No way the Rangers offer him for anyone other than Giancarlo Stanton or David Price, maybe.

Certainly not for Justin Upton, RA Dickey or Travis D´Arnaud. Neither straight up nor with Mike Olt added…

Please stop acting like the Mets are the only team that does this. Every team does this, with pretty much every big prospect. You don’t have to look any further than Bryce Harper. You think it was a coincidence he made his debut on April 28?

You’re just looking for something else to b*itch about. We’re talking about a whole year of control, for 20 days. Everyone does it. Stop.

It does seem that Sandy believes he is that type of individual, based of course, on his analytical mind deciphering statistical information. That seems to be the mindset of many of the new breed of general managers that are business people with no background in the sport.

So part of the support for Sandy comes from those who contend that through advanced statistical analysis Sandy became a self-taught evaluator of baseball talent versus the traditionlists (like me) who say that is not possible on an executive level. The other part comes from those who do not see him as only that business executive in the game of baseball and thus his moves (even if based on sabermetrics) are seen from the point of the ledger book.

I think Reyes was not re-signed for several reasons. First of all Alderson is totally against second generation contracts. Wilpons dictated the wright contract, Second, as you say is that they had a replacement ready and waiting to play for a fraction of the price, Third and most important is the injury history, Only Loria would pony up the contract jose got. Totally backloaded knowing he was not going to keep him long, Even if by some miracle Reyes has no more leg injuries he has already lost a step and his most valuable asset will become less of an asset over time.
I understand about the money not being reinvested but the days of patching holes had to end, It wasnt working and the whole thing needed to be stripped down and made over. Anyway The Wilpons control the pursestrings and NOT the GM, I hope next time freddy opens the wallet the money will be spent more wisely.

You guys want to call one side extremists but the truth is there are a lot more extremists on the LOVE SANDY side than there are fans who just want to see this team get better and don’t care if Sandy Alderson is the name that does it….

No one here hates Sandy….We hate what he has done which is a a whole lot of nothing but waiting for something to come accross his desk.

And it doesn’t matter who did that he would get called out and bitched at….

Most could care less about Sandy…The arguments aren’t about Sandy it with the people who think his gas is perfume and he has some midas touch….

Well the guy has won just one WS since 1989 and that encompasses his ENTIRE CAREER IN BASEBALL!

But for some reason there is a small group of LOVERS who thinks everything he does is the smartest move that can ever be made….

The reason why I think Reyes wasn’t going to be re-signed had all to do with money simply because there was no re-investment of the $11 million from 2011 that came off the books, as was the same with no longer having to pay KRod, Beltran, Castillo and Perez.

When it first happened, I gave Sandy the benefit of the doubt because we did have a back-up with Tejada. But because nothing was done with the money saved, it is my guess that if we did not have Tejada it would have just meant another hole to fill – as we saw when Tejada was out for the month.

Tejada did an admirable job at shortstop and if we had not a Jose Reyes before him I don’t think there would be any complaints. Forgetting that Jose was a fan favorite, his speed and stolen base capability meant a lot to the Mets offense, as well as his range and throwing arm helped a bit more in the field.

Which you all seem to think you have to do anyway don’t you?

Only with my team you need to do LESS FA shopping…and don’t require a GLUT of OF to be available

Reyes would be locked up till 2018…
Dickey would give you two more years to develop a pitcher to replace him at minimum but being a Knuckleballer maybe more.
Pagan would be locked till 2017 at 10 Mil per.
Wright till 2020

The potential needs would be limited to:
Re-signing Beltran or whichever OF you guys think we are going to spend on next year when you finally break open that piggy bank you been stuffing in the name of payroll flexability
Replacing Santana (which we have to do regardless of the Dickey trade but had an option here before the trade)
Replacing Thole (which we have avoided by instead trying to look for a Pitcher to replace the Cy Young Pitcher)

Im my scenario Duda and Tejada/Murphy are decent trade chips to go along with a Flores…

If that teams projects to you to 85 Wins in 2013 THAT IS one maye two players away from contending…Far closer than anything this year which is far further away at 70 Wins or less.

But there is also one more perk that Fantasy team gets you….
the REALITY of a profit at the gate instead of a deficit in the ledger!
85 Wins would draw enough fans to the game to pay the bills…
Having a 155 Mil Payroll would not be a problem that gets used like a Crutch to not go after the players we need…
There would be no excuse to sit on our hands and let the rest of the league improve thier way past us because 85 Win is NOT “TOO FAR AWAY TO TRY!”

