn), Bourn is going to see people playing baseball in a matter of two weeks and if there is no contract signed by then Boras will either be forced to lower the price, take the best deal he has gotten thus far, or more than likely get fired (if he refuses) because as much as Bourn wants 13+Mil and 5 years, that desire PALES in comparison to his desire to play baseball for an MLB team.

He is not going to sit out the season because he can&#039;t...
He isn&#039;t THAT good to hold his value that long.

Look at Oswalt...He held out too and wound up being a Reliever not a starter....
One thing to be stubborn but at some point the players says this is more important than that and the price adjust accordingly no matter WHAT name appears on the Agent&#039;s business card...

Thats all I was really getting at above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes but look at the Calendar TRS&#8230;LOL</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not even suggesting Bourn won&#8217;t get what he wants&#8230;there is always some dumb GM who decides what the hey&#8230;.</p>
<p>But in the end, no matter how stubborn or convincing Boras is (and by that I mean convincing Bourn), Bourn is going to see people playing baseball in a matter of two weeks and if there is no contract signed by then Boras will either be forced to lower the price, take the best deal he has gotten thus far, or more than likely get fired (if he refuses) because as much as Bourn wants 13+Mil and 5 years, that desire PALES in comparison to his desire to play baseball for an MLB team.</p>
<p>He is not going to sit out the season because he can&#8217;t&#8230;<br />
He isn&#8217;t THAT good to hold his value that long.</p>
<p>Look at Oswalt&#8230;He held out too and wound up being a Reliever not a starter&#8230;.<br />
One thing to be stubborn but at some point the players says this is more important than that and the price adjust accordingly no matter WHAT name appears on the Agent&#8217;s business card&#8230;</p>
<p>Thats all I was really getting at above.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But a guy who will take underslot is probably not the best player that was there!

Money isn&#039;t LIMITED....You get enough to sign ALL of your picks and we already saved money last year by not signing half our draft and not giving our 2nd rounder a slot offer...

The money is much LESS important than the player...
So if your going to take the pick you had better get someone who will be better than Bourn when he gets here and if he isn&#039;t then the pick is expendable...

