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Dickey Thankful Mets Didn’t Meet His Demands, Jays GM Says Alderson Showed No Respect
An article by Hojo's Mojo
Associated Press reported on some of the comments made at R.A. Dickey’s introductory press conference in Toronto on Tuesday afternoon.
Blue Jays general manager Alex Anthopoulos made a disparaging remark against the Mets front office who he said didn’t give the reigning Cy Young the respect he deserved.
After going 20-6 with a 2.73 ERA and leading the NL with 230 strikeouts, Dickey was scheduled to earn $5.25 million next year with the Mets. The Mets first offer to him was only for $14 million over two years according to the report. The Mets later increased their offer to $20 million over two years and that’s where it ended.
“I even told him this when I met him, I didn’t think he got the respect he deserved,” Anthopoulos said.
Anthopoulos said too many have overlooked Dickey’s last three solid seasons. He even thinks Dickey can improve on his Cy Young season as he continues to work on mastering the knuckleball.
Anthopoulos also called the trade expensive, but added that this was a big opportunity because teams rarely trade pitchers of this high caliber.
“Guys like this don’t come around very often and they don’t get traded very often.”
When Dickey took the podium he expressed how thrilled he is to be a Blue Jay and spoke glowingly of his new GM.
“You can see that he’s all in, the moves that he made,” Dickey said. “If we don’t win, it won’t be because of him.”
Dickey then added that he was thankful the New York Mets did not meet his contract demands.
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but I’m sure SA offered him a box of chocolates.
He offered Dickey $500K more a year than Frank Francisco? Am I reading this right?
Excuse me Hojo do you have link to where those numbers you cite came from? Thanks.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8826894/ra-dickey-toronto-blue-jays-thrilled-join-new-team
So the guy who desperately wanted to be a Met for life is happy he’s not, but only after he’s been traded away and is speaking in front of the press of his new team. Perfect example of how people will say anything to make the audience he or she is speaking in front of happy, whether it’s true or not.
He’s had two weeks to see how the other side lives and they have a powerhouse team.
That’s 100% true. I’m not trying to knock Dickey at all. By all accounts (and that’s all we have because no one here knows Dickey personally), Dickey’s a great guy. But for a guy who was lauded for his honesty and integrity by a few here expressly for the purpose of putting down the front office, I’m interested in hearing how people take the news that now all of a sudden he’s glad he’s not a Met, after lobbying so hard through the press about he wanted to be one forever.
No ores what Dickey said to his fans (who appreciate him) in Toronto….
What I notice you glossed over was how the GM for that team said Sandy disrespected him with that measly offer….
Of course he said that. What else would he say? He wants to get on Dickey’s good side, so he says things to do so. Like I said, people say things that their audience wants to hear. It’s human nature.
I do believe he already had 36 million reasons why Dickey was already on his side and the shot at Sandy wasn’t really needed….
But he took it anyway didn’t he?
Dickey also took a shot too….
When he said if we don’t win it won’t be the GMs fault as opposed to other places he has been I suppose….LOL
“I even told him this when I met him, I didn’t think he got the respect he deserved,” Anthopoulos said.
So unless you think all their negotiations went on as complete strangers, yes, he said that to get Dickey on his side. At their first meeting. When they were strangers. Read the article first. Read it a second time to understand it. Then comment.
Run and Hide Sandy boy….
He then said it at a press conference after Dickey was already his 30 Million dollar friend and they had already been well introduced to each other…..
Just admit he took at shot at your hero and accept it!
Maybe go write nasty comments on his Blog and use all your usual insults that you love to use here!
Tell the GM for Toronto how little he knows about Player Evaluation than you do….
Of course he took a shot at Sandy. How else can one take that comment? You seem a bit riled. I’d be too if the very first comment I made on a thread was 100% wrong and I got called out on it. Again.
I do appreciate your vote of confidence, though. As flattering as it is, I can assure you I likely don’t even have 10% the player evaluation knowledge AA does. But again, thanks. I will take your advice, though. I’m done with whatever involvement you have with this thread. Last word (or insults, in your case) is yours. Have at it. I’m looking forward to it.
Yeah wht did I say that you called me out on there slappy?
That the Gm was making friends with Dickey and thats why he said it to a room full of Press people?
Only one thing can be concluded when one of the SMARM brothers says your 100% wrong….
Your 100% Right and they know it!
Have fun tomorrow you should get some sleep because Jessup will require your help tomorrow writing the piece he will post to deflect attention away from this one….
Wow, after being a stand up guy he’s supposed to be nice after he was smeared on the way and eliminated from the 2012 highlights? He is human.
Hardly a power house team, while they may have good players, they finished sub 500 last season. I will believe it when I see it.
He’s no different than most pro athletes……..show me the money. Never understood the man-crush a lot of MMO’ers had for this guy. He couldn’t just be happy to take the money and move on, but had to have the last jab. Like them or not, you can see why ownership moved him.
I don’t agree with your characterization at all. I think the world could use a million more RA Dickeys, let alone just the game of baseball. But you first statement is right. He’s a human and wants his money. There’s nothing wrong with that. But as a “human,” he says what people want to hear. Simple as that.
“But as a “human,” he says what people want to hear. Simple as that.”
No, if that was the case, he never would’ve put his bosses out on front street during those negotiations.
You must be confusing RA with the politcially correct 3B we just re-signed
Well, pretty sure he wasn’t talking to his bosses at the time. So they weren’t his audience, which makes your entire post ludicrous. Secondly, he was wrong for doing so, admitted it and apologized for it.
When are you going to admit how wrong you always are and apologize to the internet for it?
Ah ths when are you going o admit your wrong thing again?
I’ll tell you when….
When you get yourself and ACTUAL brain and prove someone wrong!
Don’t anyone hold your breath waiting for that to happen I been waiting for 3 years now since I showed up your 30 years of research you have yet to find an answer to explain why it was so easy to debunk….
OBP correlation my A$$!
no, he was talking ABOUT his bosses…to Kevin Burkhardt…someone who works FOR HIS BOSSES…who asked him that question at the christmas party where he was dressed as an elf..
sounds like his bosses put him on the spot…and RA reacted by spitting in their face
He couldn’t just be happy to take the money and move on, but had to have the last jab. Like them or not, you can see why ownership moved him”
Where were you when sandy was taking shots at the washington GM? or at Jose Reyes? YOu people make me sick in the defense of this pathetic GM we have. You guys are lucky as hell i am not some type of moderator here, i’d ban you just for defending anything related to SA, he doesn’t merit it ok, it’s easy to go and blame dcikey, but it’s ok to forget sandy has done the same thing right? but of course, you nor xtreem will bring that up
yeah, after a smear campaign…there is a slight chance that your opinion may change..
and even then..Dickey was a class act…he wrote an article in the Daily News thanking the fans and city that embraced him
Of course to you, its probably Dickey being selfish and calling attention to himself
:-/
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/pens-bittersweet-farewell-mets-article-1.1225987
A little over a year ago I was knocking around book titles with my publisher when we finally found a keeper. The minute I heard the words, “Wherever I Wind Up,” I liked the cadence of them. I liked the mystery of them.
Most of all, I liked the way they captured the essence of my nomadic pitching life — which has now taken another completely unforeseen turn.
I never expected to be writing a farewell “holiday card” to Mets fans. I never expected to be doing anything but celebrating the joy of the season with my wife and kids and looking toward the spring, and the start of my fourth season with an organization that gave me maybe the greatest gift an athlete can get:
A chance.
A chance for a fresh start. A chance to prove that maybe I could be somebody on a big league mound, an authentic and trustworthy pitcher, not just a retread with a weird name and an even weirder pitch — a man who was so in need of financial stability that he had to get talked out of taking a guaranteed contract to go pitch in Korea.
The Mets gave me that chance almost exactly three years ago, and I will always be grateful to them for that. Only God could’ve written the narrative that has played out in the three years since. That is what I want to focus on, and what I want to hold in my heart.
I am not going to lie to you, though. The trade was hard for me at first. This is where my heart was, where I wanted to be, where I lived out a story of redemption and felt that every one of you shared it with me in some form or fashion. I loved pitching for you. I loved your passion, the way you embraced me from the start, and the way you seemed to appreciate the effort I was putting forth. Every time I’d walk off the mound after an outing, I’d look in your faces, the people behind the dugout, and felt as if all your energy and support was pouring right into me — even when I was lousy. It gives me chill bumps thinking about it even now.
Every organization has to do what it feels is in its best interest, and I have no doubt that that’s what the Mets did by trading Josh Thole, Mike Nickeas and me for two young players who, by all accounts, are terrific prospects. It doesn’t make saying goodbye any easier.
From the beginning of last season to the end — when you cheered with all you had that Thursday afternoon when I won my 20th game — I felt that this was a shared journey, that we were all in it together. What a great way for an athlete to feel.
