thats insane to use them collectively….unless u want to mask the fact that pawlecki and reynolds are probably never going to be any closer to citifield than the average fan…to even insinuate they are going to outproduce jose reyes is pure comedy….

right now, kevin pawlecki couldnt start on a team that had juan centeno or travis d’anard on it…we’re talking about a guy who was so good at defense, they sat his ass down and had him as the DH for 30% of the season…

and beltran’s 2011 + 2012 seasons were MVP caliber for the most part….

The Firms desperate attempts to make their lord and savior Sandy look better is absolutely funny

Yes, we all agree the changes made were financially motivated. But if we look at the situation in terms of a reasonable fiscal picture, why talk in terms of payroll as a separate entity? The roster payroll is part of the overall operating expenditures of the team and fits within a structure of an overall budget and the revenue projected from such expenditures.

According to the attached from Fox Business News, in 2011 the Mets were the fifth most expensive cost to fans in the majors, with an average $241 spent per individual.

If those three players you mentioned helped contribute to an average 4,000 more fans per game, it would increase revenue by a million dollars per game – or more than $75 million per year. Mind you, that does not account for the increased ticket cost going into 2013.

I don’t think each of those players got an average salary of $25 million per year.

That’s why I say don’t go by rotisserie league to understand payroll decisions because the roster payroll is just one facet of the overall cost to run a ball club.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2011/05/17/5-ballparks-ding-wallet/

In addition, the Mets certainly did not have to get the top names in Lee, Pappelbaum and Upton to put them into the potential 90 win range – that would be Yankee thinking. We just didn’t have to go to the extreme opposite with Young, Carasco and (via trade) Torres. But we would not have sacrificed our farm system signing these players so we could have indeed made the transition from older vet to younger prospect with potential as the individual need risen – that’s the way a team needs to be run to be successful for long stretches.

Of course, we both know that plans are only projections and there is no guarantee which ever direction any team makes for it to rise, be mediocre or languish near the bottom.

The decision to – finally – rebuild may have been mostly financially motivated.
Sure, had the Mets added Cliff Lee (after 2010), Jonathan Papelbon (after 2011) and BJ Upton (after 2012) as free agents while re-signing Beltran, Reyes, K-Rod, Pagan and extending Dickey, then contending with the “old” core from 2011 through 2015 would certainly have been possible. Not guaranteed – but quite possible.
I mentioned in a previous post that Alderson inherited an expensive 80 to 85 win team structurally. By adding pieces like the aforementioned ones, that team could have been upgraded towards 85 to 90 wins (and with a little luck, 85 to 90 wins can easily turn into 93 wins, just like it also can drop back to 82 wins with injuries and bad luck).

Of course, doing the math, keeping the “old guard” around and adding the aforementioned pieces would have lifted the 2011 to 2013 payrolls into the 160 to 180 million $ range. Still below luxury tax thresholds – but far away from breaking even in terms of cash flow / revenue unless a best case scenario (World Series) fulfills itself.

Besides, being something this ownership group would not have been able to do even with help from Bernie Madoff, let alone without him and facing a 1 billion $ suit and losing the franchise and their other businesses too.

So, winning with the “old core” had to be sacrificed to build a “new core” with a window that won´t open before 2014 but should last until at least 2020 once in does, maybe longer if managed in a smart way.

Anymore questions there slappy?

A Small Market is a market that has to draw a higher percentage of the total population to equal the viewers in a larger market….

There are (example since I don’t have real numbers) lets say 10 Million people in NYC.
They only need 5% of the population to watch to get 2 Million viewers….

But in a Town that has say only 2 Million people they would need to get 100% of the people in that market to watch to meet the same viewers totals.

In the case of baseball stadiums hold roughly around the same numbers of people…
But there is WAY MORE people in a market like NYC to buy those tickets to sell out every game where as in a Market like St Louis they can’t sell out unless they get 10% (double what NYC draws) to get the same number of sell outs.

So in a Market like NY if you just draw the same 5% as St Louis does you have actually made more than double what they made even if the stadiums are equal in capacity.

It’s why TV Ratings are done in Shares not actual counts….
Cause in small market you could have half the population there watch a show and it’s ratings still will be lower (and worth less to advertisers) due to the fewer exposures that market brings.

Was Kenny Rogers’ near 5 ERA afterwards what propelled them to the World Series?

And how did they acquire Paul O’Neill?

Nice little collection of role players. But according to you, guys who play in 130 games “hardly play” so I guess they were all bench guys.

And I’m sure Yankees fans everywhere would trade every game of Bernie Williams career for one more week of Tim Raines.

Imagine that…someone actually wanted Thole for his Defense!

Buck was part of the deal Sandy had to take to get d’Arnaud.

They sent away:

A Closer – Still need one
A RFer (at the time) – Got a Starting Pitcher
a SS – Got nothing really but a Catcher
a CF – Got Nothing PERIOD
Cy Young Pitcher – Got a catcher that makes the SS sendaway moot Lost a Cy Young pitcher making the trade equation on Pitchers static.

So we sent 5 players away (Right or wrong 5 performers left for whatever reasons)
And all they got out of it was a Catcher, his possible backup in 2-3 years and a Pitcher to replace the one they traded to get the catcher…

And they are down a RFer and CF after all is said and done…

Thats not really what I would call replenishing….
YOUTHANIZE maybe but replenishing hardly…When you replenish you usually wind up with more than you lost in the first place.

I do get what your trying to say but they are sending more away and getting little in return to make up for the lossed let alone replenish something we were missing as we are missing more pieces now.

They sure have saved money but until they spend it they have really added or replenished nothing

Hope you’re feeling a bit better today.

You asked “Why don’t you explain to me how sabermetrics justifies Buck.”

The answer is easy – Sandy is getting his most for the buck.