This is the point lost on everyone who bitched about Omar giving away picks to get guys that made his team the team to beat those three years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But a guy who will take underslot is probably not the best player that was there!</p>
<p>Money isn&#8217;t LIMITED&#8230;.You get enough to sign ALL of your picks and we already saved money last year by not signing half our draft and not giving our 2nd rounder a slot offer&#8230;</p>
<p>The money is much LESS important than the player&#8230;<br />
So if your going to take the pick you had better get someone who will be better than Bourn when he gets here and if he isn&#8217;t then the pick is expendable&#8230;</p>
<p>This is the point lost on everyone who bitched about Omar giving away picks to get guys that made his team the team to beat those three years.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you get him to agree to justa 4 year deal then in 3 years you can trade him with a year left to go so whoever gets him can get a comp pick and put Nimmo there because if he&#039;s not ready by then he is a bust and your screwed no matter what.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you get him to agree to justa 4 year deal then in 3 years you can trade him with a year left to go so whoever gets him can get a comp pick and put Nimmo there because if he&#8217;s not ready by then he is a bust and your screwed no matter what.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s going to be Quintanilla again...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s going to be Quintanilla again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/hits-misses-one-last-word-on-bourn-and-the-pick.html#comment-354466</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That requires a lot of trust in the other party. And they would probably ending up pissing off both the league and the union.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That requires a lot of trust in the other party. And they would probably ending up pissing off both the league and the union.</p>
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		<title>By: TRS86</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRS86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We said the same thing about Soriano and both times he has been mid to late January and been able to get him his contract.  I don&#039;t think it will happen either Metsie, but with Boras one can never tell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We said the same thing about Soriano and both times he has been mid to late January and been able to get him his contract.  I don&#8217;t think it will happen either Metsie, but with Boras one can never tell.</p>
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		<title>By: TRS86</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRS86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Listening to Ruben Amaro talking about the Bourn situation his thoughts were basically the market is the market and sometimes you get taken by it and have to adjust if you are the player and agent.  Basically he said there was nothing left for Bourn and he couldn&#039;t see him getting close to his demands.  Will be interesting if the goes the Jermaine Dye route.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listening to Ruben Amaro talking about the Bourn situation his thoughts were basically the market is the market and sometimes you get taken by it and have to adjust if you are the player and agent.  Basically he said there was nothing left for Bourn and he couldn&#8217;t see him getting close to his demands.  Will be interesting if the goes the Jermaine Dye route.</p>
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		<title>By: Chicago Days</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chicago Days</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We shall see if Bourn / Boras cave to the &#039;market&#039;...or the market caves in &amp; comes to them. Seattle is my prime suspect to cave. 
IF he costs 13/yr for 3 years and we keep our #11 pick, ok. If not, no, 
I still say he won&#039;t have much market value in 2 - 3 years. If i&#039;m wrong, i&#039;ll say i was. 
i believe it&#039;s time we make good baseball decisions, measuring price (cost) vs. return. Yeah, Bourn&#039;s better than any OF-er we&#039;ve got and if we can get him cheap, i&#039;m all for it. Otherwise, no..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We shall see if Bourn / Boras cave to the &#8216;market&#8217;&#8230;or the market caves in &amp; comes to them. Seattle is my prime suspect to cave.<br />
IF he costs 13/yr for 3 years and we keep our #11 pick, ok. If not, no,<br />
I still say he won&#8217;t have much market value in 2 &#8211; 3 years. If i&#8217;m wrong, i&#8217;ll say i was.<br />
i believe it&#8217;s time we make good baseball decisions, measuring price (cost) vs. return. Yeah, Bourn&#8217;s better than any OF-er we&#8217;ve got and if we can get him cheap, i&#8217;m all for it. Otherwise, no..</p>
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		<title>By: Just-Da-Damaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just-Da-Damaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 12:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sandy, Boras and Bourne would game the whole system by just waiting until April to sign the contract.

No draft pick given up at all]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy, Boras and Bourne would game the whole system by just waiting until April to sign the contract.</p>
<p>No draft pick given up at all</p>
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		<title>By: Padilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Padilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 12:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have no fear everyone, if Bourne wereto become a Met, jessup would do a 180 in a second and tell us all how valuable he is to the team and as a future trading chip.  Jessup has no limits when it comes to twisting the truth and coming up with new lines to defend the puppet master and world&#039;s greatest sport liar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have no fear everyone, if Bourne wereto become a Met, jessup would do a 180 in a second and tell us all how valuable he is to the team and as a future trading chip.  Jessup has no limits when it comes to twisting the truth and coming up with new lines to defend the puppet master and world&#8217;s greatest sport liar.</p>
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		<title>By: Just-Da-Damaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just-Da-Damaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1 - in terms of depth...who plays SS if Ruben Tejada misses significant time?

this to me is the biggest question.

we all know we have 2 other options to play 1B

we all know we have options to play 3B...and C....

we have 0 depth in the OF and SS

when Sandy inherited this club, he actually got a club that was pretty resistent to injuries, because of the depth. 

3 seasons later....and we have 0 depth at SS, 0 depth at 2B, 0 depth in the OF]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 &#8211; in terms of depth&#8230;who plays SS if Ruben Tejada misses significant time?</p>
<p>this to me is the biggest question.</p>
<p>we all know we have 2 other options to play 1B</p>
<p>we all know we have options to play 3B&#8230;and C&#8230;.</p>
<p>we have 0 depth in the OF and SS</p>
<p>when Sandy inherited this club, he actually got a club that was pretty resistent to injuries, because of the depth. </p>
<p>3 seasons later&#8230;.and we have 0 depth at SS, 0 depth at 2B, 0 depth in the OF</p>
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		<title>By: vigouge</title>
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		<dc:creator>vigouge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well obviously you have to draft a guy who&#039;ll sign underslot, teams generally have an inkling on what bonus demands a player has plus there are very few players drafted in the first round who don&#039;t sign (1 or 2 a year) most of whom were players who fell because they had a strong commitment or incredible bonus demands that the team knows already and are taking a chance.  