There were so many special relationships I formed that made my time with the Mets so much richer. Not just in the clubhouse, either. I enjoyed talking with Bill Deacon, the head groundskeeper, about his craft, and all that went into it. The security people who helped my wife and kids get in and out of the family lounge, the policemen who helped me get out of the parking lot, the folks at the Hodges Gate — so many people went out of their way to be kind to me, and they should know how much it was, and is, appreciated.
I was going to take out an advertisement to express these thank yous, but decided in the end that there was too much I wanted to say. So I am writing this instead.
As I move beyond the sadness over leaving here, I know I have a tremendous amount to look forward to. The Blue Jays may need name tags on the first day of spring training, but once we get acquainted, well, this team could be something. I appreciate the welcome I’ve already gotten from them, and what they’re trying to build. We’ll see how it all unfolds.
God has blessed me in so many ways. His grace and mercy are at the center of my life. I may not pitch for the home team anymore (a friend told me I now have to start calling myself a Canuckleball pitcher ) but wherever I go from here — wherever I might wind up in the future — I hope you know that I will never forget my three years in New York, and never be able to adequately thank you for everything you’ve given me.
Yeah, THIS^^^
He did not say he’s happy he is no longer a Met, he just said he is happy they did not meet his contract demands. I mean it’s no different than any of us with whom we are employed, you want to know and be assured that you are valued and appreciated by your employer. If we could move about as easily as players in sports do, I’m sure you would go where your thought you could be most comfortable. Remember he was traded, he did not bolt as a FA or demand to be trade, this was strictly a F.O. move.
Wow, we are like the biggest jokes in MLB after the Marlins.
If the marlins trade stanton to texas for profur, olt, perez…and leap frog the mets for 4th place…and contend with philly for 3rd..
the 2011 off-season will be a distant memory
Oh God. This news is going to break MMO tomorrow.
Read this earlier. What do you expect him to say? It really sucks being here and I hate Canadian bacon?
How old is that GM he looks so young.
That’s Alex Anthopoulos, He’s 35.
Thanks. He really is young and he’s been there a few years.
Yeah. He took over for Riccardi. He was Asst. GM under him and sort of his pupil.
Dickey now happy the Mets didn’t meet his demands and now happy to be in Toronto.
Um…can anyone blame him?
‘Anthopoulos, having a busy offseason, agreed to a $30 million, three-year contract with the 38-year-old knuckleballer after being given a 72 hour window to work out a contract as part of the trade.’
So if I’m understanding this right, Toronto is paying Dickey only 4.75 million more than the Mets final offer? If yes, big words there by AA on the Mets disrespecting Dickey when he didn’t offer him much more than the Mets did.
No your not understanding it right SRT…
We were not even offerring 25Mil.
It’s more like 10 Mil more as we were only oferring 20 Mil for the two year extention on top of the 5 he already had.
Hey Metsie,
I think the $30 million over 3 years replaces his option. So it’s a 2-year, $25 million extension on top of the $5 he is making this year.
When you combine it, it’s 3/30.
This was my understanding as well.
Toronto is paying him 30 Mil for 3 years.
Mets highest offer was 25.5 Mil for 3 years.
Difference of only 4.75 Mil…correct?
Yeah, that’s my understanding. Dickey was supposedly looking for like 2/26 on top of the $5.25 he was making for next year, so that seemed to be the hold up.
But your calculations are right.
Mets combined was $25.25 MM / 3 while the Jays gave him $30 MM / 3.
Personally, I think this proves that the Mets planned to move him from day 1, especially with the news that the original offer was 2/14.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8759190/new-toronto-blue-jay-ra-dickey-says-former-team-new-york-mets-capped-offer-2-years-20m
nope..
offer capped at 2/20
#disrepectful
They never really got to 25 Mil offer on Dickey….
Dickey asked for 26 Mil originally when they were offerring thier 14….
They upped thier offer to 20 TOTAL not 20 on top of the 5Mil he already had….
So thier offer was really 15 Mil for the two years of Extention plus the 5 he already had…
His deal with Toronto is 20 Mil for the extra two years plus a bump up to 10 Mil this year.
He was only going to get 5Mil in 2013 (the option), 7.5 Mil in 2014 and 2015 with the Mets offer. Thats a 5 mil dif the first year alone and 2.5 mil per year for the two extention years. (total 5 Mil over the two extention years)
So he got 10 mil more from Toronto when all was said and done.
Metsie,
They did. “As the Daily News has been reporting, Dickey has been asking for a two-year extension for approximately $26 million, totaling $31 million over three years. The Mets now are closer to a three-year deal worth $25 million total.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-throw-curve-knuckler-2-year-20m-extension-offer-article-1.1217382#ixzz2HT3uElHg
This was an extension ON TOP of the $5 MM he was making.
So SRT and I are correct.
It says closer to but it doesn’t say they were there yet….
If they HAD made that offer Dickey would have not held up the extention for a measly million….
They were not close the Mets Sources said they were but they were not…
the 25 Mil number they were talking about included the option not on top of it…
Metsie,
Here’s your proof. You made me look for it, though.
“A day after reigning National League Cy Young Award winner R.A. Dickey officially became a member of the Toronto Blue Jays, the knuckleballer confirmed the New York Mets’ final pre-trade extension offer was for two years, $20 million on top of the $5 million owed for 2013.”
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8759190/new-toronto-blue-jay-ra-dickey-says-former-team-new-york-mets-capped-offer-2-years-20m
“The Mets first offer to him was only for $14 million over two years according to the report. The Mets later increased their offer to $20 million over two years and that’s where it ended.”
That’s some serious low balling… Wow, $14 over 2 years after the 3 seasons he provided? That’s cold. I don’t know if that’s ignorant or just plain cold negotiations.
On a serious note… I’m coming to terms with the Dickey trade. If Syndergaard and D’Arnaud work out, it will end up being a good trade. It’s just hard to come to terms with another losing season staring us right in the face…
Still wishing RA the best in all his future endeavors. And for anyone questioning RA’s character, I suggest you fact check. He’s a great individual. He’s basically just saying what he’s expected to say at a press conference with exposure to his new fan base for the first time.
‘That’s some serious low balling… Wow, $14 over 2 years after the 3 seasons he provided? That’s cold. I don’t know if that’s ignorant or just plain cold negotiations.’
Agree. Kind of figured it was some low ball offer going into Dec – otherwise Dickey probably would have been signed by the winter meetings. I can only assume it was designed to pretty much make sure he wouldn’t take that offer so they could shop him during the winter meetings.
It’s a cold business indeed.
20 mil for 2 years ?
LMAO the Mets will be paying a declining DavidDimples 20 mil per year for 5 years straight !
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August 2012
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/53106/alderson-explains-trade-deadline-inaction
I thought we would talk on this call about the fact that we didn’t add anything. And now we’re talking about why we didn’t subtract, which is interesting to me. As I said, we’re about changing impressions, changing perceptions.
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JUN 17, 2008
Ducksnorts: That makes sense… One thing that [I imagine] would be difficult in your position is how do you balance the need to exercise fiscal responsibility with the simultaneous need to appease fans that aren’t really interested in the bottom line? If you explain to them what you’re doing, they don’t really care, because they just want to know how it affects the on-field product, or the price of beer, or whatever. Their concerns are different from your concerns. What are some of the challenges in marrying those two?
Alderson: What we really have to do is create confidence in the organization. People have to have confidence in what we’re doing — if we don’t sign a free agent, they give us the benefit of the doubt; if we do sign a free agent, they give us the benefit of the doubt. Until the last couple of months, I think we were on the road toward instilling that kind of confidence.
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Sandy Alderson COO/GM/Car Salesman
Still less than what we are paying a declining Dave Dimples…………..
THANK GOD – now I can start my day because until I saw Wright’s name brought up, life just could not move on.
Funny how his detractors are the only ones that bring up his dimples, oh and his 2nd half play wasn’t as good as his first half.
Forget the fact that he is 8 years younger than Dickey when the contract starts, has 6 AS appearances behind him.
Dickey was wonderful, and brought 20 great games to Mets fans last year, and I’ll be ever grateful However, he’s been a good pitcher for THREE years, count them THREE. So, not paying a 38 year old a big contract, and comparing it to Dimples is not even on the sample planet.
Over on MLBTR:
‘One of the leading reasons the Blue Jays acquired catcher Josh Thole along with Dickey was because he has experience catching the knuckleballer. “The thought is that Josh has had so much success with [Dickey], why break that up,” the GM said.’
To which, someone in the comment section posted:
‘Alright, now we know AA has never watched a Mets game…’
I literally laughed right out loud.
I’d bet on it.
The original workings out of the trade were that the Jays were getting a prospect along with Thole and Dickey…
Who in their right mind would call Mike Nickeas a prospect? LOL.
LOL, no one, not by any stretch of the imagination.