And in the end the farm is no less barren than it will be once Wheeler and d’Arnaud get here…
With all that had to be let go to get those two they both would have to be Hall of Famers to just EQUAL the combined performance of all those who have left.

And in regards to Wheeler we could have traded Beltran to get Wheeler and STILL got Beltran back by going after him in FA and signing him to a new deal which turned out to be a PAYCUT compared to what we WERE paying at the time….

We could have had our Wheeler and still had Beltran chewing through MLB Pitching at the heart of the order…

The issue that seemingly gets lost is the fact that your going to spend the same amount of money or MORE to get to the 85 Wins you project for that team….
And your going to have to find TWO guys worth signing in 2014 to get to that 85 Wins in 2014…

Meanwhile we could have had those 85 wins in 2012, 2013 and 2014 which means there would be plenty of money to buy whoever it is you THINK your going to buy in 2014 with lots of players to trade for kids to restock once you sign them. Now you have a playoff type team that has a restocked Farm to keep that winning going or improve someone else

Maybe one of them even gets you d’Arnaud!

Baseball America isn´t as high of the system because they do not like the upper level talent at all beyond Wheeler & D´Arnaud (i.e. two elite prospects acquired by Alderson) while acknowledging that there is plenty of promise & depth at the lower levels (i.e. again mostly players acquired over the past couple of years under Alderson) – yet too far away for their taste to be a factor.

Of course, the general question is: Why should he ? And on who ?

In the summer of 2011, the Mets decided to break up their core.

Beltran was traded for a top prospect.
Reyes was let go (for draft pick compensation).
Dickey has been traded for two top prospects and change.
Those three moves have been the key decisions over the past 18 months and will go a long way towards defining Alderson´s tenure.
Basically, will it have been worth it, saving the rougly 40 to 45 million $ per year it would have cost to retain those three going forward and getting Wheeler, D´Arnaud, Syndergaard, Plawecki, Reynolds and Becerra instead (Thole & Nickeas for Buck is a wash in all that and probably won´t have any sort of meaningful impact).

So, would you rather have these 6 kids, two of them close, the other 4 more lottery tickets of higher & lesser upsides and 40+ million extra $ to spend over the next few years or Reyes, Dickey and Beltran under contract going forward and a better chance to win shortterm ?
I don´t think there´s an obvious answer. I do prefer the “youth” & rebuild approach, having been quite underwhelmed by 20+ years of “quick fixing things” over here, though I acknowledge there´s a lot of risk involved that the young players do not pan out in a big enough way.

Likewise, there would have been risk involved with the “keep the old core” together approach as well. Like again paying with tomorrow´s money for today´s success and creating a payroll situation not in line with team performance that cannot be handled by at least the current ownership group.

Actually, keeping them and not spending aggressively to improve that team shortterm would have been the “half-assed” and worst effort. Something people are wrongfully blaming Alderson for imho.

Basically, what has happened – in spite of what PR BS he has stated in terms of “not giving up on 2012 / 2013″, blah blah – has been a pretty extensive rebuilding over the past 18 months. To put it differently, over the past 3 off-season, the Mets have spent about 25 million $ total on ALL the free agents they have signed – or about what it cost to sign Luist Castillo to a 4-year deal.

OR….

Those who assume everything Sandy does is CORRECT (no matter how dumb it sounds) and if you just HAVE FAITH there is gold at the end of this Moneyball Rainbow

And those who question moves based on the moves being made and the crap that comes out of Sandy’s mouth when he tries to explain them or explian why there IS no move using MONEY as an excuse for BREATHING!

And people don’t believe me when I mention this.

Profur right now is 19, and if all goes as projected, will be the best SS in baseball in a few years

Just moving Tejada to 2B ( who really is a smart player but doesnt have great range ) + adding a nother really good fielding SS would help the defense out exponentially.

And Profur has a great bat

I do love really good catchers

but we already are deep with that position

Juan Centeno if given the chance, will be a .280 hitter with great defense

I guess Sandy doesnt have aspirations of being a GM somewhere else ( unless Bud says so )

if that was the case, are those 2 guys worth more than Travis? Not a clear cut answer, but it certainly seems that what the Mets did get in total is worth more than that Boston package.

With the wilpons in short-term mode…you never know….

they may put travis, wheeler, harvey in baby strollers with David Wright pushing them along as the cover story for their 2013 Met Yearbook

nothing surprises me with these clowns