this is why i say, sandy is not “rebuilding” nor trying to immediately improve the club….he really is a legal/financial guy. we have no one at the wheel when it comes to baseball decisions..

with the mets, steve phillips hired the scout…not omar minaya…even though thats not what u concede wiith bill r

u flip sides more than john kerry and mitt romney in a debate lmao

Have fun writing them each a personal Thank you and to Steve Phillips and his lot as well….

Nope, he REWORKED HIS CONTRACT, in exchange for sacrificing money they guarenteed the 2 option years….

>Did they trade Chipper for prospects after 2006 when their run of division titles ended?

Were the Braves in rebuild mode ala the Mets?

>Did they not retool their team with Chipper or was he sent packing for prospects?
>No he was extended twice more.

He was extended in 2000, in the midst of a playoff run.

He reworked his contract in 2005, in the midst of ANOTHER playoff run

He extended his contract in 2009 for 3 years.

>2 yrs more at 34

that was part of the ORIGINAL CONTRACT,
nice try

>and at 36 he received another extension for 4 yrs one of them an option.

it was a 3 year deal, and the last year was never guarenteed…hence why u didnt call his first contract an 8 year contract…it was a 6 year contract with 2 option years…

>so it’s still 6 more yrs since the age of 34 which took him to his final season at 40.

No, it was technically a 6 year contract that got reworked into being a 8 year contract and then proceeded by a 3 year contract with a 1 year option that never came about b/c Chipper retired

You were still caught bull-shi**ing

Chipper never signed a 6 year extension at the age of 34

he signed a 3 year extension at the age of 36

What would 2000 have to do with the point being made? The Braves were still winning division titles back in 2000 all the way until 2005. I clearly stated 2006-2008 when they were no longer the Braves that dominated the NL East yet they did not trade Chipper for prospects who would’ve brought back even more than you think Wright would’ve.

Are you starting to understand now or do I need to Damaja it down even more?

Wright needs murderers row at Yankee Stadium in perfect condition? Hilarious! I guess the Mets had murderers row in 2005 when as a 22 year old playing in his first full season in NY he put up a 308/388/523 912 OPS wth 99 runs 42 2B’s 27 HR’s 102 RBI’s.
I guess that was because of Beltrans 744 OPS 16 HR 78 RBI season that propelled Wright to that first full year.

He must’ve only put similar numbers in 2006 along with 5 walkoff hits (Including a big 2 out hit off the great Mariano) because of the lineup around him and not because of how good a hitter he is. Almost identical numbers in 05 and 06 and yet 05 only Cliff Floyd did anything worth discussing.

And I guess that even though Delgado sucked in 2007 and only Beltran came close to the season Wright had when he put up his best season 963 OPS and best on the team while Wright also put up 364/465/596 in the 2nd of of 07 and 352/432/602 in September or in 08 when he put up 330/406/588 in the 2nd half and 340/416/577 in September just as good if not better than Beltran and better than Delgado. Thank God our SS saved our seasons with his sizzzling Septembers to remember though. Oh no wait he didn’t, he sucked bean bag going into fetal position when he was needed most, making the Rey Ordonez’s of the world look like Derek Jeter.

And you may want to look at Beltrans 2nd half splits during that same span 09-12. Only in 2011 did Beltran have a good 2nd half. Even last year when surrounded by a much better lineup than Wright, Beltran was awful. Much worse than Wrights 2nd half.

Also Beltran has 6 more years in the Majors. Of course he’s more of a leader.Just like Delgado was more of a leader than Beltran when he was there. Now Wright’s the leader of the team. Beltran on a bad offensive SF team hit for a high avg had 7 HR’s in 44 games but didn’t hit a lick w/risp and only knocked in 18 runs in 44 games. When he got there they were in 1st place. They didn’t make the playoffs. Duda out produced him after the trade.

You tell me the prospects we were getting back and I’ll tell you what I’d rather have. I have already said on numerous occasions that I would’ve oved him if I couldn’t get im to agree to a 5 year gauranteed deal and options. I would not have given him 8 years but I do not act like he’s Richie Hebner the way you guys do. He’s still a top 3,4 3rd baseman in the game and since they didn’t gut the team totally they still have time to win with him. And show me how many players in the game hit consistently from Apr to Oct. People here were trying to say Pagan had a big year when he had 6 good weeks this past year. Nobody wanted to hear abou an uneven year. On August 1st Pagan had 5 HR 35 RBi’s 15 2B’s and 5 3B’s with a 707 OPS. Mostly batting 5th but he had a big year.

Weak 2nd halves or not he’s still far better than anything else on the team and it’s not even close. As a sidekick Wright was hitting 324/414/467 for an 882 OPS when he got plunked in the head on August 15th without Beltran nearly 2 months to that point. Thats a pretty damn good sidekick even with his HR dropoff and absolutely no one in the lineup. Let me know when someone else on the team now has an OPS approaching 882 in the near future. That’s 110 points higher than Ike Kingman even with his 32 HR’s last year. That’s better than any Daniel Murphy season to date.

