No he got all that in offer because in three years you can draft more kids to replace what you gave away without having to pay 20 MIl per year or have to worry about losing him to FA for a measly comp pick.

They were willing to trade for THREE YEARS of what he has showed he can do and wold not give as much away just to get ONE or TWO…

See the value of Beltran for further reference….
See the Value of Dickey as well!

Lots of pre-teens and Moneyballers mostly.

While you are right Wheeler is more major league ready now Walker isnt far off at all 1-2 yrs away (2tops) for a 19yr old.

Says more about you than me Kid!

The only thing that was set by Seattles offer was how MUCH to get a yes!

That makes the deal Seattle offered the TOP Market…
No one is going to give more than that and if they would they would have done so already!

All the DBacks did is SHOW THIER CARDS and tell the rest of the league what will beat them into saying yes….

Since they said YES and couldn’t make the deal now every offer they got for Upton will be LESS not MORE!

Because if you already told me it cost 10 dollars I’m not going to offer you 11!
It’s going to be 10 or LESS because you already showed me what the price is!

Yes they have plenty of time to trade him just as a Store has plenty of time to sell you bread…

But the closer to that expiration date you get the cheaper you have to sell the product!

They got the offer to get Upton NOW!
To get upton later means they get LESS!

Sure they can keep him….But thats not getting MORE now is it?
All they are really getting by keeping him is a player they would rather trade until someone offers them a deal they are willing to accept and whatever that deal is it will NEVER be more than Seattle offerred because GMs are not notorious for tipping GMs or paying more than it takes to get a player if your someone else. like Seattle!

Seattle set the HIGHEST bar Arizona can get….
Every deal after will be for the same or less and it’s doubtfull it will be the same because no one else seems to even come close to making a similar offer.

So unless Upton all of sudden falls a part, chances are the offer they got from Seattle will be nothing compared to what they can get if they wait, he is LOCKED down for 3 years!!!!!

I can easily see the Yankees and Upton in a 3-way trade.

Yankees send Granderson to team X in need of a CF for prospects

those prospects and others are sent to AZ for Upton

Upton is sent to NYY

now Yankees are set in RF for the next 4 seasons at a much lower price than what Granderson would’ve commanded

Upton has an even better stadium to hit in, in a division great for hitters

everybody happy

All it would have taken is maybe just someone else better than Nickeas!

But he likes showing ATTITUDE when BRAINS and COOPERATION would be the better play!

And yes I heard all the phone calls….

And you did too….Because your answer from Sandy was EXACTLY what I said it was….

“Screw YOU Call me back if you have something else!”
Not willing to make an effort to work with Toronto and get that one BETTER prospect that makes everyones ideas about the spending next year and 2015 Playoffs much closer to reality!

In fact if THAT was the deal we would be about a OFer and half away from competing THIS YEAR!

That and some Bullpen which it looks like we aren’t getting either because Sandy hung up when he heard the price on everyone available as quickly as he hung up n Toronto!

Oh thats good news metsie, so sandy can wait and he will only have to give up 2 scrubs instead of 5 it would cost now. That is Grrrrrrrrrreeeeaattttt!!!! I am so happy I am going to go dust off my cultish SA pom poms in anticipation.

Case in point (back to Dickey) Sandy didn’t press and press and press toronto to give up d’Arnaud and Snydergaard he simply said no to the other offers until Toronto finally called and said ok d’Arnaud is in the deal.
He WAITS for deals to come to him and the few times he calls to see what the deal is he hears the price and gives up.

Wow Metsie you must work within the organization and watch Aldersons phone calls.. It is more like Alderson told Anthopoulos to fly a kite until he gives up Darnaud, Anthopoulos could have got as creative as he wanted and Alderson would not have budged until he heard the name Darnaud. Bottom line is Alderson wanted Darnaud and got him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is no need for Alderson to get creative, he had Dickey and had him signed at 5 mill, If you do not give me Drnaud then see ya, that is how creative he had to be,oh and I will take your top pitching prospect as well thank you.I guess that is a bad job on Aldersons part, I mean he got what he wanted!!!!!