AA was right that Dickey was treated w/o proper respect. Dickey was treated with disrespect and bad mouthed after all he did for the Mets. However it was wrong of AA to say so introducing Dickey to the Toronto, media. AA forgets he has superstars on his team and the pressure is to win NOW. When his superstars during their respective negotiations with him are perceived to be low balled the bad karma will comeback to bite AA. In effect both GM’s are wrong one at the beginning of the Dickey saga and one at the end. As for Dickey when disrespected to the degree he was especially throughout his life its hard to remain silent at your crowning achievement of winning the CY Young Award. When he sees DW get his contract after a horrendous 2nd half and in fact give blessing to SA’s master plan when Dickey said they are an entry the betrayal is noticed. Yes the deal ultimately was good for both sides at least on paper anyways.
“When he sees DW get his contract after a horrendous 2nd half and in fact give blessing to SA’s master plan when Dickey said they are an entry the betrayal is noticed.”
I wonder if DW wishes he can switch places with Reyes or Dickey…
its going to be awkward seeing Dickey pitch against us potentially in the ASG
I’ll be honest here and say …
Since the Blue Jays don’t play in our division….
Since they really can’t hurt us by thier winning games…
And since we have decided to punt on 2013 anyway….
I will be rooting for the Blue Jays (I was tempted to use initials till I read it) to win it all provided it does not hurt the Mets chances of winning games and getting into the playoffs.
Just to shut a lot of people up who proclaim such great work of a GM who has cost himself points in the WIn column, made ONE, Maybe two good trades in three offseasons, offset by one HORRIBLE trade and three offseason of garbage picking, Tire Kicking and Hand sitting!
I don’t really care that Sandy is doing such a poor job it’s his problem that will get him fired not me…
But I AM kind of sick of people jumping for joy when this guy waves his hand or takes a breath and tries to call it sliced bread….
Not you Hotstreak…You simply want to give him time. you call it time and I call it rope….
I’m just tired of the cheerleaders telling me just how great things are going to be once the GM figures out how to stop losing MORE games than last year.
Metsie you and Joey D made me see that rebuilding and being competitive can be done together in effect the Braves have the blueprint. This year his time will be up IF either one of these things happens:
1. The Mets do not win 70 games.
2. The stud prospects he obtained bomb out.
3. Both Reyes and Dickey lead the Blue Jays to be in the WS
HOTSTREAK, um…. Those 3 things you mention may very well happen. 2 of them is very likely, and one of them is very, very likely to happen, you can pick either one. He better pray Wheeler doesn’t become paul wilson.
I agree with #1 and #2 – but not with #3.
The Jays might very well get to the WS – that was the idea of them going ‘all in’ this year after years of hording prospects. Blue Jays are in a different situation than the Mets are this year.
As much as I’m still bummed we traded Dickey, keeping him this year probably wasn’t getting us to the WS. Didn’t even get us to 80 wins last season, even though he won 20 games.
srt:
First I was against resigning Reyes as his legs were suspect for long term, That has to be disclosed. However, Reyes should have been traded if no intention to resign him..
Second at first I was for extending Dickey but I changed my mind if the right deal came along which I feel it did.
However the naysayers to SA will have legitimate proof that letting a batting champion and CY winner go and be together (as they would have on the Mets) enabled another team to get in the WS. Toronto had injuries last year but had a worse record than we did.
“Blue Jays are in a different situation than the Mets are this year.”
SRT you DO realize that we won a game more than they did last year right?
As for hoarding Kids well I challenge you to name THEIR Young core they are building around. It seems to me all those kids they hoarded were traded to get all the players they got this year.
Only two players on their starting lineup last year were 25 or younger…
Lawrie and Rasmus…And Rasmus had a worse season than Davis did….
So I can’t see how anyone can suggest they were READY to do what they did more than we are or were in any different situation compared to us.
They sure are in a different position than us now though aren’t they?
What does last year have to do with this year?
Blue Jays had a boatload of prospects they’ve been hoarding. They took a look at the AL east and decided to cash them in, going all in this year, adding to some nice talent they already had on the ML club.
Mets are far from that same situation. We don’t have the overabundance of chips to trade that Toronto did. Plus, there’s very little operating money. Let’s throw in there no OF to speak of either.
We could have kept Dickey – which would have been fine with me – but even if he won another 20 games not sure it would have been enough.
All the ones we have been hoarding are all in our starting lineup with the exception of Wheeler and d’Arnaud….
Do I need to type out the list for you folks again of ALL the kids we have here that can constitute core yet we are still sitting on our hands saying we are NOT READY while a team who lost more games is going for it and not USING any of these kids you say they hoarded as they did the opposite as us, traded them all away for known performers and now everyone thinks they have a chance to win something?
What happened to the excuse it would take YEARS of rebuilding to turn around a team that was better than the team who you now think WAS READY to go for it? And may have put themselves in a playoff in a single offseason?
With Two players we let go for pretty much nothing but d’Arnaud and some guy who might be good 4 years from now…
Player we supposedly got rid of to get those kids you say is important to have hoarded to get later!
I think you missed my point.
At no time in the past 2 years was our bottom feeder farm system anywhere near as good as the Jays system was this off season. Coupled with that the financial problems of the Mets.
Even if we had a good, young core we had very little means to add to it.
I’m not sure we have that young core yet. Hopefully, that becomes much clearer this season.
And you miss my point that says…
The ONLY reason why that is true is because we promoted our kids to the MLB instead of trading them away the way the Blue Jay eventually did….
Name thier Ike Davis….
Name thier John Niese…
Name thier Reuben Tejada…
Name their Matt Harvey….
Name thier Dillon Gee…
Name thier Danial Murphy…
We just GOT thier Wilmer Flores in d’Arnaud
You think Snydergaard is as good as Harvey? No one else thinks so!
And in the end what did Toronto conclude?
Those kids were not WORTH having as much as guys we let get away in the name of getting kids we deemed was important ONLY because we promoted all the kids we had.
I dont agree…
his mission is totally dependent on the financial/legal aspects of this club…
it almost feels like he is getting them ready to be sold.
If he is canned…its not b/c his moves have not worked….its b/c Bud feels his work is now done
Just-Da-Damaja:
The capital gains tax just has been increased for the Wilpons tax bracket: Yes they are in the one percent or at least the two percent. They will have huge capital gains getting one billion for the sale of the Mets. If the Wilpons did not sell already, they are unfortunately long term owners,
Hey Hotstreak,
Thanks so much for the acknowledgement.
That’s why many of us questioned how much it was a vision of rebuilding due to the measures that has to distinguish a re-building plan from just stocking up on prospects to just field future teams of as many young and inexpensive players as possible hoping that something might click.
We also have to face the sad fact that baseball is indeed big business and has to be run that way – and that maximum profitability isn’t dependent upon having a good team or a bad one.
The bottomline is that EVERY offseason has value that will not be available every year, That doesn’t just mean All Star Future Hall Impact players but those Average to above average/Competent players as well.
Where would the 86ers be without guys like Knight and Mitchel? Even Ojeda is an example of a guy who no one thought was ever going to be Hall or Ace yet he was that steady complementary rotation guy whose stuff and pitching style worked quite well with the young fireball pitchers we had around them. Good Luck trying to get your timing at the plate after seeing Gooden and Darling and then facing a guy whose fastest pitch was slower than thier slowest pitch only to face Sid Fernandez the very next day!
It doesn’t matter what your building (Team, House, Car) you don’t sit on your hands, wait until you have ALL the parts you think you will need and then start the build. For one better parts come available that would be better, Two there is no place to stash all the parts without them deteriorating and three at somepoint during the build you will discover things you needed you didn’t know you needed and might not be available by the time you figure that out stopping and stunting the entire proccess.
But some here just seem happy to wait thinking that at some point something magical will happen and team will miraculously appear in Las Vegas that will go onto to win for a decade…
And it’s never happened yet.
People want to think the Marlins is the smart way to go really didn’t pay attention to how futile and short lived thier reign was….
You should never put off till tomorrow what you can do today and if your waiting until your READY as some suggest by the time your ready it’s too late and you miss the opportunity.
As I pointed out to SRT we won one more game than the Blue Jays did last season…
NOW look at them….Maybe it works for them maybe it doesnt but one thing you can’t accuse them of is NOT TRYING….
Which is pretty much what Dickey said..IFwe don’t win it sure won’t be because of the GM….
Can’t say that here can we?
‘ Dickey was treated with disrespect and bad mouthed after all he did for the Mets.’
No argument from me on this. Unfortunately, the Mets have a long standing reputation of some bad PR, going back to Seaver and M. Donald Grant and the Dick Young days. We know that PR staff has changed many times since then but they still manage to do some incredibly dumb things.