I loved Beltran and he was the better all around player but lets stop this bullshit that Wright put up the numbers that he did because of guys like Beltran on the team. From 05-08 he put up the best numbers of any Met including Beltran. Offensively he’s every bit as good as Beltran nd even has a higher BA, OBP, SLg%, OPS and OPS+. And that’s with his numbers dropping off 3 of the last 4 yrs. Get used to it. You have him for 8 more years. Deal with it.

Remember when Sandy first got here and everyone was jumping for joy because they felt this guy was going to do what they wanted and offer ABOVE SLOT to get those great kids they all expected us to rebuild with?

Odd isn’t it how the year before the slot guidelines became MANDATORY how this guy who was all about OVER SLOT wouldn’t sign his 2nd rounder and even offer UNDER SLOT!

A DRAFT POSITION IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING A TOP PROSPECT’S SIGNATURE

NOW THAT SLOTTING IS LAW, NOT SUGGESTION, ALDERSON IS ON MORE EVEN PLAYING FIELD.

Also, note that a lot of stars mentioned above were picks out of High School:
Kazmir – Hamels – McCutchen – Bruce – Bumgarner – Heyward – to a lesser degree Lawrie, Walker or Maybin too.
Sure, the were also college successes such as Swisher – Weaver – Lincecum – Weeks – Storen – Crow; but it´s not as if these college picks have been a lot more successful compared to their HS peers.

Also, the question for a rebuilding team has to be: Is adding Michael Bourn worth losing out on the chance for the next Madison Bumgarner or Andrew McCutchen or the chance for the next Neil Walker or Jemile weeks or even the next Justin Smoak or Cameron Maybin, both of which were traded for elite players ?

In the Mets´ current situation, the answer clearly is no – unless Bourn is willing to sign a medium term deal for a stunningly low amount of money. And why would he ? A shortterm deal would make absolutely no sense – with any contending window probably not opening before 2014 anyway. And even then, it´d be highly questionable.

And the value of 1st round picks has actually increased today vs. past years. In the past, you could lose your 1st rounder but still get 1st round talents in later rounds by paying well over slot. If you lose your 1st rounder now, your draft budget crashes as well and you don´t have the option of spending aggressively on your other picks anymore with a small budget.

So, all in all, as much as having to remain patient is difficult, especially with no guarantee it´ll lead to a contender as early as in 2014 or the following years, in this case, keeping your 1st rounder is a must.

Oh and on a final note, it´s tough to blame Minaya on some of these moves. His task – unlike Alderson´s was to build an instant / quick fix winner. Which he did by spending wildly on free agents and losing several early picks in the process. Certainly the signings of Carlos Beltran and Pedro Martinez, plus probably Billy Wagner were absolutely worth it, considering the shortterm task at hand. However, also sacrificing early picks for especially Moises Alou & to a lesser degree Francisco Rodriguez and maybe even Jason Bay (only a 2nd rounder) seemed questionable back then and certainly in retrospect.

If they put the best team they can out there every year I won’t expect them to win every year and would expect if they do that they will win a WS more often and see the playoffs more frequently….

This is the third time we are trying this start from scratch because it will lead to a long dominant team which has been proved not to actually happen when you rebuild all that happens is you trade awy the good guys who got you there because they all want to get paid after winning it for you and you decide to rebuild again because they all aren’t worth the money (so they say)

Best he can do is get 3 playoffs season out of 6 and guess what….
He won’t even GET to season 6 he will be fired if not by next offseason midway though the 2014 season when they STILL have no outfield and bullpen to speak of….

for some folks a WS ring is the only definition of a winning season

If Alderson has four out of six winning seasons but only makes the playoffs once he’ll be deemed a failure. There will be a lot of told ya so’s.

But Minaya did it and he is the man?

Sorry, winning seasons aren’t good enough. I want several playoff seasons in a row, and with the way Alderson is doing it, it is a lot more likely.

You can thank Fred and Jeff for that

In 2008, Omar drafted Ike Davis…by 2010, Ike was hitting 28 HR against MLB pitching
In 2010, Omar drafted Matt Harvey, by 2012, Matt is already talked about as a potential ace

so…u can thank him for that…

Except Wright has had 4 straight uneven years….do u want to look at his 2nd half splits for those years

and im sure u would rather have Wright on an offensively ( and even moreso…DEFENSIVELY ) challenged club, than the prospects you could get for him that would plug up those holes…

>>His 2010 season would’ve trumped every Met on the 2012 squad except himself.

You mean the offensively challenged Mets ?

Simply signing the 2011 clubhouse leader Carlos Beltran in the off-season would’ve provided all the offense David provided and ( real ) leadership David Wright lacks.

>>Heck I’ll take his 2009 season from some of the other wonderful farmhands Sandy inherited.

No, I would rather have Ike Davis….David started off the 2009 campaign correctly….becoming a line-drive hitter and sacrificing power…then when Beltran went down, David became exposed for being the side-kick that he is…

Beltran on a offensively challenged SF lineup does just fine…

Wright needs to hit with Murderer’s Row at Yankee Stadium in perfect conditions or else

“They resigned Chipper to a 6 year extension at around 34 yrs old ”

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/08/17/chipper_extension_ap/

Finally announcing a deal that had been rumored for weeks, NL MVP Chipper Jones and the Atlanta Braves agreed Thursday on a six-year contract said to be worth $90 million.

Jones, 28, had been eligible to become a free agent after this season.

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