Comments on: Baseball America: Mets Still Bottom 15 Farm System

By: Russell's Mets

Russell's Mets — Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:35:15 +0000

this list was before the trade*

By: Russell's Mets

Russell's Mets — Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:33:07 +0000

@Metsie both Nocolino and Marisnick are on the list. this list was after the trade. Did you even read it? I suspect the real reason he posted the 2011 list is because it made his post sound credible. Even though it was in fact full of BS.

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 06:55:52 +0000

Yes it does. Sydergaard was ranked higher than two of the three top prospects the Jays sent to Miami.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 06:40:23 +0000

There was a reason he posted an earlier one because the 2013 list does not reflect all the prospects that the Jays gave away to the Marlins on a previous trade…

His list in Dec 2011 which is pretty much the rankings before last season started….

By: DrDooby

DrDooby — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 06:34:11 +0000

Yup, Eddy’s list by far was the worst out there.
Also Mateo ahead of Fulmer and Tapia seemed quite questionable btw with his list.

By: Russell's Mets

Russell's Mets — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 03:37:04 +0000

@MetManiac did you just list a ranking from 2011 http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2012/2612728.html

??? Um, we are in 2013!!! Below is the real BA’s list prior to the trade…Please, please check your work before you post!

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2013/2614294.html

1. Travis d’Arnaud, c
2. Jake Marisnick, of
3. Noah Syndergaard, rhp
4. Aaron Sanchez, rhp
5. Justin Nicolino, lhp
6. Roberto Osuna, rhp
7. Marcus Stroman, rhp
8. Adeiny Hechavarria, ss
9. D.J. Davis, of
10. John Stilson, rhp

By: BadBadLeroyBrown

BadBadLeroyBrown — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:49:25 +0000

Thats funny I always thought you were Jeff Wilpon

By: Matt Mosher

Matt Mosher — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:55:27 +0000

Matt Eddy’s list was AWFUL. I don’t know what the hell he was looking at.

By: Matt Mosher

Matt Mosher — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:45:52 +0000

ABSOLUTELY!! I never considered that and you are spot on.

For instance, the consistently rate Miami’s Jose Fernandez higher than Zack Wheeler despite the former’s considerably smaller track record.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:41:12 +0000

You mean a Draft and a Half right?

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:40:14 +0000

Notice Snydergaard didn’t eve break into thier 2015 linup on BA…
So they think he is still 4 years away from anything…

Guess we will have to kick that “Something Special” can all the way to 2016 now won’t we? LOL

By: Met Maniac

Met Maniac — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:47:21 +0000

Callis didn’t make the list a huge saber guy named Matt Eddy did. He’s done the Mets Top Prospects for 3-4 years now. This is the guy who swore by Brad Holt even after other scouts and analysts dropped him off their top 20. That he put Flores below Nimmo and Cecchini only points to his bias. BA scouts who do the tools, called Flores the best hitter in the organization. But Eddy isn’t a scout, he’s a geek, so…

By: Satish Ram

Satish Ram — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:36:41 +0000

I’m with you, man. I’ll vouch for his character, and of course, because he is part of our minor league system, I’m rooting for him to become a star.

But at the very least, to rank him above Flores already? I need someone to explain it to me.

I also feel Nimmo gets a little too much credit, but reports say he’s a pretty decent athlete…so I have to give that time as well, but I’m reluctant to rank either of them high.

And before anyone says I have some anti-Alderson bias, I’m a huge fan of Fulmer and the young Syndergaard that we just picked up.

By: Vinny B

Vinny B — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:32:02 +0000

Yeah, I think it’s ridiculous that he is that high. He seems like a really nice kid and I’m really rooting for him, but I agree with you, I don’t see anything that special about his abilities.

By: Satish Ram

Satish Ram — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:19:08 +0000

What the hell is so special about Gavin Cecchini?

I think Syndergaard is a potential #1 and I get the hype about D’Arnaud…but seriously, why the hell is Cecch anywhere NEAR the top of our prospect list?

By: DrDooby

DrDooby — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:19:08 +0000

A problem with BA in general is totally falling in love with high recent June picks they covered intensively. Mike Zunino is not a better prospect than Travis D’ Arnaud at this point, just like Gain Cechini should not rank ahead of Wilmer Flores at the moment.
Flores is an interesting case anyway.
He was ranked quite high by BA in years past as teenager holding his own but with a supposedly strong hit-tool. Then he struggled in 2011 and was prett much written off.

Then he breaks out at age 20/21 and does what people had hoped for 3 years ago – but the rankings remain surprisingly low.

By: matthew balasis

matthew balasis — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:11:09 +0000

One problem with the Met farm system is that the teams just aren’t very good. I remember in the run-up to 86 I believe our AAA club won their league championship at least once. Our AA and AAA teams aren’t very competitive right now but St Lucie was runner up this past year and had the best pitching staff in their league, a mighty good sign when you consider the bump in this particular snake will eventually make it’s way through AA and AAA before they are pooped out onto the major league stage. I know there have been productive farm systems that have not necessarily had top teams represented, but I’ve always favored winning teams in the minors. Until we start to see our AA and AAA teams rising up to their competition there will always be doubters who will relegate them as second rate.

By: taskmaster4450

taskmaster4450 — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 19:50:38 +0000

That does not surprise me at all. Most of the Mets talent is A or lower. Who is really at the upper end of the farm. Wheeler, TDA and Flores most likely will be in AAA and that is it. The young arms, Fulmer and Syndergaard are most likely St Lucie bound so they most likely see AA.

This by the way is the reason why the Mets have an issue working trades. There just isnt a lot of high quality talent at the upper end of the system to deal with other teams.

By: Matt M

Matt M — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 19:20:26 +0000

Callis has a bias when it comes to the Mets. Ive read BA for 10 years and he always has. Everyone has teams they don’t like…usually it has to do with the team having a philosophy in opposition to the writers’ personal beliefs on player development.

By: DrDooby

DrDooby — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:30:41 +0000

Callis has traditionally been down on the Mets system compared to other mavens. He also hasn’t done a Mets Top 30 in a long time. Not surprising.
That said, beyond Wheeler, D’Arnaud, Flores and if you’re generous Tovar and Familia no Met prospect figures to make a major impact at the major league level over the next two seasons realistically. Keep in mind that Harvey, Mejia, Nieuwenhuis and Valdespin, i.e. one third of last winter’s too 12 graduated in 2012. Edgin too btw, even if he wasn’t rated as highly.And prospects such as Lagares, Mazzoni, DeGrom, Gorski or McHugh project more as role players.