Remember the month Citi Field opened and Doc Gooden signed the wall? Jay Horowitz went after him for defacing a brand new stadium and it was all over the net and air waves. They had to back peddle on that one big time. They cut out his signature, designated a different area for it and ‘invited’ other past Met figures to sign as well.
Dummies…..
SRT, I will ask you though, who are you blaming this on? the wilpons as well? Or finally you’re gonna see the light and see the guy running the show is SA and his arrogant ways is rubbing people off!!!
With the information we’ve been told so far – what has been made public – it goes back to the Wilpons. Any quotes about Dickey being ‘too chatty’, about his comments to the questions asked him at the Xmas party, went back to Jeff Wilpon. I never read any article either quoting or pointing back to the FO.
But let’s be clear…the FO works for the Wilpons. The only thing I can find on anywhere on the FO was two articles stating that SA would have preferred to extend RA and trade Wright. Since they did the exact opposite, you have to ask yourself….was it b/c SA takes his orders from the Wilpons who have the final word? Or was it b/c (in Dickey’s case), Toronto presented a deal they decided would be foolish to turn down?
I believe their first offer to RA was low by design, knowing he wouldn’t take it and given them the opportunity to go into the winter meetings to aggressively shop him. Sounds like they were leaning towards trading him all along. If they really wanted to keep him, they would have seriously worked towards that same time they were dealing with Wright and his contract.
Well there was that whole Ike Davis debacle….
The Reyes negotiations and that box of chocolates…
Lets not pretend that what Jeffy is saying is really any worse than stuff we KNOW Sandy or someone under him has said about our players.
Well, I said it somewhere else earlier but the Mets PR has generally always been piss poor.
Truth is SRT it’s not their PR that suffers or is any worse than anywhere else….
It’s the fact they are in NYC where there is a lot more than just LOCAL media to contend with but all the major National outlets are based as well….
We remember the bernazards and phillips events but when push comes to shove those PALE in comparison to things that went on in the Bronx and Tampa don’t they?
It doesn’t happen in Atlanta and places like St Louis merely because there is only one team and if you trash them in your role as a baseball writer/reporter you really have to move to work again….Because those teams are the ONLYgame in town.
Smart GMs will know how to manage that situation…You don’t see these types of stories in LA where they have as much media as we do (lesser news but still plenty of media).
It takes a pretty sophisticated person to navigate the NY (or any major) Media market….
Sandy really has no experience in that at all….
And it’s going to hurt him eventually because at some point the Media will not care about access to him they will be too busy trashing him because thats the story that will sell!
He had better get a big improvement in the WIn column or Sandy will be on borrowed time…
He will either have to start making deals he probably doesn’t WANT to make (like Omar did with Bay), promote some kid who shouldn’t all in a last ditch effort to win people back….
And if he gets the boot next offseason he will be judged by what he has said was his goal….
How well he rebuilt the Minors….
And since d’Arnaud and Wheeler will both be MLB players by then they will look and see nothing but Nimmo and whoever he gets this year….
And determine it a failure because Sandy was stupid enough to use the Minors as the excuse for not trying.
‘Truth is SRT it’s not their PR that suffers or is any worse than anywhere else….
It’s the fact they are in NYC where there is a lot more than just LOCAL media to contend with but all the major National outlets are based as well….’
No argument from me on this. All the more reason to not look like dummies……
Alex, all GMs are probably a bit arrogant. AA is no different. According to all the articles I read on the Blue Jays blogs, he was pissed off to no end that the Mets ‘leaked’ details of the trade going down before it was final. That’s not how he does business. I’m sure it was done purposely by the Mets FO to get him to move towards giving up those prospects before some other team could come in and top the offer. I’m also sure this kind of thing is done all the time.
AA’s comments taking a dig at the Mets FO publicly were probably his parting shot at them. In that same interview, he stated they might be extended some of their players contracts and quote:
And don’t expect much advance warning. “If we’re talking extensions [the media] will be the last to know if I have any say in it,” Anthopoulos said.
Putting 2 and 2 together, just smacks of AA wearing his emotions on his sleeve to a point – and probably still a bit pissed off that the Dickey trade went down a bit out of his comfort zone on how he likes to conduct his business.
SRT “all GMs are probably a bit arrogant. ”
nope…sorry…but no one ever said that about minaya…
this idea that they are probbaly a bit arrogant came when Sandy started opening his mouth
Most GMs (or Baseball people in general) are quite arrogant.
It was why Minaya was so unusual in terms of being a very friendly and non-arrogant person at all. He didn´t “Big League” anyone and took everyone serious from the least important scout or stadium usher to players, coaches and other executives.
It doesn´t make him a great GM – which he certainly wasn´t – but a very likeable person.
SRT, this just proves what i’ve been saying all along, you’re nothing but a sandy follower who somehow will make up some sort of excuse for the man regardless, now all of the sudden all GM’s are arrogant right? I mean, how can you say that? You don’t see nor have i seen any GM taking shots at alderson up until now. and mind you, it’s not only GM’s, but players are taking notice on how arrogant this man is! He even managed to take a swipe at NY fans for not voting DW to the ASG, the man is an Ahole and it’s just amazing how you continue to defend him at all cost, you’re nothing but a follower of his who will look for any excuse to not make him the culprit or blame him for the disaster, it’s always the wilpons or soemone else…You’ve proven me right.
Wrong again.
I repeat – Just shooting the messenger.
Right, i figure you would say this as well, you’re nothing but a sandy apologist. this somehow relates to the wilpons too, as if it was them who were negotiating with sandy right? It was them who also said i should’ve send him a box of chocolate right?? You are something else
I have yet to read any compelling argument made by anyone across any site that has changed my mind regarding ownership and the FO. Still believe if not for the Wilpons having one foot in bankruptcy court with the Mets, SA would not be the current GM.
If you’re waiting for the satisfaction of seeing me change my mind, you might be waiting for a long time…..
That mostly because you really don’t want to change your mind and as evidence you keep insisting the Wilpons have a foot in bankruptcy when you know full well that isn’t true at all!
You have even admitted they are flush with cash, not broke and have plenty of money….
You only run to this Bankruptcy excuse because it allows you to hold onto your Wilpon hate which seems to be more important to you than the fact the Mets are not trying to put together a competitive team.
Despite the 25 Mil the WIlpons Gave Sandy to get one and he has yet to spend a penny of.
Still believe if not for the Wilpons having one foot in bankruptcy court with the Mets, SA would not be the current GM”
Right, and most of us have agreed with that, problem is that no matter what sandy does you always wanna blame the wilpons, guess what, if things go well and sandy does something right, he’s a stoic genius, if he does something wrong blame the wilpons, if one of us say he’s an arrogant d*** then you’d say wellm if it wasn’t for the wilpons he wouldn’t be here, wellm he IS here, he’s the GM of the mets and he’s an arrogant as*****, but somehow you love wit?? You’re all over the place in your lame attempt to defend your lord, keep apologizing and making excuses for him, seems your secret club of I <3 Sandy keeps adding supporters with all these kids coming in to the blog and loving those advance stats… SMH
All over the place? You, yourself just commented I’m always blaming the Wilpons. So how, exactly, is that ‘all over the place’?
I believe SA’s main goal was to field a ML team while slashing payroll, thereby aiding the Wilpons in holding on to the team. Mission accomplished.
Just agree to disagree on this, Alex. I’m sure most of the regulars here are tired of seeing this same difference of opinion played out almost daily between us.
I believe SA’s main goal was to field a ML team while slashing payroll, thereby aiding the Wilpons in holding on to the team. Mission accomplished.
- any monkey can do that. you have low standards if ur happy with Sandy’s work
Again, why is it that when sandy does something good, you go drooling for it, praise the man and seem awfully excited, yet ,whenever things don’t go his way, you right away point the finger to the wilpons? it’s one thing to blame the wilpons i get that, but it’s a completely different thing to go goo goo gaga over alderson whenever he does a good thing, you’ve got to be more consitant than that. All we said is that the man is an arrogant ahole, yet you think he’s witty… You are nothing but a sandy apologist who will look to make him look good no matter what.. Keep up the good work SRT.
‘go goo goo gaga’ ? Okay, Alex……
Xtreem
I agree with nearly all your points. What is Dickey supposed to say? “The only reason I came here is because I got traded but I really don’t want to be here!” About AA, he had to come out guns a blazing, nearly all the baseball insider community has commented on how he got fleeced by the Mets.
Disrespectful as**ole, i am not surprised one bit other teams personal and players are taking notice and firing back, after trying to mock and make fun of the nationals and taking arrogant shots at reyes he’s now seeing how the other side works too. The man is a loser and has no idea how to handle baseball operations any longer, he still thinks player making $8 million dollars is too much, we are in for a very rude awakening this season, players had no faith towards the second half when SA quit on them, why on earth would they come out fighting and playing hard for him when they know that even if they’re good he won’t help them out to continue to succeed? No matter how good Ike plays, we have no offense, the SP will be fine, but with nobody worth mentioning in the bullpen how will we be able to close games out?