I am sure Towers is holding out for the best deal on Upton as well, and unless he hears Wheeler or Harvey he probably tells Alderson to take a hike.There are many other teams in the league with prospects last time I checked that are probably making offers.You are making an assumption he gives up easily,if he did then Drnaud would not be a Met. If Towers wants to get rid of Upton before the season, why would he not go to Texas then for Olt, Perez, and probably 2 more prospects. Get creative as you want unless Wheeler,Darnaud or Harvey are in the deal the Mets wont beat that. The Mets system is just not that deep yet, they are still in the bottom 15 in terms of minor league talent, although I think that changes big time this year. Waiting it out and seeing if the price comes down is the only realistic option.

So yes there are some that say he might be better but that betteris a projection and is much further away than Wheelers is…..

Which is why I’m also not as sold on Snydergaard either as the suitable 2nd prospect in the Dickey deal….Sure he is projected to be good but projections are still more about hope than reality.

RE: Sandy not only does he lack the creativity he lacks the CONVICTION (his biggest flaw both in trades and signings) to keep at it and work with someone to find the right mix of talent to get a deal done.

Case in point (back to Dickey) Sandy didn’t press and press and press toronto to give up d’Arnaud and Snydergaard he simply said no to the other offers until Toronto finally called and said ok d’Arnaud is in the deal.
He WAITS for deals to come to him and the few times he calls to see what the deal is he hears the price and gives up.

When if he pushed the issue more, Found other pieces to replace the ones he doesn’t want to pay in the deal he might have 4 or 5 more deals under his belt right now for some pretty good players.

He is not proactive at all and just because someone has a high starting price (or low as the case may be) doesn’t mean that it the ONLY deal that can be made and the ONLY terms possible.

There is something in this world called Haggling and I don’t see any sense of that it’s either “You Want to Much” or Your giving too Little…I’m hanging up to wait for the better offer!”

Thats not negotiating it’s POSTURING which seems to be a modus operandi with Sandy both in trades and in Free Agency negotiations as well!

Not sure if you noticed but Martin Perez’s stock have been dropping steadily for a couple years now. His K/rate has dropped to 4.9 SO/9 in triple-A last year the year before 6.8 SO/9 also in Triple-A.

As far as Mike Olt the Rangers have been dangling him to everyone there is a reason no one has bitten yet. While he has excellent Defense at 3B and power he is also a strikeout machine whom many dont think he’ll be successful in the Pro’s….Many compare him to former Ranger Chris Davis you could even compare him to another former Ranger Justin Smoak as a highly touted prospect whom doesnt make enough contact in the pro’s to be successful. And its not like the D’backs need Olt they already have a Top 50 rated prospect 3B in Matt Davidson

TOwers is just waiting as long as he can to get the best offer possible then he will pounce on it.

But now after completing a deal with Seattle only to have Upton reject the trade they have no recourse only option now is to trade him for the best package offered.

You cant go into the season with him now because it will be a BIG distraction for the team. So no one has to match that trade offer by Seattle but they can however use it as a measuring stick. As in that offer was the ceiling in any potential future deal involving Upton this off-season.

Seattle was willing to offer more because there GM is desperate to keep his job and improve the team NOW where as Sandy Alderson doesnt give a damn about going into next season as Lame Ducks. And the Rangers and Braves arent desperate to add a bat at the expense of gutting their farm.

Actually Metsie Taijuan Walker is as good as Wheeler most say better than Zack…

But I agree with everything else you said Alderson lacks creativity when wheeling and dealing…it seems the only way he can get a good trade off is if he’s trading an Allstar for prospects. Where he can just wait,wait and wait til the other team eventually gives in when they realize all he is asking for is prospects(BIG MAYBE’s) for a PROVEN star.

Moving onto worthwhile discussions….