You&#039;re also looking at the savings wrong, it actually is a large amount that can add up quickly.  An extra 250k can turn your 12th, 16th, and 20th round picks into the equivalent of a 3rd, 5th, and 9th pick.  It&#039;s like trading down in football, it&#039;s routine for a team to trade their first pick for another teams first and third, it&#039;s a great way to still get the player you want plus another one for virtually free.

I also wouldn&#039;t really worry about the amount unsigned last year, the Mets got 18 out of the first 22 picks (20 rounds), most who didn&#039;t sign were in the 30&#039;s.  Players drafted their have a better chance of being struck by lightning than being a starter in the majors.  You should feel good at how aggressive the team was with who they picked.  They seemed to realize that if a signable player would have very little chance of contributing long term then draft a tougher to sign,but more talented, player.  If you sign the guy great you get an extra 8th,9th, 10th rounder, if not then who cares, it&#039;s just to fill out the Kingsport or GCL Mets roster anyway. 

Give me two hail mary  lottery tickets in the 30&#039;s vs any other 8 safe signings.  Go the the baseball america draft database and pick a random 30 something round in any random year, you will recognize almost no one who actually signed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well obviously you have to draft a guy who&#8217;ll sign underslot, teams generally have an inkling on what bonus demands a player has plus there are very few players drafted in the first round who don&#8217;t sign (1 or 2 a year) most of whom were players who fell because they had a strong commitment or incredible bonus demands that the team knows already and are taking a chance.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re also looking at the savings wrong, it actually is a large amount that can add up quickly.  An extra 250k can turn your 12th, 16th, and 20th round picks into the equivalent of a 3rd, 5th, and 9th pick.  It&#8217;s like trading down in football, it&#8217;s routine for a team to trade their first pick for another teams first and third, it&#8217;s a great way to still get the player you want plus another one for virtually free.</p>
<p>I also wouldn&#8217;t really worry about the amount unsigned last year, the Mets got 18 out of the first 22 picks (20 rounds), most who didn&#8217;t sign were in the 30&#8242;s.  Players drafted their have a better chance of being struck by lightning than being a starter in the majors.  You should feel good at how aggressive the team was with who they picked.  They seemed to realize that if a signable player would have very little chance of contributing long term then draft a tougher to sign,but more talented, player.  If you sign the guy great you get an extra 8th,9th, 10th rounder, if not then who cares, it&#8217;s just to fill out the Kingsport or GCL Mets roster anyway. </p>
<p>Give me two hail mary  lottery tickets in the 30&#8242;s vs any other 8 safe signings.  Go the the baseball america draft database and pick a random 30 something round in any random year, you will recognize almost no one who actually signed.</p>
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		<title>By: DrDooby</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/hits-misses-one-last-word-on-bourn-and-the-pick.html#comment-354403</link>
		<dc:creator>DrDooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 09:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bourn would be a very good fit in the Mets OF right now. Especially defensively - but also offensively as a hitter who has averaged a .346 OBP over the past three seasons and also doesn´t have severe platoon splits. That said, giving up the # 11 overall pick for him only makes sense if you get him for at least 3 years and no more than 4 years - and well below the perceived market value. 
If you &quot;only&quot; have to give up the 2nd round pick - probably somewhere around # 50 or so overall (haven´t looked) - then you still don´t want Bourn for longer than 4 years or at what he´d normally have received on the open market had that market not collapsed around him. But you´d be able to go at least a bit higher. 

Would a deal like this be legal under MLB terms: 

Bourn gets a 3-year, 36 million $ contract with a club option 4th year at 12 million $ or a 1.5 million $ buyout to make it 37.5 million $ guaranteed if the 1st rounder is gone. 
If it´s only the 2nd rounder and losing the 1st can be challenged you make it a 4-year, 52.0 million $ guaranteed contract. Which is still well below what Bourn was looking for (5-years, 75 million or 6-years, 90 million) but at least in a range where Boras &amp; Co. can save face. 