Ohh, and BTW, the mets offered 2/14 to dickey, which could’ve made him make just a shade amount of dollars more than FFF go figure his business stragedy and mentality. And to those here defending him at no end, please stop, you guys are making a fool of yourselves.
So when Alderson takes a swipe at a GM – BAD and HE is Disrespectful
When another GM takes a swipe at Mets GM – GOOD
So professionalism in front office must be the way to go, unless of course it’s towards your team’s gm because you don’t like what he’s doing.
Sandy has been talking shit about other GM’s and players contracts BY NAME for YEARS…dating back to when he was in Oakland.
That is grossly unprofessional ( and refreshingly honest )
Sandy has put his foot in his mouth at least a dozen times in 3 years here…
But he speaks English so well, it doesnt matter what he says, so long as the words have more than 4 syllables in them, u remain impressed
You remain short sided, assuming and basically ignorant the English comments, carry on.
have i said anything wrong ?
was Sandy not disrespectful to Washington talking about Jayson Werth…a player with absolutely no connection with NY?
sorry chump…but ur boy has been talking shit about other people for eons…
It’s shortsighted, not short sided.
well ask any eye doctor…
He will confirm it’s better to be short sighted than it is to be BLIND….
Those who still support Sandy either are incapable of seeing what he has done or simply refuse to look which is worse….
Yeah well maybe if Sandy kept hismouth shut the rest o the GM’s in the league wouldn’t feel so obligated to comment back on him….
I don’t see how you can expect other GMs to treat Sandy any differently than he treats them….
Perhaps thats the reason why we have not been getting decent offers for the guys Sandy tries to trade…Because he has pissed off so many GMs with his rediculous requests, constant questioning of contracts they signed that have nothing to do with him has pretty much made them ignore his calls or pick up give him a quick no and then never bother to try to work out a decent deal.
What a pathetic GM….what kind of GM trades a CY winner for prospects? Does it make sense for a GM to not spend the owners money when it is available? How can any one ignore the FA market while focusing on the minor leagues? What kind of GM concentrates efforts of hoarding picks when everyone knows prospects are nothing but a roll of the dice?
I am stunned at all those on here who hate Sandy praising AA because this is EXACTLY what he did. Every critique that is launched against Alderson also applies to AA. But, for some reason, these fans want to laud AA for the moves he made. He was only able to make those moves because he spent 3 or 4 years acquiring talent to trade. And before anyone gives the bogus big market team, Rogers has more money than the Wilpon ever dreamed up.
Thank you for showing through your praise of the Jays and AA that you are either total hypocrites or do not understand baseball.
I am sure you can find Aldersons email address on the Mets website so that you can write him a heartfelt apology for slandering him publicly for following a model that you do indeed agree with and that you now see the wisdom in this plan by looking at what AA did.
‘What kind of GM concentrates efforts of hoarding picks when everyone knows prospects are nothing but a roll of the dice?’
The kind of GM that AA is. Hoarding those prospects for the past several years is what afforded him the opportunity to trade for Reyes and Buehrle and Johnson and Bonificio and Dickey and go all in this upcoming season.
Isn’t this the same guy that signed Vernon wells?
No that would be Ricciardi. AA had to come in and clean up the FA spending mess that JP created.
AA also rebuilt the minor league system that riccardi left in shambles
It is what happens when teams go wild spending on FAs. When the resources go to one place, the other is overlooked. AA came in, not only didnt sign big money FAs, but also let his walk and receive picks back. Look at the number of 1st round picks the Jays had in the last 3 years (14). It is no wonder they had some trade chips to play with.
bullshit
the yankees were spending like mad men in the 90′s and still investing the draft.
Unless you think they were able to get Austin Jackson, Montero, Ian Kennedy, Gary Sanchez, Robinson Cano, Brett Gardner in another way…
the red sox were spending like mad men and still investing in the draft….thats why they were able to replace youkliss with that kid in 3B…this is why they were able to have Dustin P at 2B,
its not always one or the other…
u can do both extremes…u can go moderate in BOTH directions
we are going extreme in ONE direction and moderate in the other
Spending like admen in the 90s and investing in the draft and then you mention guys from the 2000s.
What kind of logic is that?
Leaving that aside, you dismiss the facts of what happened in the 90s with the Yankees. They spent money, true, but they were guys who mostly were acquired via trade. They didnt grab guys in FA who cost them picks (or a ton of money either). Sure they signed a few guys like Boggs but more were of the Paul O’Neill variety. Hell, even Arod in later years was a trade and not a FA signing.
One other point overlooked about those teams: they had 5 homegrown AS (Williams, Jeter, Posada, Rivera, and Petite) which anchored those teams. And the team salaries really didnt explode to astronomical levels until those guys signed long term escalating extensions. But the very late 80s and early 90s didnt see huge money spent on the big league club acquiring FAs. Gene Michael saw to that.
im sorry…did the yankees slow down their spending in the next decade ?
nope. point still stands.
That was one of the things we were mentioning with the Mets strategy. Too often they were spending big money on guys like Wagner, Alou and Elduque whom they were too terrified to offer arbitration to because they might accept where as the Yankees would not only sign guys that cost them picks but would get tons of compensation picks back to make up for the ones lost.
u mean like carl pavano…jared wright….kei igawa….nick johnson….randy johnson….
Ok Task you think thats wthey did….
Name the young names that constitute the Toronto Core please….
Take all the time you need because we all know it will take a few years for them to aquire them before you can list them….
Kay
What your blind faith in this spawn of satan known as Sandy Alderson has clearly failed to recognize is that there is absolutely no room for common sense and any semblance of it will not be tolerated.
The the fact that the beast traded away our savior for superfluous pieces that play positions that we are clearly STACKED at will never make sense to me but the fact that we just GAVE AWAY a VITAL COG in Thole and a HOT PROSPECT in Nickeas is 100% unforgivable!
Compound all of these missteps with the signing of Demon Seed Dave, Btw how could anyone justify signing this absolute stiff. Clearly all those All Star appearances were flukes. It’s also well known throughout the baseball community that everyone of his franchise all-time leading stats are a product of the Wilpon’s paying off the opponent to allow it to happen. Rumor has it they were about to buy him the MVP when the whole Madoff thing hit.
Someone please tell me why get rid of young live armed team controlled stud like RA and sign this pos Wright in a year when perennial studs like Eric Chavez are available.
Ball’s in your court Kay!!!
Oh Sloatsburg
I don’t know what has come over me, being a fan since 1969 I’m very new to this whole process and the good book says I must follow to a T everything that I’m told. Not to mention, it’s very easy to figure out everything I’m thinking from the posts I make here. Easily interpreted as in for all or nothing. Yes, that’s what I’m saying.
One day I’ll get this game figured out, maybe you can write up a tutorial on the in and outs of when I’m suppose to hate, and love, and support and dismiss. I’m suppose to like the player with the biggest dimples right? Is that a start at least?
Until then, I bow to the genius prowess of those other experts here on MMO.
PS – lived in Peekskill and worked in Monroe for a while (years ago), I know where Sloatsburg is, be afraid
Game over…………….until April 1
You should bow! Not sure about the figuring it out part, I have my doubts.
I am afraid, but why do you say?
Kay are you a published gun owner?
“Someone please tell me why get rid of young live armed team controlled stud like RA and sign this pos Wright in a year when perennial studs like Eric Chavez are available.”
Actually..you had options like:
a good 1 year stop gap in Kevin Youkliss…
trading Wright for a package that gives you the ability to go after Stanton with the return
trading Wright for a package that includes a top SS prospect, moving Tejada over to 2b/Murphy to 3B
trading Wright for a package that includes a top 2B prospect, moving Murphy to 3B
Just
Youkaliss?
Now I know why you’re such an Omar fan. You own stock in Geritol or something.
All you’re other examples a silly assumptions that a. Other teams would give that up, b. that Wright would sign
Completely forgetting Wright’s contract issue if traded and that you’re weakening a position that we are good in for prospects. Oh I get it that’s terrible if it involves RA but a great idea if involves the much younger Wright. Yeah, you’ll make a great gm someday.
I never bashed the RA trade…I bashed the front office for the smear campaign.
and Youkliss is a 1 year STOP GAP…not a 8 year 138 mil contract.
we are not winning in 2013…i offered a respectable solution that wouldnt put us in financial trouble. Also a guy who is known to be a good clubhouse leader on a WS team.
and if Wright was good enough for the super sabermetric wizard to commit to for 8 years, Im sure he was going to have the league tripping over themselves to get a crack at having the best player in franchise history on their team !!!
i guess kevin pawlecki = chopped liver ?
Again and again, the Mets obviously knew what they were doing when they made him the low-ball offers and played it absolutely right.
The intention was to trade him if the package of high-end young talent was high enough to justify it.
Would it have been smarter to make RA a 2-year, 26 million $ extension offer on November 1st which he probably would have accepted ?
Not if your intention was to broaden the longterm talent base significantly and you weren´t convined RA was going to be as good in 2015.
I like RA Dickey a lot and he was a highlight during three rather bleak seasons. However, for the greater longterm good of the franchise he had to be sacrificed and I wish him all the best for the future and hope the Blue Jays win the 2013 World Series with him (considering it´s extremely unlikely the Mets will play much of a role in that regard in 2013).
Again, there was no other way for the front office to maximize his value other than dragging it out. You can rest assured that Toronto wouldn´t have offered D´Arnaud, Syndergaard and others in early November for him without all the circus and frequent updates surrounding him. This was an all business AND Baseball decision. Whether it´ll work for either side remains to be seen – but it makes a ton of sense for both and the Mets certainly sold very high here.
So, obviously Dickey is thrilled to be in this new situation and the Jays GM sure will point out that Dickey was low-balled (rightfully so – but for the “greater good”).
But the Mets – this time (unlike with Reyes for example) – played it absolutely right.
Well said – and probably as close to the truth as anything I’ve read yet.
Agreed.
Doobs,
Again you are dead on here. I am not sure why so much of the fan base doesn’t understand what this FO did with RA. I think it is mostly because folks have settled into thier opinions as will now see everything through that prism. SA was not going to negotiate with RA in earnest until he let his trade market peak, and timeline that he himself could not set. He couldn’t just tell RA to park the negotiations, as this could have jeopardized the maximum offer. Frankly, this was played perfectly. And, that is not from a Sandy-lover, since I don’t think he could have played the Jose situation any worse. He essentially had to take Toronto’s offer. I personally had hoped RA was extended, because he was fun to watch, root for, and pitching is 90% of the game, so I am disappointed to see him go. And, time will tell if this is a good trade or not based on the development of these young players as well as how RA’s career continues. Hopefully, it will be a win win, but I just think this notion of “disrespect” is a misrepresentation, even if that’s what RA felt. It was just good business and the team maximizing leverage, something extremely rare in the Mets’ world.
Why bother with the low-ball offer when you can…..be honest and tell him you are actively trying to trade him and if no partner comes up by February, you can work out a deal before the year starts….
making him a low-ball offer makes absolutely no sense.
What if he took it ?
What if he took it? Then you have a CY young pitcher signed on the cheap. Oh crap.
Which was never the original plan according to Sandy apologists..
why would u offer your plan B, before ur plan A?
who does that?
Sandy !!!!
Well count me out of the apologist then.
Things aren’t cut and dry. They never are. I think the Mets were fine with keeping Dickey if the value of his return didn’t outweigh the cost of his contract.
This.
so offer him a contract before you can guage the return?
Thats smart !!!
Sure, I don’t see an issue with that. You know the return won’t be great enough to exchange a deal like they proposed. Not only that, you also know that first deal didn’t include a no-trade clause.
best case scenario – the return shores up 3 different positions at 500K for 3 seasons and then a fraction in the 4th season…
sorry, but trading Dickey was the ONLY move for this club, keeping him ( and Wright ) would’ve made no sense.
Starting contract negotiations made no sense.
It made perfect sense to just not offer him anything….tell him that they are actively trying to trade him, and if no deal makes sense, they would offer him the 3 year / 30 mil deal…
that would involve actually being upfront and honest.
not exactly a lawyer’s best qualities
Wait, are you saying the $20 Mil offer wasnt a value or that Dickey wasnt worth that amount?
Huh?
I am saying neither.
I am saying that if Dickey had decided to sign the 2/20 deal without a NTC when it was offered the Mets would have jumped for joy because he would have been even MORE valuable.
Agreed, and excellent point. Alderson played this one perfectly because of that. I believe that at the beginning of the offseason, after it was clear that the would extend DW, they had intended on extending RA, but had the leverage against him since he was signed for 2013. RA had to weigh the lifetime security of extending 2 years vs. the risk he took personally of having a shot at that type of money should he falter in his age 28 season. Alderson observed the pitching market inflate dramatically based on signings of non-descript starters and the price tags on Grienke and Sanchez. At that time, he figured he would see what Dickey was worth while negotiating with him. In this way, he could maximize potential return if he took the public stance that they were retaining RA, and if RA took the low ball deal, they could still deal him, and his trade value would be even greater on a low deal without a no-trade. It is unfair to characterize someone as an Alderson apologist for giving him in this instance.
No we count you because what Dickey asked for was 10 Mil per year for 3 years and you show me a guy who can win 20 Games in a season who gets paid less than that without being ineligible to be a Free Agent….
And if Sandy agreed to the 25 Mi Dickey originally asked for…you STILL get a Cy Young Pitcher on the CHEAP!
SO I fail to see your point here….
SRT and KAY’s answers defending SA on the December 7, 2011 article: “Reyes Says Mets Didn’t Want Him, Alderson Says He Should Have Sent Chocolate”
SRT: I’ve got no problem with SA’s response. I actually LOL at it”
KAY: Sorry this guy made millions off the Mets, and then is upset they didn’t wine and dine him? Stop playing games. He’s lived in NY a long time now, what does he have to be shown?
Maybe we should take his advise, time to move on…….
You 2 talk about hypocrecy, but you are the biggest one, only when it applies to defending alderson then it’s fine right??
LOL….I still have no problem with his response. I love dry wit. Just because you don’t doesn’t mean my comment is somehow wrong…..
Sandy has made fun of the fact that the mets ( the team he works for ) has no OF.
Sorry chump, but i dont appreciate the GM of my club making fun of the fact that we have no OF…and does nothing to rectify the matter…
in an off-season with Upton, Hamilton, Bourne, Victorino, Ludwick, Ross, etc
had Omar been cracking jokes about Leiter on his way out, met fans would’ve had a riot…
but its Sandy with Reyes ( that ungrateful arrogant dude )…
so dry wit, wet wit, any wit is just fine by u !
You WILL have a problem with it whenever that point comes you think your ready to go get a big splash FA to go fr it and he declines to even talk to Sandy because he has a reputation with the players of being a pompous A$$ you don’t want to play for as he will disprespect you at the drop of a hat….
THEN you will not like the dry wit as much SRT…
So says you….
Again, IMO as I’ve said before….don’t think SA is going to be that GM here making those kind of deals. He’s a one and done type GM probably long gone by the time they’re looking to spend money again.
Do you know what hypocrisy means?
Psst – where in my replies to this thread did I defend SA – go ahead I’ll wait
Do you know what hypocrisy means?
Probably not he can’t even spell it.
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Fonzie13: “They resigned Chipper to a 6 year extension at around 34 yrs old ”
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/08/17/chipper_extension_ap/
Finally announcing a deal that had been rumored for weeks, NL MVP Chipper Jones and the Atlanta Braves agreed Thursday on a six-year contract said to be worth $90 million.
Jones, 28, had been eligible to become a free agent after this season.
No hypocrisy here…just you making up shit…but so long as you spell everything correctly its ok i guess !
And at 34 he signed for 6 years taking him to his age 40 season. Keep trying!
“Jones signed a six-year, $90 million deal in 2000.”
The Braves were NOT coming to the end of their division run…they were STILL in 1st place
LMAOOOO
This deal covered him from 2001-2007.
Following the 2005 season, Jones reworked his EXISTING contract with the Braves—freeing up money for the Braves to pursue elite free agents, while virtually assuring he will end his career in Atlanta.
And AGAIN, in 2005, the Braves were in FIRST PLACE
The revamped deal gave the Braves $15 million over the course of the next three years, as well as $6 million to use in 2006. Reworking the contract, also converted two final team option years to guaranteed contracts.
That is NOT signing a 6 year extension at age 36…especially when he was 33 in 2005
This means Chipper would’ve hit free-agency AGAIN in 2009…when he turned 36…
this is what Chipper did in 2009, at the age of 36
On March 31, 2009, Jones agreed to a three-year $42 million contract extension with the Braves;
3 year extension for 42 million is NOT a 6 year extension…
are u done with me whipping ur ass on this topic ?
u lied
get over it
Fonzie13 caught in another lie yet again…
smh
While Dickey was played perfectly, Reyes certainly was not.
Sure, there may be explainations – such as the 2012 budget shrinking during the 2nd half of 2011 with operating losses mounting, the Picard claim being filed and Reyes playing gingerly during the 2nd half and re-injuring the hamstring again. That may have given the front office 2nd thoughts about being able or even really wanting to re-sign Reyes at a market rate.
Still, settling for a couple of compensation draft picks in a somewhat thin draft class (compared to the availables in the previous two seasons) certainly wasn´t anywhere near the return Reyes should have netted.
So, even if Kevin Plawecki and / or Matt Reynolds end up becoming top prospects or good major leaguers, the “haul” for Reyes was well below what it should have been judged on what you´d expect to return.