The question the Mets have to ask themselves: 
Who is going to be the CF for the next 3+ years ? 
Is it Nieuwenhuis / Cowgill or Den Dekker / Lagares from within ? Is that solid enough ? 
If not, who are the best available CF options on the free agent market beyond Bourn ? 
Carlos Gomez &amp; Jacoby Ellsbury next winter, sure. But where do you see the market for them going ? Do you believe in Ellsbury who has been labeled a very strong or rather mediocre CF by different reports ? Are you willing to hand out a major contract that may have to top 100 million $  overall to a 30+ year-old OF who has had injury problems in the past ? 
Likewise, is there a realistic trade target a few months down the road or next winter ? Chris Young jr. (if his 11.5 million $ option gets picked up by OAK ) ? Dexter Fowler ?  Colby Rasmus ? Cameron Maybin ? Is the 11th overall pick (and the slot money he brings with it) worth more than the prospects you´d have to give up in a trade ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bourn would be a very good fit in the Mets OF right now. Especially defensively &#8211; but also offensively as a hitter who has averaged a .346 OBP over the past three seasons and also doesn´t have severe platoon splits. That said, giving up the # 11 overall pick for him only makes sense if you get him for at least 3 years and no more than 4 years &#8211; and well below the perceived market value.<br />
If you &#8220;only&#8221; have to give up the 2nd round pick &#8211; probably somewhere around # 50 or so overall (haven´t looked) &#8211; then you still don´t want Bourn for longer than 4 years or at what he´d normally have received on the open market had that market not collapsed around him. But you´d be able to go at least a bit higher. </p>
<p>Would a deal like this be legal under MLB terms: </p>
<p>Bourn gets a 3-year, 36 million $ contract with a club option 4th year at 12 million $ or a 1.5 million $ buyout to make it 37.5 million $ guaranteed if the 1st rounder is gone.<br />
If it´s only the 2nd rounder and losing the 1st can be challenged you make it a 4-year, 52.0 million $ guaranteed contract. Which is still well below what Bourn was looking for (5-years, 75 million or 6-years, 90 million) but at least in a range where Boras &amp; Co. can save face. </p>
<p>The question the Mets have to ask themselves:<br />
Who is going to be the CF for the next 3+ years ?<br />
Is it Nieuwenhuis / Cowgill or Den Dekker / Lagares from within ? Is that solid enough ?<br />
If not, who are the best available CF options on the free agent market beyond Bourn ?<br />
Carlos Gomez &amp; Jacoby Ellsbury next winter, sure. But where do you see the market for them going ? Do you believe in Ellsbury who has been labeled a very strong or rather mediocre CF by different reports ? Are you willing to hand out a major contract that may have to top 100 million $  overall to a 30+ year-old OF who has had injury problems in the past ?<br />
Likewise, is there a realistic trade target a few months down the road or next winter ? Chris Young jr. (if his 11.5 million $ option gets picked up by OAK ) ? Dexter Fowler ?  Colby Rasmus ? Cameron Maybin ? Is the 11th overall pick (and the slot money he brings with it) worth more than the prospects you´d have to give up in a trade ?</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/hits-misses-one-last-word-on-bourn-and-the-pick.html#comment-354338</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right big IF they an get him to go UNDER slot....

And thats assuming he doesn&#039;t insist on OVERSLOT which happens a lot with the players we target because they all can go to college and re-enter the draft...

Doesn&#039;t matter your really not saving a lot of money to sign picks with....

And it&#039;s all pointless if we don&#039;t sign half our draft again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right big IF they an get him to go UNDER slot&#8230;.</p>
<p>And thats assuming he doesn&#8217;t insist on OVERSLOT which happens a lot with the players we target because they all can go to college and re-enter the draft&#8230;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t matter your really not saving a lot of money to sign picks with&#8230;.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s all pointless if we don&#8217;t sign half our draft again.</p>
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