Just like the return for Dickey in terms of getting back well over market value was excellent regardless of whether D´Arnaud, Syndergaard, Becerra or Buck really help.
Good god, of course the guy who traded two of the top players in his system is going to say that the guy they acquired was under-appreciated…
The media sure does love to make something out of nothing. What’s the guy supposed to say after trading away that much in a package for an elite pitcher? “Well they didn’t really want him, he’s a good pitcher so ….”?
As for Dickey’s comments themselves, I dont besmirch him one bit. He got paid like ALL athletes look to do. I applauded Wright for the intelligence in taking Wilpons $138M and I do the same for Dickey with Rogers money. He would have been a fool to turn it down.
Also, it does not surprise me that he is endearing himself to the Blue Jay fans. He is going to a potential winner, something he did not experience with the Mets. He had 3 good years in Flushing and gave the fans a lot to cheer about. But it was clear the franchise was going in a different direction. I hope Dickey backs his 2012 up with another 2013 CYA (which means he will whip up on the AL east which I wouldnt mind seeing).
I am sure Dickey is grateful to the Mets organization that they gave him a chance and set him up for life with the initial long term contract. However, the day the trade was official, he became an Ex-Met, hence the team is the same as 29 other mlb teams. Dickey is a Blue Jay and that is the only place he needs to show any loyalty.
Probably no different than Reyes publicly saying last year he doesn’t miss NY and is very happy to be a Marlin.
And if Reyes came out and said he was even happier to be a Blue Jay, I would have no problem with that. There is no loyalty in professional sports. It is a business and the players are commodities. A team needs to leverage that player for whatever it can whether it is on the field or off the field. At the same time, a player needs to leverage his skills into a healthy contract. Dickey, Wright, Reyes, and even Niese all got paid. Granted it was different amounts, and overpayment in some people’s eyes but the bottom line is they got their money. And that is what professional athletes do.
One other point, it is amazing to see fans besmirch guys like Castillo, Bay, and Perez for the money they received. Every single person who ever posted on this site would have done the same thing if in any of their positions…sign the damn contract. You can never fault a player for taking what a team offers him.
Dooby is right, they dragged it out because they were shopping him. If they didn’t get what they wanted I’m sure they’d have bumped their offer up into the 25 million range. For Dickey, the difference is negligible, he would have made a lot of money in NY selling books and other stuff.
Right, baseball isn’t white or black it’s right in the middle. I am sure if the offers stunk then Dickey would be a Met.
Maybe so, but it still shows that Alderson was lying through his teeth when he kept insisting he wasn’t being shopped. The guy is full of shit, period.
Part of being a GM or Mgr. almost inevitably means you have to lie to maximize the trade value of a player or cover up for an injury or heck, a personal problem of a player.
Say, your star player has severe family problems that limit his effectiveness but he wants to keep things private. Do you state this in the press to be honest – but lose trust with the player at the same time ? Of course not, you´ll make up some sort of lie to cover this up.
Just like openly shopping a player or stating you´re not going to offer an extension usually won´t help but rather hurt the value of a player in trade talks.
And just as well, you can´t really blame a GM for not saying “Due to financial restraints since our owners are trying to avoid losing the franchise and because this had to be done anyway eventually, we´re in the middle of a full rebuild. Don´t expect much in 2013 and don´t waste your money coming to the ballpark watching our 75-win team” and instead offer up some phony talk of “blah, blah, blah we´re not punting 2013 and looking to compete” after just trading the veteran ace pitcher in exchange for three high upside prospects, two of which won´t be anywhere near a major league ballpark for a couple of seasons and a middling veteran catcher.
Sure, Alderson´s lawyer talk is kind of strenous to listen too. He´s always basically stating he´s keeping every option open, blah blah. Still, looking what the Mets have done over the past 2+ years is pretty obvious. R-E-B-U-I-L-D.
Getting maximum value for Dickey & Beltran, coming up short with Reyes. Keeping all the young talent around and dumping most veterans while adding extra picks and getting the payroll back under full control. There´s no guarantee it´ll work and a long way to go. But the general direction is fine. And I don´t care about shortterm lipstick on a pig moves that rarely work anyway (Pagan trade, signing FF and Rauch, etc.).
The funny thing is, this article is written about the swipe the Blue Jay’s GM made at Alderson.
Did anyone hear the interview SA gave on the WFAN right after the deal was done? He could not have sang RA’s praises any higher.
Selective hearing, reading I guess.
What I think is funny is that many were in an uproar that Sandy took a swipe at Omar but now it’s all good when AA takes a swipe at Alderson.
Personally, I don’t really give a dang.
What I think is funny is that many were in an uproar that Sandy took a swipe at Omar but now it’s all good when AA takes a swipe at Alderson”
I went trough the entire article, go ahead and find me where the uproar was: http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/01/alderson-shoots-minaya-a-zinger.html#comments
First: I will find stuff from you when you finally find one single post from SRT or I praising Alderson or saying he is our lord.
Second: There is some, yet little I know, life beyond MMO.
Not for him TRS. Not to him
How about a few months ago when YOU, took a swipe at Dickey and said you didn’t want his loser mentality on this team after he made comments that he didn’t think it was fair that the Mets always play the Yankees so much in inter league play.
Remember that? I do
Gotta love being a fan of a NY team.
There’s so many covering the team – and they’re all wanting to be unique or the first to be breaking a story – that we have our pick of dozens of articles on the same subject to debate about.
Go to somewhere like Kansas City and you might find a max of 3 stories a day about the team.
Cy Young Award Winner R.A. Dickey pitches for the Toronto Blue Jays. Why are we discussing him on a Met fan site?
The same reason we discuss Tom Seaver, Mike Piazza and other Mets greats who were discarded. Go root for another team. Mets fans who shit on team history should have their fan member cards revoked. You are tops on that list with the crap you post here. You love Alderson, not the Mets.
No Reyes, No Strawberry, No Gooden, No Kevin Mitchell, No Hubie Brooks.
I am sure you do not like my comment and I agree it is presumptuous of me to play the race card, I not only agree it was presumptuous but is was intentional.
Why?
“Go root for another team. Mets fans who shit on team history should have their fan member cards revoked.”
Team history of course will be remembered but some fans root for the front of the uniform more than the back. When a former Met great is playing against us I root against him.
Please have respect for other people’s opinions.
Agree, I only root for the name on the back BECAUSE of the name on the front. I don’t wish them to die or to have a career ending injury but I really don’t worry about them anymore. I am on to the next big Met thing.
I wish Dickey well but if he faces the Mets, I hope they knock him out in the 1st inning.
I on the other hand don’t root against ANYONE who has no direct impact on the Mets success, ability to win games or make the playoffs….
And provided those criteria are met I will certainly root FOR former Met players to do well!
And when those parameters are in conflict only THEN will I root against them.
Last year I rooted for the Phillies whenever they faced thre Nats not because I like them better than the Nats but the Nats were ahead of us in the standings….
Once we were no longer involved in the playoffs I rooted FOR the Nats and Cards because I would rather see Davey get another Ring and Beltran get one more than someone else….
And when they faced each other in the Playoffs I really didn’t care WHO won….
Cause a former Met was involved!
This is all non sense. Alderson was always wanting to trade Dickey before signing him, that is why he low balled him on the offer, he knew that Dickey was desperate to sign a extension and used that leverage to get what he wanted as far as prospects, and he did in Drnaud and Syndergaurd while also upgrading at catcher with Buck.If he gave Dickey an acceptable offer then Dickey would sign and it would be more unlikely that a trade would happen. I think it is great that he can put emotion aside and do what he thinks is best for the team, of course only time will tell if the deal is good for the Mets, but it was one that had to be done.
He did sign Wright to a long term deal which I was against but it shows that when he wants to keep his player he can and will, everything negative said and the respect thing or money is just a media tactic to get publicity, or to get a story, or a fan who is not thinking properly on how to rebuild, and judging by fan polls and most writers Alderson made an excellent trade.
I know it stinks because it is not the fastest way to fix a team but it is the best way to build a team that wins long term, and really in the end the best chance to compete with the Nats at this point, cause if you think BJ upton was going to make us better than Nats this year you guys are tripping, Next year is the year the Mets take off, They will add through free agency and trades to fill the wholes and still have the same payroll or a little higher than this year.
Another Non Story
Peter has it right IMO. And looking at the AA quote, it was in regards to the $ offered. Well, first of all, for a guy this studly (as AA gushes), Toronto seriously “disrespected” him too with what they are paying him.
and I fully believe that the Mets never made their final offer, and would have ahd no problem paying him under market, just like Toronto did. They offered enough to keep the negotiations plodding along, so that other teams could see they were getting close. If all the other teams had pulled out of trade negotiations, or flat out refused to offer enough, they would have gone the extra couple mill/year and signed him for the good value deal Toronto did.
and yes, of course he is going to gush about how happy he is to be in toronto. he would have said the same thing in Texas. or if he had stayed in NY.
LOL Yeah because paing a guy5 il ore than he asked for is such a toal disrespect….
You can’t make this crap up but somehow you found a way!
Anyone know Dickey’s uni number?
Oh shit, I must have missed this one! Yesterday Alderson punked Minaya so AA punks Alderson! BRAVO!!!!
The way Alderson has disrespected Reyes, Beltran, Pagan and Dickey is a troubling trend that is getting around to all MLB players who are a band of brothers.
You want to know why not one major leaguer has signed a deal with the Mets since Ronny Cedeno?
NOBODY WANTS TO WORK FOR THE CLOWN IN THE FRONT OFFICE!.
They’ll work for anyone who pays MO MONEY ! It’s called capitalism.
I doubt players are lining up to play for a team that throws their stars under the bus on a regular basis….not unless you dramatically over-pay ( and this includes david wright )
True. And that was the Mets situation for the last 20 years. Who the heck really wants to come to Flushing to play baseball unless there is an added incentive? Even Beltran wanted the Yankees if they would only have given him a no trade clause. Do you think Hamilton, Greinke, or any other top FA went into the off season thinking “I really wish the mets were spending money; I would love to play for them”. Not likely.
Don’t forget Carlos Delgado…
At least Johan wanted to play for the Mets.
Obviously Dickey must have too, otherwise he wouldn’t be soooooo disrespected.
No the Yanks that off-season spent all their money on pitching and were over the luxury tax.
Beltran was going to lower his salary demands to play there because if he got paid 10 mil per year…the yanks would get taxed 30%…
The Yanks picked Pavano/Wright/Randy Johnson over Beltran, who single-handedly outproduced all 3 by himself
If the Yanks signed Beltran ( who was a Bernie Williams/Yankee fan growing up …shhhh ) I can only imagine the HOF numbers Beltran puts up there…
Beltran hit 41 HR at Shea…He probably hits over 50 at Yankee Stadium
Geez well there you have Jose Reyes of the Marlins, oops my mistake, Jose Reyes of the Toronto Blue Jays. Point made.
Yeah well we have that working against us too now don’t we?
SRT^^^^^^
Just disappointed that R.A. is no longer a Met. I am not very happy with Mets management at all right now. Can you say M. Donald Alderson?
Real Met fans feel your pain. The others have no hearts so they cant feel pain.
Oh wow, now we get to judge who the real Mets fans are and who aren’t. That should be fun.
Wanted to see what Metsblog readers had to say about this and it’s not even on their site! Ever notice how anything critical of Alderson never makes it onto that site? Maybe this is where we draw the line. Sloatsburg, ray sadecki, somethingaboutmurphy, van rocking, srt, TRS, Kay, Donal, Jessep, Xtreem, you guys all move over to that site. And the rest of us will stay here.
It made it to ours in the comment section. I didn’t consider it worthy of an actual post because I didn’t see anything shocking about it. A GM talking up his player that he just acquired.
Yeah but Metsblog who posts about the vivid color of Sandy’s urine and the diameter of Mr. Met’s head, always passes up an opportunity to criticize Alderson and you KNOW it.
Actually I don’t that much anymore because I rarely read it. LOL. I can’t even get to the comment section because Disqus is blocked where I work so why bother? Just to read the articles? LOL.
This is no joke, but it’s fair to say that 75% of all their comments have NOTHING to do with debate and are all bashing Cerrone, Baron and to a lesser extent Erni.
If you did a count right now on their last two days as a sample, 75% are jokes at their expense, cursing at them, calling them the funniest insults ever.
Since he gave 100 of his longtime commenters the heave-ho a few years ago, his comment threads went from the best anywhere to the worst. He leaves the comments up there because if he deleted all the bad ones, it would like his site is taking on water and sinking like the Titanic.
“Since he gave 100 of his longtime commenters the heave-ho a few years ago, his comment threads went from the best anywhere to the worst.”
I agree and between MMO and TRDM we have them all….. insert evil laugh here…..
I agree and between MMO and TRDM we have them all”
What’s TRDM????
You would know it better as the desert.
Your antithesis.
That being said you know it’s true. Between here and there we have about 90% of those that were banned. The rest… what happened to them? Did they get a life or something?
Ahhh, yes…The Desert…
LMAO
The Firm
Lets call that group I named, The Expendables. Hahaha
You have really become so mean lately. I used to like reading your comments, but now you never have anything good to say.
OMG Maniac, If the great GIna says it, it’s true… (Roll eyes)
I call them the SAND PEOPLE….
Good idea – so you and your little clique can say the same thing every day, pat each other on the back, salute each other, judge what a real fan is (clearly one that only thinks the way YOU do).
That would make for a fun fan site, I’m sure that’s what Joe D had in mind for this site.
Pay attention Kay. Jessep is running this site. Joe D is on some hiatus and lets his minions run things now. Come on girl, I thought you were on top of things. You disappoint me. Plus just think of how peaceful you will all be at MetsBlog? They need people like you and it will give you comfort.
Not true at all. Joe is still here and very active.
Joe’s active. He just posted the HoF article and he’s been active in comment threads recently.
I don’t think I take lightly to being called a minion, either…Lol.
You can’t, you are the great Perseus!
Maniac, I don’t know who’s feeding you your info, but you are way wrong and I’m not on any hiatus.
On another note you have just crossed into the Twilight Zone and are dangerously close to joining your friends in the penalty box (or is it the drunk tank).
I do not appreciate you insulting our readers or writers. I do not want you to dictate who can or can’t be a part of this community.
I already emailed you last week that you had better tone it down. Consider this a final warning.
Maniac… i get called a d*** yesterday and comments were deleted only, you (like me and bayonne) get called out publically.. Which was my point to Joe D yesterday about not being fair. Tone it down my friend, i don’t wanna see you ban for dealing with this people, no matter how right we’ve been for the past 3 years, there’s no way these people will stop worshipping sandy…
Check the Hall of Fame thread. he was called out, too.
By the way Alex, who was the first to take up for you and tell the poster that was inappropriate?
Takes a bow….
TRS, yo did what??? All you did was tell him to not curse me out because i will fall on my own or something like that, is that you way to stick uup for me? You are something else you know that!!! I don’t need you or anyone sticking up for me, i ignore kids who know nothign about baseball, i just made sure people would see how i get insulted here for no reason…
” tell him to not curse me out ”
Yup, that’s what I did. I also said it was inappropriate.
You are welcome.
Uh..no. I don’t really care for metsblog anymore. Haven’t clicked on that site in about a year.
Spend most of my time on TRDM, MLBTR, AA and here.
IMO, these are the best news sites as well as diversified articles on all things baseball and the Mets.
Man, I think I click refresh on MLBTR about 100 times per hour.
LOL Manac why do you think many of them are here at all?
Because wherever they used to post regularly they had run off all those they loved to bash, insult, argue and defend Sandy against and this was the last place they could do what they love best…
Promote thier BAD GM and his philosophy!
Anthopoulos comes across as a frat boy punk. Maybe he speaks the truth, but he sounds like a pompous ass.
thats the way Sandy comes off in my opinion
Yes he does sound like a pompous ass unlike Alderson who is a pompous ass.
Metsie was right. Last night about the same time HoJo posted this, he emailed me and predicted this post was going to get about 200 comments.
LOL that prediction hardly maes me a nostrdamus….
I just know the audience here so well!
You’re so interesting! I don’t believe I’ve read through something like that before. So nice to discover someone with some genuine thoughts on this subject. Seriously.. thanks for starting this up. This web site is something that’s needed on the web, someone with a bit of originality!
Much ado about nothing. AA didn’t say Dickey was disrespected or failed to get any respect. He just thought Dickey should have gotten more respect. This is an important distinction to be made. And it’s one most folks are able to make here, which is why it hasn’t become a story anywhere except among a small portion of the Mets fan base and a few beat writers.
It’s a small dig at Alderson at worst.
Moreover. Alderson had to play it the way he did because he intended to market Dickey to find out what he could get back. Therefore, if he came in with the Mets top offer initially, Dickey might have accepted making a trade more difficult, if not impossible to complete. So he had to hold back with the money part.
Alderson didn’t disrespect Dickey. He might not have given Dickey the attention that some thought he should have, but it was not disrespect.
As for Dickey’s comments that he’s thankful the Mets didn’t meet his demands, I don’t hold that against him considering the circumstances he was in and his audience. I think deep down, he’s probably still hurt the Mets didn’t keep him, and I can understand why he’d feel that way, having just won the Cy Young and all. I wish him well and will always root form him, especially when he faces the yankees and except when he faces the Mets, but I think for the long term good of the club, it was a smart move to get those 2 elite prospects back.